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Joe Root vs Sachin Tendulkar comparison

Pakistanis have insulted this beautiful game of cricket by comparing a meek version of Tendulkar, aka, Joe Root with the legendary Sachin Tendulkar. :srt

They will forever be seen as dark powerless enemies of this beautiful game.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
English fans are not really happy about Root one bit. IRonically Nasser referred to Tendulkar putting away cover drive in Australia as an example that English players like Pope should have followed. Similarly Root was doing the exact same mistake over and over. Bit like Kohli. Kept on trying to tap the rising ball to third man.
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Root only technical glitch is the corridor of uncertainty of which Cummins and Hazlewood are masters at maintaining that line with abit of away nip which entices a genuine knick to the keeper or slips, its nothing to do with "Tapping"
Just watch the mode of his dismissals against these 2 bowlers
 
Will Temu Tendulkar be able to score a century at The 'G' as Australia are going to play without three key bowlers - Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon?

:kp
 
Michael Clarke picks Steve Snith over Root and then Lara over Smith and eventually Sachin over Lara

Battle of #4s

 
An England players who can't score runs in Australia.

Only Pakistanis will call him an ATG.
 
Temu Tendulkar scored yet another duck 🦆 in australia. Kha Sachin kr kha ye FTB .koi comparison ni hai. :klopp :kp
 
This is getting into a humiliating territory for British Pakistanis. Their only hope, Root, has failed to step up like a man and was sent back home after an embarrassing 0(15).
 
He's going to feast on NZ, Pakistani bowlers in the English summer.

Gonna be double hundreds.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The journey is unimportant.

He just needs to get to 15922.
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Without a great average and memorable knocks, it wouldn't be the same.

Remember the buzz here when Amjed bhai reached 100k posts.
It wasn't the same when Justcrazy bhai overtook him.

Lets be honest in cricketing terms, Sachin is Amjed bhai and Joe Root is Juscrazy
 
If Root was Indian, he could've been hyped as the greatest batter of all time.

Since he is not an Indian, he doesn't get as much hype. :inti
 
Tendulkar - Ball temperer.
Root - Clean.

Tendulkar - Overhyped by Indians.
Root - Not overhyped.

Averages - both have similar averages.

Matches - Root played 161 Tests and Tendulkar played 200.

Root wins because he is already near Tendulkar despite playing 39 less Tests. :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
Tendulkar - Ball temperer.
Root - Clean.

Tendulkar - Overhyped by Indians.
Root - Not overhyped.

Averages - both have similar averages.

Matches - Root played 161 Tests and Tendulkar played 200.

Root wins because he is already near Tendulkar despite playing 39 less Tests. :inti
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Tendulkar reached 14,000 Test runs in 279 innings.

Root has played 295 Test innings so far and is at 13,762 runs.

:qdkcheeky
 
sweep_shot said:
You have to look at overall stats and consider everything. Not just a specific point. :inti
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What I mentioned are knock out stats that blows your lies off. It compares the number of innings they took to reach 14,000 Test runs. Root has already played 16 more Test innings than Tendulkar when the latter reached 14,000 Test runs, and Root is yet to reach the same. That speaks volumes that he is a second class player compared to Tendulkar.

What overall stats? That Root has 1 century in Australia? Or that he averages less than 40 against Australia? Try manipulating young kids who don't have much knowledge of cricket in the 90's, because when you speak to me, you are speaking to your father . :qdkcheeky​
 
Joe Root passing Tendulkar's run tally will be like Gavaskar going past Bradman's 29 test centuries
 
He will easily go past it unless he picks up an injury. Root plays a lot of test matches. IT is a matter of time. You can create a trophy Babaroot Trophy in 20 years from now.
 
Hitman said:
Tendulkar reached 14,000 Test runs in 279 innings.

Root has played 295 Test innings so far and is at 13,762 runs.

:qdkcheeky
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So now Root has played 296 innings and has still not reached 14,000 runs (currently at 13,777 runs).
 
Reminds me of Kapil Dev vs Wasim Akram - who has more test wickets when they retire?
 
Root has had a bad Australia tour yet again... But he managed to score his maiden century and that is the only achievement for him... Going past Sachin is getting difficult for him if he is losing his form.
 
Really disappointing series from Joe Root.

When series was alive he couldn't rise to occasion. He got one personal success with good century but atleast on 3 critical inns with game on line he was tagged and bagged by Aus pace attack cheaply.

Unlikely he will return to Aus again so the never having an impactful series in away Ashes will stick to his career.
 
Root is now less than 2100 runs away from surpassing Tendulkar.

