Is Mohammad Shami the best reverse swing bowler in the world?

[Xoib]

Amazing spell of classic reverse swing bowling I know its just one match but I have not seen such a spell of reverse since Shoaib retired.

 

[90MPH]

No, it's just his first match.

Good bowling though, seems to have lots of potential especially with the old ball.

 

[Xoib]

Anderson is the only fast bowler who consistently reverses the ball but does not bowl reverse spells where he can run through sides.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Re: Mohd Shami best reverse swing bowler in the world?



Hate will flow now.

Why OP Why?

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Now people will start abusing Shami/ call this performance a fluke because of this thread

 

[Xoib]

its early days but we could be seeing start of an indian domination era ala windies and Aus. The pace bowling was their only weakness but they seem to be sorting that out aswell.

 

[Mamoon]

Anderson and Starc are both better considerably. Shami can be considered a world class reverse swing exponent if he keeps this up.

Indian bowlers tend to fade away easily but I think he and B Kumar will break the trend.

 

[Varun]

its early days but we could be seeing start of an indian domination era ala windies and Aus. The pace bowling was their only weakness but they seem to be sorting that out aswell.

You've got your tongue firmly in cheek right?

 

[90MPH]

^^ B.Kumar is already fading away. Without swing he looks quite average.

Shami is better because he moves the ball of the seam, not just in the air.

But still too early anyway now, lets see after 2 years.

 

[London_Lahori]

Who's the zipper in the team?

 

[Mamoon]

^^ B.Kumar is already fading away. Without swing he looks quite average.

Shami is better because he moves the ball of the seam, not just in the air.

But still too early anyway now, lets see after 2 years.

Well he is still a very fine bowler. Not once got properly hammered in the recent ODI series which is an achievement. He has very good line and length.

 

[Xoib]

You've got your tongue firmly in cheek right?

yeah very very early days but admit it your only weakness has been your pace bowling but with Bhuvi, Shami and Yadav you have 3 genuine prospects capable of averaging 25-28 in the long run they can fade away like countless others before them but till they are performing you have to count them as prospects.

 

[GujjarSher]

Way too early to call him the best, but the potential is there. We have seen this story too many times with Indian fast bowlers though: brilliant in first few matches and then randomly disappear and are never the same again for whatever reason. Guys like Irfan Pathan, Munaf Patel, Varun Aaron, Umesh Yadav, Nehra, Kumars and so many others. So in essence to Indian fans it's normal to be excited about a new talent, but the trend has not been kind to you guys when it comes to fast bowling.

 

[Sandeep]

its early days but we could be seeing start of an indian domination era ala windies and Aus. The pace bowling was their only weakness but they seem to be sorting that out aswell.

Please tell me you're kidding )

 

[Kianig89]

Too early to say could be a one test wonder i think Eden is his home ground as well

 

[Xoib]

^^ B.Kumar is already fading away. Without swing he looks quite average.

Shami is better because he moves the ball of the seam, not just in the air.

But still too early anyway now, lets see after 2 years.

will be India's go to man in foreign conditions in India he does not even has to play once Yadav is fit him and Shami are enough to do the pace bowling work.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Re: Mohd Shami best reverse swing bowler in the world?

Way too early to call him the best, but the potential is there. We have seen this story too many times with Indian fast bowlers though: brilliant in first few matches and then randomly disappear and are never the same again for whatever reason. Guys like Irfan Pathan, Munaf Patel, Varun Aaron, Umesh Yadav, Nehra, Kumars and so many others. So in essence to Indian fans it's normal to be excited about a new talent, but the trend has not been kind to you guys when it comes to fast bowling.

Aaron and yadav havent faded away.

 

[amlafan79]

i know this is probably troll thread but its impressive debut none the less where none of the other fast bowlers playing did anything special ..

 

[Saurav]

lol thats OTT

but hes good.lets see how he does v better batsmen

 

[Cricfan4eva]

yeah very very early days but admit it your only weakness has been your pace bowling but with Bhuvi, Shami and Yadav you have 3 genuine prospects capable of averaging 25-28 in the long run they can fade away like countless others before them but till they are performing you have to count them as prospects.

Everyone agrees with this but I guess the thread title and your post suggesting India will dominate the world is nothing but exaggerated assumption.

