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Is Mustafizur Rahman more talented than Mohammad Amir was?

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Both are young left hand seamers but different in bowling styles. Amir was more quicker where as Mustazifur relies on impeccable line and length, deceptive change of pace.
Mustazifur had a fantastic start to his career. 5fer on debut, 6fer on next game, troubled SA in ODIs and now almost an hatrick in debut test. With an impressive avg of 12 in ODIs, he is one bowler to watch out for. And at this stage in terms of stats he is way ahead than Amir. Please note I know the sample size is small, so I am not going much into stats.
But in terms of sheer talent, do you think Mustafizur Rehman is simply more skillful and talented than Amir??

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I would not compare between them till Mustafizur plays 9 more odis and 13 more tests. :P
 
No question. Amir's stats were average even after playing lots of matches in England and Australia. Mustafizur has only played top opposition so far and that too on unfriendly wickets for seamers.

He is just b.kumar type bowler will be medicore as time passess
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Yeah let me know when Bhuvi clocks 143 kph in the subcontinent. Mustafizur will probably bowl 145+ in Aus conditions.
 
No question. Amir's stats were average even after playing lots of matches in England and Australia. Mustafizur has only played top opposition so far and that too on unfriendly wickets for seamers.
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:))

Talk about blinkers on!
 
Mustafizur has everything. On slow wickets he can use his cutters to deadly effect and in seam-friendly conditions his pace and accuracy will get him wickets by the bucket-loads. Can't wait to see him bowl outside the subcontinent.
 
too early to say.
but this certainly outrage a few fans
 
Can't wait for Pakistani fans' reactions when the fixer returns and completely fails to live up to the hype :))
 
For all the hype surrounding Amir , he had a very average record in Test matches inspite of bowling outside the SC in the most bowling friendly conditions.

Now if he turns out to be a flop bowler after his return , his fanboys would blame his absence from Competitive Cricket for 5 years as the reason behind his decline.
 
Bowling like this on SC pitches - fabulous

speaking of talent, i think amir had more swing but Mustafizur has a lethal cutter and good + length
 
There's a equal chance of Mustazafir being a flop as it is of Amir returning and not living up to the hype.

It's pretty funny though, Dios is "that" typical fan I've being bang on about.
 
Dios said:
Mustafizur has everything. On slow wickets he can use his cutters to deadly effect and in seam-friendly conditions his pace and accuracy will get him wickets by the bucket-loads. Can't wait to see him bowl outside the subcontinent.
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Yes Mustafiz is better than (Wasim+Waqar+Steyn+Mcgrath+Anderson...............>Whole World)
Amir is worse than Soymo Sarkar!!!
Happy!!!!!
 
Statsman said:
I was thinking of making it but realized people might start comparing me with India TV/ Daily Mail. :P
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Haha, you already have few in your CV.

Anyways, forget those people buddy. Don't shy away from such stuff. I was just pulling your leg in the other thread :asif

Besides, no one minds a 'phaphe kutni' on PP :akhtar

And you are lucky enough to get such ideas. I never get them :(
 
At present Mustafiz looks better, but Aamer was much younger and had effortless pace so tough to choose between the two
 
Well he hasn't played enough matches yet. In fact neither has Aamir but it's nice that people rate him highly enough to compare their best new bowlers to him. I would've preferred 'Is Mustazifur Rehman more talented than Wasim Akram was?' thread hehe.
 
People comparing Mustafiz to trundlers like Bhuvan are biased, he has decent pace, new ball swing, old ball swing and cutters

In tests though Mustafiz will have to prove himself, In ODIs he will always be successful with variations that he posesses
 
Executioner said:
Bowling like this on SC pitches - fabulous

speaking of talent, i think amir had more swing but Mustafizur has a lethal cutter and good + length
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Infact Amir struggled to swing the ball before England tour. Amir had raw pace, he was 10kph faster than Mustafiz at younger age, and was a work in progress
 
I urge my fellow PPrs to bookmark this thread. This is going to be a legendary thread in about a years time and it will come back to bite a lot of people.
 
Let me compare the two

Mustafiz has immaculate control, decent pace along with new and old ball skills @ 19

Amir had decent control, express pace (I have seen him clock 155kph @ 17 yrs of age) along with decent new and old ball skills @ 17

Both are blessed with talent, but obviously talent can take you till a certain point after that you need to do lot more to become a great cricketer
 
What a stupid thread. Offourse mustafizur is way better and how can you compare a future ATG with Amir.
 