I think he should get the job done in 3 years. Maybe by 2029. :inti

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jeeteshssaxena said:
Post in thread 'Who was the greater batsmen between Sachin Tendulkar and Don Bradman?'
https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...endulkar-and-don-bradman.294378/post-10775905

Just putting this here so that people can see that how easily PP admins bought Mamoon.
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tbf joe root has had an amazing last five years, in what is the hardest era to bat, so i think @Mamoon should get some credit for being aware enough to change his views to the changing facts. also he pbly got tired of listening to psychophantic indian fans hating on root just out of their own insecurity.
 
I think if Root can get 3 more series in Pakistan he will break the record. Those Pakistani Phattas are legendary and especially for a bat like Root.
 
Joe Root is keep breaking all the records of Sachin Tendulkar without playing against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh farmer s on regular basis.

Joe Root is better against top 8 teams
Sachin was , is, will be forever better than Root against zim ban.
No doubt about this.
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The reality of "Average Joe," who apparently can't bat in Australia ,An eye-opening post


Currently majority of Indian fans and Joe Root haters like most of the Smith fans and Kohli fans thinks Joe Root is not a goat test batsman because he AVGes “**only 37 in Australia** “ !!!

But what if I tell you that
“Only 37 AVG “ is way higher than this simple raw numbers suggests if you see the context behind it ?
37 AVG is not bad for a opener in WTC era right?

Here's why that only 37 AVG worth much more than just 37 -

Sachin Tendulkar is considered as the best visiting batsman in Australia in modern era,
So i compared Joe Root Only 37 AVG with the best visiting batsman in Australia to see why that only 37 AVG is legendary for an **opener**

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Comparison based on their role, condition and entry point and the effect of entry point in their performances -
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Detailed entry points of both of them in Australia - Joe Root basically played as a opener in his 44 percentage of innings.

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Effect of early entry point on Thier performance in Australia-qcclive.quora.com_212186189.jpg

Performance when entry point is not early
Here sachin statapaded massively on that sydney road and another road to increase his AVG to 50+.
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The conclusion- you should never judge a player based on raw average , that only 37 for a player who played almost half of his innings as a opener is much more than
the raw number suggests.

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@Narayana59 do you think Mitchel Starc is a better bowler than Wasim Akram since he has now broken Wasim's wicket tally in test cricket?
 
I think Starc is better than someone like lee, but he's not even better than gillespie and hazlewood because they're high quality while starc has remarkable longevity and fitness.
Starc has better Career but hazlewood and gillespie and better bowler,(not sure about gillespie because he was very ineffective in absence of McGrath,)
 
Narayana59 said:
No way
Starc avereges 29+ with red ball cricket.
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Starc averages 26 in Test cricket.

So let’s be absolutely clear about the double standards here. Joe Root is routinely called a better batsman than Sachin Tendulkar, even though Root has not broken Sachin’s record for most Test runs and never will at this rate. Root averages ~50, while Sachin averaged 54, across a much tougher era with far superior bowling attacks and significantly more pressure.

But suddenly, when the same statistical logic is applied to bowlers, it’s “different.” Starc is never allowed into the Wasim Akram conversation, despite the fact that Starc has already surpassed Wasim’s Test wicket tally, and the difference in bowling average is a mere 2.8 runs (Wasim 23.2, Starc 26).

Now comes the predictable excuse of pink-ball Tests. Funny how context is weaponized only when it suits the argument. If we strip out pink-ball Tests entirely, Starc’s red-ball-only average is ~28—still just 5 runs worse than Wasim. That gap is hardly massive, especially considering modern batting-friendly pitches, heavier bats, flatter tracks, and rule changes that overwhelmingly favor batsmen.

Yet somehow, context is mandatory when downplaying Starc but completely optional when downplaying Sachin’s achievements. No mention of the attacks Sachin faced, the lack of batting depth around him, or the pressure of carrying an entire nation’s expectations for two decades.

So which is it? Either era, conditions, and opposition matter, or they don’t. You can’t cherry-pick context for one comparison and ignore it for another. That isn’t analysis, that’s bias dressed up as objectivity.

Remember you are carrying a Narayana personna here. Atleast give it sometime before exposing yourself so blatantly in open forum.

#Rajdeep
 
Appreciate the detailed effort on entry point data analysis but it is unfortunately worthless since it excludes 2 out of Sachin's 5 tours to Aus.

Any conclusion drawn out from thereon is a flawed analysis.

Anyway put all numbers and one eyed arguments aside, we all know Sachin is skill wise and results wise a level above Joe Root.

