[PICTURES] Is Joe Root’s reputation in danger due to Indian propaganda?

[mominsaigol]

How can that innings be a stain considering India went onto win that game?

I thought the accusation against him by Pakistanis was whenever he used to score century India used to lose?

Everyday I get to hear a new logic here.

And who had stained that innings? Not any Indians that I know off. Are you talking about Pakistanis who is yet to produce a batsman 25% of his calibre?

None of this is new. It's just that you have sachin's cord plugged in your head.

India went onto win that game but they would have drawn it had they not declared. Sachin's frustration was very visible in Asia game because he wanted to selfishly statpad.

You need to realise that Sachin is human, the problem with you Indians is that you overglorify him so much, one would think Sachin belongs in a bugs bunny cartoon rather then the real world.

Sachin is a human, He's a cricketer who had played atg innings in test cricket, but has also played rubbish innings or stat pad innings.

Similarly in tests and odi he's vanished when his team needed him the most but has also stepped up when needed.

He is no different then any other all time great cricketer who has Similarly done all these things.

Heck Sachin himself has also gone through rough patches with 2006 being the most notable.

You on the other hand potray him as some sort of folklore myth.

Similarly Sachin cannot be an undisputed no 1 if other cricketers surpass him in certain metrics like avg( Sanga in tests) or have outscored him year by year etc etc.

Don't get me wrong, Sachin surpasses sanga in metrics as well such as global performance but avg is a metric that sanga surpasses Sachin on hence debunking the undisputed claim.

Bradman was the only player in history who in his era had the most runs, Most Centuries most half centuries, Highest avg, Highest sr, Fastest century, most solo match wins, etc etc compared to any other player in his era.

In sachin's case not so much as their many players who outdo him in some metrics.

Regardless, This is the last time I will respond to you, as I feel like you will reply with some sort of Pakistani insult or prejudice and will say something stupid.

 

[Mamoon]

Poor Joe in the firing line of Indians just bcoz Pakistani's want him to do the dirty job for them bcoz their own country is incapable of producing a class batsman.

I actually admire Joe Root a lot as a batsman. However, you cannot compare him to an institution of batsmanship like Tendulkar. Rooty himself will laugh at the desperation of some here.

Pakistani fans will not consider a 42 averaging batsman as an “institution”. Sell the greatness of Tendulkar to someone to whom he showed his greatness.

 

[Rajdeep]

None of this is new. It's just that you have sachin's cord plugged in your head.

India went onto win that game but they would have drawn it had they not declared. Sachin's frustration was very visible in Asia game because he wanted to selfishly statpad.

You need to realise that Sachin is human, the problem with you Indians is that you overglorify him so much, one would think Sachin belongs in a bugs bunny cartoon rather then the real world.

Sachin is a human, He's a cricketer who had played atg innings in test cricket, but has also played rubbish innings or stat pad innings.

Similarly in tests and odi he's vanished when his team needed him the most but has also stepped up when needed.

He is no different then any other all time great cricketer who has Similarly done all these things.

Heck Sachin himself has also gone through rough patches with 2006 being the most notable.

You on the other hand potray him as some sort of folklore myth.

Similarly Sachin cannot be an undisputed no 1 if other cricketers surpass him in certain metrics like avg( Sanga in tests) or have outscored him year by year etc etc.

Don't get me wrong, Sachin surpasses sanga in metrics as well such as global performance but avg is a metric that sanga surpasses Sachin on hence debunking the undisputed claim.

Bradman was the only player in history who in his era had the most runs, Most Centuries most half centuries, Highest avg, Highest sr, Fastest century, most solo match wins, etc etc compared to any other player in his era.

In sachin's case not so much as their many players who outdo him in some metrics.

Regardless, This is the last time I will respond to you, as I feel like you will reply with some sort of Pakistani insult or prejudice and will say something stupid.

Another weird long post without saying much.

India won that Multan test by an innings and 42 runs with a day and half to spare.

Are you saying if Sachin had taken 30 more minutes to complete his double century, India would not have won that game? LOL.

