[PICTURES] Is Joe Root’s reputation in danger due to Indian propaganda?

[Ab Fan]

This list is based of statistics and country performance. If you knew how to read the first comment says

For me

2nd comment reads

I will be as Unbiased as possible.

If it is based on statistics, how come Sangakkara is so low?

 

[mominsaigol]

If it is based on statistics, how come Sangakkara is so low?

Country performance > Overall Average.

The issue with Sanga is that he is the greatest avg to semi decent bowling basher of all time even > Prime Steve Smith and Classic Viv but a total bunny against anyone who gets even a bit of zip in.

He's just a superior version of Kane Williamson who is another player with a ridiculously high avg

 

[Ab Fan]

It is not a race, it is a marathon. A lot of batsmen have reached X runs quicker than Tendulkar did, it doesn’t mean all of them are better than Tendulkar.

There are also other factors too, such has Tendulkar playing his majority of his home Tests on flat wickets while English conditions especially before Bazball era were not easy

Indian conditions weren’t easy to bat in 90s either. Kumble destroyed teams on home pitches for fun back then.

 

[Ab Fan]

So brother @mominsaigol rates SRT ahead of Smith in his rankings but all day and night he spends on this forum debating how Smith is better than SRT and how Root with some 2020s trajectory would also be no lesser than SRT.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Seems like another strong similarity with Sachin, who could never score 500 runs in a Test series to save his life.

Yeah of course scoring 500 runs in a test series is what defines a career.

 

[Romali_rotti]

So brother @mominsaigol rates SRT ahead of Smith in his rankings but all day and night he spends on this forum debating how Smith is better than SRT and how Root with some 2020s trajectory would also be no lesser than SRT.

But Jamie Smith is better than Gilchrist though

That's a given....

 

[mominsaigol]

So brother @mominsaigol rates SRT ahead of Smith in his rankings but all day and night he spends on this forum debating how Smith is better than SRT and how Root with some 2020s trajectory would also be no lesser than SRT.

Because making a ranking based of numbers is not the same as what I personally believe.

My belief and qualitative date triumph over any Numbers that indians may portray.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah of course scoring 500 runs in a test series is what defines a career.

It is when you portray him as a god of cricket and claim his status is = to Bradman

 

[Romali_rotti]

It is when you portray him as a god of cricket and claim his status is = to Bradman

Why you telling me this Nancy, didnt say he was a god or better than Bradman.

 

[Sachin fan]

Seems like another strong similarity with Sachin, who could never score 500 runs in a Test series to save his life.

Mostly because for most of his peak he
Has played only 2 and 3 match series. In fact only played 2 5 match series i beleive in his entire career, one was as a teen.

Way easier to score 500+ in 5 match series

Nice try though

 

[Sachin fan]

It is when you portray him as a god of cricket and claim his status is = to Bradman

Let's ignore that ponting, bradman and most people who scored 500+ runs regularly did it in 5 match series..

At his peak Sachin got 2 match and 3 match series, he has scored 403 in two match and 446 in 3 match series. You think he couldn't score few more runs? He regularly had 1000+ runs a year, and over 600 runs in 5+ matches, it was just not in one series as he never got to play longer series.

Sachin I believe played only 2 5 series in his entire career, own as a teen and one when he was injured.

 

[mominsaigol]

Why you telling me this Nancy, didnt say he was a god or better than Bradman.

Didn't an entire country title him to be the "God of cricket"?

Even Football fans don't title Ronaldo as the god of football as deapite being one of the all time greats possibly top 5 or top 3 of all time, he isn't > everyone in all metrics.

Their have only been 2 cricketers who were > all in all metrics for their era

Viv(Odi), Bradman(Test)

Kohli comes close in odi tbf. He is > in every metric except for Strike rate, HS and a few people out performing him for a few months in certain conditons against certain teams.

However I still view Kohli as a god of odi in his era since the advent of t20 cricket + pitch curation has made it very easy for openers and finishers to have higher strike rates.

Despite this he is > in all relevant metrics, Tournaments performances and the likes of Steve smith, Ab de villers, Sanga only outperformed him for a few months in certain conditons but year by year kohli was still top tier.

After Bradman, Steve Smith in his 8 year peak was also head and shoulders > everyone.

1) Bradman
2) Viv (Odi)
3) Kohli (Odi)
4) Steve Smith (8 year peak, Test)

^^ No other cricketers (batsmen) have managed to ever replicate their godly status.

Gilly is another if you filter the metrics to wicket keeping batsmen, then yes Gilky deserves to be on this list.

Sachin and Root, not so much.

 

[mominsaigol]

Let's ignore that ponting, bradman and most people who scored 500+ runs regularly did it in 5 match series..

At his peak Sachin got 2 match and 3 match series, he has scored 403 in two match and 446 in 3 match series. You think he couldn't score few more runs? He regularly had 1000+ runs a year, and over 600 runs in 5+ matches, it was just not in one series as he never got to play longer series.

Sachin I believe played only 2 5 series in his entire career, own as a teen and one when he was injured.

Gill played 2 tests and scored more then 500 runs.

