Joe Root vs Sachin Tendulkar comparison

[ElRaja]

@Rajdeep lagacy is subjective, u can have different legacy to different people, i cant argue on how you percieve his legacy, and the only reason hes mentioned so much on this forum is cos its been inundated by indians. pak fans mostly rated dravid and sehwag better than tendu in red ball cricket. as far as pak india tests go, hes not even in the all time top 10 batsmen from both nations.

@jnaveen1980 hobbs played 23 years too, but had a world war to deal with, imagine if he played the same number of tests root does? tendu pbly wouldnt have even come close to his aggregate. but thats a stupid thing to say, cos all these what ifs dont matter in the greater context. tendu sits on top of the hill of test run scorers, and if root overtakes him then he wont be.

 

[Romali_rotti]

@The Bald Eagle I would like to nominate @Narayana59 for POTW.

Since he has had multiple excellent posts he should be given the award for the next 8 weeks at a minimum and each post stickied every week.

He has produced some ground breaking analysis here that we are privileged to read and learn from.

So do I @The Bald Eagle , I have not seen a Pakistani poster with an Indian name defend a competitor of SRT with this much passion.

Credit where it is due


Narayana Narayana

 

[jnaveen1980]

Tendulkar's legacy is his records in both red and white ball cricket which has accumulated playing for 24 years at the top playing bowlers across 3 generations in a country like India under amidst pressure.

Tendulkar's legacy is it is taking multiple players from modern generation to break his records in instalments - Kohli in ODIs, Root in Tests etc.

Tendulkar's legacy is Sir Don Bradman himself called him as the best batsman he has seen bat after him.

Tendulkar's legacy is he is still most discussed cricketer even in a Pakistani forum 12+ years after his retirement.

#FACTS

Tendulkar is forever benchmark for many. Even yesterday in SCG test they were frequently disucssing about Tendulkar when he put away cover drive for the entire innings.

 

[jnaveen1980]

@Rajdeep lagacy is subjective, u can have different legacy to different people, i cant argue on how you percieve his legacy, and the only reason hes mentioned so much on this forum is cos its been inundated by indians. pak fans mostly rated dravid and sehwag better than tendu in red ball cricket. as far as pak india tests go, hes not even in the all time top 10 batsmen from both nations.

@jnaveen1980 hobbs played 23 years too, but had a world war to deal with, imagine if he played the same number of tests root does? tendu pbly wouldnt have even come close to his aggregate. but thats a stupid thing to say, cos all these what ifs dont matter in the greater context. tendu sits on top of the hill of test run scorers, and if root overtakes him then he wont be.

IN the 90s atleast 10 players played more tests than Tendulkar. Lara played close


Tendulkar 69 tests 109 innings 5626 runs 58 average
Lara 65 tests 112 innings 5573 runs 51 average.

Healy played 102 tests.

Let us take last 10 years

Joe Root 126 tests 229 innings
Stokes 99 tests 176 innings 2nd highest.


Do you see the diference. Atleast do some research. Comparing Hobbs from world war era with Tendulkar who played uninterrupted is naive. That affected everyone

 

[ElRaja]

IN the 90s atleast 10 players played more tests than Tendulkar. Lara played close


Tendulkar 69 tests 109 innings 5626 runs 58 average
Lara 65 tests 112 innings 5573 runs 51 average.

Healy played 102 tests.

Let us take last 10 years

Joe Root 126 tests 229 innings
Stokes 99 tests 176 innings 2nd highest.


Do you see the diference. Atleast do some research. Comparing Hobbs from world war era with Tendulkar who played uninterrupted is naive. That affected everyone

no difference, we are talking about a record which is absolute, the number of games played, the number of time taken is immaterial.

 

[jnaveen1980]

no difference, we are talking about a record which is absolute, the number of games played, the number of time taken is immaterial.

