Is Mohammad Amir the best bowler in the world?

[backfootpunch]

Let's see your wonderful cricketing knowledge then, amir is ranked 40th in test cricket and 23 in odi cricket, yet he's the best bowler in the world according to you at least gambhir was ranked no. 1 in the world during his prime. I advise you to take your own advise and not make a fool out of yourself, although I think it is already too late for that

Well done you did it again!

Gambhir reaching no 1 as is highest test ranking is probably among the most irrelevant of stats simply because he averages 12 and 22 in Eng and Aus respectively.

As I have said before - tail end esque stats because he couldn't handle quality pace bowling.

As for Amir - ask Virat Kohli, Tendulkar, Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and etc.

 

[silentkiller187]

Theres an argument that he is not even Pakistan's best bowler, i would pick Hassan Ali ahead of him at the moment.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nopes.He is not.There is Starc Rabada Hazlewood even Mohammad Shami and if you count only tests then there is Anderson

lol.

Shami has limited ability, he cant come close to Amir.

I think he will be the best bowler in the world in all formats and isnt far from it.

 

[Rayyman]

I'll go with:

1. Mohammad Amir
2. Mitchell Starc
3. Josh Hazlewood
4. Trent Boult
5. Kagiso Rabada
6. Hasan Ali
7. Mohammad Shami
8. Tim Southee
9. Morne Morkel
10. Chris Woakes

 

[sshakir411]

Bumrah averages 20 in odi cricket and he is ranked 4 while amir is what 40? or 23? I rest my case

Goes to show how over-hyped the Indian top 3 are to have no answer to a 40th or 23rd rank bowler.

 

[AlizeeFan]

lol.

Shami has limited ability, he cant come close to Amir.

I think he will be the best bowler in the world in all formats and isnt far from it.

Shami has more pace, can swing the ball, better at exploiting reverse swing.

 

[Firebreaker]

Mohammad Amir is my favorite bowler after Starc.

He's much better than Shami,Yadav,Hazlewood,Southee,Boult etc

 

[Convict]

He has been affected with injuries which is unfortunate because he's at his very peak but in ODIs I feel Amir can match him or even exceed him. The CT final bowling display was even better than Starc's semi final against the same opposition.

In tests no doubt Starc the superior of the 2 by a long way.

Starc's ODI record is vastly better than Amir. Starc's done it in a world cup as well aka a competition that actually matters.

 

[QalandarFan]

Yep he is in my opinion. Amir and Starc are my two most favorite pacers in the world right now.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

He's the best in the universe.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Well done you did it again!

Gambhir reaching no 1 as is highest test ranking is probably among the most irrelevant of stats simply because he averages 12 and 22 in Eng and Aus respectively.

As I have said before - tail end esque stats because he couldn't handle quality pace bowling.

As for Amir - ask Virat Kohli, Tendulkar, Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and etc.

I told you not to make a fool out of yourself but here you are again, make a fool out of yourself again. Let's see amir averages 48 in australia, 36 in nz, 43 in sri lanka and 38 in uae, and those are not batting averages If gambhir has tailenderesque stats in eng and aus then what would you call amir's stats in 4 different countries that I posted above. lol you are owned again

 

[Pollack]

I told you not to make a fool out of yourself but here you are again, make a fool out of yourself again. Let's see amir averages 48 in australia, 36 in nz, 43 in sri lanka and 38 in uae, and those are not batting averages If gambhir has tailenderesque stats in eng and aus then what would you call amir's stats in 4 different countries that I posted above. lol you are owned again

Savage reply with eye opening stats.
Starc and Morne Morkel (seriously under rated) are better than Amir.

 

[Pollack]

I'll go with:

1. Mohammad Amir
2. Mitchell Starc
3. Josh Hazlewood
4. Trent Boult
5. Kagiso Rabada
6. Hasan Ali
7. Mohammad Shami
8. Tim Southee
9. Morne Morkel
10. Chris Woakes

Amir is not no 1. Starc is. Tim Southee and Woakes shouldn't be in top 10 list. Trent boult too high in the list. More Morkel too low. Hasan has to play a lot more to form any concrete opinion.

