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Is Mustafizur Rahman more talented than Mohammad Amir was?

Let me tell you one thing, someone like Stokes, yes Ben stokes who has done hardly anything in his career is rated by English pundit as potentially the best all-rounder in the world "currently" when there is a cricketer who ranks NO. 1 in all formats of the game, yes all of them, and that has been for almost a year and even 4-5 years back he was no. 1 or 2 in tests and ODIs.

I hardly ever give much of a damn what English or Australian pundits think. They are obsessed about their own and give little importance on what is going on in the rest of the world. So just because Mustafizur isn't rated by these Punters and co. doesn't make him any less. Ask the likes of Neil manthorp, Akash chopra(analys though), Manjrekar, Bhogle about their opinion on Mustafiz. Even Indian and SA fans can actually tell how good he really is.

You don't run through batting lineups day in day out unless you are special. Demolishing teams like India, SA or even zimbabwe(who can play pace and they looked clueless) in a space of 4 months need talent. But you cannot compare with Amir. If he played in England or NZ, he would have been more lethal
 
Mustazifur had done so well in these poor conditions, he is no joke. I too thought he will get exposed after few games. Amir still looked good to me. Like other said, Amir bowled well in English and SA conditions. Its a good competition. Lets see how it goes when Amir returns.
 
Most impressive pacer from the subcontinent for years.

Don't know about more talented or not, but he certainly has outperformed Amir early on in his career.

Pretty shocked Bangaldesh had someone this good around. They've always had good spinners around but their pace stocks have usually not been great and then all of a sudden this guy comes along. Keep churning out players like this and Bangladesh could well be on their way to becoming one of the stronger teams in cricket
 
Is he better than Rabada? - To me Rabada is the complete fast bowler after Amir. Other one who was most complete fast bowler, but hampered by injuries is Cummins. I don't think Mustafizur is of that class. But let see how he performs outside of BD.

Complete fast bowlers are rare breed in cricket, Styen was the last one. Amir was suppose to move that legacy forward, but hampered by unfortunate career break. Strac is another one who is getting in to that league.


Pace is key skill

When you have pace, swing, reverse swing, good bouncer, lethal yorker, good control than you get into that league. One of the hardest overall skill in cricket.

Rabada, Amir, Strac and Cummins (if he can manage his fitness) have talent/skills to be complete fast bowler. That does not mean they will become one. I don't see others at that level of talent. Mustafizur at max can be like Boults, who in my opinion is tier below top breed. Both need extra yard of pace (with same skill set) to move to the next tier. Look at Strac, he become tier one fast bowler, when his average pace move from 138-140 to 146-150. Its extra yard that adds new dimension. Wahab is up their with pace, but his new ball swing skills are not there, but he still is a world class fast bowler.

I don't know if Mustafizur can consistently bowl above 140?? - He looked slower to me in general.

Same is true for Boult as I mentioned earlier. So was the case with Anderson. Anderson never matched the level of Styen solely because he did not had that extra yard of pace. Boult may never match the level of Strac for very same reason. Pace is one of the most important skill (not the only one by any means) at that level. Its the difference between tier1 and tier 2 with very similar other skills.

Pace is not only important for pacers but for spinners as well. Pace is a big difference between Yasir and Adil for instance. Adil does not have enough pace, when he tries to get pace, looses his accuracy and rhythm.

For a good fast bowler, can bowl at pace with comfortable, which is key. For example Strac and Wahab are comfortable at bowling 90 MPH, when Johnson bowls in rhythm, he is also comfortable. Rabada looked comfortable bowling at high pace. I don't see that with many other bowlers (like most Indian, they become spray gun inorder to maintain pace), same is case with Boult and Southee. I am afraid Mustafizur does not look like he can maintain the high pace with comfort. Amir was also able to do that. Cummins can bowl at high pace, but his action looks stressing his body. Pace is combination of your athletic ability as well as your action and body strength, all of them has to support the net result.
 
Batsmen facing Mustafizur for the first time will find it difficult to pick up his subtle variations in length. He has rubbery wrists which help him disguise the length and batsmen are always late to react. As they continue to play him more, they will get get used to his action and wrist snap.