Their are a list of players who have scored 500+ runs in 3 match series before, Bradman included although with Bradman you can argue that it was Vs SA, India and teams in their infancy at the time.

Before you use the excuse that the pitch was flat for Gill, Sachin throughout 24 years had played on every pitch imaginable ranging from flat pancakes to Spicy dens.

Their are only 5 cricketers in history who at their peak were head ans shoulders > everyone in all metrics and hence should be considered the Goats amount Goats.

1) Kohli (Odi)
2) Viv (Odi)
3) Bradman (Test)
4) Garfield Sobers (Test)
5) Steve Smith (Test)

If you wish to include t20 then Kohli takes that too.

Every other player who was the greatest of his era or certain time period had various metrics where they weren't >. Just were slightly better then their competition.

The gap between Sachin and Ponting, Lara, Kallis is nowhere near as high as the gap between Steve Smith and Williamson, Root and Kohli during their primes in test where these 4 were clearly the 4 best of their era.

Similarly the gap between sachin and Ponting in odi or Test is nowhere near as high as the gap between Kohli and rohit, De villers, Warner, Sanga and many other odi batters of his era.

When you give someone a god status you expect them to be literal standouts.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Didn't an entire country title him to be the "God of cricket"?

Even Football fans don't title Ronaldo as the god of football as deapite being one of the all time greats possibly top 5 or top 3 of all time, he isn't > everyone in all metrics.

Their have only been 2 cricketers who were > all in all metrics for their era

Viv(Odi), Bradman(Test)

Kohli comes close in odi tbf. He is > in every metric except for Strike rate, HS and a few people out performing him for a few months in certain conditons against certain teams.

However I still view Kohli as a god of odi in his era since the advent of t20 cricket + pitch curation has made it very easy for openers and finishers to have higher strike rates.

Despite this he is > in all relevant metrics, Tournaments performances and the likes of Steve smith, Ab de villers, Sanga only outperformed him for a few months in certain conditons but year by year kohli was still top tier.

After Bradman, Steve Smith in his 8 year peak was also head and shoulders > everyone.

1) Bradman
2) Viv (Odi)
3) Kohli (Odi)
4) Steve Smith (8 year peak, Test)

^^ No other cricketers (batsmen) have managed to ever replicate their godly status.

Gilly is another if you filter the metrics to wicket keeping batsmen, then yes Gilky deserves to be on this list.

Sachin and Root, not so much.

Steve Smith faced 1 bowler in the great category and that is Bumrah.

Dale Steyn that Steven faced was aged towards the end of his career.

SRT took on the all the great bowlers while playing in a side full of avg to below avg bowlers with 2 or 3 good bats.

SRTS avg outside of the sub continent test wise, we all know the bowlers he has faced; Warne, Mcgrath, Steyn, Donald, Ian Bishop, Walsh, Ambrose, Pollock etc... 6000 odd runs at a 51avg with 18 hundreds....




SRT is in a league above Steve Smith, Steven never faced his own goat bowlers, when he faced Bumrah he struggled, none of these young kids like Root, Steve Smith are in SRT's category and will never ever be, barring on a Pakistani website....

 

[mominsaigol]

Steve Smith faced 1 bowler in the great category and that is Bumrah.

Dale Steyn that Steven faced was aged towards the end of his career.

SRT took on the all the great bowlers while playing in a side full of avg to below avg bowlers with 2 or 3 good bats.

SRTS avg outside of the sub continent test wise, we all know the bowlers he has faced; Warne, Mcgrath, Steyn, Donald, Ian Bishop, Walsh, Ambrose, Pollock etc... 6000 odd runs at a 51avg with 18 hundreds....



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SRT is in a league above Steve Smith, Steven never faced his own goat bowlers, when he faced Bumrah he struggled, none of these young kids like Root, Steve Smith are in SRT's category and will never ever be, barring a Pakistani website....

That is not true.

Sachin Averages 22.22 against mcgrath in test cricket total. Throughout their rivalry Sachin only managed to one up Mcgrath on one series in 2000 where he avg 50 against Australia.

Poat 2000 he avg 5 against Mcgrath. It was a hilarious one side rivalry and their rivalry is next to non existent. Even the one time he owned mchrath was at a home den. Overall it was one sided.

Then he avg 23 vs Anderson.

When Donald played Sachin only avg 32 vs SA. Sadly their is no data on sachin's head to head vs Donald as head to head avg was only recorded from 2001 onwards, but overall his performance was worse then Donald played as compared to him avg 50+ when Donald didnt play.

Them against wasim same story. Infact at Pakistan den Sachin was surprisingly medicore. Anyway he avg 32 when wasim played test cricket against him as well.

Ambrose doesn't count. Ambrose was 35 and washed up and on the pitch he played that test against him 4 out of 5 tests ended in a draw. Those test pitches were dead. More dead then when Brooks smashed 317 vs Pakistan.

I will have to check the other bowlers as I forgot what the head to head or overall record is, but against murli he avg 32 head to head.

Only warne was someone who sachin freqently owned as his numbers are terrific against him.

Now coming back to topic, Who you view as a goat or what bowlers you faced doesnt matter. That is not in the hands of a player, he doesnt control what bowlers play in which era.

