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Joe Root vs Sachin Tendulkar comparison

@Rajdeep lagacy is subjective, u can have different legacy to different people, i cant argue on how you percieve his legacy, and the only reason hes mentioned so much on this forum is cos its been inundated by indians. pak fans mostly rated dravid and sehwag better than tendu in red ball cricket. as far as pak india tests go, hes not even in the all time top 10 batsmen from both nations.

@jnaveen1980 hobbs played 23 years too, but had a world war to deal with, imagine if he played the same number of tests root does? tendu pbly wouldnt have even come close to his aggregate. but thats a stupid thing to say, cos all these what ifs dont matter in the greater context. tendu sits on top of the hill of test run scorers, and if root overtakes him then he wont be.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
@The Bald Eagle I would like to nominate @Narayana59 for POTW.

Since he has had multiple excellent posts he should be given the award for the next 8 weeks at a minimum and each post stickied every week.

He has produced some ground breaking analysis here that we are privileged to read and learn from.
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So do I @The Bald Eagle , I have not seen a Pakistani poster with an Indian name defend a competitor of SRT with this much passion.

Credit where it is due 👏 😇


Narayana Narayana 😁
 
Rajdeep said:
Tendulkar's legacy is his records in both red and white ball cricket which has accumulated playing for 24 years at the top playing bowlers across 3 generations in a country like India under amidst pressure.

Tendulkar's legacy is it is taking multiple players from modern generation to break his records in instalments - Kohli in ODIs, Root in Tests etc.

Tendulkar's legacy is Sir Don Bradman himself called him as the best batsman he has seen bat after him.

Tendulkar's legacy is he is still most discussed cricketer even in a Pakistani forum 12+ years after his retirement.

#FACTS
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Tendulkar is forever benchmark for many. Even yesterday in SCG test they were frequently disucssing about Tendulkar when he put away cover drive for the entire innings.
 
ElRaja said:
@Rajdeep lagacy is subjective, u can have different legacy to different people, i cant argue on how you percieve his legacy, and the only reason hes mentioned so much on this forum is cos its been inundated by indians. pak fans mostly rated dravid and sehwag better than tendu in red ball cricket. as far as pak india tests go, hes not even in the all time top 10 batsmen from both nations.

@jnaveen1980 hobbs played 23 years too, but had a world war to deal with, imagine if he played the same number of tests root does? tendu pbly wouldnt have even come close to his aggregate. but thats a stupid thing to say, cos all these what ifs dont matter in the greater context. tendu sits on top of the hill of test run scorers, and if root overtakes him then he wont be.
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IN the 90s atleast 10 players played more tests than Tendulkar. Lara played close


Tendulkar 69 tests 109 innings 5626 runs 58 average
Lara 65 tests 112 innings 5573 runs 51 average.

Healy played 102 tests.

Let us take last 10 years

Joe Root 126 tests 229 innings
Stokes 99 tests 176 innings 2nd highest.


Do you see the diference. Atleast do some research. Comparing Hobbs from world war era with Tendulkar who played uninterrupted is naive. That affected everyone
 
jnaveen1980 said:
IN the 90s atleast 10 players played more tests than Tendulkar. Lara played close


Tendulkar 69 tests 109 innings 5626 runs 58 average
Lara 65 tests 112 innings 5573 runs 51 average.

Healy played 102 tests.

Let us take last 10 years

Joe Root 126 tests 229 innings
Stokes 99 tests 176 innings 2nd highest.


Do you see the diference. Atleast do some research. Comparing Hobbs from world war era with Tendulkar who played uninterrupted is naive. That affected everyone
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no difference, we are talking about a record which is absolute, the number of games played, the number of time taken is immaterial.
 
ElRaja said:
no difference, we are talking about a record which is absolute, the number of games played, the number of time taken is immaterial.
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It is not immaterial. It matters due to varying form. How many tests you play when you are absolute peak. That plays a big part. Kohli played a lot of tests at his absolute peak. Hence he rapidly got to 50 plus average. Just 3 years of bad form now he is hitting barely above 47 as his game in other format impacted his Test format. Root is largely a one format batsman. Even in ODIs he was more an anchor.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This argument makes no sense. Nobody ever compared Sachin with Bradman except Bradman himself who in his own words said "He reminded me of myself". Anderson surpassed Shane warne. Will anyone rate Anderson over Warne?I guess not. Besides Tendulkar started his career in 1989. Never got dropped for performance since his debut till 2012. That is a total of 23 years. Root played so many tests in 12 years. That is not exactly "longevity". Imagine Tendulkar playing 160 tests by 2002? 12 yeasr an average career for most batsmen.