Teams will break down his action with video analysis and will be more prepared the second time. He's also benefited from playing on gripping pitches that help his 'off spin type' cutters.

I'm not saying he will be a flop but the hype will die down.

He isn't anywhere near Amir who was a complete bowler at 18. Capable of bowling 150ks and spells of 145k+, swing, seam, cutters and outfoxed the best players of swing in their own backyard.
 
Mustafizur is only 20 and still looks skinny. He looked quick against Zimbabwe despite there being no speed guns. Mushfiqur reactions were enough to suggest he can bowl quick. Heck, even Neil Manthorp said at times his deliveries were fast and hurried the Zimbabwean batsman. Okay, I don't think he can consistently bowl well over 145 kph, but bowling 140 kph with great control and intelligence – I take that bowler anyday of the week. Who is Rabada? the guy doesn't possess the variations Mustafizur has, and already being labelled as world class despite being same age as Mustafizur. Don't forget, half of Rabada wickets are against Bangladesh with best figures of 6/16.
 
yasir said:
Is he better than Rabada? - To me Rabada is the complete fast bowler after Amir. Other one who was most complete fast bowler, but hampered by injuries is Cummins. I don't think Mustafizur is of that class. But let see how he performs outside of BD.

Complete fast bowlers are rare breed in cricket, Styen was the last one. Amir was suppose to move that legacy forward, but hampered by unfortunate career break. Strac is another one who is getting in to that league.


Pace is key skill

When you have pace, swing, reverse swing, good bouncer, lethal yorker, good control than you get into that league. One of the hardest overall skill in cricket.

Rabada, Amir, Strac and Cummins (if he can manage his fitness) have talent/skills to be complete fast bowler. That does not mean they will become one. I don't see others at that level of talent. Mustafizur at max can be like Boults, who in my opinion is tier below top breed. Both need extra yard of pace (with same skill set) to move to the next tier. Look at Strac, he become tier one fast bowler, when his average pace move from 138-140 to 146-150. Its extra yard that adds new dimension. Wahab is up their with pace, but his new ball swing skills are not there, but he still is a world class fast bowler.

I don't know if Mustafizur can consistently bowl above 140?? - He looked slower to me in general.

Same is true for Boult as I mentioned earlier. So was the case with Anderson. Anderson never matched the level of Styen solely because he did not had that extra yard of pace. Boult may never match the level of Strac for very same reason. Pace is one of the most important skill (not the only one by any means) at that level. Its the difference between tier1 and tier 2 with very similar other skills.

Pace is not only important for pacers but for spinners as well. Pace is a big difference between Yasir and Adil for instance. Adil does not have enough pace, when he tries to get pace, looses his accuracy and rhythm.

For a good fast bowler, can bowl at pace with comfortable, which is key. For example Strac and Wahab are comfortable at bowling 90 MPH, when Johnson bowls in rhythm, he is also comfortable. Rabada looked comfortable bowling at high pace. I don't see that with many other bowlers (like most Indian, they become spray gun inorder to maintain pace), same is case with Boult and Southee. I am afraid Mustafizur does not look like he can maintain the high pace with comfort. Amir was also able to do that. Cummins can bowl at high pace, but his action looks stressing his body. Pace is combination of your athletic ability as well as your action and body strength, all of them has to support the net result.
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Mustafizur can bowl 140-145+. The problem for batsmen is that is more than enough, because his cutter is absolutely lethal and that allows many batsman to get bowled or lbw beaten for pace, because they can't set themsleves properly for the faster ones.
 
Mustafizur is special but we need to wait until he plays outside home. He is yet to play one match outside home, so he is raw and untested. If he can hold his ground for an entire series outside home against a non minnow team, I am pretty sure we have a real talent on our hands. In the meantime, he is being dissected by other teams now and they will be better prepared when he faces them next time. Two years down the line we will know where he stands - right now we can say he has got the potential to be a world class bowler.
 