 

[Mirpur express]

I rate Hassan Ali above him but he will prime around 2019 & will be devastating

 

[cricketjoshila]

The morons should be able to see that The Messiah is ranked no.1 in ODI's as a batsman, said Messiah was mauled not once but twice in a final along with what is deemed the best LOI top order. Such performances hold a lot of weight compared to bilaterals and he has been decent in ODI's, in that format deserves to be in the conversation

Brian Lara or Jacques Kallis never played a WC final, neither did Waqar Younis or Curtly Ambrose.

While Tom Moody has won 2 WC finals.So has Gautam Gambhir. Rohit Sharma has 2 ICC trophies as well.Darren Sammy has 2 as well.By your logic these players are better than Lara Kallis Waqar Ambrose etc?

Oh btw Kohli already has a CT and a WC winners medal.

 

[CadPakFan]

I think the likes of Starc, Hazlewood, Boult, Rabada and even Hasan are ahead of him at the moment but if he bowls more consistently he will pass them soon.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Goes to show how over-hyped the Indian top 3 are to have no answer to a 40th or 23rd rank bowler.

Balwinder Singh Sandhu, Mohinder Amarnath and Madan Lal ran through the WI team in 1983 finals.The WI team must have been overrated.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Savage reply with eye opening stats.
Starc and Morne Morkel (seriously under rated) are better than Amir.

M Starc averages 71 in UAE, 50 in India, 31 in England and 30 in Australia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

lol.

Shami has limited ability, he cant come close to Amir.

I think he will be the best bowler in the world in all formats and isnt far from it.

Only problem is that Shami has better performances, as the stats show.

 

[sshakir411]

Balwinder Singh Sandhu, Mohinder Amarnath and Madan Lal ran through the WI team in 1983 finals.The WI team must have been overrated.

They were, that's why they didn't win.

If we are to continue with some Indian fans logic..Kohli has to be extremely over hyped. He was pretty clueless against Amir in the Asia cup spell and then got out twice in the CT final. I can only wonder what Mohammad Shami does with him in the nets if he can't even handle a 40th ranked bowler.

 

[shaz619]

Brian Lara or Jacques Kallis never played a WC final, neither did Waqar Younis or Curtly Ambrose.

While Tom Moody has won 2 WC finals.So has Gautam Gambhir. Rohit Sharma has 2 ICC trophies as well.Darren Sammy has 2 as well.By your logic these players are better than Lara Kallis Waqar Ambrose etc?

Oh btw Kohli already has a CT and a WC winners medal.

Exactly, they didn't; yet the Messiah has had multiple opportunities and choked despite that. Getting to a final is dependent on many factors, Kohli has a medal but that's not exactly proportional to how well he performed in that tournament. He has that one good knock in a glorified T20 game during CT 13 so he gets credit where due, but when you're a part of a strong team that gets to the final, and despite so many of these golden opportunities you keep failing it can only lead to one valid conclusion: mental midget / choker.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They were, that's why they didn't win.

If we are to continue with some Indian fans logic..Kohli has to be extremely over hyped. He was pretty clueless against Amir in the Asia cup spell and then got out twice in the CT final. I can only wonder what Mohammad Shami does with him in the nets if he can't even handle a 40th ranked bowler.

So Kohli was clueless in asia cup but still made 49?Highest score in the match.

I wonder what the 2 Ws did with Inzy that he struggled in SA and AUS.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Exactly, they didn't; yet the Messiah has had multiple opportunities and choked despite that. Getting to a final is dependent on many factors, Kohli has a medal but that's not exactly proportional to how well he performed in that tournament. He has that one good knock in a glorified T20 game during CT 13 so he gets credit where due, but when you're a part of a strong team that gets to the final, and despite so many of these golden opportunities you keep failing it can only lead to one valid conclusion: mental midget / choker.

Reached 4 ICC finals.Won 2 of them.Was the best batsman for his team in one of the losing finals.Failed in only one.