 

[Xoib]

i know this is probably troll thread but its impressive debut none the less where none of the other fast bowlers playing did anything special ..

check my history I never create troll threads since Shoaib's retirement list down one reverse swinging spell that blew away a side in an hour apart from one Steyn spell vs India you will struggle to list any till today.

 

[leatherface58]

Re: Mohd Shami best reverse swing bowler in the world?

Steyn is underrated reverse swing bowler. Ran through India at their peak in India.

 

[in_cutter]

Mohd Shami best reverse swing bowler in the world?

Any highlights?

 

[Electron]

No, the sample size is too small. This kind of sample size counts only in "Junaid owns Kohli" threads..

 

[Xoib]

No, the sample size is too small. This kind of sample size counts only in "Junaid owns Kohli" threads..

I guess oyu are right maybe jumping the gun on my part but seriously have not seen such lethal reverse swing since Pakistani greats left the scene.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Umesh and Aaron are injured didn't fade away

 

[cricketjoshila]

Re: Mohd Shami best reverse swing bowler in the world?

Steyn is underrated reverse swing bowler. Ran through India at their peak in India.

I suggest you look at the batting line up of that test and you will know why that spell is a bit overrated.

 

[Xoib]

I suggest you look at the batting line up of that test and you will know why that spell is a bit overrated.

even Shami has done it against a mediocre batting line up but the way he bowled he would have run through mose sides same with Steyn it was a quality spell regardless of the batting line up.

 

[Sandeep]

I suggest you look at the batting line up of that test and you will know why that spell is a bit overrated.

+1. That team was India's second string. That was the match where Rohit was to debut, but got injured unfortunately. Saha had to play as a specialist batsman

 

[Extreme Pace]

No Faff Du Pleiss is

 

[Saurav]

+1. That team was India's second string. That was the match where Rohit was to debut, but got injured unfortunately. Saha had to play as a specialist batsman

we still had Sehwag,Sachin,Laxman,no?

 

[Spidy201]

Who's the zipper in the team?

looking at the big reverse swing he was getting some one must be smelling the ball

 

[cricketjoshila]

Re: Mohd Shami best reverse swing bowler in the world?

even Shami has done it against a mediocre batting line up but the way he bowled he would have run through mose sides same with Steyn it was a quality spell regardless of the batting line up.

I was replying to the fact that he said Steyn ran through at their peak.I was pojnting out that that that batting line up was a B team.

 

[amax]

very good potential.Potential wise, the bowlers who move the ball late at pace are>>>>>who swing it straight out of hand at medium pace, so the comparison with Bhuvi is a disservice to his potential . Good thing was that on average he was quick 86mph average is genuine pace in a test match.

 

[amlafan79]

check my history I never create troll threads since Shoaib's retirement list down one reverse swinging spell that blew away a side in an hour apart from one Steyn spell vs India you will struggle to list any till today.

i stopped coming to this site after some incidents and trolling by others so sorry if you think i am accusing you or anything just had bad history here

 

[Buffet]

One of the best reverse swing spells in recent times. He was reversing it both ways at decent pace. Let him do it at least in next test and some more test matches. I haven't seen this kid using the new ball well though but he has used the old ball as good as anyone in recent times.

Reminded me how much fun it was to watch 2 Ws doing it at even higher pace. Waqar was more of a yorker length. Some bowlers like Anderson etc have done it recently but kid literally ran through the side. Steyn ran through Indian side once recently using reverse swing. WI is a bit weak batting unit though but still good to see some one reversing it at high pace and running through a side.

 

[Xoib]

One of the best reverse swing spells in recent times. He was reversing it both ways at decent pace. Let him do it at least in next test and some more test matches.

I haven't seen this kid using the new ball well though but he has used the old ball as good as anyone in recent times.

yup and that will determine whether he will average 30 or 25 in test cricket. New bll skills are more vital unless your name is Waqar Younis at your peak you will not get this shape on the ball every game with the old ball its imperative his new ball skills are top notch.

 

[Moh@n]

even Shami has done it against a mediocre batting line up but the way he bowled he would have run through mose sides same with Steyn it was a quality spell regardless of the batting line up.

Gayle, Chanderpaul, Bravo, Samuels..

Somehow this does not look like a mediocre batting line up to me.