When Joe root played his first Ashes test in 2013 the open bowler was Mitch starc. Current one also has Mitch starc. His career is not that long . Iit just that he had the opportunity of playing so many tests in so little time because England gets 2 5 test series these days. India neve had that. Maximum 3 tests. That's it. I am sure people will co nsider that. Plus Sachin was a quintessential ODI giant. Root is largely a one format player.

He is a good guy. I wish him well. Nobody will despise him going past sachin.I am not sure why you guys get more nervous than Indian fans lol
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Joe Root averages 50+ in 5 host countries
Sachin Tendulkar - only 2 Host countries (and all of his records against eng is just farmers bashing)

Joe Root is way better in quality.
 
Narayana59 said:
Joe Root averages 50+ in 5 host countries
Sachin Tendulkar - only 2 Host countries (and all of his records against eng is just farmers bashing)

Joe Root is way better in quality.
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That is an arbitrary metric. He didn't average 50 in two of the biggest teams in his era. India and Austarlia. Besides Tendulkar played over a period of 23 years where slumps are common. Root played all his tests in one era. So it is a ******** comparison to begin with.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
That is an arbitrary metric. He didn't average 50 in two of the biggest teams in his era. India and Austarlia. Besides Tendulkar played over a period of 23 years where slumps are common. Root played all his tests in one era. So it is a ******** comparison to begin with.
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Sachin era best attack - South Africa with bowling AVG -26.7
Did sachin AVGed 50+ in South Africa?
Infact he was averaging 37-38 in South Africa till 2009 Even after playing 5-6 tours before his last tour (some road pitches were there where even ms Dhoni and gambhir bashed steyn for fun and that was peak steyn).

And Root Australia attack is way better 23 bowling average and India 26 bowling average
So it's not even a debate.

Sachin odi record is all about playing truckloads of Matches in ODIs
And he was a below average ODIs batsman with extremely poor away records.
In 90s decade alone sachin played 250-300 ODIs matches
And AVGed higher overall
But in 90s Asian pitches were flat in ODIs and in SENAW countries
He AVGed a terrible 29 when his contemporary batsman like Lara AVGed 40+ in away condition in SENAW where batting was actually very tough in 90s.

Reality of Sachin ODIs career in 90s
Epsncricinfo exposed his flat track bashing brutally when the 90s era ended -

Now let's look at those figures again. In all one-day internationals, Tendulkar averages 43.40 � 48.06 at home and 39.25 away. In all of Asia, he averages a majestic 46.82 with 25 centuries; in the rest of the world, he joins the mortals at 36.16. Further dissect this and a pattern emerges. His combined average in Australia, South Africa, West Indies and England is an ordinary 31.81. Add in New Zealand and Canada, and the average creeps up to 33.06, still a full ten points below his career figure.
However, 25 of his 29 centuries have been scored in Asia, which places his century rate in Asia at one every 5.2 innings, compared with 15.25 outside. Furthermore, three of his four hundreds outside Asia have come against not-so-threatening Zimbabwe. And the other one? Against Kenya in a World Cup preliminary game in England.


 
Narayana59 said:
Sachin era best attack - South Africa with bowling AVG -26.7
Did sachin AVGed 50+ in South Africa?
Infact he was averaging 37-38 in South Africa till 2009 Even after playing 5-6 tours before his last tour (some road pitches were there where even ms Dhoni and gambhir bashed steyn for fun and that was peak steyn).

And Root Australia attack is way better 23 bowling average and India 26 bowling average
So it's not even a debate.

