Cheteshwar Pujara picks Nasser Hussain over Younis Khan as better Test batter at No.3 position

[GudduBadmash]

Bro was mediocre against Australia

Big red flag. No point statpadding on flat pitched if u cannnot deliver against the best team of ur era

Averages 57 against Australia and 50.63 in Australia

Speaking nonsense with zero actual knowledge

 

[Katwalindian]

Hypothetical All Time XIs, hypothetical IPL salaries etc have been far more interesting to them than Pakistan Cricket for a long time now.

Bashing Pujara for his choice is a pleasant escape from harsh realities.

Its cricket thread, not microbiology thread I can post anything I want...don't want your permission.....plus I am neutral cricket fan....

 

[Katwalindian]

Averages 57 against Australia and 50.63 in Australia

Speaking nonsense with zero actual knowledge

No point in arguing they have the powers to show RP singh better than mitchell starc...and we all have to agree.....

 

[NishanKonar]

He missed Aus tour in 2010 in his peak.....he toured in 2016 at age of 40 plus..... India gets lot of Aus tour soo they are bound to perform....... Yk didn't flop in Aus....he didn't get many chances in Aus....... its a difference

He played in Australia in 2004 as well but could do nothing. 2 months later played in India , got flat pitches & scored lots of runs

Like I said he was a flat track bully

 

[NishanKonar]

I think Pakistani fans need to understand that players get judged by ur performances against the best of ur era. Like West Indies in 80s , Ausralia in 90s & 2000s , South Africa of early 2010s

If u fail to deliver against the best of ur era , no amount of stats can help

Younis could not deliver against Australia & South Africa. End of the debate

 

[volcyz]

Dravid was mediocre in Australia & South Africa. Big red flag

Sachin had 6 test tons in Australia , VVS had 4.

U cannot be great if u dont deliver against the best team of ur era ( Australia in that era )

Only time Dravid was effective in Aus, was when McGrath and Warne were both out.
Stuart Magill was the lead spinner, while pace attack had a downhill in Jason Gillespie, Nathan Bracken, Andy Bichel and Brad Williams lol.
Brett Lee didn’t play till 3rd test and wasn’t fully fit really. It was a series where Ganguly who was super exposed to short pitched bowling at the time, made quite a bit of runs due to the flat pitches.

 

[Katwalindian]

He played in Australia in 2004 as well but could do nothing. 2 months later played in India , got flat pitches & scored lots of runs

Like I said he was a flat track bully

He scored 270 runs in 3 tests....hardly a flop

 

[Katwalindian]

I think Pakistani fans need to understand that players get judged by ur performances against the best of ur era. Like West Indies in 80s , Ausralia in 90s & 2000s , South Africa of early 2010s

If u fail to deliver against the best of ur era , no amount of stats can help

Younis could not deliver against Australia & South Africa. End of the debate

He performed against SA in 2007, 2010 and 2013....when did he flop....I don't understand....

 

[NishanKonar]

He scored 270 runs in 3 tests....hardly a flop

He was not a flop but not a great either

Ejaz Ahmed had better performances in Australia

A player should produce high impact performances to be categorised as a great

 

[Katwalindian]

I think Pakistani fans need to understand that players get judged by ur performances against the best of ur era. Like West Indies in 80s , Ausralia in 90s & 2000s , South Africa of early 2010s

If u fail to deliver against the best of ur era , no amount of stats can help

Younis could not deliver against Australia & South Africa. End of the debate

Younis khan averages 47 in SA tour 2007
He scored 207 runs in 4 innings of 3 tests during 2013 tour......

 

[NishanKonar]

Only time Dravid was effective in Aus, was when McGrath and Warne were both out.
Stuart Magill was the lead spinner, while pace attack had a downhill in Jason Gillespie, Nathan Bracken, Andy Bichel and Brad Williams lol.
Brett Lee didn’t play till 3rd test and wasn’t fully fit really. It was a series where Ganguly who was super exposed to short pitched bowling at the time, made quite a bit of runs due to the flat pitches.

Yes. Even that 233 at Adelaide came on a flat pitch. Terrific innings under pressure but not in same category as Pujara in 2021

 

[Katwalindian]

Yes. Even that 233 at Adelaide came on a flat pitch. Terrific innings under pressure but not in same category as Pujara in 2021

So dravid flop in Australia soo suddenly pujara is better....Cricket is not only played in Australia....pujara was joker in NZ and Eng........Ricky ponting was joker in India and srilanka.......not one batsman exist who have full 100 percent accurate stars soo stop your non sense

 

[NishanKonar]

Younis khan averages 47 in SA tour 2007
He scored 207 runs in 4 innings of 3 tests during 2013 tour......