Remember I told you yesterday, you are a good essay writer but have got zero clue about cricket.

Sachin's innings of 194 was perfect. He was told in the lunch break that he has 30 more mins to bat. However, Ganguly got paranoid, didnt wanted to let go the chance of winning the 1st series in Pakistan and asked Dravid to declare.

Pakistani's downplay that knock, well again due to simple reason - JEALOUSY.

 

[Rajdeep]

Pakistani fans will not consider a 42 averaging batsman as an “institution”. Sell the greatness of Tendulkar to someone to whom he showed his greatness.

Anyway, Sachin's 42 avg against Pakistan has been debated to death. He didnt play any test matches with Pakistan for better part of 90s. This is the same reason why Waqar Younis avg 52 with ball against India and Kohli has test avg of 0 against Pak.

Also, if you don't want to call Sachin a great batsman due to his 42 test avg vs Pakistan, don't you think its a bit rich calling Root an ATG based on 40 avg against Australia?

 

[mominsaigol]

Another weird long post without saying much.

India won that Multan test by an innings and 42 runs with a day and half to spare.

Are you saying if Sachin had taken 30 more minutes to complete his double century, India would not have won that game? LOL.

Remember I told you yesterday, you are a good essay writer but have got zero clue about cricket.

Sachin's innings of 194 was perfect. He was told in the lunch break that he has 30 more mins to bat. However, Ganguly got paranoid, didnt wanted to let go the chance of winning the 1st series in Pakistan and asked Dravid to declare.

Pakistani's downplay that knock, well again due to simple reason - JEALOUSY.

Sachin's innings of 194 was perfect.

Are you saying if Sachin had taken 30 more minutes to complete his double century, India would not have won that game? LOL.

However, Ganguly got paranoid, didnt wanted to let go the chance of winning the 1st series in Pakistan and asked Dravid to declare.

^^ The first 2 statments and the last one contradict each other.

If the innings is perfect and india would have won the game had Sachin batted longer then what's the purpose of ganguly getting paranoid and asking dravid to declare?

 

[mb3407]

Anyway, Sachin's 42 avg against Pakistan has been debated to death. He didnt play any test matches with Pakistan for better part of 90s. This is the same reason why Waqar Younis avg 52 with ball against India and Kohli has test avg of 0 against Pak.

Also, if you don't want to call Sachin a great batsman due to his 42 test avg vs Pakistan, don't you think its a bit rich calling Root an ATG based on 40 avg against Australia?

He has an agenda here

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Which is why Joe Root is terrible, he can't even score on a Sydney Phatta.

When it comes to Ashes, Australia generally prefer pitches that they dont prepare for other sides. You can see yourself in that series when Johnson went nuts that the pitches had a lot more pace and bounce than are prepared for other countries.

I don't think he is terrible but Aus is certainly a blot on his overall record. However most of the greats have similar blots. Nobody is perfect.

In my opinion if he can finish with a 50+ average then he is a great. If he finishes with a 50+ average and scores heavily in Aus or finishes with a 50+ average and beats Tendulkars record then he is the top tier category.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sachin scored a test century in Perth as an 18 year old.

Once you are in international cricket age doesn't matter.

 

[Romali_rotti]

When it comes to Ashes, Australia generally prefer pitches that they dont prepare for other sides. You can see yourself in that series when Johnson went nuts that the pitches had a lot more pace and bounce than are prepared for other countries.

I don't think he is terrible but Aus is certainly a blot on his overall record. However most of the greats have similar blots. Nobody is perfect.

In my opinion if he can finish with a 50+ average then he is a great. If he finishes with a 50+ average and scores heavily in Aus or finishes with a 50+ average and beats Tendulkars record then he is the top tier category.

To your first point:

Ohh right so aussies prepare flat wickets in Sydney for SRT but seaming tracks for Joe Root and co.

Lol you pakistanis are a funny lot, never seems to amaze me . Are you even reading what you are saying ??? Bruh come on...


To your last point:

A plain and simple NO, Joe Root failed to stand out in 14 attempts in Aus as of NOW, one series if he scores doesn't make him an atg, especially considering the Aussie bowlers are now old and about to retire.