Atleast the messiah gives his all, unlike someone who prefers to.....

 

[sshakir411]

So Kohli was clueless in asia cup but still made 49?Highest score in the match.

I wonder what the 2 Ws did with Inzy that he struggled in SA and AUS.

He struggled against Amir..clearly. Amir only gets to bowl 4 overs, in case you didn't know...so Kohli being the highest scorer in the innings doesn't mean he outplayed Amir. He was comprehensively clueless...the entire spell.

Inzi has nothing to do with this thread. You can do better.

 

[shaz619]

Reached 4 ICC finals.Won 2 of them.Was the best batsman for his team in one of the losing finals.Failed in only one.

Atleast the messiah gives his all, unlike someone who prefers to.....

What were his scores in each of those 4 ICC finals and how many match winning knocks did he play in those finals ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

He struggled against Amir..clearly. Amir only gets to bowl 4 overs, in case you didn't know...so Kohli being the highest scorer in the innings doesn't mean he outplayed Amir. He was comprehensively clueless...the entire spell.

Inzi has nothing to do with this thread. You can do better.

Go watch the match Again.Kohli played Amir quite well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What were his scores in each of those 4 ICC finals and how many match winning knocks did he play in those finals ?

Is cricket a individual sport where one man plays the match winning performance?

Afaik he was the best bestman from his side in 2 finals.Played a very crucial knock in another one.Failed in only one final.

 

[sshakir411]

Go watch the match Again.Kohli played Amir quite well.

He got beaten few times and had an edge that went over first slip. Out of the 2 overs Kohli played he only must have played him well for 4 or 5 deliveries.. Why does the best batsman struggle so much against a regular bowler that he got out twice in CT?

 

[shaz619]

Is cricket a individual sport where one man plays the match winning performance?

Afaik he was the best bestman from his side in 2 finals.Played a very crucial knock in another one.Failed in only one final.

You didn't answer any of my questions which were asked first:

What were his scores in each of those 4 ICC finals and how many match winning knocks did he play in those finals ?

Also, let me remind you that it is THE MESSIAH which we are talking about.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] since you're refusing to answer those questions, lets have a look:

2011 ODI WC final vs Sri Lanka in India = 35 runs ( Awful / Useless knock, India win the game no thanks to Kohli)

2013 ODI Champions Trophy final (reduced to 20 overs) vs England in England = 43 (India win the game with a good effort from Kohli)

2014 World T20 vs Sri Lanka in Bangladesh = 77 runs (Decent knock against a weak bowling attack but India still lose but deserves a bit of credit credit)

2017 ODI Champions Trophy Final vs Pakistan in England = 5 runs (Fails in England on a flat pitch where a high calibre fast bowler in Amir manages to get the ball to deviate a little teeny weeny bit)

So what we can see from here is a trend, a trend which suggests that Kohli is fantastic in T20 cricket but still India lost the trophy in 2014, he did not help at all in the 2011 50 over final and also in the 2017 one more recently. He also tends to thrive vs the lankan bowling attack.

There's no denying his T20 prowess but he has failed in two 50 over finals, he has one excellent knock which came in 20 overs during the CT 13 in England; it wasn't that easy to bat and the attack was great to so deserves credit. The 77 vs lanka in the end was useless and the 35 / 5 in ODI finals were god awful.

Not many players will get to play finals in their career as they are dependent on many factors, and when you look at how highly rated Kohli is you'd have expected Kohli to impact a positive outcome in more then 1 of those games. In T20's though he has done well, excellent T20 cricketer. And if it's a flat deck and the opponent is not too strong I'd pick him in the 50 over format final to play for me but if he was up against a quality attack or the conditions were a little tricky then maybe not so much.