I wish Root all the best. Records are meant to be broken and what he has achieved in his career in a difficult era for batting mostly is an amazing achievement. He will be disappointed that he could not bring a tour de force performance in his last visit to Aus while series was alive
 
Rajdeep said:
Starc averages 26 in Test cricket.

So let’s be absolutely clear about the double standards here. Joe Root is routinely called a better batsman than Sachin Tendulkar, even though Root has not broken Sachin’s record for most Test runs and never will at this rate. Root averages ~50, while Sachin averaged 54, across a much tougher era with far superior bowling attacks and significantly more pressure.

But suddenly, when the same statistical logic is applied to bowlers, it’s “different.” Starc is never allowed into the Wasim Akram conversation, despite the fact that Starc has already surpassed Wasim’s Test wicket tally, and the difference in bowling average is a mere 2.8 runs (Wasim 23.2, Starc 26).

Now comes the predictable excuse of pink-ball Tests. Funny how context is weaponized only when it suits the argument. If we strip out pink-ball Tests entirely, Starc’s red-ball-only average is ~28—still just 5 runs worse than Wasim. That gap is hardly massive, especially considering modern batting-friendly pitches, heavier bats, flatter tracks, and rule changes that overwhelmingly favor batsmen.

Yet somehow, context is mandatory when downplaying Starc but completely optional when downplaying Sachin’s achievements. No mention of the attacks Sachin faced, the lack of batting depth around him, or the pressure of carrying an entire nation’s expectations for two decades.

So which is it? Either era, conditions, and opposition matter, or they don’t. You can’t cherry-pick context for one comparison and ignore it for another. That isn’t analysis, that’s bias dressed up as objectivity.

Remember you are carrying a Narayana personna here. Atleast give it sometime before exposing yourself so blatantly in open forum.

#Rajdeep
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You have very poor knowledge of test cricket bro.
Wasim Akram Sena record are elite and only bumrah has better numbers.
If you say bumrah is better then i will agree with you yeah bumrah is actually better than Wasim.
But Starc,?


If you say he is better than Waqar then i will agree with you.

I mean Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram are two very different quality bowler


Mitchell Starc Vs Waqar Younis -

Starc Vs Top 4 teams of his career ( SENI )
* 70 matches
* 274 wickets
* 3.91 WPM
* 28.53 AVG
* 3.55 Eco
* 48.1 SR
* 5fer / 10 fers - 10 /1
* Percentage of 5fers Vs top 4 teams - 10/18 =55 percent.


In away condition Vs Top 4 teams
* 24 matches
* 82 wickets
* 3.41 WPM
* AVG -33.74
* Eco -3.82
* 53 SR
* 5 fers - 4


Waqar Younis Vs Top 4 teams of his era ( Sa,aus,wi, ind)
* 36 matches
* 117 wickets
* 3.25 WPM
* 28.86 AVG
* 3.42 Eco
* 50.5 SR
* 5fers/ 10 fers - 4/1
* Percentage of 5 fers Vs top 4 teams - 4/22 = 18 percentage
In away condition Vs Top 4 teams
* 20 matches
* 60 wickets
* 3 WPM
* AVG= 31.36
* Eco= 3.33
* 56.4 SR
* 5 fers -2
* 10 fers -1.

Waqar Against lower rank teams -
80 wickets against Zim and ban at an extraordinary AVG of 17.65.

Starc also has better longevity.
So Starc is significantly better than Waqar Younis.
 
pratiktc said:
Appreciate the detailed effort on entry point data analysis but it is unfortunately worthless since it excludes 2 out of Sachin's 5 tours to Aus.

Any conclusion drawn out from thereon is a flawed analysis.

Anyway put all numbers and one eyed arguments aside, we all know Sachin is skill wise and results wise a level above Joe Root.

I wish Root all the best. Records are meant to be broken and what he has achieved in his career in a difficult era for batting mostly is an amazing achievement. He will be disappointed that he could not bring a tour de force performance in his last visit to Aus while series was alive
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Firstly
In his first tour he batted at no 5 or no 6
So his entry point might be significantly letter i guess.

Do you know sachin averaged 65 in Draws (almost 6k runs) compared to root 61 AVG (2k ) runs
But in results oriented matches or non draws matches Vs top 8 teams
Sachin AVGed 46.1 compared to root 50+
While in away condition Sachin AVGed only 42 in results matches Vs top 8 teams.
Root away AVG is also significantly better.
 
Narayana59 said:
Firstly
In his first tour he batted at no 5 or no 6
So his entry point might be significantly letter i guess.