Here is my two cents. Amir was definitely faster but in terms of natural talent, how can you say one is more talented than the other? I think they are equally talented. Mustafizur is a freak of nature with his cutters and Amir is much faster. Both can swing the ball. Also with respect to the argument about Mustafizur doing it away from home, well for a fast bowler, its much easier to do it outside the subcontinent than in it. Mustafizur is taking so many wickets in dead spin friendly subcontinent pitches that it should be lauded. For a batsmen or spinner, doing it outside of subcontinent is a valid question but for pacers, subcontinent is the bigger challenge which he has so far excelled in. I think he will do even better in Australia or England. Regarding his pace, during the South Africa series, he regularly bowled at 140+ reaching 145 kmh many times. Evidence is all their on willow tv as full match videos are there.
 
Mustafizur has had a great start to his career like B Kumar had. They look similar type of bowlers, but Mustafizur is the better version.

Things will settle down once Pak, Ind or SA tour Bangladesh again. Or, Mustafizur goes abroad to one of these countries.

He's hard to play for first timers, but will be found out. I don't think he's Asif or McGrath type to survive for long, without consistent pace.
 
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Off-cutters grip and are very effective on these slow surfaces. Will get exposed like Bhuvneshwar Kumar. Not anything special sorry.

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its really unfair to compare such a talented guy with a fixer. Shame on the person who made this thread

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Go_Bangladesh said:
Here is my two cents. Amir was definitely faster but in terms of natural talent, how can you say one is more talented than the other? I think they are equally talented. Mustafizur is a freak of nature with his cutters and Amir is much faster. Both can swing the ball. Also with respect to the argument about Mustafizur doing it away from home, well for a fast bowler, its much easier to do it outside the subcontinent than in it. Mustafizur is taking so many wickets in dead spin friendly subcontinent pitches that it should be lauded. For a batsmen or spinner, doing it outside of subcontinent is a valid question but for pacers, subcontinent is the bigger challenge which he has so far excelled in. I think he will do even better in Australia or England. Regarding his pace, during the South Africa series, he regularly bowled at 140+ reaching 145 kmh many times. Evidence is all their on willow tv as full match videos are there.
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I could actually agree more, so to speak. Pick any two bowlers. Akram and Steyn; Holding and McGrath; or for that matter, Amir and Asif. I couldn't say who was more 'talented,' because the function of the word 'talent,' like 'potential,' or 'beauty' is always to express something sublime; at the threshold of our powers of comprehension. What's interesting here is that fact that Amir and Mustafizur are being compared in the first place, and not unfairly so I think. The comparison is met with scorn and condescension to the extent that that which is being compared is beyond comparison, but also to the extent that the comparison is in fact plausible, indeed inevitable, and therefore hits too close to home. Both are young individuals with outstanding talent, who have fired the imagination of their countries, like perhaps not other player currently. These two countries share much culturally, (and also for this reason) compete intensely, and the historical balance of power is shifting very dramatically, certainly in ODIs. The question of 'speed' is for me somewhat beside the point, in terms of clinching the argument, and is precisely for this reason symptomatic of something. 'Pace is pace yaar' is what people fall back on when no other attribute or skill can be relied on to settle the question at hand; who is better. The claim does not actually mean that 'speed' is better than 'skill,' or that speed is by itself the best indicator of wicket taking ability - historical experience tell us that this is not true. What it means that speed compels us, exerts a force on us, that is akin to the force of a fetish, and is in some respect certainly independent of whether wickets are being taken or not. Hence Shoaib Akthar's popularity, and Wahab Riaz's, notwithstanding their far-from-ATG career stats. If one were to consider the stats alone, one would have to concede that perhaps the sample size is yet small, but in ODIs Mustafizur is not merely a better than Amir, he's better than any other pace bowler in the world right now, perhaps barring Mitch Starc. And I say this as Pakistani supporter. The subcontinent should be proud of the young lad, and I for one can't wait to see more of him, much as I look forward to seeing Amir in action again.
 
To be fairly honest, if you guys are touting someone to be on equal footing to Amir then the benchmark should be test match performances rather than ODI outings. Once and when Mustazifur goes overseas and according to some people, should do better, then only can we compare the two.

Personally speaking, and without any bias whatsoever, I followed Amir from a very young age. He started as our frontline pacer in the WT20 which we won in Eng and on all up coming test matches Amir produced magic after magic for all to see in the World Arena. This was and is the reason Amir was considered the prodigal son of left arm fast bowling and the second coming of Wasim.