Joe Root couldn't handle it when the aussie bowling was good, so scoring now on a concession card against players that are about to retire and aged dont count.

I don't think you Pakistanis realise this: even English fans are not thinking this desperately for Root to beat SRTs record like you lots are ..

SRT will always be king and he will always live rent free in your heads till end of time...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Once you are in international cricket age doesn't matter.

Yeah that's true because most young teenage kids just score 100s in Perth vs Aus for fun...

I agree it's a no biggie.

 

[FearlessRoar]

'What A Load Of Nonsense': Michael Vaughan Hits Out At Darren Lehmann's Comments Over Joe Root Lack Of Tons Down Under

Former Australian all-rounder Darren Lehmann’s comments on excluding ace England batter Joe Root from the list of all-time greats, over his lack of centuries in Australia, have not gone down well with former English international Michael Vaughan.

Root, who has been in scintillating form in recent years in Tests, is closing in on the 13,000 run mark with 35 tons under his belt, but hasn’t managed a triple figure down under, which Lehmann pointed out as a factor hurdling him from being included in the bracket of the greats.

“That’s the only thing stopping Joe Root. He’s a great player, but is he an all-time great? I don’t have him in that realm," Lehmann said.

Vaughan hit back at the Aussie southpaw over his claim as he held Root’s back by drawing parallels to legendary Indian batter Sachin Tendulkar.

“What a load of nonsense," Vaughan exclaimed.

“We’re talking about a player that could quite easily – if he stays fit and that back stays strong – surpass Sachin Tendulkar in a few years," the 50-year-old said.

Vaughan asserted that though bagging a ton in Australia would be a good marker, it wasn’t the be-all and end-all to define batting greatness.

“Just because he’s not got a hundred here in Australia, this isn’t the be-all and end-all," Vaughan said.

Vaughan further expressed his delight with how Root has been batting in recent times and added tat Lehmann’s comments could come back to bite him when England tour Australia in the upcoming year.

“You’d like to come here, and score runs. But he’ll come next year in the way that he’s playing in this England side now at four – playing the Joe Root way rather than the Bazball way – I’ve got a sneaky feeling that might come back to haunt Darren next year," Vuaghan said.

“He might get a couple of hundreds next year and the way that England are playing, particularly against this Kookaburra ball, I think it’s going to be a great contest," the former England batter added.

Root, however, was gracious enough to let the comment slide as he stated, “My job is to score runs, right? To turn up every game and try to do all I can out in the middle. His job is to give his opinion and talk on the radio."

“I’ll do my job and he can do his job. He’s completely entitled to say what he wants. That’s his right," Root added.

Lehmann clarified his comments stating, “Just to be clear as there are a lot of people who think , that I think Joe root is not a great . He is going to be a great, I know that and a wonderful ambassador for our game but needs and he will probably do this next ashes . Get a hundred in Aus and then no dispute."

'What A Load Of Nonsense': Michael Vaughan Hits Out At Darren Lehmann's Comments Over Joe Root Lack Of Tons Down Under - News18

Lehmann's comments on excluding ace England batter Root from the list of all-time greats, over his lack of centuries in Australia, have not gone down well with former English International Vaughan.

www.news18.com

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't think you Pakistanis realise this: even English fans are not thinking this desperately for Root to beat SRTs record like you lots are ..

SRT will always be king and he will always live rent free in your heads till end of time...

I am only presenting my argument.

But it seems like you are the one going around gauging the opinion and conducting surveys on Pakistanis, English, Aussies and Indians on Root.

That my friend is the actual definition of living rent free.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I am only presenting my argument.

But it seems like you are the one going around gauging the opinion and conducting surveys on Pakistanis, English, Aussies and Indians on Root.

That my friend is the actual definition of living rent free.

Wrong again cuz, i am only participating in a thread made by a Pakistani out of god knows how many threads that is connected to SRT..

We all know the strangle hold SRT has on you lot...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yeah that's true because most young teenage kids just score 100s in Perth vs Aus for fun...