 

[Xoib]

Gayle, Chanderpaul, Bravo, Samuels..

Somehow this does not look like a mediocre batting line up to me.

Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir and Dhoni does not look half bad either infact looks even better.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Was more impressed by the seam movement he got. And at a decent pace too.

 

[in_cutter]

Mohd Shami best reverse swing bowler in the world?

See, reverse swing is achievable without 'tampering' with the ball...

 

[battler]

Would have given shami the MOM instead of rohit.

 

[pakistani pride]

Lol one match...

 

[Xoib]

See, reverse swing is achievable without 'tampering' with the ball...

tell this to countless Indians who take a dig at former Pakistani greats its a bowling art that can be developed as Shami seems to have done.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He needs to keep it a bit tighter as well. Economy rate is a bit too high. Better batting lineups would pose a much tougher challenge

 

[cricwiz]

Let the guy atleast complete a dozen Test matches.. Congratulations to Shami for an outstanding debut. The cricket world needs good fast bowlers...

 

[cricwiz]

He needs to keep it a bit tighter as well. Economy rate is a bit too high. Better batting lineups would pose a much tougher challenge

This is where I fear for the bowler. And the reason why I said that give him atleast a dozen matches before commenting. Reverse swing bowlers leak alot of runs, because they have to bowl fuller... So they overpitch alot.

Good batsmen make use of this, and put the bowler underpressure to force him change h is length... Success of Shami in the long run will depend on how much Dhoni encourages him. If he is given freedom to remain aggressive, irrespective of leaking runs he can be successful..

 

[Buffet]

See, reverse swing is achievable without 'tampering' with the ball...

Yaah, but it takes bit more time without tampering. Faf was trying to make it happen bit quicker.

 

[loves_cricket]

Way too early to call him the best, but the potential is there. We have seen this story too many times with Indian fast bowlers though: brilliant in first few matches and then randomly disappear and are never the same again for whatever reason. Guys like Irfan Pathan, Munaf Patel, Varun Aaron, Umesh Yadav, Nehra, Kumars and so many others. So in essence to Indian fans it's normal to be excited about a new talent, but the trend has not been kind to you guys when it comes to fast bowling.

OP is not Indian, read before you post.
We are not exited, but happy for a newcomer.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This is where I fear for the bowler. And the reason why I said that give him atleast a dozen matches before commenting. Reverse swing bowlers leak alot of runs, because they have to bowl fuller... So they overpitch alot.

Good batsmen make use of this, and put the bowler underpressure to force him change h is length... Success of Shami in the long run will depend on how much Dhoni encourages him. If he is given freedom to remain aggressive, irrespective of leaking runs he can be successful..

Wasim and Imran had excellent economy rates despite being bowlers of reverse swing. Unless Shami Ahmed is the next Waqar he has to bowl fewer boundary-balls.

 

[gabbarsingh]

With Umesh, Shami capable of getting reverse swing at good pace and Zaheer Khan with his experience and skill and Bhuvi with his capability of bowling with the new ball, we are seeing a very good seam attack.

 

[Buffet]

I think it's futile to compare this kid with any previous greats of reverse swing. They were doing it at higher pace. Also, this reverse swing won't help when playing outside Asia that much. It's just one aspect but it's good to see.

 

[KIC]

Good bowling. Excited. But it is a bit too early to start calling him the best and stuff. The good thing is that he plays his next match at Wankhade ...which should also provide some assistance.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think it's futile to compare this kid with any previous greats of reverse swing. They were doing it at higher pace. Also, this reverse swing won't help when playing outside Asia that much. It's just one aspect but it's good to see.

Batsmen also play reverse swing better these days. Shami hs to improve his new ball skills and his accuracy to be really successful against top teams in foreign conditions.

 

[imshally81]

Jinx Alert

 

[Amjid Javed]

Am surprised some Indian fans havent proclaimed him as greatest fast bowler in history of the game yet

 

[ST1998]

Would have given shami the MOM instead of rohit.

This.

Would be nice if bowlers too get some rewards for their hard work once in a while. If anything, Ashwin deserved it more than Rohit did.

 

[Saqs]

Re: Mohd Shami best reverse swing bowler in the world?

Nice jinx thread. I like it.

