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Joe Root vs Sachin Tendulkar comparison

jeeteshssaxena said:
I challenge you to list unique Root records that are not tied to longevity.
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Joe Root has 7 150+ scores as a captain and only Bradman and Kohli has got more 150+ scores as a captain.

Joe Root has scored 8800+ Runs at 49+ AVG against top 5 teams of his era which is already More than Sachin against best teams that too with a better average.
Where Sachin scored 8498 runs at 46.6 AVG against best teams of his era (90s aus, sa ,wi , pak + 00s sl ,eng , Aus ,sa , Pak )
 
Narayana59 said:
Joe Root has 7 150+ scores as a captain and only Bradman and Kohli has got more 150+ scores as a captain.

Joe Root has scored 8800+ Runs at 49+ AVG against top 5 teams of his era which is already More than Sachin against best teams that too with a better average.
Where Sachin scored 8498 runs at 46.6 AVG against best teams of his era (90s aus, sa ,wi , pak + 00s sl ,eng , Aus ,sa , Pak )
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None of the above are records.

If he is behind Bradman and Kohli that means the record belongs to Bradman and even if you remove him it belongs to Kohli.

Next?
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
None of the above are records.

If he is behind Bradman and Kohli that means the record belongs to Bradman and even if you remove him it belongs to Kohli.

Next?
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Now Joe Root has more 50+ scores than Sachin even though Root has played around 40 less innings than Sachin.
 
You don't have any argument for Sachin other than trolling root?
Sachin AVG is 40+ in pak is only due to Rahul Dravid who stopped him from statspading yet another 200, so that not out helped his AVG.

Sachin home record against sa is terrible.

Root only struggled against aus, Sachin struggled against both best bowling teams of 00
 
Narayana59 said:
Now Joe Root has more 50+ scores than Sachin even though Root has played around 40 less innings than Sachin.
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That’s again based on Longevity

His innings per century is 7.38
Sachins innings per century 6.45

Sachin leads here too.

Also its not like Joe Root has the best innings per 50 stats. Its all based on longevity.
 
Narayana59 said:
You don't have any argument for Sachin other than trolling root?
Sachin AVG is 40+ in pak is only due to Rahul Dravid who stopped him from statspading yet another 200, so that not out helped his AVG.

Sachin home record against sa is terrible.

Root only struggled against aus, Sachin struggled against both best bowling teams of 00
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If Rahul didn’t stop him he would have gotten to a double century and still be not out, that would raise his average instead of reducing it.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
That’s again based on Longevity

His innings per century is 7.38
Sachins innings per century 6.45

Sachin leads here too.

Also its not like Joe Root has the best innings per 50 stats. Its all based on longevity.
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Sachin Tendulkar has 68/69 50+ scores in 329 innings
Joe Root has already break that record in 287-290 innings
 
Narayana59 said:
Sachin Tendulkar has 68/69 50+ scores in 329 innings
Joe Root has already break that record in 287-290 innings
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That’s because unlike Root, Sachin converted those 50s to centuries.

Root has 39 centuries plus 66 50s which means a total of 105 50 + scores in 288 innings. Thats is 288/105 which gives 2.74 innings per 50.

Sachin has 51 centuries plus 68 fifties, which is 119 50+ centuries in 329 innings.

That’s is 329/119 which gives 2.75, there is absolutely no difference?

Infact Roots conversation rate is llower than Sachin.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
That’s because unlike Root, Sachin converted those 50s to centuries.

Root has 39 centuries plus 66 50s which means a total of 105 50 + scores in 288 innings. Thats is 288/105 which gives 2.74 innings per 50.

Sachin has 51 centuries plus 68 fifties, which is 119 50+ centuries in 329 innings.

That’s is 329/119 which gives 2.75, there is absolutely no difference?

Infact Roots conversation rate is llower than
jeeteshssaxena said:
That’s because unlike Root, Sachin converted those 50s to centuries.

Root has 39 centuries plus 66 50s which means a total of 105 50 + scores in 288 innings. Thats is 288/105 which gives 2.74 innings per 50.

Sachin has 51 centuries plus 68 fifties, which is 119 50+ centuries in 329 innings.

That’s is 329/119 which gives 2.75, there is absolutely no difference?