So lets go by your theory anyhow, so out of these 4 finals he failed in 2 according to you; that is still GOD AWFUL. You don't get to play many such games in your career and the truly amazing batsman make the best of these limited opportunities, those 2 failures are like 1000000000000 failures when you look at what was lost and what is expected of a player like him from those who rate him so highly

 

[Teshi98]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] since you're refusing to answer those questions, lets have a look:

2011 ODI WC final vs Sri Lanka in India = 35 runs ( Awful / Useless knock, India win the game no thanks to Kohli)

2013 ODI Champions Trophy final (reduced to 20 overs) vs England in England = 43 (India win the game with a good effort from Kohli)

2014 World T20 vs Sri Lanka in Bangladesh = 77 runs (Decent knock against a weak bowling attack but India still lose but deserves a bit of credit credit)

2017 ODI Champions Trophy Final vs Pakistan in England = 5 runs (Fails in England on a flat pitch where a high calibre fast bowler in Amir manages to get the ball to deviate a little teeny weeny bit)

So what we can see from here is a trend, a trend which suggests that Kohli is fantastic in T20 cricket but still India lost the trophy in 2014, he did not help at all in the 2011 50 over final and also in the 2017 one more recently. He also tends to thrive vs the lankan bowling attack.

There's no denying his T20 prowess but he has failed in two 50 over finals, he has one excellent knock which came in 20 overs during the CT 13 in England; it wasn't that easy to bat and the attack was great to so deserves credit. The 77 vs lanka in the end was useless and the 35 / 5 in ODI finals were god awful.

Not many players will get to play finals in their career as they are dependent on many factors, and when you look at how highly rated Kohli is you'd have expected Kohli to impact a positive outcome in more then 1 of those games. In T20's though he has done well, excellent T20 cricketer. And if it's a flat deck and the opponent is not too strong I'd pick him in the 50 over format final to play for me but if he was up against a quality attack or the conditions were a little tricky then maybe not so much.

So lets go by your theory anyhow, so out of these 4 finals he failed in 2 according to you; that is still GOD AWFUL. You don't get to play many such games in your career and the truly amazing batsman make the best of these limited opportunities, those 2 failures are like 1000000000000 failures when you look at what was lost and what is expected of a player like him from those who rate him so highly

Ridiculous post but not shocking as this is what can be expected from a totally biased poster. The knock against sl was not awful by any means except your biased awful and useless standards. If you would have known anything about cricket you would have known that in the context of the match it was a pretty useful innings which stabilized the condition of team and eased the nerves in dressing room after early wickets of sachin and sehwag. His only real failure has been against pak in ct which is more due to law of averages than anything else. He has been hammering them in all icc matches they have played and it was natural for any player to fail once against a given opposition in similar scenario. Even if you don't wish to agree to this point it makes only 1 out of his 4 innings useless 1 decent 1 great and 1 potentially great . So please before commenting absolute rubbish without any logic have a look at what you are writing and try to control the hatred and bias for indian players.

 

[Teshi98]

He got beaten few times and had an edge that went over first slip. Out of the 2 overs Kohli played he only must have played him well for 4 or 5 deliveries.. Why does the best batsman struggle so much against a regular bowler that he got out twice in CT?

So what does getting beaten imply? It is same as batsmen playing a good shot but straight to the fielder. If a batsmen plays 6 great shots without scoring a run what is its use? In the end what matters is how many runs you have scored not the way in which they were scored? In the match amir was bowling very well and in great rhtym. But still could not get his wicket. Does getting out once to a bowler impliea that he struggles against him? Probably then all atgs in world struggle against most of bowlers since they have got out atleast once to huge number of bowlers.

 

[kingusama92]

So lets go by your theory anyhow, so out of these 4 finals he failed in 2 according to you; that is still GOD AWFUL. You don't get to play many such games in your career and the truly amazing batsman make the best of these limited opportunities, those 2 failures are like 1000000000000 failures when you look at what was lost and what is expected of a player like him from those who rate him so highly

Viv Richards in ICC Finals

5
138*
33
21

Richards failed 3/4 times in ICC Finals.

 

[shaz619]

Viv Richards in ICC Finals

5
138*
33
21

Richards failed 3/4 times in ICC Finals.

He won a world cup in one of them, when did kohli do that ?