This is average

A great is someone like Pujara scoring 3 test tons against Australia in 2018 or top scoring in 2021 , saving test at Sydney on Day 5 & setting up win at Gabba

Not scoring a few 50s here & there

 

[NishanKonar]

So dravid flop in Australia soo suddenly pujara is better....Cricket is not only played in Australia....pujara was joker in NZ and Eng........Ricky ponting was joker in India and srilanka.......not one batsman exist who have full 100 percent accurate stars soo stop your non sense

Pujara was better than Dravid in Australia

 

[Katwalindian]

This is average

A great is someone like Pujara scoring 3 test tons against Australia in 1018 or top scoring in 2021 , saving test at Sydney on Day 5 & setting up win at Gabba

Not scoring a few 50s here & there

He only set up or win because he played for better test team.....

 

[GudduBadmash]

Averages 57 against Australia and 50.63 in Australia

Speaking nonsense with zero actual knowledge

Conveniently ignored

 

[NishanKonar]

So dravid flop in Australia soo suddenly pujara is better....Cricket is not only played in Australia....pujara was joker in NZ and Eng........Ricky ponting was joker in India and srilanka.......not one batsman exist who have full 100 percent accurate stars soo stop your non sense

Ponting's poor record in India is definitely a big red flag in his legacy

 

[Katwalindian]

Pujara was better than Dravid in Australia

This is average

A great is someone like Pujara scoring 3 test tons against Australia in 2018 or top scoring in 2021 , saving test at Sydney on Day 5 & setting up win at Gabba

Not scoring a few 50s here & there

This is not only average....he helped pakistan win test in South africa with 4th innings 70 odd.....

 

[NishanKonar]

Conveniently ignored

Ignored bcoz none of those runs had any impact

 

[Katwalindian]

Ponting's poor record in India is definitely a big red flag in his legacy

Then every batsmen had red flags......... you have to give credit to younis khan for bashing murali, harbhajan, kumble etc......

 

[NishanKonar]

Then every batsmen had red flags......... you have to give credit to younis khan for bashing murali, harbhajan, kumble etc......

There are loads of batters who bashed Murali Harbhajan Kumble

Just like Sehwah bashed Akhtar , Saqlain , Sami for fun

How does it matter

Also Younis bashed Kumble Harbhajan on flat pitches. Can u show 1 innings on a square turner against Harbhajan & Kumble. He was lucky to get roads whem he played India

 

[NishanKonar]

McGrath rated Graham Thorpe as one of his Top 5 batters

Now look at Thorpe's stats. Nowhere close to Younis & Yousuf

So why McGrath mentioned Thorpe ?

For that u need to understand cricket beyond stats & numbers

 

[Katwalindian]

Ignored bcoz none of those runs had any impact

There are loads of batters who bashed Murali Harbhajan Kumble

Just like Sehwah bashed Akhtar , Saqlain , Sami for fun

How does it matter

Also Younis bashed Kumble Harbhajan on flat pitches. Can u show 1 innings on a square turner against Harbhajan & Kumble. He was lucky to get roads whem he played India

He scored match winning double hundred in india...... its not draw match...... plus put current induan test batsmen on that same pitch and they will be fold like clowns on that same pitch....its looked flat because he was great against spin.............

 

[NishanKonar]

He scored match winning double hundred in india...... its not draw match...... plus put current induan test batsmen on that same pitch and they will be fold like clowns on that same pitch....its looked flat because he was great against spin.............

Of course he did. Inzy scored a big hundred as well and Sehwag scored a double ton as well

That pitch was very flat on Day 1,2,3

 

[hassan918]

He has his own opinion but if he is a selector of a national side and he has to pick either Younis or Nasser to a test series, he is likely to pick Younis Khan ahead of Nasser Hussain in most conditions.

 

[Ab Fan]

Top 5 Pakistani test batsman of all time:-

1. Javed Miandad
2. Younis Khan
3. Inzamam ul haq
4. Mohammad Yousuf
5. Saeed Anwar

I apologise for missing Hanif Mohammad but if I have to put him, he will be at 4 just below Inzy but above Yousuf and Anwar.

 

[Katwalindian]

Top 5 Pakistani test batsman of all time:-

1. Javed Miandad
2. Younis Khan
3. Inzamam ul haq
4. Mohammad Yousuf
5. Saeed Anwar

I apologise for missing Hanif Mohammad but if I have to put him, he will be at 4 just below Inzy but above Yousuf and Anwar.

Zaheer abbas? Misbah?

 

[Ab Fan]

Zaheer abbas? Misbah?

Zaheer Abbas would be next to follow and then you have the likes of Majid Khan and Mushtaq Mohammad as well. Misbah and Azhar Ali are also there but let’s not forget Ijaz Ahmed or Saleem Malik either.