I dont even know of the names of 90% of bowlers who bowled to Bradman.

The point is Era's itself.

Bradman is heads and shoulders > everyone in his era.
Viv is heads and shoulders > everyone in his era(odi)
Sobers is heads and shoulders > everyone in his era(test)
Steve Smith is heads and shoulders > everyone in his era however his case is weaker post 8 years as after that he declined and now root is > his current form.
Kohli is heads and shoulders > everyone in his era(odi)

Does that metric apply to root and sachin though? All data points to no and indicate that they outlasted others due to no of games, longetivoty and consistency rather then objective domination.

Ponting in 2006 was > him, Bevan vs Saxhin was a serious debate in 90's, Kallis and Lara vs sachin was a serious debate.

Sanga when he wasnt keeping in test cricket was and is still is a lethal debate against sachin.

But ask yourself if Kohli, Root or Williamson is a serious debate vs Smith during his 8 year prime? Or if wally hammond vs Bradman is a serious debate.

 

[Romali_rotti]

That is not true.

Sachin Averages 22.22 against mcgrath in test cricket total. Throughout their rivalry Sachin only managed to one up Mcgrath on one series in 2000 where he avg 50 against Australia.

Poat 2000 he avg 5 against Mcgrath. It was a hilarious one side rivalry and their rivalry is next to non existent. Even the one time he owned mchrath was at a home den. Overall it was one sided.

Oh really ?

1999 test series with multiple test matches in Aus vs Mcgrath & Warne SRT finished with a 46 avg and the 3rd hightest run getter of the series.

SRT took on OZ goat bowlers and their umpires while Oz bats took on Prasads and Srinaths. Got man of the series. India loses the series 3-0

2001 test series in India vs Mcgrath & Warne, SRT finished the series with 50 avg. India wins the series 2-1

2004 Test series in India vs Mcgrath & Warne, the 'Tennis Elbow' series, SRT doesn't play the full series being injured and finishes with a 17 avg, Mcgrath finally gets on top of him. It took an injured SRT for Mcgrath to finally get a leg up.

Before the injury it was a cat and mouse game, 50-50 between the 2 goats in tests. We can forgive SRT of the 2004 series, you need both your arms when taking on one of the greatest test sides of all time, had he been fit he would have easily had another 45-50 avg series. Matter of fact for about 12-15 months period from the time he was injured with the Tennis elbow his form dipped so bad that he was struggling against avg bowlers also..

 

[Mamoon]

Mostly because for most of his peak he
Has played only 2 and 3 match series. In fact only played 2 5 match series i beleive in his entire career, one was as a teen.

Way easier to score 500+ in 5 match series

Nice try though

During Tendulkar’s career, there have been 17 instances of batsmen scoring more than 500+ Test runs in a series. From India, there have been two instances as well (Dravid did it on both occasions).

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah of course scoring 500 runs in a test series is what defines a career.

Scoring heavily across a series is one of the hallmarks of mental resilience for a Test batsmen, just like the number of 200+ scores, most runs scored in a calendar year.

Tendulkar failed badly on all such fronts. Not only did he fail to score 500+ runs in a series, he has one of the worst innings played to 200+ runs scored ratios in history, and he rarely featured in the leading runs scored per calendar in spite of having a 24 year career.

 

[mominsaigol]

Oh really ?

1999 test series with multiple test matches in Aus vs Mcgrath & Warne SRT finished with a 46 avg and the 3rd hightest run getter of the series.

SRT took on OZ goat bowlers and their umpires while Oz bats took on Prasads and Srinaths. Got man of the series. India loses the series 3-0

2001 test series in India vs Mcgrath & Warne, SRT finished the series with 50 avg. India wins the series 2-1

2004 Test series in India vs Mcgrath & Warne, the 'Tennis Elbow' series, SRT doesn't play the full series being injured and finishes with a 17 avg, Mcgrath finally gets on top of him. It took an injured SRT for Mcgrath to finally get a leg up.

Before the injury it was a cat and mouse game, 50-50 between the 2 goats in tests. We can forgive SRT of the 2004 series, you need both your arms when taking on one of the greatest test sides of all time, had he been fit he would have easily had another 45-50 avg series. Matter of fact for about 12-15 months period from the time he was injured with the Tennis elbow his form dipped so bad that he was struggling against avg bowlers also..

You can apply whatever filter you like. No one was forcing him to play on injury.

We both know had this been Joe root who was injured and had an awful series, you guys would have eaten him alive.

Nothing will change the reality that Sachin avg 22.22 vs Mcgrath, avg 23 vs Anderson, Avg 32 vs Murli, never avg > 35 if Donald and wasim played in their teams, could onpy own Ambrose when he was 35 in a dead wickets etc etc.

That 22.22 avg remains and will forever remain. Secondly if it was 50-50, one bad series wouldnt have resorted Sachin to avg 22.22 against mcgrath total. Atheist you could argue it may have fallen below 40 but not 22.22

And again you are devaiting away from the point. Eras are put of someone's control. As a poster from 2005 you yourself likely remember posts about Ponting vs Srt which were going viral at the time when many predicted Ponting would surpass srt until ponting himself collapsed post 2008 in form.