 

[shaz619]

Ridiculous post but not shocking as this is what can be expected from a totally biased poster. The knock against sl was not awful by any means except your biased awful and useless standards. If you would have known anything about cricket you would have known that in the context of the match it was a pretty useful innings which stabilized the condition of team and eased the nerves in dressing room after early wickets of sachin and sehwag. His only real failure has been against pak in ct which is more due to law of averages than anything else. He has been hammering them in all icc matches they have played and it was natural for any player to fail once against a given opposition in similar scenario. Even if you don't wish to agree to this point it makes only 1 out of his 4 innings useless 1 decent 1 great and 1 potentially great . So please before commenting absolute rubbish without any logic have a look at what you are writing and try to control the hatred and bias for indian players.

Well, the fact that you have resorted to low grade garbage rather then doesn't help your regressive argument. I have provided my pov with facts while your limited mind resorts to accusations of Indian hatred etc not everyone who does not worship a false idol is a hater of Indians, I call it how I see it what's with the sensitivity Anyhow the point stands, Kohli is a great at T20's but awful in 50 over finals or when there is a big obstacle in the form of conditions or quality of a bowling attack thus far

 

[shaz619]

Viv Richards in ICC Finals

5
138*
33
21

Richards failed 3/4 times in ICC Finals.

He won a world cup in one of them, when did kohli do that ?

Unless you rate that Kohli 35 in the 2011 WC as much as Sir Vivs 138* maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] could help you understand the context in which Sir viv made that 138 vs England during a final in terms of the situation, conditions and quality of bowling he faced never mind the fact that it was a legendary knock in itself simply due to the occasion and impact

 

[Teshi98]

Well, the fact that you have resorted to low grade garbage rather then doesn't help your regressive argument. I have provided my pov with facts while your limited mind resorts to accusations of Indian hatred etc not everyone who does not worship a false idol is a hater of Indians, I call it how I see it what's with the sensitivity Anyhow the point stands, Kohli is a great at T20's but awful in 50 over finals or when there is a big obstacle in the form of conditions or quality of a bowling attack thus far

I do not have a problem with someone not acknowledging kohli as great. However when some posters like you try to insult him and even with stats mentioned by you he has 2 great innings i decent innings and only one failure such posts become mandatory to tell you that your extremism will not be tolerated. You may keep calling him awful but it will not change the fact that he is best odi bat of the generation and great comtender to be the goat.
In one day finals (icc tournaments) he has played 3 matches one failure one decent knock and one brilliant quite important in that phase of the game. Now you call viv an atg which he no doubt is but he tok just played one great knock. Kohli alao has won his team the ct final with a clutch knock under testing conditions facing an in form anderson. The quality of bowling attack or conditions do not affect him especially in limited overs.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Guys thread is about Mohammad Amir, not about who is the best LOI batsman

 

[kingusama92]

Unless you rate that Kohli 35 in the 2011 WC as much as Sir Vivs 138* maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] could help you understand the context in which Sir viv made that 138 vs England during a final in terms of the situation, conditions and quality of bowling he faced never mind the fact that it was a legendary knock in itself simply due to the occasion and impact

You changed the criterion on me.

"Truly amazing batsmen make the best of these limited opportunities...those 2 failures are like 1000000000000 failures when you look at what was lost"

Viv failed 3 times. All big ICC tournaments.

That 138* was special and better than anything Kohli has produced in ICC finals but that doesn't change my point.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He got beaten few times and had an edge that went over first slip. Out of the 2 overs Kohli played he only must have played him well for 4 or 5 deliveries.. Why does the best batsman struggle so much against a regular bowler that he got out twice in CT?

On a pitch where Pakistan team scored 85, Kohli getting beaten 1-2 times is struggling.

So Kohli got out to Amir in CT and hence suddenly Amir owns Kohli and Amir is thd best bowler in the world.Lol

 

[backfootpunch]

Starc's ODI record is vastly better than Amir. Starc's done it in a world cup as well aka a competition that actually matters.

Amir's record in ICC tournaments have also been brilliant barring last year's WT20 and played a pivotal role in both finals when they won the CT and WT20 in 09.