Sachin odi record is all about playing truckloads of Matches in ODIs
And he was a below average ODIs batsman with extremely poor away records.
In 90s decade alone sachin played 250-300 ODIs matches
And AVGed higher overall
But in 90s Asian pitches were flat in ODIs and in SENAW countries
He AVGed a terrible 29 when his contemporary batsman like Lara AVGed 40+ in away condition in SENAW where batting was actually very tough in 90s.

Reality of Sachin ODIs career in 90s
Epsncricinfo exposed his flat track bashing brutally when the 90s era ended -

Now let's look at those figures again. In all one-day internationals, Tendulkar averages 43.40 � 48.06 at home and 39.25 away. In all of Asia, he averages a majestic 46.82 with 25 centuries; in the rest of the world, he joins the mortals at 36.16. Further dissect this and a pattern emerges. His combined average in Australia, South Africa, West Indies and England is an ordinary 31.81. Add in New Zealand and Canada, and the average creeps up to 33.06, still a full ten points below his career figure.
However, 25 of his 29 centuries have been scored in Asia, which places his century rate in Asia at one every 5.2 innings, compared with 15.25 outside. Furthermore, three of his four hundreds outside Asia have come against not-so-threatening Zimbabwe. And the other one? Against Kenya in a World Cup preliminary game in England.


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Bowling average of a team depends on batting quality, pitch conditions, pitch familiarity, pitch frequency, DRS which tendulkar suffered a lot. You are just number crunching here ignoring the wide range of variables.

Stats can be twisted anyway you want


Jaiswal and ROot has played 10 matches against each other

Jaiswal 10 tests 1123 runs 62.38 average
ROot 10 tests 857 runs 50.41 average


Jaiswal averages more in Australia than Root. HE just happened to play in the same era against same set of bowlers. IT makes your life a lot easier.
 
I still remember how ROot was standing there like a timid cat against Mitchell Johnson's bouncers. He was trolling him. He was standing there like a little girl giggling not knowing what to do. You are comparing a dominating batsman with a statpadder.
 
Hitman said:
Tendulkar reached 14,000 Test runs in 279 innings.

Root has played 295 Test innings so far and is at 13,762 runs.

:qdkcheeky
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That's 18 innings more than Sachin Tendulkar now, and still hasn't reached 14,000 Test runs.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I still remember how ROot was standing there like a timid cat against Mitchell Johnson's bouncers. He was trolling him. He was standing there like a little girl giggling not knowing what to do. You are comparing a dominating batsman with a statpadder.
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jnaveen1980 said:
I still remember how ROot was standing there like a timid cat against Mitchell Johnson's bouncers. He was trolling him. He was standing there like a little girl giggling not knowing what to do. You are comparing a dominating batsman with a statpadder.
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Root is a statpadder but to be fair to him majority of the top bats would struggle against Johnson at his best. The way Johnson wrecked Kallis and co in south Africa they could barely put bat on ball.
 
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This was a good knock at a critical time but it still came against an Aussie lineup missing three main bowlers (Cummins, Lyon, Hazlewood). This attack is even worse than the one India faced in 2003(Gillespie, Lee, Macgill, Bichel).
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
This was a good knock at a critical time but it still came against an Aussie lineup missing three main bowlers (Cummins, Lyon, Hazlewood). This attack is even worse than the one India faced in 2003(Gillespie, Lee, Macgill, Bichel).
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Yes.. Cummins bowls a peach every 10 or 15 balls. That is potency is missing here. Also Josh is taller than Boland, Neser. So he gets extra lfit around the off stump channel. Having said that lack of bounce is the main reason why Root was comfortable.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
This was a good knock at a critical time but it still came against an Aussie lineup missing three main bowlers (Cummins, Lyon, Hazlewood). This attack is even worse than the one India faced in 2003(Gillespie, Lee, Macgill, Bichel).
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How gracefully you ignored boland the kohli eater 😂
 
Joe Root is a class kid, if anyone beats SRTs record I hope it's him.

And most importantly it will be Pakistan's greatest triumph since its creation, it will bring peace and harmony to the ppl of the country who had not experienced much of anything positive since its creation...

The power of SRT, one man single handedly controlling the fate of a country that he is not from..

Alhamdulillah......
 
Romali_rotti said:
Joe Root is a class kid, if anyone beats SRTs record I hope it's him.