Eras wise ask yourself if Sachin vs Ponting, Kallis, Samga, Lara, Chanderpaul etc etc dueing peak periods have as wide as a gap that

A) Bradman had with the likes of Hobbs and Wally Hammond

B) Gary Sobers had with anyone including viv who in tests he was heads and shoulders > Viv, Sunny and many many others.

C) Steve Smith had with root, Williamson, Kohli

D) Kohli and Viv in odi had with anyone else.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You can apply whatever filter you like. No one was forcing him to play on injury.

We both know had this been Joe root who was injured and had an awful series, you guys would have eaten him alive.

Nothing will change the reality that Sachin avg 22.22 vs Mcgrath, avg 23 vs Anderson, Avg 32 vs Murli, never avg > 35 if Donald and wasim played in their teams, could onpy own Ambrose when he was 35 in a dead wickets etc etc.

That 22.22 avg remains and will forever remain. Secondly if it was 50-50, one bad series wouldnt have resorted Sachin to avg 22.22 against mcgrath total. Atheist you could argue it may have fallen below 40 but not 22.22

And again you are devaiting away from the point. Eras are put of someone's control. As a poster from 2005 you yourself likely remember posts about Ponting vs Srt which were going viral at the time when many predicted Ponting would surpass srt until ponting himself collapsed post 2008 in form.

Eras wise ask yourself if Sachin vs Ponting, Kallis, Samga, Lara, Chanderpaul etc etc dueing peak periods have as wide as a gap that

A) Bradman had with the likes of Hobbs and Wally Hammond

B) Gary Sobers had with anyone including viv who in tests he was heads and shoulders > Viv, Sunny and many many others.

C) Steve Smith had with root, Williamson, Kohli

D) Kohli and Viv in odi had with anyone else.

Where you getting the 22 batting avg in test from Nancy? Unless I am looking wrong

When I look at the only test series Mcgrath and SRT played against each other involving multiple matches per series, the batting avg for SRT I am getting is 40, avg took a dip thanks to the Tennis Elbow series.

 

[mominsaigol]

Where you getting 22 from Nancy? Unless I am looking wrong

When I look at the only test series Mcgrath and SRT played against each other involving multiple matches per series, the batting avg for SRT I am getting is 40, avg took a dip thanks to the Tennis Elbow series.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.thebridgechronicle.com/sports/glenn-mcgrath-chooses-%25E2%2580%2598-harder-bowl-%25E2%2580%2599-between-sachin-tendulkar-and-brian-lara-46942%23:~:text%3DTendulkar%27s%2520average%2520against%2520McGrath%2520stands,the%2520former%27s%2520assessment%2520stems%2520from.&ved=2ahUKEwiP457tiMaOAxUMXKQEHbEfAaUQzsoNegQICxAO&usg=AOvVaw3189MZpxXoQyJSPT4pWXO9

It is on your own famous articles that you Indians like to quote to establish mcgrath vs sachin being a greater rivalry then lara vs mcgrath which is hilarious as they dont have a rivalry .

 

[Mamoon]

Indian conditions weren’t easy to bat in 90s either. Kumble destroyed teams on home pitches for fun back then.

Indian pitches were batting friendly in the 90s and 2000s. They were excellent to bat on in the first couple of days with no swing or seam and very little spin. Gradually over the course of the Test, the pitch would start to break up and it was not easy to bat in the fourth innings.

This is why the “god” of batting Tendulkar averaged a poor 36 in the fourth innings at home as opposed to an average of 65 in the first innings.

Similarly, Kumble averaged 28 in the first innings at home and 16 in the fourth innings.

It was in 2013 when India pivoted towards pitches that would turn viciously from the first day. This is why in spite of having a sad ending to his Test career, Kohli deserves a lot of respect for scoring heavily in India between 2016-2019 on the type of pitches that Tendulkar never played on.

Kohli in those 4 years batted at a higher level than Tendulkar ever did in Test cricket.

 

[Romali_rotti]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.thebridgechronicle.com/sports/glenn-mcgrath-chooses-%25E2%2580%2598-harder-bowl-%25E2%2580%2599-between-sachin-tendulkar-and-brian-lara-46942%23:~:text%3DTendulkar%27s%2520average%2520against%2520McGrath%2520stands,the%2520former%27s%2520assessment%2520stems%2520from.&ved=2ahUKEwiP457tiMaOAxUMXKQEHbEfAaUQzsoNegQICxAO&usg=AOvVaw3189MZpxXoQyJSPT4pWXO9

It is on your own famous articles that you Indians like to quote to establish mcgrath vs sachin being a greater rivalry then lara vs mcgrath which is hilarious as they dont have a rivalry .

lol That's not the series avg, do the math Nancy, please forgive our Indian author there.

Go to cricinfo statsguru and tell me whats SRT's batting avg after the only 3 series which involved Mcgrath and Warne.


Oh and Last I checked Lara avg's 37 when Mcgrath played the series in Aus, whilst SRT avg 46.