You think Mustafiz is good now?

Just wait until the

"Umar Akmal vs Mustafiz comparison thread"
 
Stallion__ said:
Haha, you already have few in your CV.

Anyways, forget those people buddy. Don't shy away from such stuff. I was just pulling your leg in the other thread :asif

Besides, no one minds a 'phaphe kutni' on PP :akhtar

And you are lucky enough to get such ideas. I never get them :(
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Haha, you'll get them soon once you spend some more time on PP.

Ps. I still have the Hashim Amla Vs Virat Kohli thread that runs into 15 pages :P
 
Dios said:
Can't wait for Pakistani fans' reactions when the fixer returns and completely fails to live up to the hype :))
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Hopefully the ICC or any other national authorities won't put up any barriers to his return and then we can find out.
 
Dios said:
Can't wait for Pakistani fans' reactions when the fixer returns and completely fails to live up to the hype :))
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Even if he fails, it wont take away the talent he posessed at just 17 yrs of age

90 mph bowler at 17 is a gr8 talent even if he doesnt set the world alight straight away
 
What a comparison? Simply speechless this guys will very soon become better than Akram let alone M. Amir.

For all the delusional people out there, test match is still not over and the guy has a long way to go.

Anyways good luck to him making hay while the sun shines. Cricket has strange ways of leveling out in the long run that is the time when you have to show the true character.
 
I will give the Amir of 2009/10 a slight edge over Mustafizur. That Amir had almost everything in his armory! Mustafizur is slightly behind may be because of his less swing and less pace. But he may catch up with time. In terms of foxing batsmen Mustafizur is almost equal to the Amir of 2009/10. But i will definitely give Mustafizur an edge over the current domestic returner Amir! Sorry to say the Amir of 2015 is behind Mustafizur.
 
He is more talented than Wasim. Dont insult by comparing him with Amir.
 

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Why do we always have to compare and score these cheap nationalistic points.

As a cricket fan I'm just grateful we're going to have these two talented young fast bowlers in the game to make a lot of batsmen look silly.
 
Dios said:
Can't wait for Pakistani fans' reactions when the fixer returns and completely fails to live up to the hype :))
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lol, says the guy whose team has the worst record in international cricket. Don't try to act like you have a high horse to sit on, because you honestly don't. One bowler in 15+ years and these guys are losing their minds. No wonder you guys haven't made it as far, if I were you I wouldn't be this proud of a terrible record, with no guarantees of dramatic improvements.
 
Pakcricket89 said:
Even if he fails, it wont take away the talent he posessed at just 17 yrs of age

90 mph bowler at 17 is a gr8 talent even if he doesnt set the world alight straight away
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Cummins did that as well, but he isn't hyped up as the next lillee. Amir played away in helpful conditions and still has an average of 29. He was wonderful to watch and had serious potential but some here would have you believe he was already a top bowler. In fact he wasn't the best bowler in his own side, Asif was.
 
Dee1990 said:
Once batsman figure out his cutters he wont be nothing special tbh.
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There ain't Jack-***** to "figure-out"...Mustafiz is a traditional swing bowler with the addition of a very good off-cutter at high pace...there ain't anything for batsman to "figure out"...he gets wicket by being accurate and superb control..that's about it..and facing accurately pitched 143kph seam-up delivery is tough for batsman in any condition and any pitch...
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Cummins did that as well, but he isn't hyped up as the next lillee. Amir played away in helpful conditions and still has an average of 29. He was wonderful to watch and had serious potential but some here would have you believe he was already a top bowler. In fact he wasn't the best bowler in his own side, Asif was.
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Is Cummins the guy who can't make it through half a game without injuring himself?
 
There are some bowlers who begin with a bang and then fizzle away.
There are some bowlers who begin with a bang and go from strength to strength and become world class.
There are some bowlers who begin sedately and go from strength to strength and become world class.
There are some bowlers who don't have a great start but improve as time passes.
There are some bowlers who don't have a great start and go into the oblivion quickly.

Muztafizur belongs to the first or the second category. Let us wait and see.
 
With all due respect to talented skillful bowler mustafiz , he is a big find for Bangladesh cricket but the ans to the OP is " NO "
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Cummins did that as well, but he isn't hyped up as the next lillee. Amir played away in helpful conditions and still has an average of 29. He was wonderful to watch and had serious potential but some here would have you believe he was already a top bowler. In fact he wasn't the best bowler in his own side, Asif was.
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Wasim Akram said that Amir is better than himself at that age. So you dont rate Wasim's comments?
 