And most importantly it will be Pakistan's greatest triumph since its creation, it will bring peace and harmony to the ppl of the country who had not experienced much of anything positive since its creation...

The power of SRT, one man single handedly controlling the fate of a country that he is not from..

Alhamdulillah......
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Alhumdulilah indeed. We will rejoice hand in hand will all non Indians worldwide when this great day arrives.

Om shanti to you and @Hitman in advance bro.
 
As a loyal fan of Sachin Tendulkar, I would like to congratulate Joe Root and his fans, because jealousy and Sachin simply don't go hand in hand. Barring one or two minor controversies, Sachin largely stayed away from such negativity, and as his admirer, it's my responsibility to reflect the same spirit toward those trying to pull Root down merely because he is nearing a Sachin record.

The amount of crying and jealousy on display in this thread by some fellow Indians is honestly facepalm worthy. It feels like they can't stand seeing anyone progress. Don't give hate to Sachin because of these idiots. Sachin himself would be the first to congratulate Root if he breaks the record, because he knows his legacy lives on in the memory and history of fans who have followed him for decades. :inti

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DeadlyVenom said:
Alhumdulilah indeed. We will rejoice hand in hand will all non Indians worldwide when this great day arrives.

Om shanti to you and @Hitman in advance bro.
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No need for OM Shanti, I will be celebrating with you as a proud NRI knowing SRT brought everlasting peace and happiness to Pakistan...

Let's shake hands and smile cuz when the moment arrives. Inshallah

😇😊
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
As a loyal fan of Sachin Tendulkar, I would like to congratulate Joe Root and his fans, because jealousy and Sachin simply don't go hand in hand. Barring one or two minor controversies, Sachin largely stayed away from such negativity, and as his admirer, it's my responsibility to reflect the same spirit toward those trying to pull Root down merely because he is nearing a Sachin record.

The amount of crying and jealousy on display in this thread by some fellow Indians is honestly facepalm worthy. It feels like they can't stand seeing anyone progress. Don't give hate to Sachin because of these idiots. Sachin himself would be the first to congratulate Root if he breaks the record, because he knows his legacy lives on in the memory and history of fans who have followed him for decades. :inti

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Sachin is the best ever in ODIs+ test.

So sachin fan's shouldn't worry about anyone being superior than him test cricket m
 
@Narayana59 yesterday you were giving all big stats about only 6 out of 32 innings Sachin played in Australia had Mcgrath in it etc. Do you count this century of Root considering Cummins, Hazelwood and Lyon is not playing?
 
Rajdeep said:
@Narayana59 yesterday you were giving all big stats about only 6 out of 32 innings Sachin played in Australia had Mcgrath in it etc. Do you count this century of Root considering Cummins, Hazelwood and Lyon is not playing?
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For that check the bowling average of McGrath era Bolwers at home when he is absent
And check that stats of Scotty Boland and nessar in Australia.
I am sure you will not ask any rubbish question again.
 
Narayana59 said:
For that check the bowling average of McGrath era Bolwers at home when he is absent
And check that stats of Scotty Boland and nessar in Australia.
I am sure you will not ask any rubbish question again.
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Nesser played 4 test matches and Boland just 18. Are you saying they are better bowlers than Cummins and Hazelwood?

I am amazed at your hypocrisy. Then again, remember you are in my hit list now...be prepared to get asked many uncomfortable questions like this. No running away now.
 
Rajdeep said:
Nesser played 4 test matches and Boland just 18. Are you saying they are better bowlers than Cummins and Hazelwood?

I am amazed at your hypocrisy. Then again, remember you are in my hit list now...be prepared to get asked many uncomfortable questions like this. No running away now.
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Bro firstly you are very poor at guessing the quality of bowlers

Boland averages 15 in aus not 18

Hazlewood, Starc, Lyon plays in NSW along with Smith
But they are always lose like a minnows to Scotty Boland's led victoria Bowling attacks.

In Australia Boland is better than hazlewood by a big margin.
 
Rajdeep said:
Nesser played 4 test matches and Boland just 18. Are you saying they are better bowlers than Cummins and Hazelwood?