Infact Roots conversation rate is llower than Sachin.
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jeeteshssaxena said:
That’s because unlike Root, Sachin converted those 50s to centuries.

Root has 39 centuries plus 66 50s which means a total of 105 50 + scores in 288 innings. Thats is 288/105 which gives 2.74 innings per 50.

Sachin has 51 centuries plus 68 fifties, which is 119 50+ centuries in 329 innings.

That’s is 329/119 which gives 2.75, there is absolutely no difference?

Infact Roots conversation rate is llower than Sachin
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Root plays more than 70 percent of matches against big 4 so lower conversion rate is expected.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
If thats the case then why does he have less centuries than Sachin against big 4 of his time?

Sachin has 29 , Root has 23
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I calculated about these stats 7 months ago
You are counting pak for Sachin means big 5 teams.
qcclive.quora.com

Best Test Batsmans Against Top 5 teams of their era Since 1990

90s era (Nov 1989- Dec 2000) Top 5 teams - Wi , Sa , Aus ,Pak and Ind Just because wi was strong till the retirement of Ambrose, walsh so i included year 2000 as well. 00 era ( Jan 2001-Dec 2009) - Top 5 teams - Aus , Eng, ind, sl , sa 2010s era ( Jan 2010- Dec 2019) - Top 5 teams - Senai 2...
qcclive.quora.com qcclive.quora.com
 
Ab Fan said:
Tendulkar is a better batsman.
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Understatement of the decade...LOL

I refuse to accept that Root is better than Kohli...let alone Goddy.

Stats can say whatever. Every Pakistani that is posting here will take Sachin or Kohli in their team in a heartbeat over Root.

#FACTS
 
Rajdeep said:
Understatement of the decade...LOL

I refuse to accept that Root is better than Kohli...let alone Goddy.

Stats can say whatever. Every Pakistani that is posting here will take Sachin or Kohli in their team in a heartbeat over Root.

#FACTS
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Then you must be refusing to accept Sachin as a better batsman than Kohli because Kohli played 121/210 innings in low scoring matches where Rpw less than 30 while sachin played only 103 /329 innings in low scoring matches.
 
Rajdeep said:
I refuse to accept that Root is better than Kohli...let alone Goddy.

Stats can say whatever. Every Pakistani that is posting here will take Sachin or Kohli in their team in a heartbeat over Root.
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Can't fathom a case for Kohli over Root in Test Cricket which extends beyond xenophobia.
 
JE Root (ENG
AVG 51.29
Match AVG -29.27568425
Match factors - 1.751965882


SR Tendulkar
AVG 53.78
Match average- 33.14812202
Match factor -1.622414686
 
Sachin played on the flattest ever pitches in srilanka while Steve Smith and joe root played majority of matches on galle rank turners where Jayasuriya has 7-8+ wpm . Screenshot_2025-09-15-21-50-55-37.jpg
 
Narayana59 said:
Sachin played on the flattest ever pitches in srilanka while Steve Smith and joe root played majority of matches on galle rank turners where Jayasuriya has 7-8+ wpm . View attachment 157855
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Only 2 countries where Sachin is currently better than Root
1- Australia (Joe Root needs an all timer series to overtake him, Joe Root is playing against way better attacks.)

2- South Africa because Sachin played against prime Donald, prime pollock on tough 90s sa pitches, also faced peak steyn.
 
Narayana59 said:
Only 2 countries where Sachin is currently better than Root
1- Australia (Joe Root needs an all timer series to overtake him, Joe Root is playing against way better attacks.)

2- South Africa because Sachin played against prime Donald, prime pollock on tough 90s sa pitches, also faced peak steyn.
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Isn't classic Australia > Current aus in terms of bowling lineup due to Mcgrath?
 
mominsaigol said:
Isn't classic Australia > Current aus in terms of bowling lineup due to Mcgrath?
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Cummins StarcHazlewood together are better than Bracken-Gillespie-Lee-Bichel

Mcgrath didn't play in the drawn BGS in 2003.

in 1999/00 Mcgrath Lee and Fleming did play against Ind but we were smacked left right and center
 
mominsaigol said:
Isn't classic Australia > Current aus in terms of bowling lineup due to Mcgrath?
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For Sachin vs Root Root has played against way better Bolwers because
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Sachin played 38 innings in Australia.
for a grand total of 6 of the 38 innings McGrath was there, IE 15%.
for a grand total of 9 of the 38 innings Warne was there, IE 23% and for 3 of them Warne was a debutant rookie.
for a grand total of 6 of the 38 innings, McWarne was there, IE 15%
for a grand total of 5 of the 38 innings, Jason Gillespie was there IE 13%.