 

[Romali_rotti]

It is on your own famous articles that you Indians like to quote to establish mcgrath vs sachin being a greater rivalry then lara vs mcgrath which is hilarious as they dont have a rivalry .

Nah not me Nanc,

Lara vs Mcgrath was the rivalry, SRT & Mcgrath hardly played each other in test matches to be called a rivalry, compared to Mcgrath vs Lara.

Lara struggled in Aus with a 37 avg but did real well at home with a 45 odd avg.. SRT was 50-50, till the Tennis Elbow...

 

[mominsaigol]

lol That's not the series avg, do the math Nancy, please forgive our Indian author there.

Go to cricinfo statsguru and tell me whats SRT's batting avg after the only 3 series which involved Mcgrath and Warne.


Oh and Last I checked Lara avg's 37 when Mcgrath played the series in Aus, whilst SRT avg 46.

Sachin avg 5 post 2001. I dont give a crap about that rubbish tennis elbow story. One of the biggest cop out stories ive seen but I'll ignore that for now, as you get trigger happy on literally everything.

Now if you wanna see the official stats, its 26 overall. Their 2 sources, one says 22.22 and the other 26. And why should I forgive your rubbish article writer? Its further proof of indians lying .

 

[Romali_rotti]

Sachin avg 5 post 2001. I dont give a crap about that rubbish tennis elbow story. One of the biggest cop out stories ive seen but I'll ignore that for now, as you get trigger happy on literally everything.

Now if you wanna see the official stats, its 26 overall. Their 2 sources, one says 22.22 and the other 26. And why should I forgive your rubbish article writer? Its further proof of indians lying .

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What's SRT's avg, for the only 3 x test series he faced Mcgrath & Warne in.

Go on nancy, put it up...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Nancy here wont answer the question, maybe another Pakistani poster here can prove me wrong.

Can one of you put up SRTs batting avg after the only 3 test series he played against Mcgrath & Warne...

 

[mominsaigol]

What's SRT's avg, for the only 3 x test series he faced Mcgrath & Warne in.

Go on nancy, put it up...

Nancy here wont answer the question, maybe another Pakistani poster here can prove me wrong.

Can one of you put up SRTs batting avg after the only 3 test series he played against Mcgrath & Warne...

What do you mean by the only 3? His overall record is 26.08 . I even gave you all details such as deliveries, no of 4's etc etc.

So what's with this filter?

 

[Romali_rotti]

What do you mean by the only 3? His overall record is 26.08 . I even gave you all details such as deliveries, no of 4's etc etc.

So what's with this filter?

Its the king pin comparison you dufus.

You are judged when going up against the best, there is no combo better than Warne and Mcgrath together, both goats.

Now whats SRTs total bat avg after the 3 series he went against them, come on nanc, you know the answer you just don't want to answer it. It's ok, we can do this all day....

 

[Major]

lol a poster wanting to post stats of only 3 bolwers just to make his favourite look good.

Now thats fanboyism.

 

[Romali_rotti]

lol a poster wanting to post stats of only 3 bolwers just to make his favourite look good.

Now thats fanboyism.

Yeah bruh but its actually 2.

and those 2 happened to be goat of all time bowlers also.

So yeah major fanboism..

 

[mominsaigol]

Its the king pin comparison you dufus.

You are judged when going up against the best, there is no combo better than Warne and Mcgrath together, both goats.

Now whats SRTs total bat avg after the 3 series he went against them, come on nanc, you know the answer you just don't want to answer it. It's ok, we can do this all day....

Against the best he avg 26.08. I literally showed you the objective metric.

No of balls faced, how many boundaries hit, how many matches faced .

I just showed it you live . Aur kya karoon

 

[Romali_rotti]

Against the best he avg 26.08. I literally showed you the objective metric.

No of balls faced, how many boundaries hit, how many matches faced .

I just showed it you live . Aur kya karoon

That's not how it works Nancy, it was more of a team game, with match situations, especially back in those days, were you didnt have a attitude the Rishabh Pant's hitting bowlers to every nook and corner. It was about survival strategy and perseverance, not the boundaries or 6s.

Whats SRTs total bat avg after the 3 series he went against them, come on nanc, you know the answer you just don't want to answer it. It's ok, we can do this all day....

 

[mominsaigol]

What's SRT's avg, for the only 3 x test series he faced Mcgrath & Warne in.

Go on nancy, put it up...

Why does that matter when we have discussed their entire history? This is like saying what's Bumrah's avg against NZ in the wtc 2021 where he faced them

 

[mominsaigol]

That's not how it works Nancy, it was more of a team game, with match situations, especially back in those days, were you didnt have a attitude the Rishabh Pant's hitting bowlers to every nook and corner. It was about survival strategy and perseverance, not the boundaries or 6s.

Whats SRTs total bat avg after the 3 series he went against them, come on nanc, you know the answer you just don't want to answer it. It's ok, we can do this all day....

As a poster who has been here since 2005. Its been 20 years since.

I'm assuming you are 40-60 years of age and it is showing. You have clearly gone senile .