Do you know sachin averaged 65 in Draws (almost 6k runs) compared to root 61 AVG (2k ) runs
But in results oriented matches or non draws matches Vs top 8 teams
Sachin AVGed 46.1 compared to root 50+
While in away condition Sachin AVGed only 42 in results matches Vs top 8 teams.
Root away AVG is also significantly better.
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Root is considered better batsman than Sachin on the assumption that former will surpass Sachin's run tally in test cricket.

In that same token, Starc is a better bowler than Wasim since he already surpassed Wasim's wicket tally.

I personally dont believe Starc is a better bowler just that I dont think Root is a better batsman but just exposing the hypocrisy.

You have lots of time and simply dissecting the stats. If I use ChatGPT and Cricinfo, I can also present many alternate stats but that will take discussion in another direction.

Joe Root is a Virat Kohli level test batsman.

Steve Smith is better than them.

But no modern batter can be compared to SRT.
 
Rajdeep said:
Starc averages 26 in Test cricket.

So let’s be absolutely clear about the double standards here. Joe Root is routinely called a better batsman than Sachin Tendulkar, even though Root has not broken Sachin’s record for most Test runs and never will at this rate. Root averages ~50, while Sachin averaged 54, across a much tougher era with far superior bowling attacks and significantly more pressure.

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But suddenly, when the same statistical logic is applied to bowlers, it’s “different.” Starc is never allowed into the Wasim Akram conversation, despite the fact that Starc has already surpassed Wasim’s Test wicket tally, and the difference in bowling average is a mere 2.8 runs (Wasim 23.2, Starc 26).

Now comes the predictable excuse of pink-ball Tests. Funny how context is weaponized only when it suits the argument. If we strip out pink-ball Tests entirely, Starc’s red-ball-only average is ~28—still just 5 runs worse than Wasim. That gap is hardly massive, especially considering modern batting-friendly pitches, heavier bats, flatter tracks, and rule changes that overwhelmingly favor batsmen.

Yet somehow, context is mandatory when downplaying Starc but completely optional when downplaying Sachin’s achievements. No mention of the attacks Sachin faced, the lack of batting depth around him, or the pressure of carrying an entire nation’s expectations for two decades.

So which is it? Either era, conditions, and opposition matter, or they don’t. You can’t cherry-pick context for one comparison and ignore it for another. That isn’t analysis, that’s bias dressed up as objectivity.

Remember you are carrying a Narayana personna here. Atleast give it sometime before exposing yourself so blatantly in open forum.

#Rajdeep
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I am pretty sure Sachin didn't played a single match in 2016-2025 decade the toughest decade since 1915 wwi

This is the biggest Joke
Because you simply know anything about the meaning of a bowling attack?
Do you?
Yes McGrath, Murali, Warne, Ambrose and Wasim were better Bolwers .
But these 3-5 bowlers make a attack , against whom sachin played throughout his career,?

This is why, i have calculated all bowling attack for root and sachin to break your nostalgic delusion forever!
Here's the stats of root and sachin - their batting AVG by opposition bowling average in their matches.

Opposition bowling average,= bowling attack which you are talking about+ condition.

As you can see except sa
All bowling attack (ofcourse and pitch or conditions )for root are way tougher than Sachin.
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Which era is tougher ? @Rajdeep
I am sure you are blinded by nostalgic delusion but please see the below image and open your eyes brother, it's still not too latewww.quora.com_1918217245.png
 
Are you laughing because
Sachin AVGed a pathetic 40 against his Arch rivals Pakistan
Where rest of Ind top 7 AVGED 52.34
And Pakistan bowling attack AVGed 47.58 ?
 
Narayana59 said:
I am pretty sure Sachin didn't played a single match in 2016-2025 decade the toughest decade since 1915 wwi

This is the biggest Joke
Because you simply know anything about the meaning of a bowling attack?
Do you?
Yes McGrath, Murali, Warne, Ambrose and Wasim were better Bolwers .
But these 3-5 bowlers make a attack , against whom sachin played throughout his career,?

This is why, i have calculated all bowling attack for root and sachin to break your nostalgic delusion forever!
Here's the stats of root and sachin - their batting AVG by opposition bowling average in their matches.

Opposition bowling average,= bowling attack which you are talking about+ condition.

As you can see except sa
All bowling attack (ofcourse and pitch or conditions )for root are way tougher than Sachin.
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What kind of absurd and illogical post is this? :rp

Okay before I respond, pls clarify what do you mean by below:

Yes McGrath, Murali, Warne, Ambrose and Wasim were better Bolwers .
But these 3-5 bowlers make a attack , against whom sachin played throughout his career,?
 