Mustazfir for that matter hasn't produced anything substantial to be considered an equal in terms of Amir but to help every of my bangla bros sleep peacefully at night I'll cater to the notion that somehow or another he is equal to Muhammad Amir. These are the things he needs to do for me at least to take him seriously;

Help his team win a top international cricketing trophy.
Take Wickets Overseas (Eng, Aus, Nz and SA)
Bowl 145+ for a sustained period of spells in a test match
Swing Both Ways, conventional and reverse
Should be able to hold his own while batting.

The list seems hard, DAMN RIGHT its hard, you don't become the left arm prodigal son of fast bowling by taking wickets through cutters in Bangladesh.
 
This mustafizur is a one season wonder. When people start picking him like Mendis, he will be exposed. There is nothing special about this guy. Amir is a genuine talent who swings it both ways with pace.
 
Mustafizur need not to robe Pakistani how good he is, neither aamir doesn't need to prove Bangladeshi how good he is. But currently must way ahead of aamir, stats says it all first bowler who got 3 times consecutive 5 wickets haul in history under 10 matches. Doesn't matter what wicket he is playing matter is also other recognized bowler playing in the same wickets couldn't earn that record yet. The guy is smart, accurate, can swing both way, can disguise fast and slow, and then cutter. Oh yes if cutter was that much easy to get wicket I bet someone like steun, morckrl would have broken the record already on the tour when they visited Bangladesh. So just for your own jealousy satisfaction don't make yourself fool by lame excuses when fact is on your nose. Now does mustard got swing or movement? Off course he does have but for some jealous people they are blind that's why they don't see anything only the victims wicket knows that. To me he is better than aamir. Rest up to any individual who is supporting his fellow country player. This debate can go day and night..
 
Shaan said:
Mustafizur need not to robe Pakistani how good he is, neither aamir doesn't need to prove Bangladeshi how good he is. But currently must way ahead of aamir, stats says it all first bowler who got 3 times consecutive 5 wickets haul in history under 10 matches. Doesn't matter what wicket he is playing matter is also other recognized bowler playing in the same wickets couldn't earn that record yet. The guy is smart, accurate, can swing both way, can disguise fast and slow, and then cutter. Oh yes if cutter was that much easy to get wicket I bet someone like steun, morckrl would have broken the record already on the tour when they visited Bangladesh. So just for your own jealousy satisfaction don't make yourself fool by lame excuses when fact is on your nose. Now does mustard got swing or movement? Off course he does have but for some jealous people they are blind that's why they don't see anything only the victims wicket knows that. To me he is better than aamir. Rest up to any individual who is supporting his fellow country player. This debate can go day and night..
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Is there any video of Mustafizur swinging because every time I've watched him he hasn't swung the ball.
 
Executioner said:
In the 3rd ODI he got chibaba using an inswinger that rattled the offstump. Video coming soon
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Watched the wicket. Forget about my predictions then, I hadn't seen him swing before. The hype is real. Was he swinging it consistently?

I was rather confused as to why he was struggling to swing; with such flexible wrists, swing should've came naturally.
 
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Shaan said:
Mustafizur need not to robe Pakistani how good he is, neither aamir doesn't need to prove Bangladeshi how good he is. But currently must way ahead of aamir, stats says it all first bowler who got 3 times consecutive 5 wickets haul in history under 10 matches. Doesn't matter what wicket he is playing matter is also other recognized bowler playing in the same wickets couldn't earn that record yet. The guy is smart, accurate, can swing both way, can disguise fast and slow, and then cutter. Oh yes if cutter was that much easy to get wicket I bet someone like steun, morckrl would have broken the record already on the tour when they visited Bangladesh. So just for your own jealousy satisfaction don't make yourself fool by lame excuses when fact is on your nose. Now does mustard got swing or movement? Off course he does have but for some jealous people they are blind that's why they don't see anything only the victims wicket knows that. To me he is better than aamir. Rest up to any individual who is supporting his fellow country player. This debate can go day and night..
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Bahi I am all for Mustazfir and his swinging Pacy exploits but......

PARAGRAPHS :facepalm: Please !!!!!
 
ChachaCricket said:
Watched the wicket. Forget about my predictions then, I hadn't seen him swing before. The hype is real. Was he swinging it consistently?