Babar is behind all of these at this point due to lack of conversion into big scores.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Pujara was a great Test batter. Better than Azhar and Sharma

 

[Local.Dada]

Pujara picked Younis Khan over himself because maybe he was a respected senior during his time. He probably picked Naseer Hussain due to nostalgia factor. If this is the only thing to outrage about for the day , then things are looking up .

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I think Mohammad Yousuf was better than YK in terms of techniques.

Yousuf's cover drives were elegant.

Anyway, both are legends.

Yousaf was a next level batter

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pujara was a great Test batter. Better than Azhar and Sharma

Azharudin or Azhar ali?

 

[Major]

Why do Pakistanis get so insecure about these hypothetical all time XIs and Cricinfo Tournament XIs? What difference does it make it to their cricket that a random retired Indian player hasn't picked their player in his XI?

This is what happens when your team has become mediocre in all facets and the only thing that gets your juices flowing is moaning about the so-called "bias" of a random Indian player who is just giving out his opinion.

Because posters here are a niche group of fans that are passionate about cricket. Sports fans that are passionate, do read into stuff that is written by pundits and writers.

Sports articles, scouting reports, player hall of fame are taken very seriously by sports fan all over the world. This is why you would see that for test matches in England, the commentary is valued soo much that ear pieces are given to listen to it in the stadium. Guys like Holding and a select group of commentators are invited to Test in England to talk about the game, because passionate cricket fans value their opinion and analysis.

Cricinfo is not some local small cricket website. Its part of ESPN now, and the no.1 go to cricket website. So for them to post their tournament 11 and show their biasness, that reflects poorly and how bad their panelists are.

Just because those so called pundits are indians, you just don want them to be scrutinized and want to brush this under the carpet. Maybe, call them out for giving really poor analysis and opinions.

 

[NishanKonar]

Pujara was a great Test batter. Better than Azhar and Sharma

Pujara's entire legacy is bcoz of those 2 BGTs in Australia. Did precious little outside of that

 

[sweep_shot]

Because posters here are a niche group of fans that are passionate about cricket. Sports fans that are passionate, do read into stuff that is written by pundits and writers.

Sports articles, scouting reports, player hall of fame are taken very seriously by sports fan all over the world. This is why you would see that for test matches in England, the commentary is valued soo much that ear pieces are given to listen to it in the stadium. Guys like Holding and a select group of commentators are invited to Test in England to talk about the game, because passionate cricket fans value their opinion and analysis.

Cricinfo is not some local small cricket website. Its part of ESPN now, and the no.1 go to cricket website. So for them to post their tournament 11 and show their biasness, that reflects poorly and how bad their panelists are.

Just because those so called pundits are indians, you just don want them to be scrutinized and want to brush this under the carpet. Maybe, call them out for giving really poor analysis and opinions.

Great post. Fully agree.

Cricinfo is a farce currently.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Azharudin or Azhar ali?

Azhar Ali

 

[aarizzler720]

Azhar Ali

Azharuddin tbf would be kinda close with both too

 

[Mesozoic]

Because posters here are a niche group of fans that are passionate about cricket. Sports fans that are passionate, do read into stuff that is written by pundits and writers.

Sports articles, scouting reports, player hall of fame are taken very seriously by sports fan all over the world. This is why you would see that for test matches in England, the commentary is valued soo much that ear pieces are given to listen to it in the stadium. Guys like Holding and a select group of commentators are invited to Test in England to talk about the game, because passionate cricket fans value their opinion and analysis.

Cricinfo is not some local small cricket website. Its part of ESPN now, and the no.1 go to cricket website. So for them to post their tournament 11 and show their biasness, that reflects poorly and how bad their panelists are.

Just because those so called pundits are indians, you just don want them to be scrutinized and want to brush this under the carpet. Maybe, call them out for giving really poor analysis and opinions.

Nah...even casual Pak fans get triggered so easily on social media when they feel undone by these XIs. Just go look at the reactions to cricinfo post of the tournament XI and check the comments of Pakistanis.

Everyone saw the celebrations Pakistanis had in 2021 when Shaheen, Babar and Rizwan won those ICC awards. You guys give way too much importance to nonsense stuff

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nah...even casual Pak fans get triggered so easily on social media when they feel undone by these XIs. Just go look at the reactions to cricinfo post of the tournament XI and check the comments of Pakistanis.

Everyone saw the celebrations Pakistanis had in 2021 when Shaheen, Babar and Rizwan won those ICC awards. You guys give way too much importance to nonsense stuff

They need a Gambhir like coach lol. These personal glory merchants will be put to task