IndianWillow said:
There are some bowlers who begin with a bang and then fizzle away.
There are some bowlers who begin with a bang and go from strength to strength and become world class.
There are some bowlers who begin sedately and go from strength to strength and become world class.
There are some bowlers who don't have a great start but improve as time passes.
There are some bowlers who don't have a great start and go into the oblivion quickly.

Muztafizur belongs to the first or the second category. Let us wait and see.
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Hopefully he will belong to the second category.
 
Let the lad have some time atleast. Do not hype him to the moon, because if he fails to perform you guys would be the first ones calling for his head.

He is young and talented and has all the ingredients to develop into something special.

One thing that might go in Amir's favour is that Amir will occasionally get help from fast bowling legends of the game like Wasim, Waqar etc.. Mustafizur will have no such help.
 
What a silly thread by a Bangali, they just can't keep themselves away from the limelight and make themselves look like fools in the process.

Why would you want to compare a newbie in international cricket to Amir who was far far ahead interms of ability, discipline and sheer talent when it came to bowling. He swung the ball both ways at 145+ kph, who is capable of doing that today? It'll be premature to start comparing him with Rehman who is still finding his feet at international level and his main arsenal for taking wickets are the off cutters, sooner or later batsmen will figure him out and he won't be effective. As someone pointed out he at best can be compared with B.Kumar of 2011-2012 who had both pace and incredible swing at 130-135 Kph plus the slow cutters but with time he has regressed and lost his venom, same will be the case with Muztafizur. But then again Bangalis have the reputation of jumping the gun and making their players look like world beaters because of their minnow mentality and immaturity. They haven't seen or tasted success consistently over longer periods of time until recently and hence the OTT threads, it'll take time for them to evolve and get on par with the rest cricket playing nations.
 
Ikball said:
Wasim Akram said that Amir is better than himself at that age. So you dont rate Wasim's comments?
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Well look at the stats meme posted above, Mustafizur has had a better start than Wasim. So is he better? Absolutely not. Commentators and experts make OTT comments all the time.

Allan Donald in his stint as IPL bowling coach hyped Dinda as the best Indian bowler :))). Ian Chappell back in 2008 called Rohit Sharma the next big thing in Indian cricket.
 
Man Of Steel said:
What a silly thread by a Bangali, they just can't keep themselves away from the limelight and make themselves look like fools in the process.

Why would you want to compare a newbie in international cricket to Amir who was far far ahead interms of ability, discipline and sheer talent when it came to bowling. He swung the ball both ways at 145+ kph, who is capable of doing that today? It'll be premature to start comparing him with Rehman who is still finding his feet at international level and his main arsenal for taking wickets are the off cutters, sooner or later batsmen will figure him out and he won't be effective. As someone pointed out he at best can be compared with B.Kumar of 2011-2012 who had both pace and incredible swing at 130-135 Kph plus the slow cutters but with time he has regressed and lost his venom, same will be the case with Muztafizur. But then again Bangalis have the reputation of jumping the gun and making their players look like world beaters because of their minnow mentality and immaturity. They haven't seen or tasted success consistently over longer periods of time until recently and hence the OTT threads, it'll take time for them to evolve and get on par with the rest cricket playing nations.
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You could have said all that without being so condescending..
 
Man Of Steel said:
What a silly thread by a Bangali, they just can't keep themselves away from the limelight and make themselves look like fools in the process.

Why would you want to compare a newbie in international cricket to Amir who was far far ahead interms of ability, discipline and sheer talent when it came to bowling. He swung the ball both ways at 145+ kph, who is capable of doing that today? It'll be premature to start comparing him with Rehman who is still finding his feet at international level and his main arsenal for taking wickets are the off cutters, sooner or later batsmen will figure him out and he won't be effective. As someone pointed out he at best can be compared with B.Kumar of 2011-2012 who had both pace and incredible swing at 130-135 Kph plus the slow cutters but with time he has regressed and lost his venom, same will be the case with Muztafizur. But then again Bangalis have the reputation of jumping the gun and making their players look like world beaters because of their minnow mentality and immaturity. They haven't seen or tasted success consistently over longer periods of time until recently and hence the OTT threads, it'll take time for them to evolve and get on par with the rest cricket playing nations.
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Why Have you wasted your time in replyinh to this thread. Let the bangladesh fans and Indian fans and all others who think rahman is better discuss it. The rest of us should come back after a year and bump the hell out of it when it backfires.
 