Although McGrath is clearly better than any of the aus trio

It's debatable to say which attrack is better as in Australian conditions Cummins averages 19-20 , McGrath AVGed 22 , hazlewood averages 22 -23 ,


In away ashes lee and gillespie were mid bowlers.
 
mominsaigol said:
Waugh is the best and most impactful followed by Dravid vs WI and then Ponting. Then Ab 4th and Steve Smith 5th
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I think inzamam ul haq belongs to top 3

Ab AVGed 88 in those pitches where
gsmith AVGed 73 , Kallis AVGed 60+ , the Bolwers were terrible as we see from the batting AVG of rest of the team's members
Batting average involving abd in wi was 45 or 47.
 
Narayana59 said:
SPD Smith (AUS) -
-average 56.02
- match AVG 28.81930626
- match factor 1.943835826.
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That's too much precision after decimal for my eyes. :afridi

Sachin was the Roger Federer of Cricket, some Test specialist may surpass him in that particular format, but Sachin's talent remained unrivaled, he was as close to perfection as a batsman as you could find.
 
Comparison Fraud, statpadder Root to Tendulkar -The greatest Batsman of all time is a insulted.

Root is nothing just but a statpadder.

:klopp :kp
 
Narayana59 said:
For Sachin vs Root Root has played against way better Bolwers because
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Sachin played 38 innings in Australia.
for a grand total of 6 of the 38 innings McGrath was there, IE 15%.
for a grand total of 9 of the 38 innings Warne was there, IE 23% and for 3 of them Warne was a debutant rookie.
for a grand total of 6 of the 38 innings, McWarne was there, IE 15%
for a grand total of 5 of the 38 innings, Jason Gillespie was there IE 13%.

Although McGrath is clearly better than any of the aus trio

It's debatable to say which attrack is better as in Australian conditions Cummins averages 19-20 , McGrath AVGed 22 , hazlewood averages 22 -23 ,


In away ashes lee and gillespie were mid bowlers.
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Once again the brain dead mental gymnastics to put Sachin down. This has happened since the early 90s by jealous people

You know why I know this is dishonest? Because you haven't shown the same slide and dice with bowlers root faced and in australia, not at his home.



Sachin pwned warne.whenever they met yet you are trying to pretend warne not being there was a disadvantage.

Also doesn't have the brain cells to realize just because certain bowlers weren't there doesn't automatically conclude Sachin wouldnt have done better if those bowlers were present.

But the funniest thing is when you guys dorb realize that the same tired argument and the silly stay slice and dice has been done for Sachin since 40+ years. You are not doing anything new.

It's was pathetic then and it's pathetic now
 
I shudder to think how much worse Root would have fared against 90s/2000s Australia.
 
Root is on his way to another century... Can he score a hundred in Australia now???
 
Am a joe root fan, decent bloke, has humility in spades - hope he scores his Aus 100 and gets the monkey of his back......

And if and when he breaks the higher test scorer record....people here will dance more than they ever danced in their own/close family wedding....:afridi
 
Joe Root brings up his 40th Test ton.. His first in Australia.... WHat a knock this is
 
hassan918 said:
Root > Tendulkar in Test Cricket
Tendulkar > Root in ODI Cricket
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Root better in the only format that is comparable.
Comparing players of different eras in ODI's is nearly impossible because of the many changes in conditions.
 
Good innings against a second string Aussie attack. Now get that averages over 53.6 and then we will call him better than Sachin.
 
TheSultan said:
Indians phir se ro rahey hain!
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That's the difference.

Pakistan fans congratulate Starc on breaking Wasim's record today, meanwhile Indian fans have their voodoo dolls out for Root.

I wonder what the odds are on Tendulkar congratulating Root on when he breaks the record, even via a Tweet! Tendulkar doesn't have the sand let alone decency - a reflection of the majority of India - cemented on June 18th 2017.
 
Technics 1210 said:
That's the difference.