 

[Romali_rotti]

Why does that matter when we have discussed their entire history? This is like saying what's Bumrah's avg against NZ in the wtc 2021 where he faced them

Like I said, we do can do this all day

so

Whats SRTs total bat avg after the 3 series he went against McWarne, come on nanc, you know the answer you just don't want to answer it.

 

[Romali_rotti]

As a poster who has been here since 2005. Its been 20 years since.

I'm assuming you are 40-60 years of age and it is showing. You have clearly gone senile .

You have no idea how much fun it is to rile up a Nancy like you kid.

Lets keep this going..

, You are officially on my troll list, now you make sure you don't run away like a Jeera Blade or Namak Halaal and come back in disguise as a Technics because you can't handle the heat.

 

[mominsaigol]

Like I said, we do can do this all day

so

Whats SRTs total bat avg after the 3 series he went against McWarne, come on nanc, you know the answer you just don't want to answer it.

You have no idea how much fun it is to rile up a Nancy like you kid.

Lets keep this going..

, You are officially on my troll list, now you make sure you don't run away like a Jeera Blade or Namak Halaal and come back in disguise as a Technics because you can't handle the heat.

I highly doubt you can do this all day old timer. First of im outliving you .

Secondly you've been here 20 years and only have 21K comments meaning you are not active much.

So yeah you're probably doing it for a while before you wife calls and tells you to do the dishes

 

[mominsaigol]

I highly doubt you can do this all day old timer. First of im outliving you .

Secondly you've been here 20 years and only have 21K comments meaning you are not active much.

So yeah you're probably doing it for a while before you wife calls and tells you to do the dishes

See i called it, you clearly can't do this all day ,logged off for 30 mins after making that post

 

[Romali_rotti]

See i called it, you clearly can't do this all day ,logged off for 30 mins after making that post

so

Whats SRTs total bat avg after the 3 series he went against McWarne, come on nanc, you know the answer you just don't want to answer it.

 

[Romali_rotti]

So yeah you're probably doing it for a while before you wife calls and tells you to do the dishes

lol, that is funny I give you that.

Wife is telling me; leave the kid alone, and I am like Nahhh, this is the best part, trolling little punks like nancy is the fun bit...

 

[mominsaigol]

lol, that is funny I give you that.

Wife is telling me; leave the kid alone, and I am like Nahhh, this is the best part, trolling little punks like nancy is the fun bit...

And then she calls for a divorce

 

[Ab Fan]

Indian pitches were batting friendly in the 90s and 2000s. They were excellent to bat on in the first couple of days with no swing or seam and very little spin. Gradually over the course of the Test, the pitch would start to break up and it was not easy to bat in the fourth innings.

This is why the “god” of batting Tendulkar averaged a poor 36 in the fourth innings at home as opposed to an average of 65 in the first innings.

Similarly, Kumble averaged 28 in the first innings at home and 16 in the fourth innings.

It was in 2013 when India pivoted towards pitches that would turn viciously from the first day. This is why in spite of having a sad ending to his Test career, Kohli deserves a lot of respect for scoring heavily in India between 2016-2019 on the type of pitches that Tendulkar never played on.

Kohli in those 4 years batted at a higher level than Tendulkar ever did in Test cricket.

Not all pitches in 90s were excellent to bat on first 3 days in India. Also, till 2010, most overseas top pacers have found success in India. This changed from 2011 onwards.

As for the period between 2016-2019, again the NZ and Eng home series had good batting pitches especially the England one and those two series were when Kohli scored a lot of runs. There was a home series vs SL too somewhere around 2018-19 where Kohli scored double tons for fun. 2015 SA series and 2017 Aus series had two matches played on turners each from Day 1 and Kohli didn’t do well in either.

Pujara was better player vs spin on those pitches. Kohli was of course far more dominant and game changer on balanced pitches both home and away till 2019.

 

[Mamoon]

One of the greatest Test batsmen the world has ever seen and soon to be the highest run scorer in Test cricket.

It has been a privilege to have followed Joe Root’s Test career since day 1.

Whether Indians give him due credit or not doesn’t matter. He owns them.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Joe Root became the first player to score 1000 Test runs at Old Trafford

 

[mominsaigol]

Root got to 13409 runs and surpassed ponting while playing one innings less, AAG

 

[Namoona.]

Nothing can erase Sachin's legacy. He was that good of a player. No softie runs from Root is going to unroot Sachin's stature. He will always remain the greatest batter

You guys need to humble yourselves

 

[Kroll]

Nothing can erase Sachin's legacy. He was that good of a player. No softie runs from Root is going to unroot Sachin's stature. He will always remain the greatest batter

You guys need to humble yourselves

Thanks, also nice to see the coping mechanisms have started in good time.

 

[Major]

lol could see the legs of Indian fans shaking

 

[mominsaigol]

Thanks, also nice to see the coping mechanisms have started in good time.

He's designed to be the opposite of Mamoon. Whatever mamoon states he will state the opposite

 

[Sachin fan]

lol could see the legs of Indian fans shaking

Yet there has been nothing but praise for Root from Indian fans and media, particularly after how he has been conducting on the field this entire series (the opposite of Stokes).

 

[Technics 1210]

lol could see the legs of Indian fans shaking

Trembling.