I agree it's a no biggie.

Ok he is the god of scoring a test century in Australia between the ages of 18 and 19 in a match where his team lost by 300+ runs.

We can give him the gold medal for this.

 

[sweep_shot]

'What A Load Of Nonsense': Michael Vaughan Hits Out At Darren Lehmann's Comments Over Joe Root Lack Of Tons Down Under

Former Australian all-rounder Darren Lehmann’s comments on excluding ace England batter Joe Root from the list of all-time greats, over his lack of centuries in Australia, have not gone down well with former English international Michael Vaughan.

Root, who has been in scintillating form in recent years in Tests, is closing in on the 13,000 run mark with 35 tons under his belt, but hasn’t managed a triple figure down under, which Lehmann pointed out as a factor hurdling him from being included in the bracket of the greats.

“That’s the only thing stopping Joe Root. He’s a great player, but is he an all-time great? I don’t have him in that realm," Lehmann said.

Vaughan hit back at the Aussie southpaw over his claim as he held Root’s back by drawing parallels to legendary Indian batter Sachin Tendulkar.

“What a load of nonsense," Vaughan exclaimed.

“We’re talking about a player that could quite easily – if he stays fit and that back stays strong – surpass Sachin Tendulkar in a few years," the 50-year-old said.

Vaughan asserted that though bagging a ton in Australia would be a good marker, it wasn’t the be-all and end-all to define batting greatness.

“Just because he’s not got a hundred here in Australia, this isn’t the be-all and end-all," Vaughan said.

Vaughan further expressed his delight with how Root has been batting in recent times and added tat Lehmann’s comments could come back to bite him when England tour Australia in the upcoming year.

“You’d like to come here, and score runs. But he’ll come next year in the way that he’s playing in this England side now at four – playing the Joe Root way rather than the Bazball way – I’ve got a sneaky feeling that might come back to haunt Darren next year," Vuaghan said.

“He might get a couple of hundreds next year and the way that England are playing, particularly against this Kookaburra ball, I think it’s going to be a great contest," the former England batter added.

Root, however, was gracious enough to let the comment slide as he stated, “My job is to score runs, right? To turn up every game and try to do all I can out in the middle. His job is to give his opinion and talk on the radio."

“I’ll do my job and he can do his job. He’s completely entitled to say what he wants. That’s his right," Root added.

Lehmann clarified his comments stating, “Just to be clear as there are a lot of people who think , that I think Joe root is not a great . He is going to be a great, I know that and a wonderful ambassador for our game but needs and he will probably do this next ashes . Get a hundred in Aus and then no dispute."

'What A Load Of Nonsense': Michael Vaughan Hits Out At Darren Lehmann's Comments Over Joe Root Lack Of Tons Down Under - News18

Lehmann's comments on excluding ace England batter Root from the list of all-time greats, over his lack of centuries in Australia, have not gone down well with former English International Vaughan.

www.news18.com

I agree with Vaughan.

A batter should be judged based on overall performance. Not how he did in one particular country.

Root is an undisputed ATG. Anyone who has over 12,000 Test runs is an ATG.

 

[Buffet]

I think not scoring a ton in Aus is made a bigger deal than it should be. I mean, if Root was bossing in Ashes at home to make up for not bossing in Aus then I can understand focusing on no ton or whatever. He does not have a great record in Ashes. Here is entire Ashes record, not 5-10 tests, Root has played 34 Ashes tests home and away combined.

Root should be trying to be closer to Smith than Bell when it comes to output in Ashes specially if the test tally counts becomes 35-40 tests. Next series in Aus will take his test tally in Ashes to near 40 tests. For better or worse, no other test series is more important for Eng and Aus players than Ashes. It's defines their legacy. They prepare whole life for that and then if you get to play 40 tests in Ashes, you got to show your caliber to be rated among the greats.

Root entire Ashes home and away combined: 34 tests, avg 40 with 4 tons.




A big series in the next Ashes is something Root needs to do and help his team.