Amir unfortunately hasn't played in a WC but I just have the gut feeling that he is a supreme big match player who will bring his A game and deliver Pakistan a WC either in 2019 or 2023 (or maybe even both). I could be wrong but Pakistan will be among the favourites in 2 years time - expect them to reach semis at least.

 

[sshakir411]

So what does getting beaten imply? It is same as batsmen playing a good shot but straight to the fielder. If a batsmen plays 6 great shots without scoring a run what is its use? In the end what matters is how many runs you have scored not the way in which they were scored? In the match amir was bowling very well and in great rhtym. But still could not get his wicket. Does getting out once to a bowler impliea that he struggles against him? Probably then all atgs in world struggle against most of bowlers since they have got out atleast once to huge number of bowlers.

Typical Indian fan. Losing it without even knowing what I was replying to. Indian fans on this thread claimed Amir is a 40th and 23rd ranked LOI bowler and that Bumrah is better...so I replied that it goes to show how over hyped the Indian batting line up is if they get decimated by a 23rd and 40th ranked bowler..

 

[shaz619]

You changed the criterion on me.

"Truly amazing batsmen make the best of these limited opportunities...those 2 failures are like 1000000000000 failures when you look at what was lost"

Viv failed 3 times. All big ICC tournaments.

That 138* was special and better than anything Kohli has produced in ICC finals but that doesn't change my point.

when you play a monumental knock in unique circumstances those previous failures get cancelled out, has Virat Kohli played an impact knock which is of equal measure which resulted in a World Cup win ? if Virat does well in the 2019 WC final and potentially wins to, I won't bother bringing up the fact that he failed in the CT 2017 final and 2011 WC final because he'd have proven himself

 

[shaz619]

I do not have a problem with someone not acknowledging kohli as great. However when some posters like you try to insult him and even with stats mentioned by you he has 2 great innings i decent innings and only one failure such posts become mandatory to tell you that your extremism will not be tolerated. You may keep calling him awful but it will not change the fact that he is best odi bat of the generation and great comtender to be the goat.
In one day finals (icc tournaments) he has played 3 matches one failure one decent knock and one brilliant quite important in that phase of the game. Now you call viv an atg which he no doubt is but he tok just played one great knock. Kohli alao has won his team the ct final with a clutch knock under testing conditions facing an in form anderson. The quality of bowling attack or conditions do not affect him especially in limited overs.

I think you're missing the point here and have taken this discussion very personally, if you respond to the points I mentioned in my posts specifically like others I will get back to you otherwise you're going off on a tangent and lack coherence

 

[backfootpunch]

I told you not to make a fool out of yourself but here you are again, make a fool out of yourself again. Let's see amir averages 48 in australia, 36 in nz, 43 in sri lanka and 38 in uae, and those are not batting averages If gambhir has tailenderesque stats in eng and aus then what would you call amir's stats in 4 different countries that I posted above. lol you are owned again

Your reaction stems from the CT final defeat and sums up the mentality of fans who are still hurting from his brilliance in that battle.

As for his averages the difference is Amir has 10 years on his side and Gambhir's career is over because he got found out against top quality bowlers which is something you can't acknowledge because everyone knows it's true.

Amir has been awesome against highest calibre of batsman especially when the stakes are high, so his numbers will inevitably improve significantly and therefore makes him a better cricketer than what Gambhir ever was!

Only a fool would rate Gambhir more than Amir who failed to deliver in a batting friendly era. Before the CT Ian Bell was asked who was the best bowler in world cricket; his reply - Amir. Alistair Cook was asked who were the 3 toughest bowlers he faced in his career and guess who one of those were?

Gambhir only lasted 58 tests which sums up his career and who has really been owned on the field and on PP

 

[shaz619]

Besides, those finals which Viv played in were in much challenging circumstances compared to this era. Beyond me how those are going to be looked on par with the 2 T20 finals which Virat played in. He has been lucky to play in 2 thus far and flopped despite the fact that one was in his home conditions and the other was on a flat deck although it was unfortunate that he was up against the Pakistani bowling attack, are folk seriously going to berate King Viv for that jobber ? especially when Viv proved himself in the most emphatic way possible.