Rajdeep said:
What kind of absurd and illogical post is this? :rp

Okay before I respond, pls clarify what do you mean by below:

Yes McGrath, Murali, Warne, Ambrose and Wasim were better Bolwers .
But these 3-5 bowlers make a attack , against whom sachin played throughout his career,?
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Firstly, we are talking about Test cricket.
Sachin played 38 innings in Australia, but only six of those were against Glenn McGrath. You seem confused about the definition of a bowling "attack." Since he played the remaining 32 innings against second-string Australian teams or lower-quality attacks, the opposition's bowling average against Sachin was 30.00, compared to 23.00 for Joe Root.
Do you understand?
Furthermore, Sachin played zero innings in Pakistan during the 1990s in the presence of Wasim Akram. This means almost all of the innings he played in Pakistan were against a weak attack. Additionally, Sachin played only four matches in the presence of Curtly Ambrose.
In total, he played only ten matches against the era's best Test bowlers out of his 200 matches. This indicates that he played the vast majority of his career against weak bowling attacks.
 
@Rajdeep
McGrath+ Ambrose+ Wasim- 10 matches out of 200

Now Murali?
90s sl was like Bangladesh where every Indian batsman feasted for fun on highways.
So it's useless because sachin scored all the runs against minnows sl of 90s.

Yeah he faced more quality South Africa bowlers than current crops so that's why i think sachin is One of top 3 visiting batsman in South Africa.

So any more excuses left?
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Narayana59 said:
Are you laughing because
Sachin AVGed a pathetic 40 against his Arch rivals Pakistan
Where rest of Ind top 7 AVGED 52.34
And Pakistan bowling attack AVGed 47.58 ?
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Since when did average against one specific opponent become the gold standard for judging a batsman?

Sehwag averages 91 against Pakistan in Test cricket. Does that suddenly make him the greatest Test batsman of all time? Of course not. Selective opponent-based stats prove nothing in isolation.

Those of us who actually watched Tendulkar bat, rather than blindly worshipping spreadsheets, know this already. His Chennai 1999 innings against Pakistan remains one of the greatest Test knocks ever played—against peak Akram and Saqlain, with a broken back, on a turning track, while the rest of the batting collapsed around him. Cricket is a team sport; even a genius can’t win Tests single-handedly if everyone else fails.

Now let’s apply the same scrutiny to Joe Root. Root averages ~40 against Australia overall, and that number drops to ~35 in Australia—against an attack that is strong, yes, but hardly unprecedented compared to what Sachin routinely faced in the 90s and early 2000s.

So if poor numbers against Pakistan are supposedly a stick to beat Sachin with, what do Root’s middling Ashes returns say about him? Or does context suddenly matter again when it’s inconvenient?

You can’t elevate Root by slicing stats opponent-by-opponent while dismissing iconic match-defining innings that were produced under extreme pressure. That isn’t serious cricket analysis—it’s cherry-picking to suit a narrative.
 
@Rajdeep
Indian batting line up was apparently very weak in 90s era right?
Sachin was a one man army?

But what about minnows bashing in 90s ?
Against those poor 90s sl, eng, nz Bolwers these so called weak Indian batting line up performed like peak Australia of 00s -

Vs 90s sl, nz, eng

Sachin Tendulkar - 2990 Runs at 74.7 AVG with 13 💯

S Ganguly - 1442 Runs at 75.89 with AVG 7 💯

M Azharuddin - 2229 Runs at 60 .2 AVG with 9 💯

R Dravid - 1261 Runs at 61.75 with 4 💯

Sidhu - 1500 - 49 AVG -5 💯

V Kombli - 793 at 61 AVG with 3 💯.
 
Narayana59 said:
Firstly, we are talking about Test cricket.
Sachin played 38 innings in Australia, but only six of those were against Glenn McGrath. You seem confused about the definition of a bowling "attack." Since he played the remaining 32 innings against second-string Australian teams or lower-quality attacks, the opposition's bowling average against Sachin was 30.00, compared to 23.00 for Joe Root.
Do you understand?
Furthermore, Sachin played zero innings in Pakistan during the 1990s in the presence of Wasim Akram. This means almost all of the innings he played in Pakistan were against a weak attack. Additionally, Sachin played only four matches in the presence of Curtly Ambrose.
In total, he played only ten matches against the era's best Test bowlers out of his 200 matches. This indicates that he played the vast majority of his career against weak bowling attacks.
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When you’re comparing batsmen across eras, this kind of nit-picking isn’t just weak—it’s embarrassing. Arguments like “only 6 of his 38 innings in Australia were against McGrath” or “he never faced Wasim in Pakistan in the 90s” or “he played only four Tests when Ambrose was around” aren’t analysis; they’re the last refuge of someone who’s already lost the debate. :ROFLMAO:

None of these claims are even properly verified, by the way. They’re just recycled talking points. But let’s be generous and accept them anyway. Even then, the logic completely collapses. If you slice careers this selectively, every player in history can be made to look better or worse depending on how creatively you butcher the data.