 

[Major]

Yet there has been nothing but praise for Root from Indian fans and media, particularly after how he has been conducting on the field this entire series (the opposite of Stokes).

Check what harsha bhogle said...

 

[RexRex]

Check what harsha bhogle said...

Did he mock Root's achievements ?

 

[Major]

Did he mock Root's achievements ?

He downplayed by saying that because england plays more test thats why he is nearing and that poor tendlulu was being made to play less tests in an year

 

[RexRex]

He downplayed by saying that because england plays more test thats why he is nearing and that poor tendlulu was being made to play less tests in an year

I don't see any downplaying there. He just said Root got to this 13000 runs quicker than Tendulkar because Eng play a lot more tests per year. A mere observation. Harsha is well known for making a lot of bland and boring observations on twitter.

 

[Major]

I don't see any downplaying there. He just said Root got to this 13000 runs quicker than Tendulkar because Eng play a lot more tests per year. A mere observation. Harsha is well known for making a lot of bland and boring observations on twitter.

its called whining and finding excuses

 

[Sachin fan]

its called whining and finding excuses

Is it? Is Kevin peterson also whining? Now the new rule that Indians can never make any observations no matter how obvious it is, or some Pak fans will call it whining?

That's not how the world works my dude.

 

[BouncerGuy]

NO PERSONAL STUFF... JUST STAY ON TOPIC

 

[BouncerGuy]

NO PERSONAL STUFF... JUST STAY ON TOPIC

AGAIN

 

[Major]

Is it? Is Kevin peterson also whining? Now the new rule that Indians can never make any observations no matter how obvious it is, or some Pak fans will call it whining?

That's not how the world works my dude.

Lol observation.... oh plz. You lot need to stop defending everything you countrymen does

Read his tweet, read the tone....

 

[Technics 1210]

No one really remembers or mentions Tendulkar outside of India, not even Wisden.

He's only mentioned by the non Indian commies just to pay lip service to BCCI.

 

[Sachin fan]

No one really remembers or mentions Tendulkar outside of India, not even Wisden.

He's only mentioned by the non Indian commies just to pay lip service to BCCI.

Would love to live in this delusional alternate reality world you always seem to live in. The same wisden which considers himself second after Don as an all time batsman, doesn't remember him?

https://archive.ph/20070110222511/http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/113623.html

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[Sachin fan]

Lol observation.... oh plz. You lot need to stop defending everything you countrymen does

Read his tweet, read the tone....

Yes it's a simple, valid observation. Which other players and commentators have also observed. And is this the "propaganda" mentioned in OP? Stop straw manning

 

[Sachin fan]

Still waiting for this Indian propaganda OP is talking about.

 

[mominsaigol]

Still waiting for this Indian propaganda OP is talking about.

Indian propaganda states the following

A) Root only performs on flat tracks. This is an argument used by @Romali_rotti and @RexRex along with 2 to 3 other indian posters who are irrelevant and I dont remember their names.

Root avg 50+ in every country excluding Australia and dustbowls. Even on dustbowls he avg 45 and 47. So I don't get how he's a flat track bully when he bullied india for the millionth time in the 3rd test and heck scored 700+ runs in bowling conditons against them one time.

B) Root is a soft run scorer. Ironically england have won more games then lost od drawn when he scores. He is not bumrah where india have a clown record if losing if bumrah plays in test in sena.

Weirdly enough wisden has put Root's innings in the top 50 best innings of all time yet sachin is absent in all of em. Laxman + Dravid have made the list yet Sachin is nowhere to be seen.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Indian propaganda states the following

A) Root only performs on flat tracks. This is an argument used by @Romali_rotti and @RexRex along with 2 to 3 other indian posters who are irrelevant and I dont remember their names.

Root avg 50+ in every country excluding Australia and dustbowls. Even on dustbowls he avg 45 and 47. So I don't get how he's a flat track bully when he bullied india for the millionth time in the 3rd test and heck scored 700+ runs in bowling conditons against them one time.

B) Root is a soft run scorer. Ironically england have won more games then lost od drawn when he scores. He is not bumrah where india have a clown record if losing if bumrah plays in test in sena.

Weirdly enough wisden has put Root's innings in the top 50 best innings of all time yet sachin is absent in all of em. Laxman + Dravid have made the list yet Sachin is nowhere to be seen.

Weirdly enough out of a combined 22 test matches the supposed greatest batsmen after Bradman only has a 1 test hundred in Australia and South Africa ..

 

[Ab Fan]

None of these changes the fact that Ravindra Jadeja has outperformed Joe Root in his backyard.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Root has already made up his reputation as one of the ATG in red ball. No propaganda can damage that fact

 

[mominsaigol]

Weirdly enough out of a combined 22 test matches the supposed greatest batsmen after Bradman only has a 1 test hundred in Australia and South Africa ..

You can argue semantics all day and night. He still avg 50+ in sa. Just cause england dominated SA black and blue and root didnt get a chance to bat much doesnt mean much.

Actually watch the games for once, root has more not outs in sa then any other country.

Australia is the only country where he struggles. Root also avg 50+ in UAE but because England butchered Pakistan black and blue last time they toured they he could only stick to not outs and not score centuries.