One random ton by huffiing and puffing won't mean much except it will stop many pointing out zero ton in Aus. I don't think zero ton or one ton makes much difference. Over all performance in Ashes makes a more difference and having a big series in Aus will make even more difference due to away conditions. Only true greats have been able to score heavily in tough tours.

All eyes on next series in Aus as far as Root is concerned for me. Till then it's all noise. If he can't have a big series despite aging Aus bowlers then after so many long series, I think it goes as a huge black mark for the best batsman produced by Eng in decades. If Root can't do much in next Ashes, I will in fact have Cook ahead as the batsman from Eng. Cook was a chamopin batsman who stepped up in many tough away tours. That's actual greatness.

I would love Root to get past SRT's runs tally. But I would like Root to be remembered not just for that. He is far more skillful to just be remembered for volume.

 

[Mamoon]

Anyway, Sachin's 42 avg against Pakistan has been debated to death. He didnt play any test matches with Pakistan for better part of 90s. This is the same reason why Waqar Younis avg 52 with ball against India and Kohli has test avg of 0 against Pak.

This excuse of him not playing Pakistan in his peak, playing with tennis elbow etc. are ancient now. The reality is that he was just not good enough vs Pakistan. He was still a top player between 2004-2007 and he could only score 1 century across 4 series where the likes of Dravid and Sehwag dominated Pakistan.

You can debate Waqar's failures vs India elsewhere. Please don't change the channel here. As far as Kohli is concerned, he would have averaged 60+ vs Pakistan on the dead Pakistani pitches that Tendulkar couldn't score much on.

Also, if you don't want to call Sachin a great batsman due to his 42 test avg vs Pakistan, don't you think its a bit rich calling Root an ATG based on 40 avg against Australia?

Tendulkar is a great batsman. There is no doubt about it. However, he is not as great as his worshippers think. He is not beyond comparison with other 50+ averaging batsman, and the only thing that separates him is volume. Tendulkar holds no records that are not linked to number of matches played. In a lot of ways, he is the batting equivalent of James Anderson.

If Tendulkar was truly the greatest since Don Bradman, he would have had the highest average in the last 50-60 years, the highest individual score, most double-centuries, most triple centuries, most runs in a calendar year, best man of the match to matches played ratio, multiple series with 500+ runs etc. He doesn't possess any of these records which clearly shows that he was not any better than other 50+ averaging batsmen.

As far as Root is concerned, it is important to understand that Australian conditions are much harder for an English batsman to master than Pakistani conditions are for an Indian batsman to master. Root should have done better vs Australia at home, but he deserves more leeway for being underwhelming in Australia compared to Tendulkar in Pakistan.

Both are ATG batsmen in my opinion, overall, Tendulkar wins because of ODI exploits but purely in Test cricket, if Root overtakes his run tally, it will be a legitimate comparison.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Tendulkar is a great batsman. There is no doubt about it. However, he is not as great as his worshippers think. He is not beyond comparison with other 50+ averaging batsman, and the only thing that separates him is volume. Tendulkar holds no records that are not linked to number of matches played. In a lot of ways, he is the batting equivalent of James Anderson.

Everything else was okay but this is just nonsense, James Anderson has a mediocre record away from home and was mostly a home track Bully with one off performances away from home.

Tendulkar averages 40+ in all countries, he was effective in all conditions and probably the greatest technical batsman of all time, there is absolutely no comparison with a HTB who has failed to impress away from home.

 

[Ab Fan]

Batting avg of 50 = bowling avg of 25

Tendulkar 53.74
Anderson 26.65( or whatever and away record is even worse)

Tendulkar’s comparison should be 22-23 averaging fast bowler with balanced home and away record.

Anderson’s comparison makes sense with Kohli( averages 48) or Root( average likely to go down below 50 and good choice if you want a bit more longevity)

 

[Rajdeep]

Sachin's innings of 194 was perfect.

Are you saying if Sachin had taken 30 more minutes to complete his double century, India would not have won that game? LOL.

However, Ganguly got paranoid, didnt wanted to let go the chance of winning the 1st series in Pakistan and asked Dravid to declare.