Why stop where it’s convenient? Why not point out that Wasim Akram barely bowled to Sachin during Sachin’s absolute prime in the 90s? Why not mention that Sachin scored two Test hundreds in Australia as an 18-year-old, something Joe Root couldn’t manage for most of his career? Funny how these “nuances” only surface when they help your narrative.

This is precisely why serious cross-era comparisons don’t indulge in this nonsense. You judge players on entire careers, not cherry-picked windows and hypothetical matchups. Total runs. Career average. Longevity. Performance across conditions over 15–20 years.

By every one of those objective measures, Sachin Tendulkar is ahead of Joe Root. There’s no gray area here. Once you strip away the selective trivia and armchair gymnastics, the conclusion is brutal and unavoidable:

Sachin isn’t just better than Root—he’s on a different level altogether.
 
Sachin faced proper bowling attack in ODIs in Australia
That's why he avereged a pathetic 29 in Australia with only 1 centuries in numerous matches (20-40+) .

Okay arguing with you is similar to showing a lense or mirror to a blind person.
Keep hyping his zim ban numbers.

Just root needs 3 more centuries to match sachin centuries tally against non zim ban.
Then everyone will compare them without zim ban and sachin fan's meltdown will be hilarious to see.
Till then keep hyping zim ban numbers bro.
 
Let’s kill this debate with numbers first, because feelings and nostalgia merchants don’t survive there.

Pure Output ​

Sachin Tendulkar
  • Runs: 15,921
  • Average: 53.8
  • Tests: 200
  • 100s / 50s: 51 / 68
Joe Root (so far)
  • Runs: ~12,000+
  • Average: ~50
  • Tests: 140+
  • 100s / 50s: 30+ / 60+
Even before context enters the room, Sachin is comfortably ahead in runs, average, centuries, and longevity. That alone should shut the door.

Now let’s talk context, since Root fans love it—selectively.

What Sachin Dealt With​

  • Bowled to by McGrath, Warne, Akram, Waqar, Donald, Pollock, Ambrose, Walsh, Murali
  • Uncovered pitches early in his career
  • No DRS, meaning a truckload of bad umpiring decisions
  • Minimal batting support for most of his career
  • Non-stop pressure as India’s sole hope for over 20 years

What Root Gets​

  • The most batting-friendly era in Test history
  • DRS safety net
  • Flatter pitches, heavier bats, shorter boundaries
  • Strong batting lineups around him
And after all these advantages, Root still averages 4 runs less than Sachin. That’s not a small gap—that’s the difference between legendary and merely great.

Away Record - Where Greats Separate​

  • Sachin: ~55 average away from home
  • Root: significantly lower, especially outside England and Asia
Great batsmen don’t farm runs at home—they dominate everywhere. Sachin did it for two decades. Root hasn’t.

Longevity & Consistency​

Sachin:
  • Elite from 16 to 38
  • Excelled across three different eras
  • Still finished with a 50+ average despite natural decline years
Root:
  • Excellent peak, no argument
  • Longevity not even in the same conversation
  • Multiple prolonged slumps Sachin simply didn’t have

Verdict (Since This Somehow Needs One)​

Joe Root is an all-time great and England’s best of his generation.

But Sachin Tendulkar operates on a higher tier entirely.

Trying to put Root above Sachin isn’t bold or insightful—it’s just stat-blind, context-blind fan fiction.

Btw, this is what Root himself has to say about Sachin




Debate over.

:shh










 
@Hitman have you read some of the absurd posts from brother @Narayana59 :ROFLMAO:

Root is apparently better than Sachin because someday in the future he might surpass Sachin’s Test run tally—despite currently averaging 4 runs less over his career.

But Starc, who has already surpassed Wasim Akram’s wicket tally, with just ~3 runs worse average, is not only “worse than Wasim” but somehow also inferior to Gillespie and Hazlewood.

Makes perfect sense 🤡

Next gem:

Sachin is a poor batsman because he averages ~40 vs Pakistan, even though he barely played them during the strongest phase of his career in the 90s.

But Root averaging ~40 vs Australia, his own arch-rivals, including a ~35 average in Australia, magically doesn’t count.

So arch-rival stats only matter when they’re used against Sachin. Got it.