I am amazed at your hypocrisy. Then again, remember you are in my hit list now...be prepared to get asked many uncomfortable questions like this. No running away now.
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Cummins hazlewood Starc couldn't beat India in Australian pitches in 2021,2018

Even in Perth 2024 these big 3 lose against India .



Scot boland is the main reason why Australia finally managed to beat India in a home BGT series.
 
Narayana59 said:
Bro firstly you are very poor at guessing the quality of bowlers

Boland averages 15 in aus not 18

Hazlewood, Starc, Lyon plays in NSW along with Smith
But they are always lose like a minnows to Scotty Boland's led victoria Bowling attacks.

In Australia Boland is better than hazlewood by a big margin.
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:facepalm


I said Boland only played 18 test matches and Nesser only 4. Not talking about their avgs. When the sample size is that small, you cannot compare avgs.

Asking you again - Root scored this century against an attack without Cummins, Hazelwood and Lloyn. Will you add any asterisk in it or not like you were dissecting the data for Sachin as how many times he faced an attack consisting McGrath?
 
Rajdeep said:
:facepalm


I said Boland only played 18 test matches and Nesser only 4. Not talking about their avgs. When the sample size is that small, you cannot compare avgs.

Asking you again - Root scored this century against an attack without Cummins, Hazelwood and Lloyn. Will you add any asterisk in it or not like you were dissecting the data for Sachin as how many times he faced an attack consisting McGrath?
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Are you dumb
Check his career AVG ?

Did any of Cummins, hazlewood AVGed any where near Boland in his early career?

Let me tell you, according to cricviz - a analyst company which collects ball by ball data,
Boland is the most accurate Bowler in the history of test cricket even better than McGrath.

2nd things if you are determined to like a idiot
Atleast check what are the massive changes occured with the kookaburra ball since 2021
I have posted it already but you are such a spammer and troller who lacks basics level test knowledge but keep spamming the same thing again and again.

In sachin era - new ball used to become soft very soon after first 10-;15 overs

Now since kookaburra reinforcement - the ball is staying hard and seam movements remains prominent till upto 30-50 overs on AVG .

Go and learn how much tougher the Australian WTC era Pitches are compared to 90s.

Now imagine the Career of Sachin Tendulkar if he played against Boland,
Go and watch the highlights of Kohli BGT 2024.
 
Narayana59 said:
Are you dumb
Check his career AVG ?

Did any of Cummins, hazlewood AVGed any where near Boland in his early career?

Let me tell you, according to cricviz - a analyst company which collects ball by ball data,
Boland is the most accurate Bowler in the history of test cricket even better than McGrath.

2nd things if you are determined to like a idiot
Atleast check what are the massive changes occured with the kookaburra ball since 2021
I have posted it already but you are such a spammer and troller who lacks basics level test knowledge but keep spamming the same thing again and again.

In sachin era - new ball used to become soft very soon after first 10-;15 overs

Now since kookaburra reinforcement - the ball is staying hard and seam movements remains prominent till upto 30-50 overs on AVG .

Go and learn how much tougher the Australian WTC era Pitches are compared to 90s.

Now imagine the Career of Sachin Tendulkar if he played against Boland,
Go and watch the highlights of Kohli BGT 2024.
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You are comparing career avg of players with 4 and 18 test matches respectively and then calling others dumb :ROFLMAO:

Australia dont even play Boland in their playing XI when the big 3 fast bowlers are all fit.

Asking again - is there any asterisk of this Root's ton or not since this Australian bowling attack didnt had Cummins, Hazelwood and Lloyn? Not sure why this is so difficult to answer?

Why should I watch Kohli BGT tour 2024? Yes he struggled against Boland but also got a century in Perth in the same series. Kohli also avgs 47 in Australia and got 7 test centuries.
 
Narayana59 said:
Cummins hazlewood Starc couldn't beat India in Australian pitches in 2021,2018

Even in Perth 2024 these big 3 lose against India .



Scot boland is the main reason why Australia finally managed to beat India in a home BGT series.
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Errr no....that only shows Indian teams that toured Australia in 2018 & 2021 were gun sides with most players in their prime. They lost the BGT 2024 because they are now in transition. India also got whitewashed in last 2 home series against NZ and SA.

Any other excuse?