Man Of Steel said:
What a silly thread by a Bangali, they just can't keep themselves away from the limelight and make themselves look like fools in the process.

Why would you want to compare a newbie in international cricket to Amir who was far far ahead interms of ability, discipline and sheer talent when it came to bowling. He swung the ball both ways at 145+ kph, who is capable of doing that today? It'll be premature to start comparing him with Rehman who is still finding his feet at international level and his main arsenal for taking wickets are the off cutters, sooner or later batsmen will figure him out and he won't be effective. As someone pointed out he at best can be compared with B.Kumar of 2011-2012 who had both pace and incredible swing at 130-135 Kph plus the slow cutters but with time he has regressed and lost his venom, same will be the case with Muztafizur. But then again Bangalis have the reputation of jumping the gun and making their players look like world beaters because of their minnow mentality and immaturity. They haven't seen or tasted success consistently over longer periods of time until recently and hence the OTT threads, it'll take time for them to evolve and get on par with the rest cricket playing nations.
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Hah the irony :)))
 
Too early to suggest that. This can very well turn out to be the thread that gets bumped again and again.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Cummins did that as well, but he isn't hyped up as the next lillee. Amir played away in helpful conditions and still has an average of 29. He was wonderful to watch and had serious potential but some here would have you believe he was already a top bowler. In fact he wasn't the best bowler in his own side, Asif was.
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He wasnt the best bowler, he had great talent. People having talent dont necessarily become great players, they need to work hard and attain greatness.

Aamir was already a top bowler, he was among top 10 by 2010, but whether he would have attained greatness or would have been top bowler uptil now is all speculation
 
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Cricfan4eva said:
performance or fitness doesn't matter if you bowl 90 mph at the age of 18 apparently.
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When you know someone has talent to become special, sometimes performances can be ignored. Warnie is one such example despite a bad start to his career, his captain i-e Allan border knew he would become a great. Obviously it can turn out both ways, we have examples of M. Sami and Ashraful who didnt succeed internationally despite having bucketloads of talent
 
Pakcricket89 said:
He wasnt the best bowler, he had great talent. People having talent dont necessarily become great players, they need to work hard and attain greatness.

Aamir was already a top bowler, he was among top 10 by 2010, but whether he would have attained greatness or would have been top bowler uptil now is all speculation
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Agree with the first part, not the second. A top bowler doesn't blow hot and cold. Amir was amazing in the last 6 tests he played (all in England). Bhuvy averages 25 there (not trying to draw any comparison, don't flame me). Amir averges 40+ in Aus, SL and NZ. All 3 places that provide decent help to quicks. So clearly despite all the talent and potential he had a long way to go before being rated as a top bowler.
 
I was an instant fan of Amir when he started international cricket. You can't teach speed. Accuracy was uncanny. More like a combo of Wasim-Waqar. He proved himself already. He was/is a pure talent. His body could sustain hard workload. Amir coming back would be good for cricket (he did his time).
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At this point, Mustafiz has impressed me as well. Though totally a different type of bowler. The best attribute he has is his brains. He thinks and constantly trying to figure out what may work on a given batsman. He can also set a batsman up. That is maturity. I wouldn't compare him with Amir talent wise. All I wish is, he be the best Mustafiz he can be. Great find for us. May he be protected, nurtured, rested properly and plays 20 more years of International cricket.
 
Pakcricket89 said:
When you know someone has talent to become special, sometimes performances can be ignored. Warnie is one such example despite a bad start to his career, his captain i-e Allan border knew he would become a great. Obviously it can turn out both ways, we have examples of M. Sami and Ashraful who didnt succeed internationally despite having bucketloads of talent
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Exactly my point and he should be backed no doubt.

But is it that inconceivable to compare Mustazifur to Amir as some here are trying to make it seem? That is all I'm asking.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Exactly my point and he should be backed no doubt.