Then comes the peak comedy:
“Sachin never faced Wasim in the 90s” and “only 6 innings against McGrath in Australia” are somehow fatal stains on Sachin’s career.

But we are not allowed to flip the logic and ask:
  • how often Wasim actually bowled to Sachin in Sachin’s prime, or
  • how often McGrath avoided elite batsmen outside Australia, or
  • why these microscopic filters are never applied symmetrically.
Apparently, nuance only exists to downgrade Sachin—never to evaluate Wasim, McGrath, Root, or anyone else.

Peak comedy from patriotic Indian poster @Narayana59

:salute :kp
 
Sachin is one of the greatest players of all time and is probably among the top 3-5 test batsman of all time.

Joe Root is an ATG but not a top 20 test batsman of all time.
 
Rajdeep said:
@Hitman have you read some of the absurd posts from brother @Narayana59 :ROFLMAO:

Root is apparently better than Sachin because someday in the future he might surpass Sachin’s Test run tally—despite currently averaging 4 runs less over his career.

But Starc, who has already surpassed Wasim Akram’s wicket tally, with just ~3 runs worse average, is not only “worse than Wasim” but somehow also inferior to Gillespie and Hazlewood.

Makes perfect sense 🤡

Next gem:

Sachin is a poor batsman because he averages ~40 vs Pakistan, even though he barely played them during the strongest phase of his career in the 90s.

But Root averaging ~40 vs Australia, his own arch-rivals, including a ~35 average in Australia, magically doesn’t count.

So arch-rival stats only matter when they’re used against Sachin. Got it.

Then comes the peak comedy:
“Sachin never faced Wasim in the 90s” and “only 6 innings against McGrath in Australia” are somehow fatal stains on Sachin’s career.

But we are not allowed to flip the logic and ask:
  • how often Wasim actually bowled to Sachin in Sachin’s prime, or
  • how often McGrath avoided elite batsmen outside Australia, or
  • why these microscopic filters are never applied symmetrically.
Apparently, nuance only exists to downgrade Sachin—never to evaluate Wasim, McGrath, Root, or anyone else.

Peak comedy from patriotic Indian poster @Narayana59

:salute :kp
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Chodo, yaar! Why bother engaging with people suffering from inferiority complex? We all know who will make it to an All Time World XI 99.9% of the time compiled by any credible source of the game irrespective of how much those jealous losers whine, moan and complaint, just like it has been till date.

Don't waste your time.​
 
Narayana59 said:
Sachin faced proper bowling attack in ODIs in Australia
That's why he avereged a pathetic 29 in Australia with only 1 centuries in numerous matches (20-40+) .

Okay arguing with you is similar to showing a lense or mirror to a blind person.
Keep hyping his zim ban numbers.

Just root needs 3 more centuries to match sachin centuries tally against non zim ban.
Then everyone will compare them without zim ban and sachin fan's meltdown will be hilarious to see.
Till then keep hyping zim ban numbers bro.
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Just checked, Sachin avgs 34.75 in Australia in ODIs. Same as Joe Root who avgs 35.10 there even though he plays in modern era of ODIs with field restrictions, 2 news balls etc. As I said, no one has time to verify these stats of yours that you posting but I just randomly checked one and its incorrect. You are a pure hater of Sachin, Admit it and jog on.
 
Rajdeep said:
Just checked, Sachin avgs 34.75 in Australia in ODIs. Same as Joe Root who avgs 35.10 there even though he plays in modern era of ODIs with field restrictions, 2 news balls etc. As I said, no one has time to verify these stats of yours that you posting but I just randomly checked one and its incorrect. You are a pure hater of Sachin, Admit it and jog on.
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This is why you should never check any stats again mate.
It's simply out of your reach.

Viv Richards avereged 56 in the toughest pitches ever in odis in aus and rightly regarded as the greatest ODIs batsman
But how on earth sachin fooled millions of @Rajdeep
by averaging a pathetic 29 (30 i mean) in aus and against the best team.

Root AVGes 37 in Australia mate
If 30 AVG sachin is top 3 ODIs batsman
Then 37 Joe Root easily clears everyone in test cricket except Don Bradman and Smith.

Are you really stupid that you can't see this logical reasoning?

Enough discussion with you.
Utterly spam like messages keeps coming from you with zero logical argument.
Absolutely pathetic.
Bye.

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Narayana59 said:
This is why you should never check any stats again mate.
It's simply out of your reach.

Viv Richards avereged 56 in the toughest pitches ever in odis in aus and rightly regarded as the greatest ODIs batsman
But how on earth sachin fooled millions of @Rajdeep
by averaging a pathetic 29 (30 i mean) in aus and against the best team.