 

[backfootpunch]

Typical Indian fan. Losing it without even knowing what I was replying to. Indian fans on this thread claimed Amir is a 40th and 23rd ranked LOI bowler and that Bumrah is better...so I replied that it goes to show how over hyped the Indian batting line up is if they get decimated by a 23rd and 40th ranked bowler..

We are also hearing Gambhir was a better batsman than what Amir is as a bowler! I don't know if they are practising their lines on here for stand up comedy or what?

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Your reaction stems from the CT final defeat and sums up the mentality of fans who are still hurting from his brilliance in that battle.

As for his averages the difference is Amir has 10 years on his side and Gambhir's career is over because he got found out against top quality bowlers which is something you can't acknowledge because everyone knows it's true.

Amir has been awesome against highest calibre of batsman especially when the stakes are high, so his numbers will inevitably improve significantly and therefore makes him a better cricketer than what Gambhir ever was!

Only a fool would rate Gambhir more than Amir who failed to deliver in a batting friendly era. Before the CT Ian Bell was asked who was the best bowler in world cricket; his reply - Amir. Alistair Cook was asked who were the 3 toughest bowlers he faced in his career and guess who one of those were?

Gambhir only lasted 58 tests which sums up his career and who has really been owned on the field and on PP

You reaction stems from being intellectually owned by me again and again. You still hurting from the intellectual smackdown I laid on you. If amir has 10 years on his side( if at all he lasts that long ) then talk about amir 10 years later, this thread is about the best bowler RIGHT NOW which amir clearly isn't. Amir must have received a lot of phainty to average above 35, 40 in those countries that I mentioned earlier, you should ask those batsmen about amir If I remember correctly even starc gave a phainty to amir in australia with the bat

 

[Teshi98]

Typical Indian fan. Losing it without even knowing what I was replying to. Indian fans on this thread claimed Amir is a 40th and 23rd ranked LOI bowler and that Bumrah is better...so I replied that it goes to show how over hyped the Indian batting line up is if they get decimated by a 23rd and 40th ranked bowler..

You also could not figure out what my reply meant. Even great batsmen often get out to part timers but this does not mean they are bound to struggle against top 5 ranked bowlers. In a given match any bowler can have great day and win the match with a brilliant performance. However rankings consider the performances over a good period of time rather than a single match or so. So when one bowler has one good day against a quality batting opposition irrespective of his ranking he can do brilliantly . However it neither makes the batting line up oveerated nor does it make the bowler great.

 

[sshakir411]

You also could not figure out what my reply meant. Even great batsmen often get out to part timers but this does not mean they are bound to struggle against top 5 ranked bowlers. In a given match any bowler can have great day and win the match with a brilliant performance. However rankings consider the performances over a good period of time rather than a single match or so. So when one bowler has one good day against a quality batting opposition irrespective of his ranking he can do brilliantly . However it neither makes the batting line up oveerated nor does it make the bowler great.

Cut the ** and get to the point. Are you saying Indian batsmen had an off day against Amir and Bumrah is better?

 

[Teshi98]

We are also hearing Gambhir was a better batsman than what Amir is as a bowler! I don't know if they are practising their lines on here for stand up comedy or what?

Based on what amir has achieved in career so far gambhir is better. Amir may or may not surpass him and just because he has great talent does not mean he will justify it as well. Gambhir in terms of natural talent was behind amir but i do not see a major difference b/w there performances in their respective departments.

 

[Teshi98]

Cut the ** and get to the point. Are you saying Indian batsmen had an off day against Amir and Bumrah is better?

Yes indian batsmen had an off day while amir was bowling superbly.
Bumrah may not be as talentec but he has performed more consistently which is what matters. If amir can get back to the stage where he was shaping up for a legendary career ahead of him before ban he will surpass him. But currently many bowlers including bumrah are better.