^^ The first 2 statments and the last one contradict each other.

If the innings is perfect and india would have won the game had Sachin batted longer then what's the purpose of ganguly getting paranoid and asking dravid to declare?

Read Ganguly's book...he explained everything. Basically during the game people misjudge how soon or how late to declare. It had happened plenty of times. Sachin was asked during lunch that India will bat for 30 more minutes before declaring. Tendulkar had that time frame in mind. However, Ganguly thought it will be difficult to get Pakistan out twice in that patta Multan wicket, got paranoid and asked Dravid to declare. Sachin was obviously angry back then as it was not part of the plan. Ganguly in his book has accepted that declaration was a mistake.

 

[Rajdeep]

This excuse of him not playing Pakistan in his peak, playing with tennis elbow etc. are ancient now. The reality is that he was just not good enough vs Pakistan. He was still a top player between 2004-2007 and he could only score 1 century across 4 series where the likes of Dravid and Sehwag dominated Pakistan.

This is not an excuse but a fact (like most of my posts).

Tendulkar has only played 3 test against Pakistan in 90s where he avg's 30 which has brought his overall career avg against them.

When we started playing regularly from 2004, he avgs 51. Does that by any metrics suggests that he was not good enough against Pakistan? LOL

So there is no doubt had there been regular cricket ties between the two countries throughout his career, he would have avg much more.

Also, this is just test cricket.

Tendulkar also bashed Pakistan regularly in ODIs. He won 3 Man of the match awards in 5 world cup games against them including the epic knock at Centurion. Are these signs of he was not good enough against Pakistan?

Yes, Dravid and Sehwag dominated Pakistan much more. So what? Does that make Sachin any lesser batsman?

What kind of logic is this bro? LOL

You can debate Waqar's failures vs India elsewhere. Please don't change the channel here.

Waqar didn't fail against India. That is the point I am trying to make.

He was the same victim of circumstance's as Sachin.

Had there been regular cricket between these 2 nations, Waqar wouldn't have avg 52 with the ball, isn't it?

As far as Kohli is concerned, he would have averaged 60+ vs Pakistan on the dead Pakistani pitches that Tendulkar couldn't score much on.

What would have happened is hypothetical. However, Kohli will retire as a batsman with 0 test runs against Pakistan. You can only score if you play. That was the point.

Tendulkar is a great batsman. There is no doubt about it. However, he is not as great as his worshippers think.

If Tendulkar was truly the greatest since Don Bradman, he would have had the highest average in the last 50-60 years, the highest individual score, most double-centuries, most triple centuries, most runs in a calendar year, best man of the match to matches played ratio, multiple series with 500+ runs etc. He doesn't possess any of these records which clearly shows that he was not any better than other 50+ averaging batsmen.

If Indians worship Tendulkar, why does it give heart burn to Pakistanis?

Tendulkar is not worshipped for his stats and avgs. Ofcourse his numbers are there in cricket record book for all to see. However he was an emotion for every Indian cricket fans who grew up in 90s. When our team used to be absolutely rubbish and riddled with match fixing, he was the lone gun slinger. Sachin out meaning, game over and tv closed. Streets used to be deserted when he used to bat during those cable tv pre internet days.

He is not beyond comparison with other 50+ averaging batsman, and the only thing that separates him is volume. Tendulkar holds no records that are not linked to number of matches played.

What do you mean by only thing separates him is volume? You make it sound like playing for 3.5 decades and stacking up those numbers are easy. If that was the case, why no other batsmen could do it?

Even now he has record in both white & red ball cricket. It is taking multiple modern day batters like Kohli & Root to break some of his record in one of the formats.

Playing for 22 years and still avg 54 in test cricket is ATG stuff.

Take example of Kohli. He was avg some 54 in test cricket few years ago and now it has come down to 48.

Same is applicable for Steve Smith where he had a certain peak and then going down.

Tendulkar maintained consistency for 22 years. So go easy when you say only thing separates is volume as if its a cake walk.

In a lot of ways, he is the batting equivalent of James Anderson.