:kp
 
Boland averages 37 away from home.

If he was so great he wouldn’t be behind Cummins, Starc and Hazlewood in the pecking order. Aussie TM knows better.

Its idiotic to suggest otherwise. Scott Boland is basically Australias Axar Patel with inflated stats in home conditions.

@Narayana59 @Rajdeep
 
1) Most Test wickets: Murali.
2) Most Test centuries: Sachin.
3) Most Test runs: Sachin.
4) Highest Test score: Lara.
5) Highest team total: SL.

I hope Root will break #2 and #3. It can reduce Indian hubris a bit. :inti
 
Lets be brutally honest. Stats, Records, and Accomplishments - is an Indian trait.

Example : 100 First class centuries were achieved by Viv Richards, Mark Ramprakash, and Geoff Boycott. In step the Sachinistas, with their 100 100th agenda and got 1.2 Billion hooked to stats and records. 2011 was all orchestrated for SRT. The same Sachinistas were chest thumping BCCI's new found riches. Before all of this, Indians claimed they never followed cricket.

Fast forward to today. Indiana have been reduced to statistical warfare because their team has flopped post SRT retirement. 13 years at the top but no silverware to show for it other than a Woman's and Choker's T20 final cup and a cooked bank balance.

Now the very records which once provided a platform for Sachinistas, and Indian fans in general, is under threat.

Ask yourself, once SRT's record is broken, who and what else can Sachinista Sanghis cry about? Who else can the BCCI apologists boast about? These lot are universally hated on social media too, and from the looks if it, no full ICC tournament will ever be held in India.

So when Joe Root breaks Sachin's record, he will be doing the world of cricket a favour by silencing the 1.2 Billion that have done nothing but pollute (and destroy) the game of Cricket.
 
shaz619 said:
Somewhere in an obscure village of India, the pundips are whipping themselves
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Is that what you guys were doing until Tendulkar gatecashed you with first ever 200 in ODIs? :) Gen Z couldn't care less about Test matches or its records. Infact not even ODIs lol You guys have this fictious story that everyone is praying that ROot not getting it. 99% of hardcore Indian cricket fans know it is inevitable Root will surpass. And nobody has any qualms about it either. Nobody prayed more than Pak fans when it comes to protecting personal record. Afridi's record, Anwar's record. Both shattered
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Is that what you guys were doing until Tendulkar gatecashed you with first ever 200 in ODIs? :) Gen Z couldn't care less about Test matches or its records. Infact not even ODIs lol You guys have this fictious story that everyone is praying that ROot not getting it. 99% of hardcore Indian cricket fans know it is inevitable Root will surpass. And nobody has any qualms about it either. Nobody prayed more than Pak fans when it comes to protecting personal record. Afridi's record, Anwar's record. Both shattered
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This guy defo been whipping himself, keep crying pundit sahib 🤣
 
Technics 1210 said:
Lets be brutally honest. Stats, Records, and Accomplishments - is an Indian trait.

Example : 100 First class centuries were achieved by Viv Richards, Mark Ramprakash, and Geoff Boycott. In step the Sachinistas, with their 100 100th agenda and got 1.2 Billion hooked to stats and records. 2011 was all orchestrated for SRT. The same Sachinistas were chest thumping BCCI's new found riches. Before all of this, Indians claimed they never followed cricket.

Fast forward to today. Indiana have been reduced to statistical warfare because their team has flopped post SRT retirement. 13 years at the top but no silverware to show for it other than a Woman's and Choker's T20 final cup and a cooked bank balance.

Now the very records which once provided a platform for Sachinistas, and Indian fans in general, is under threat.

Ask yourself, once SRT's record is broken, who and what else can Sachinista Sanghis cry about? Who else can the BCCI apologists boast about? These lot are universally hated on social media too, and from the looks if it, no full ICC tournament will ever be held in India.

So when Joe Root breaks Sachin's record, he will be doing the world of cricket a favour by silencing the 1.2 Billion that have done nothing but pollute (and destroy) the game of Cricket.
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It is amazing that there are discussions after discussions obsessing with Root breaking Sachin's record and it is Indian trait to obsess with stats :ROFLMAO:

Well, atleast Indians are obsessing with their own player. Unlike Pakistanis who has made an Englishman their abbu just because their own country couldn't produce a batsman half the calibre of Tendulkar.