 

[backfootpunch]

You reaction stems from being intellectually owned by me again and again. You still hurting from the intellectual smackdown I laid on you. If amir has 10 years on his side( if at all he lasts that long ) then talk about amir 10 years later, this thread is about the best bowler RIGHT NOW which amir clearly isn't. Amir must have received a lot of phainty to average above 35, 40 in those countries that I mentioned earlier, you should ask those batsmen about amir If I remember correctly even starc gave a phainty to amir in australia with the bat

My IQ actually went down reading the most absurd drivel... On current form I believe Amir is back to his best. Whether you believe that is upto you and I respect that ...

BUT

to bring Gambhir into this discussion is where your logic fails and I will keep repeating this since you continue to ignore this:

Gambhir has failed miserably against top quality pace bowling whereas Amir has a track record of outfoxing batsman of the same quality.

Since you haven't brought Gambhir in your last discussion it's a sign of progress and intellectual advancement for you!

 

[backfootpunch]

Based on what amir has achieved in career so far gambhir is better. Amir may or may not surpass him and just because he has great talent does not mean he will justify it as well. Gambhir in terms of natural talent was behind amir but i do not see a major difference b/w there performances in their respective departments.

I think you know he will unless Amir has a career threatening injury or something bizarre - let's be real here. Gambhir didn't last too long. I would take 200 test wickets from Amir @30 average than Gambhir's 9 hundreds in 58 tests @ average 42 in the modern batting friendly era.

 

[sshakir411]

Yes indian batsmen had an off day while amir was bowling superbly.
Bumrah may not be as talentec but he has performed more consistently which is what matters. If amir can get back to the stage where he was shaping up for a legendary career ahead of him before ban he will surpass him. But currently many bowlers including bumrah are better.

Indian batsmen getting out cheaply and looking clueless: oh just an off-day

Pakistani bowler bowling match winning spells: not good enough, need to perform like Bumrah who has NEVER bowled a match winning spell...let alone against the world's best batting side

Indian logic:

 

[babajee]

Ridiculous to compare Bumrah with Amir. One is an ATG and the other is a bowler who is bashing minnows like Sri Lanka. Honestly you'll see in the future Mohammad Amir will leave a legacy like Wasim Akram. He's getting better and better.


HATERS WATCH OUT

 

[New Yorker]

You reaction stems from being intellectually owned by me again and again. You still hurting from the intellectual smackdown I laid on you. If amir has 10 years on his side( if at all he lasts that long ) then talk about amir 10 years later, this thread is about the best bowler RIGHT NOW which amir clearly isn't. Amir must have received a lot of phainty to average above 35, 40 in those countries that I mentioned earlier, you should ask those batsmen about amir If I remember correctly even starc gave a phainty to amir in australia with the bat

i think "intellectual smackdown" may be a contradiction in terms

amir's not even pakistan's best bowler. abbas will outdo him consistently in tests is my wager, as will hasan.

but there are few big match bowlers to match him in the world. that is simply a fact.

name one CT or WC spell to compete with his demolition of indias top three? scoreboard pressure to me just doesn't cut it. india lost the plot within the first ten overs, a period when they are usually content to preserve wickets and play themselves in. there was no pressure score quickly yet.

bumrah has looked great but was put in the shade by quite a few other bowlers during the CT trophy. bhuvi was selected ahead of him for the CT XI

so quite a few people seemed to think he's not india's best bowler either.

 

[Sam99]

Could Hazlewood do what Amir did in CT 2017 final

Idk if Hazlewood can do it or not but one thing hazlewood type of bowler can do is bring a team to semi final or final & even win it for team. Amir can take top 3 wickets on his day but can he do that in whole tournament? i doubt that

 

[Teshi98]

Indian batsmen getting out cheaply and looking clueless: oh just an off-day

Pakistani bowler bowling match winning spells: not good enough, need to perform like Bumrah who has NEVER bowled a match winning spell...let alone against the world's best batting side

Indian logic:

Bowler has one great day. He must be best bowler in the world
Pakistani logic