Pakistan fans congratulate Starc on breaking Wasim's record today, meanwhile Indian fans have their voodoo dolls out for Root.

I wonder what the odds are on Tendulkar congratulating Root on when he breaks the record, even via a Tweet! Tendulkar doesn't have the sand let alone decency - a reflection of the majority of India - cemented on June 18th 2017.
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No bitterness and it's nothing to do with India.

We will congratulate Kohli when he breaks Sachin most century record too.
 
Technics 1210 said:
That's the difference.

Pakistan fans congratulate Starc on breaking Wasim's record today, meanwhile Indian fans have their voodoo dolls out for Root.

I wonder what the odds are on Tendulkar congratulating Root on when he breaks the record, even via a Tweet! Tendulkar doesn't have the sand let alone decency - a reflection of the majority of India - cemented on June 18th 2017.
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I actually had no idea Starc was approaching any record held by Wasim.

And Starc’s reaction - humble and pure respect for Wasim.

As the old saying goes respect is commanded, not demanded!
 
Root and Steve smith are better end of story.

I'm tired of sachin and Ponting being overrated.

Tulla Afridi avg 37 in that so called era where sachin avg 53 not ti mention without Bangladesh and Zimbabwe sachin avg falls to 51.

And sachin was essentially a certified failure against anderson, Mcgrath and many others.

He's a good batsmen but greatest of all time my foot.

Root avg 51 in this era and smith avg 55 jn this ers is far > what sachin avg.

Imagine root playing 9 games vs Zimbabwe 🤡.
 
mominsaigol said:
Root and Steve smith are better end of story.

I'm tired of sachin and Ponting being overrated.

Tulla Afridi avg 37 in that so called era where sachin avg 53 not ti mention without Bangladesh and Zimbabwe sachin avg falls to 51.

And sachin was essentially a certified failure against anderson, Mcgrath and many others.

He's a good batsmen but greatest of all time my foot.

Root avg 51 in this era and smith avg 55 jn this ers is far > what sachin avg.

Imagine root playing 9 games vs Zimbabwe 🤡.
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This is the problem.

When Root eventually overtakes Sachin’s run tally, we will assess his performances. We’ll find strengths and weaknesses, successes, failures etc. just as we would with any batsman.

What we’ll normally conclude is - there is not much in it amongst many players - sangakarra, Viv, Kallis, Lara, Ponting, Gavaskar, tendi, root, smith etc etc.

The problem is with the Indians it’s this entitlement - “No, you must say Sachin is the greatest of all time”. If you respond with he was ok, but Lara was more entertaining / stylish…”No, you must say Sachin is the most stylish”. If you say “Dravid and Kallis were more dependable…. “No you must say tendi is the most dependable”!

It’s just such a ridiculous cult. A lot of players have similar averages, runs per matches.

All the stats are in front of everyone, Sachin was not an anomaly like the Don, move on.
 
TheSultan said:
This is the problem.

When Root eventually overtakes Sachin’s run tally, we will assess his performances. We’ll find strengths and weaknesses, successes, failures etc. just as we would with any batsman.

What we’ll normally conclude is - there is not much in it amongst many players - sangakarra, Viv, Kallis, Lara, Ponting, Gavaskar, tendi, root, smith etc etc.

The problem is with the Indians it’s this entitlement - “No, you must say Sachin is the greatest of all time”. If you respond with he was ok, but Lara was more entertaining / stylish…”No, you must say Sachin is the most stylish”. If you say “Dravid and Kallis were more dependable…. “No you must say tendi is the most dependable”!

It’s just such a ridiculous cult. A lot of players have similar averages, runs per matches.

All the stats are in front of everyone, Sachin was not an anomaly like the Don, move on.
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Sachin is a 51 avg batsmen in actuality if you remove minnows. And in this era he'd be a 48-49 avg test batter given how bowling friendly things have become.

He's nothing special in test cricket.
 
If Root plays for 4 more years, he should surpass Tendulkar.

600 runs a year is too easy for a player like Root.

He is around 35 years old. So, playing for 4 more years is doable.
 
sweep_shot said:
If Root plays for 4 more years, he should surpass Tendulkar.

600 runs a year is too easy for a player like Root.

He is around 35 years old. So, playing for 4 more years is doable.
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Funny enough Root now avg higher then Sachin in a bowling friendly era if you remove sachin stat padding vs Bangladesh and Zimbabwe 🤣🤣.
 
sweep_shot said:
LOL. True.