:dw :kp
 
Rajdeep said:
It is amazing that there are discussions after discussions obsessing with Root breaking Sachin's record and it is Indian trait to obsess with stats :ROFLMAO:

Well, atleast Indians are obsessing with their own player. Unlike Pakistanis who has made an Englishman their abbu just because their own country couldn't produce a batsman half the calibre of Tendulkar.

:dw :kp
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I think some are trying to cope with the fact after Starc became the highest wicket taker as a left arm seamer :) THey had that one record. That is gone now.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I think some are trying to cope with the fact after Starc became the highest wicket taker as a left arm seamer :) THey had that one record. That is gone now.
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If Root breaks Sachin's record of test runs - he will be considered a better batsman.

However, Starc already broken Wasim's wicket tally but he is not only inferior to Wasim but also levels below Hazelwood and Cummins. However, the same Hazelwood & Cummins is inferior to Nesser and Boland who apparently is more accurate than Mcgrath based on cricviz stats.

Regards,
@Narayana59

:salute
 
Technics 1210 said:
Lets be brutally honest. Stats, Records, and Accomplishments - is an Indian trait.

Example : 100 First class centuries were achieved by Viv Richards, Mark Ramprakash, and Geoff Boycott. In step the Sachinistas, with their 100 100th agenda and got 1.2 Billion hooked to stats and records. 2011 was all orchestrated for SRT. The same Sachinistas were chest thumping BCCI's new found riches. Before all of this, Indians claimed they never followed cricket.

Fast forward to today. Indiana have been reduced to statistical warfare because their team has flopped post SRT retirement. 13 years at the top but no silverware to show for it other than a Woman's and Choker's T20 final cup and a cooked bank balance.

Now the very records which once provided a platform for Sachinistas, and Indian fans in general, is under threat.

Ask yourself, once SRT's record is broken, who and what else can Sachinista Sanghis cry about? Who else can the BCCI apologists boast about? These lot are universally hated on social media too, and from the looks if it, no full ICC tournament will ever be held in India.

So when Joe Root breaks Sachin's record, he will be doing the world of cricket a favour by silencing the 1.2 Billion that have done nothing but pollute (and destroy) the game of Cricket.
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Top post.

Fully agree.

Indians are likely to change the goal posts once Root breaks Tendulkar's record. :qdkcheeky
 
Rajdeep said:
If Root breaks Sachin's record of test runs - he will be considered a better batsman.

However, Starc already broken Wasim's wicket tally but he is not only inferior to Wasim but also levels below Hazelwood and Cummins. However, the same Hazelwood & Cummins is inferior to Nesser and Boland who apparently is more accurate than Mcgrath based on cricviz stats.

Regards,
@Narayana59

:salute
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Happens when you do analysis without giving proper weightage to various factors. The raw stat analysts are amateure analysts. This guy seems like he has just learnt how to pull up stats from cricinfo lol Going overboard with it.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is not immaterial. It matters due to varying form. How many tests you play when you are absolute peak. That plays a big part. Kohli played a lot of tests at his absolute peak. Hence he rapidly got to 50 plus average. Just 3 years of bad form now he is hitting barely above 47 as his game in other format impacted his Test format. Root is largely a one format batsman. Even in ODIs he was more an anchor.
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varying form is immaterial over a whole career. we arent talking about peaks or troughs.
 
The last 2000 test runs for Joe Root came in at about 18 months.

The next 2000 test runs will be done and dusted in no time. In fact, Root may just score the record breaking run during the Ashes in England in 2027.
 
Technics 1210 said:
The last 2000 test runs for Joe Root came in at about 18 months.

The next 2000 test runs will be done and dusted in no time. In fact, Root may just score the record breaking run during the Ashes in England in 2027.
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Yup. He can definitely get the job done in 2 years. Maximum 3 years.
 
Temu Tendulkar only can score on flat pitch and against second string attack that's too in a dead rubber game.

Root is perfect example of statpadding .

:klopp :kp
 
Technics 1210 said:
The last 2000 test runs for Joe Root came in at about 18 months.