It is not immaterial. It matters due to varying form. How many tests you play when you are absolute peak. That plays a big part. Kohli played a lot of tests at his absolute peak. Hence he rapidly got to 50 plus average. Just 3 years of bad form now he is hitting barely above 47 as his game in other format impacted his Test format. Root is largely a one format batsman. Even in ODIs he was more an anchor.

 

[Narayana59]

The most successful batsman against non associate d teams

 

[Narayana59]

This argument makes no sense. Nobody ever compared Sachin with Bradman except Bradman himself who in his own words said "He reminded me of myself". Anderson surpassed Shane warne. Will anyone rate Anderson over Warne?I guess not. Besides Tendulkar started his career in 1989. Never got dropped for performance since his debut till 2012. That is a total of 23 years. Root played so many tests in 12 years. That is not exactly "longevity". Imagine Tendulkar playing 160 tests by 2002? 12 yeasr an average career for most batsmen.

When Joe root played his first Ashes test in 2013 the open bowler was Mitch starc. Current one also has Mitch starc. His career is not that long . Iit just that he had the opportunity of playing so many tests in so little time because England gets 2 5 test series these days. India neve had that. Maximum 3 tests. That's it. I am sure people will co nsider that. Plus Sachin was a quintessential ODI giant. Root is largely a one format player.

He is a good guy. I wish him well. Nobody will despise him going past sachin.I am not sure why you guys get more nervous than Indian fans lol

Joe Root averages 50+ in 5 host countries
Sachin Tendulkar - only 2 Host countries (and all of his records against eng is just farmers bashing)

Joe Root is way better in quality.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Joe Root averages 50+ in 5 host countries
Sachin Tendulkar - only 2 Host countries (and all of his records against eng is just farmers bashing)

Joe Root is way better in quality.

That is an arbitrary metric. He didn't average 50 in two of the biggest teams in his era. India and Austarlia. Besides Tendulkar played over a period of 23 years where slumps are common. Root played all his tests in one era. So it is a ******** comparison to begin with.

 

[Narayana59]

That is an arbitrary metric. He didn't average 50 in two of the biggest teams in his era. India and Austarlia. Besides Tendulkar played over a period of 23 years where slumps are common. Root played all his tests in one era. So it is a ******** comparison to begin with.

Sachin era best attack - South Africa with bowling AVG -26.7
Did sachin AVGed 50+ in South Africa?
Infact he was averaging 37-38 in South Africa till 2009 Even after playing 5-6 tours before his last tour (some road pitches were there where even ms Dhoni and gambhir bashed steyn for fun and that was peak steyn).

And Root Australia attack is way better 23 bowling average and India 26 bowling average
So it's not even a debate.

Sachin odi record is all about playing truckloads of Matches in ODIs
And he was a below average ODIs batsman with extremely poor away records.
In 90s decade alone sachin played 250-300 ODIs matches
And AVGed higher overall
But in 90s Asian pitches were flat in ODIs and in SENAW countries
He AVGed a terrible 29 when his contemporary batsman like Lara AVGed 40+ in away condition in SENAW where batting was actually very tough in 90s.

Reality of Sachin ODIs career in 90s
Epsncricinfo exposed his flat track bashing brutally when the 90s era ended -

Now let's look at those figures again. In all one-day internationals, Tendulkar averages 43.40 � 48.06 at home and 39.25 away. In all of Asia, he averages a majestic 46.82 with 25 centuries; in the rest of the world, he joins the mortals at 36.16. Further dissect this and a pattern emerges. His combined average in Australia, South Africa, West Indies and England is an ordinary 31.81. Add in New Zealand and Canada, and the average creeps up to 33.06, still a full ten points below his career figure.
However, 25 of his 29 centuries have been scored in Asia, which places his century rate in Asia at one every 5.2 innings, compared with 15.25 outside. Furthermore, three of his four hundreds outside Asia have come against not-so-threatening Zimbabwe. And the other one? Against Kenya in a World Cup preliminary game in England.

Tendulkar: genius or flat-track bully?