He is not as Anderson is only primarily a test bowler. Sachin was equally good in both the codes.

As far as Root is concerned, it is important to understand that Australian conditions are much harder for an English batsman to master than Pakistani conditions are for an Indian batsman to master. Root should have done better vs Australia at home, but he deserves more leeway for being underwhelming in Australia compared to Tendulkar in Pakistan.

Both are ATG batsmen in my opinion, overall, Tendulkar wins because of ODI exploits but purely in Test cricket, if Root overtakes his run tally, it will be a legitimate comparison.

This is an excuse bro. First time I am hearing batting in Australian condition for an English batsman is much tougher. Where did you get that info?

If anything, batting in Australia has become easy in modern day due to drop in pitches. Root don't deserve any leeway as Ashes cricket is pinnacle for any Englishman and he could manage to avg only 40 against Australia and without any centuries downunder after 3 tours and 14 games. This is a major blemish.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic. No need to share your personal lives here. Just talk about root and sachin and we are fine.

 

[Ab Fan]

Here are the list of ATGs debuted in this millennium in no specific order:-

Dale Steyn
Steve Smith
Sangakkara
Virat Kohli
AB de Villiers
James Anderson
Ravichandran Ashwin
Joe Root

Anderson and Ashwin are ATGs due to their sheer impact and phenomenal match winning ability in the format that matters, Test cricket.

Virat Kohli and AB de Villiers are ATGs due to their all format prowess and being great in the two major formats- Tests and ODIs.

Joe Root is an ATG for being the only English player after many years and many generation to touch the 50 average mark and likely go down as second leading run scorer of all time.

Future ATGs - Bumrah, Cummins and Rabada

Potential ATGs - Jaiswal, Brooks, Pant

 

[Hawkeye]

Here are the list of ATGs debuted in this millennium in no specific order:-

Dale Steyn
Steve Smith
Sangakkara
Virat Kohli
AB de Villiers
James Anderson
Ravichandran Ashwin
Joe Root

Anderson and Ashwin are ATGs due to their sheer impact and phenomenal match winning ability in the format that matters, Test cricket.

Virat Kohli and AB de Villiers are ATGs due to their all format prowess and being great in the two major formats- Tests and ODIs.

Joe Root is an ATG for being the only English player after many years and many generation to touch the 50 average mark and likely go down as second leading run scorer of all time.

Future ATGs - Bumrah, Cummins and Rabada

Potential ATGs - Jaiswal, Brooks, Pant

Lmao ASHWIN?

How on earth you even put him up there? Clearly you are deluded.

If you want to put him anywhere up there I’d place Hafeez ahead of him. If the two spinners Pak just played against England were playing regularly on spin tracks they would have been far ahead of ASHWIN too.

Anyway, your list has some flaws and based on your logic, guys like Babar Azam would be high on this list.

 

[Ab Fan]

Lmao ASHWIN?

How on earth you even put him up there? Clearly you are deluded.

If you want to put him anywhere up there I’d place Hafeez ahead of him. If the two spinners Pak just played against England were playing regularly on spin tracks they would have been far ahead of ASHWIN too.

Anyway, your list has some flaws and based on your logic, guys like Babar Azam would be high on this list.

You don’t know Ashwin?

Oh sorry of course you won’t know. Pakistan are not allowed to play test matches vs India. But I can explain a bit.

Ashwin has 11 player of series, which is the most for any cricketer in the history of the game.

He has 530 test wickets at avg of 23. That’s an ATG player right there! What is Anderson’s avg by the way? 27??

As for Babar, let him become a world class test batsman and average 45, the statpadder is not even half as good as any of these names currently.

 

[Technics 1210]

The Indian propaganda against Root has stepped up a gear for sure. Indians now claiming home records are the equivalent of home & away records, just to undermine Root.

Soon, we will be told 2+2=5

The great news of course is the myth of Tendulkar is confined within India or PP, while the talent and greatness of Root echos throughout 1 Billion Indians.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is not about Ashwin or any other Indian player. Stay on topic and stop derailing the thread anymore