Its clear you don't check your facts. You didnt even know root scored 700 + runs against india in 2021 and avg 100 and mamoon had to educate you about it.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You can argue semantics all day and night. He still avg 50+ in sa. Just cause england dominated SA black and blue and root didnt get a chance to bat much

Right back at ya Kid, you can argue semantics all day and night.

Fact Root has only 1 x test 100 in 22 matches in South Africa and Australia is big dent, that is no ATG category and never will be.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Its clear you don't check your facts. You didnt even know root scored 700 + runs against india in 2021 and avg 100 and mamoon had to educate you about it.

I was right, Mamoon selectively only chose part of year stats for 2021 after he said root avg 100 for the year 2021 which turned out to be false. After I questioned him he changed his stance to say it was only for part of year and not the whole year.

Who cares about 700, my boy Gill might get 800 by the end of next match

 

[mominsaigol]

Right back at ya Kid, you can argue semantics all day and night.

Fact Root has only 1 x test 100 in 22 matches in South Africa and Australia is big dent, that is no ATG category and never will be.

The 2nd highest and soon to be highest scorer in test cricket with a 51.17 avg which is rising higher and higher day by day, Most runs scored against India then any other player in history from Sena and A perfect record in every country except Australia is a certified ATG.

This is not semantics, its a fact and a public sentiment.

I was right, Mamoon selectively only chose part of year stats for 2021 after he said root avg 100 for the year 2021 which turned out to be false. After I questioned him he changed his stance to say it was only for part of year and not the whole year.

Who cares about 700, my boy Gill might get 800 by the end of next match

Yeah I already said Gill is good at the start of the series lol while you and other indians were crying about him, now its a sudden turn of events yet you wont acknowledge that I called it first .

I verbatim stated Gill > Jaiswal and that Jaiswal is overrated. 4 matches later guys like sachin fan are hiding in embrassment. I told everyone no 4 woud suit gill more then no 3.

Wanna know what Gill did in literally 2 matches what Sachin couldnt achieve in 24 years? Score 500+ runs

 

[Romali_rotti]

1 test 100 in 22 matches in SA & Aus forever dented Root's atg status aint nothing gonna change that .. Root must be the only ATG bat with only 1 x 100 in SA & Aus, an exclusive club for sure, I give you that

Pakistanis hanging on to any Tom Joe and Harry in desperation if the name mentioned is SRT, incredible how 1 man has so much control ...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Wanna know what Gill did in literally 2 matches what Sachin couldnt achieve in 24 years? Score 500+ runs

And with Gill's current series numbers he better than any Pakistani bat that ever stepped on the cricket field

 

[mominsaigol]

1 test 100 in 22 matches in SA & Aus forever dented Root's atg status aint nothing gonna change that .. Root must be the only ATG bat with only 1 x 100 in SA & Aus, an exclusive club for sure, I give you that

Pakistanis hanging on to any Tom Joe and Harry in desperation if the name mentioned is SRT, incredible how 1 man has so much control ...

Ofcourse you dont give a damn about what people think. I 100% agree on that lol.

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS, PLEASE WATCH YOUR POSTS...
NO PERSONAL STUFF

 

[Technics 1210]

Root has already made up his reputation as one of the ATG in red ball. No propaganda can damage that fact

It's not Root the world of cricket does not trust, its the BCCI and their petty antics. Root is already >>> Tendulkar.

ECB shouldn't allow Root to travel to India for a series if he's a few 100 runs within the record. Its for his own safety. The crazy cult would do anything to protect their century losing god.

 

[Mamoon]

I was right, Mamoon selectively only chose part of year stats for 2021 after he said root avg 100 for the year 2021 which turned out to be false. After I questioned him he changed his stance to say it was only for part of year and not the whole year.

Who cares about 700, my boy Gill might get 800 by the end of next match

I didn’t change my stance. You misinterpreted what I said, even though I wrote very simple English and there was no room for confusion.

This is what I wrote in my original post:

“He averaged 100 vs India in 2021 series with Bumrah firing on all cylinders.”

Post #18

https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...joe-root-or-steven-smith.318468/post-12675987

What part of “2021 series” is confusing to you. Where did I imply that I am referring to the year 2021?

You made a claim that Root cannot average 100 in a series with Bumrah playing and firing on all cylinders and I corrected you.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I didn’t change my stance. You misinterpreted what I said, even though I wrote very simple English and there was no room for confusion.

This is what I wrote in my original post:

“He averaged 100 vs India in 2021 series with Bumrah firing on all cylinders.”

Post #18

https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...joe-root-or-steven-smith.318468/post-12675987

What part of “2021 series” is confusing to you. Where did I imply that I am referring to the year 2021?

You made a claim that Root cannot average 100 in a series with Bumrah playing and firing on all cylinders and I corrected you.

Yes I know, initially I was only looking at the games played in 2021, where Root played India 6 times for the whole year and avged 85. The link you posted on that earlier thread showed the 1 extra test match in 2022 which was played at the later date when Indians ran away from IPL... I already reacted to your post in the other thread...

I was trolling the kid......