I think Root is better than Tendulkar.

Tendulkar just gets more hype because he is Indian. :inti
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Root and Smith are both better then Ponting and Tenda in test. And im saying this in regards to Ponting being my all time favourite batsmen.

Difference is im not biased. The old era is extremely overrated in test cricket. That era is honestly pathetic.

Its why I clown on Laxman as well. Laxman is a 30 avg test batsmen in this era.
 
mominsaigol said:
Root and Smith are both better then Ponting and Tenda in test. And im saying this in regards to Ponting being my all time favourite batsmen.

Difference is im not biased. The old era is extremely overrated in test cricket. That era is honestly pathetic.

Its why I clown on Laxman as well. Laxman is a 30 avg test batsmen in this era.
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For sure.

Ponting wasn't great in Asia. He had troubles against spin. Even a Kenyan spinner (Aasif Karim) troubled Ponting in 2003 WC.

Root and Smith can play all bowlers well.
 
sweep_shot said:
For sure.

Ponting wasn't great in Asia. He had troubles against spin. Even a Kenyan spinner (Aasif Karim) troubled Ponting in 2003 WC.

Root and Smith can play all bowlers well.
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Ponting is a great player and a good player of spin. Its not that he isn't.

But he got extremely friendly batting tracks in test cricket and in that era unless you were warne or murli, those pitches just weren't suited to spin.

Even the pitches that Ponting struggled on in India were no where near as tricky as the spin mambas we see in india, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc etc now adays
 
sweep_shot said:
For sure.

Ponting wasn't great in Asia. He had troubles against spin. Even a Kenyan spinner (Aasif Karim) troubled Ponting in 2003 WC.

Root and Smith can play all bowlers well.
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Ponting's technique was decent against slow spin but when a spinner spun it sharply and quickly, he would oftentimes over commit on front foot.
 
mominsaigol said:
Ponting is a great player and a good player of spin. Its not that he isn't.

But he got extremely friendly batting tracks in test cricket and in that era unless you were warne or murli, those pitches just weren't suited to spin.

Even the pitches that Ponting struggled on in India were no where near as tricky as the spin mambas we see in india, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc etc now adays
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Please do not take this personally or as an insult as I value your commentary but can you please state your age? I am astonished that anyone that saw Ponting bat can claim he got friendly pitches. That’s a ridiculous claim to make and the only reason why someone could make this argument is if they haven’t watched him play.
 
Mobashir said:
So you call those who average more than 53.6 better than Sachin ?
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No, but I need to have strong reasons to rate someone higher who actually averages less than Sachin.
Cos Sachin is literally batting perfection with a 40+ average in all countries and that too against the best pace attacks to ever exist.
I see absolutely no reason to rate Joe Higher. On the other hand I actually believe that Smith is better than Tendulkar and that hasn’t changed.

Root has a great peak but Sachins peak was better
Root has Longevity, Sachin still better
Root has a good away record, Sachins has a even better away record.

Root has faced some ATG bowlers, Sachin faced way more ATG bowlers.

Absolutely no reason why I would rate him higher.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sachin is a 51 avg batsmen in actuality if you remove minnows. And in this era he'd be a 48-49 avg test batter given how bowling friendly things have become.

He's nothing special in test cricket.
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Going by that Logi, can you evaluate how much Ricky Ponting will average? Cos if you remove 5 points from his average he lands right into Kohli and Amla territory and this is despite him playing majority of tests in the 2000s.
 
sweep_shot said:
LOL. True.

I think Root is better than Tendulkar.

Tendulkar just gets more hype because he is Indian. :inti
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Yup - Tendulkar has the fan following of 1 Billion, cos he broke on radio and helped his nation count to 100.

Root will be etched in the annals of cricketing folklore, if not for his Test achievements, for his personality alone.
 
SRT was always seen as an overall package (Tests + ODIs, of course no T20s), in the 90s as an ODI opening batsman he had very few equals and was ahead of pretty much all Subcon batsmen by a mile (the difference between him and even someone like Saeed Anwar was larger than Joe Root and another Test bat), as pure Test batsman even in his times he had other rivals, some would say even superiors (such as Brian Lara and Kallis).
 
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