Root AVGes 37 in Australia mate
If 30 AVG sachin is top 3 ODIs batsman
Then 37 Joe Root easily clears everyone in test cricket except Don Bradman and Smith.

Are you really stupid that you can't see this logical reasoning?

Enough discussion with you.
Utterly spam like messages keeps coming from you with zero logical argument.
Absolutely pathetic.
Bye.

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You said Sachin avgs 29 in Australia which is wrong...he avgs 34.75. Now you are saying - avg in Australia where the opposition is also Australia. This is something new criteria you have added which you have not mentioned before.

So based on the screenshot you have pasted above, is Rohit Sharma better batsman than Kohli, Sachin & Lara?

Also, if we use the same filters for test cricket, is Kapil, Bumrah, Kumble are better bowlers than Imran Khan and Wasim?

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When lies get caught, flip the argument to ODI cricket. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Why not stick to test cricket? Only a fool would compare SRT with Root in ODIs anyway. Below is the stats, using the same logic as yours, in test cricket

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This quickly has turned into a spam thread lol Man.. keep it short when you present an anlaysis.
 
the core of tendus legacy is his aggregate, if roots overtakes it, then tendu loses the only unequivocal record he has (assuming root scores a few more hundreds along the way), this is it. arguing root v tendu misses the point altogether, cos once his longevity record is gone, then bradman is the inarguable GOAT, and tendu is one of the 20 odd mortals who exist in the world of potential greatest mortals.
 
ElRaja said:
tbf joe root has had an amazing last five years, in what is the hardest era to bat, so i think @Mamoon should get some credit for being aware enough to change his views to the changing facts. also he pbly got tired of listening to psychophantic indian fans hating on root just out of their own insecurity.
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You are trying to eke out any sort of logic in his opinions, but believe me there is none.

Smith has only regressed in last 5 years but he is somehow better than Tendulkar now according to Mamoon 2.0. PP either bought him or he was always a bot account used by admins to create highlights.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
You are trying to eke out any sort of logic in his opinions, but believe me there is none.

Smith has only regressed in last 5 years but he is somehow better than Tendulkar now according to Mamoon 2.0. PP either bought him or he was always a bot account used by admins to create highlights.
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lol, hes a real guy, im guessing he pbly had enough exposure to indians online and eventually he broke. theres only so much a person can take.
 
ElRaja said:
the core of tendus legacy is his aggregate, if roots overtakes it, then tendu loses the only unequivocal record he has (assuming root scores a few more hundreds along the way), this is it. arguing root v tendu misses the point altogether, cos once his longevity record is gone, then bradman is the inarguable GOAT, and tendu is one of the 20 odd mortals who exist in the world of potential greatest mortals.
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This argument makes no sense. Nobody ever compared Sachin with Bradman except Bradman himself who in his own words said "He reminded me of myself". Anderson surpassed Shane warne. Will anyone rate Anderson over Warne?I guess not. Besides Tendulkar started his career in 1989. Never got dropped for performance since his debut till 2012. That is a total of 23 years. Root played so many tests in 12 years. That is not exactly "longevity". Imagine Tendulkar playing 160 tests by 2002? 12 yeasr an average career for most batsmen.

When Joe root played his first Ashes test in 2013 the open bowler was Mitch starc. Current one also has Mitch starc. His career is not that long . Iit just that he had the opportunity of playing so many tests in so little time because England gets 2 5 test series these days. India neve had that. Maximum 3 tests. That's it. I am sure people will co nsider that. Plus Sachin was a quintessential ODI giant. Root is largely a one format player.

He is a good guy. I wish him well. Nobody will despise him going past sachin.I am not sure why you guys get more nervous than Indian fans lol
 
ElRaja said:
the core of tendus legacy is his aggregate, if roots overtakes it, then tendu loses the only unequivocal record he has (assuming root scores a few more hundreds along the way), this is it. arguing root v tendu misses the point altogether, cos once his longevity record is gone, then bradman is the inarguable GOAT, and tendu is one of the 20 odd mortals who exist in the world of potential greatest mortals.
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Tendulkar's legacy is his records in both red and white ball cricket which has accumulated playing for 24 years at the top playing bowlers across 3 generations in a country like India under amidst pressure.

Tendulkar's legacy is it is taking multiple players from modern generation to break his records in instalments - Kohli in ODIs, Root in Tests etc.

Tendulkar's legacy is Sir Don Bradman himself called him as the best batsman he has seen bat after him.

Tendulkar's legacy is he is still most discussed cricketer even in a Pakistani forum 12+ years after his retirement.

#FACTS
 
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