 

[loves_cricket]

Am surprised some Indian fans havent proclaimed him as greatest fast bowler in history of the game yet

Why is that, He had a good start & we are happy for him. TBH WI is not the best in world.
We Indians are not that stupid! Really!
But I had seen many players here proclaimed next Bradmen etc.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Great start, can he continue doing it consistently and against better batting line ups? Has got the skills, upto him to keep working on his game, his fitness and translate all the talent into good performances for the side

 

[Bushroda]

Way too early to call him the best, but the potential is there. We have seen this story too many times with Indian fast bowlers though: brilliant in first few matches and then randomly disappear and are never the same again for whatever reason. Guys like Irfan Pathan, Munaf Patel, Varun Aaron, Umesh Yadav, Nehra, Kumars and so many others. So in essence to Indian fans it's normal to be excited about a new talent, but the trend has not been kind to you guys when it comes to fast bowling.

Absolutely true!! Reason for this is same reason why Umar has not been able to become World Class after showing so much of promise. No role model to look upto. No proper mentor to guide.

 

[Jo_Don]

See, reverse swing is achievable without getting caught 'tampering' with the ball...

FTFY

Anyway this thread is bump-worthy

 

[Singham]

very good potential.Potential wise, the bowlers who move the ball late at pace are>>>>>who swing it straight out of hand at medium pace, so the comparison with Bhuvi is a disservice to his potential . Good thing was that on average he was quick 86mph average is genuine pace in a test match.

That's spot on dude. He, umesh and varun can seriously make a fantastic bowling combo. Bhuvi is good in odi matches because he can be asked to bowl 7 or 8 overs in one spell.

 

[Stark]

Early days and rubbish thread really.

He may or may not become a good exponent of the swing bowling, but this too early. It was a very good spell indeed but it is his debut match and such a thread along with a post saying this is the start of domination is nothing but a troll in the end.

tell this to countless Indians who take a dig at former Pakistani greats its a bowling art that can be developed as Shami seems to have done.

When ex pakistani players themselves blow the lid off the tampering practice, then there is the ovalgate as well.. How can you expect people not to think along those lines?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Re: Mohd Shami best reverse swing bowler in the world?

[youtube]u95-AP2QONc[/youtube]

His 9 wickets

 

[samplepiece]

A very good spell. The pitch was so abrasive that no zippers were needed for roughing up the ball. Mumbai can be abrasive as well.

 

[IamIndian]

South Africa, please prepare green tops for the test series against India, with the likes of Bhuvi, Shami, Umesh, Aaron, Ishant, Zaheer, Mohit, shukla available for selection, India have a better chance of winning the series for the first time in SA (I HOPE!)

 

[samplepiece]

South Africa, please prepare green tops for the test series against India, with the likes of Bhuvi, Shami, Umesh, Aaron, Ishant, Zaheer, Mohit, shukla available for selection, India have a better chance of winning the series for the first time in SA (I HOPE!)

A truly delusional post bro!

 

[truefan]

Sami is not even the best reverse swing bowler in India,dude grow up

 

[Bewal Express]

It wont be long before people get suspicious of his reverse swing. I am a sceptic of reverse of swing, as i always believe that something dodgy has gone on with the ball.

 

[IamIndian]

A truly delusional post bro!

I know, still I Hope!

 

[zabalestmsm]

Well can be if he repeats such performances with consistently taking wickets! But for now calling him the best on just one match can be a bit unfair to others!

 

[OZGOD]

Let's see how he goes after everyone has had a good look at him. They all thought Ishant was the best ever Indian fast bowler ever when he was in OZ too.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Could somebody please post the greatest available highlights of this performance and the Test match in general?

 

[imranq]

I am pretty sure this will be one of those threads that will still keep on going 5 yrs from now ... This was just his first game and that too against a fragile West Indies batting lineup.

 

[mystical man]

Good Prospect and we have to see if he will go down the drain like other talented quicks from India

 

[cricketjoshila]

Could somebody please post the greatest available highlights of this performance and the Test match in general?

[utube]u95-AP2QONc[/utube]

His 9 wickets

 

[mystical man]

[utube]u95-AP2QONc[/utube]

His 9 wickets

this was wicked wowww

 

[Robbie]

One of the best spell i have seen from an indian fast bowler.

 

[Heisenberg]

Good luck to the guy.