The next 2000 test runs will be done and dusted in no time. In fact, Root may just score the record breaking run during the Ashes in England in 2027.
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Looking forward to Joe Root V Tendulkars and Ashes v BGT trophy threads being bumped in 2027 there will be lots of tears
:ROFLMAO:
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Looking forward to Joe Root V Tendulkars and Ashes v BGT trophy threads being bumped in 2027 there will be lots of tears
:ROFLMAO:
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When Root scores the recording breaking run, that video will go viral. Then just in time SRT gets over it, Brook will then break his record sending SRT 3rd.

😂
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Cummins Hazlewood starc Lyons no doubt as a unit one of the very best in Test history.
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this post just shows how shallow modern day cricket fans are. Clearly most of you lost never ever experienced the Australian Golden Team era. No attack till date can match the fierceness McGrath, Fleming, Lee, Gillespie, Bichel, Warne brought

Same like what Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Razzaq and Saqlain brought for Pakistan

Donald, Pollock, Ntini, Hayward and Kallis for South Africa


there have been very few teams that have been able to provide fire power on all 5 fronts at a time. Something teams like new Zealand. India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh have never produced so far
 
Another Century on a patra pitch against second string bowling attacks. Slowly temu Tendulkar is cementing his legacy as FTB abd a highest degrees of a statpaddler. Well-done.

:klopp :kp
 
Rafale Nidhal Fan said:
this post just shows how shallow modern day cricket fans are. Clearly most of you lost never ever experienced the Australian Golden Team era. No attack till date can match the fierceness McGrath, Fleming, Lee, Gillespie, Bichel, Warne brought

Same like what Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Razzaq and Saqlain brought for Pakistan

Donald, Pollock, Ntini, Hayward and Kallis for South Africa


there have been very few teams that have been able to provide fire power on all 5 fronts at a time. Something teams like new Zealand. India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh have never produced so far
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When have i disregarded the Legends you've mentioned above. No doubt, Mcgrath warne Gillespie lee as a attack were incredible.

Same for what Pakistan had, and the west indies.

But surely, no one can deny the Current Australian test Attack is one of the very best seen. It covers every base required to be highly successful.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
England will continue to play 15 tests a year or so.
So it may only be an Englishman going past that 16k mark
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Are the new English batters good like Root? They seem like Bazball/T20 hacks.

It is also true for other countries. Batting quality has gone down. They are good for T20 batting but not Test batting.

Therefore, it is possible Root's record may not get broken if he gets there.
 
Rajdeep said:
Tendulkar's legacy is his records in both red and white ball cricket which has accumulated playing for 24 years at the top playing bowlers across 3 generations in a country like India under amidst pressure.

Tendulkar's legacy is it is taking multiple players from modern generation to break his records in instalments - Kohli in ODIs, Root in Tests etc.

Tendulkar's legacy is Sir Don Bradman himself called him as the best batsman he has seen bat after him.

Tendulkar's legacy is he is still most discussed cricketer even in a Pakistani forum 12+ years after his retirement.

#FACTS
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Funny part is entire pp was losing their mind 2 years back when Root had the potential chance to break Moyo's calendar year record lol If Root is getting anywhere close to the record you will see 180 degree shift :)
 
aboveandbeyond said:
When have i disregarded the Legends you've mentioned above. No doubt, Mcgrath warne Gillespie lee as a attack were incredible.

Same for what Pakistan had, and the west indies.

But surely, no one can deny the Current Australian test Attack is one of the very best seen. It covers every base required to be highly successful.
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current is not even close to being the best ever.

Back then, it was almost impossible for teams to cross 300+ against Australia and it was a rare site when teams did so.

india winning that 2001 test series was celebrated by every nation except Australia. Tells you how top and lethal that Australian side was
 
Rafale Nidhal Fan said:
current is not even close to being the best ever.

Back then, it was almost impossible for teams to cross 300+ against Australia and it was a rare site when teams did so.

india winning that 2001 test series was celebrated by every nation except Australia. Tells you how top and lethal that Australian side was
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So what you are saying is Tendulkar played in a tougher era against better bowlers compared to Root.

Right?
 
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