But is it that inconceivable to compare Mustazifur to Amir as some here are trying to make it seem? That is all I'm asking.
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That's a biased POV from ppl, IMO, Mustafiz is comparable with Aamir in terms of talent
 
Man Of Steel said:
What a silly thread by a Bangali, they just can't keep themselves away from the limelight and make themselves look like fools in the process.....
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What if I tell you no Bangladeshi opened this thread. To who goes the KING OF FOOLS crown? I nominate you.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Agree with the first part, not the second. A top bowler doesn't blow hot and cold. Amir was amazing in the last 6 tests he played (all in England). Bhuvy averages 25 there (not trying to draw any comparison, don't flame me). Amir averges 40+ in Aus, SL and NZ. All 3 places that provide decent help to quicks. So clearly despite all the talent and potential he had a long way to go before being rated as a top bowler.
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Top bowler in the sense that he was among top bowlers in the world rankings, whether he would have mantained that or not is another matter
 
BD-fan said:
What if I tell you no Bangladeshi opened this thread. To who goes the KING OF FOOLS crown? I nominate you.
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He is definitely a Bangali disguising him as an Indian otherwise he wouldn't have taken the time to open this silly thread.
 
Amir who?Mustafizur is a better Left arm pacer than Wasim Akram and Alan Davidson combined.
 
Amir was a more complete cricketer. While we are comparing the two, one of the player idolizes the other.

What Amir could have done is a different story that we won't ever know. Mustafizur has made a good start though, and while as a bowler he might be close to Amir, as a cricketer [fielding and batting included] Amir is definitely way ahead of him.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Both are young left hand seamers but different in bowling styles. Amir was more quicker where as Mustazifur relies on impeccable line and length, deceptive change of pace.
Mustazifur had a fantastic start to his career. 5fer on debut, 6fer on next game, troubled SA in ODIs and now almost an hatrick in debut test. With an impressive avg of 12 in ODIs, he is one bowler to watch out for. And at this stage in terms of stats he is way ahead than Amir. Please note I know the sample size is small, so I am not going much into stats.
But in terms of sheer talent, do you think Mustafizur Rehman is simply more skillful and talented than Amir??

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Which double account are you ?
 
Ive been watching Mustafiz bowl lately. He is improving the more he plays.

He has been getting wickets on flat pitches and against some of the best batsman in the world.

Yes there will be many that questions his abilities, but one cannot deny he has made alot of strides in his short career span.
 
why does any player needs to be compared with another one? Mohammed Amir was a very good bowler at a very young age. He was fast and accurate.

Mustafiz is doing very well for BD. I hope it continues and he goes from strength to strength. We desperately need a good pacer. But he will have bad days too.

and people bringing in Wasim Akram?? Like seriously. One of them ruled the world cricket for decades and this other guy just debuted and played less than 10 ODIs and only 1 test. Even Mustafiz will be embarrassed to be even mentioned in the same sentence as Wasim Akram. The only similarity between them is they are both left arm pacers. That's all.
 
Also from now on any comparison thread should have a similar sentence:

"I shouldnt be compared to Mustafizur I'm more senior & experienced than him" : Amir :yk
 
hamid.s said:
why does any player needs to be compared with another one? Mohammed Amir was a very good bowler at a very young age. He was fast and accurate.

Mustafiz is doing very well for BD. I hope it continues and he goes from strength to strength. We desperately need a good pacer. But he will have bad days too.

and people bringing in Wasim Akram?? Like seriously. One of them ruled the world cricket for decades and this other guy just debuted and played less than 10 ODIs and only 1 test. Even Mustafiz will be embarrassed to be even mentioned in the same sentence as Wasim Akram. The only similarity between them is they are both left arm pacers. That's all.
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that makes sense.
 
Amir is more talented than Wasim AKRAM AND Michael Holding combined. Just wait and see when he returns. Don't embarrass a future ATG by comparing him with a skinny nobody.
 
eradicator said:
For all the hype surrounding Amir , he had a very average record in Test matches inspite of bowling outside the SC in the most bowling friendly conditions.

Now if he turns out to be a flop bowler after his return , his fanboys would blame his absence from Competitive Cricket for 5 years as the reason behind his decline.
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Is there any wonder India can't even find decent bowlers resembling anything close to Amir when this kind of thinking arises ?

It's actually a pathetic thread considering 1 of the bowlers has been out of the game for 5 years while the other is just a baby when it comes to Test cricket.

Forget Amirs talent, it was the way he used his bowling brain to work out and setup the batsman. This especially was seen many times in 2010.

Swing and conditions can only help if you know how and when to use them.

I really think some people have no idea of how bowling or a good bowler operates - hence the baloney and rubbish people write and type.

Keep it up, it's good laughter none the less.
 
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