I was rather confused as to why he was struggling to swing; with such flexible wrists, swing should've came naturally.
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Consistently? No. To be honest on these wickets once the shine is gone not even vaas can swing the ball.

My point is that mustafiz is not like amir who could prodigiously swing the ball. Difference of course is Amir played a lot on foreign conditions and mustafiz outside too will get more purchase.

I think mustafiz can go all the way but unlike deluded fans I am not saying he is better than amir nor saying that he will be found out(how on earth can you read the finger/wrist of a pace bowler who has a slower ball which is pretty much similar to his stock ball)
 
Go_Bangladesh said:
Here is my two cents. Amir was definitely faster but in terms of natural talent, how can you say one is more talented than the other? I think they are equally talented. Mustafizur is a freak of nature with his cutters and Amir is much faster. Both can swing the ball. Also with respect to the argument about Mustafizur doing it away from home, well for a fast bowler, its much easier to do it outside the subcontinent than in it. Mustafizur is taking so many wickets in dead spin friendly subcontinent pitches that it should be lauded. For a batsmen or spinner, doing it outside of subcontinent is a valid question but for pacers, subcontinent is the bigger challenge which he has so far excelled in. I think he will do even better in Australia or England. Regarding his pace, during the South Africa series, he regularly bowled at 140+ reaching 145 kmh many times. Evidence is all their on willow tv as full match videos are there.
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In theory, pacers should find it easier outside the SC. But if you check the stats of most SC bowlers (even the good ones) they have better records at home. The challenge outside Asia comes from many reasons

1. The batsman you bowl at are playing at home now, so you need to bowl better than at home to replicate the success.

2. Many SC bowlers find it difficult to get the right bowling length outside Asia. They get flattered and excited by the bounce and swing and go overboard trying to bowl too many short pitch deliveries. But batsmen in these nations were born and brought up on these surfaces so they aren't intimidated by these tactics unless you have express pace.

3. If you can both swing and seam effectively, then you may have more success outside Asia. Instead if you are more of a seam or swing specialist, success depends on where you are playing. Seam bowling usually works well in Asia because of the surface grip. But it may not bring the same rewards in a country like SA or England.

4. Playing test matches and ODIs require different skillsets. Mustafizur's current success is mainly in the shorter format but this cannot be extrapolated to test matches by default. Until he bowls in tests, we won't know where he stands.


Without playing outside home, a SC pace bowler cannot be judged. There are a lot of adjustments to make even though bowling conditions may be more pacer friendly. Nowadays, pace friendly conditions aren't even guaranteed outside Asia. One look at the recent Brisbane test should tell you how good you need to be to trouble the Australian batsmen in Australia.
 
Comparison is quite premature. Amir was pathetic outside England, while Mustazifur is yet to perform outside Bangladesh. Let them play more.
 
Executioner said:
Consistently? No. To be honest on these wickets once the shine is gone not even vaas can swing the ball.

My point is that mustafiz is not like amir who could prodigiously swing the ball. Difference of course is Amir played a lot on foreign conditions and mustafiz outside too will get more purchase.

I think mustafiz can go all the way but unlike deluded fans I am not saying he is better than amir nor saying that he will be found out(how on earth can you read the finger/wrist of a pace bowler who has a slower ball which is pretty much similar to his stock ball)
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By consistently I meant for the first 3-4 overs or was this just a one-off ball. Regardless, these are good signs of development.

I wasn't comparing him to Amir who is a next level talent, honestly speaking.

He doesn't need to get prodigious swing, that much will do. He's got an excellent bowling brain. As for reading his wrists, it's just the subtle length variations masterfully disguised which batsmen facing him for the first time will find difficult to pick up but overtime his bowling will get dissected and batsmen will get used to his action hence I predicted the hype to die down. But seeing he can swing the ball with all the other tricks up his sleeve, he's definitely a top talent.
 
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ChachaCricket said:
By consistently I meant for the first 3-4 overs or was this just a one-off ball. Regardless, these are good signs of development.

I wasn't comparing him to Amir who is a next level talent, honestly speaking.

He doesn't need to get prodigious swing, that much will do. He's got an excellent bowling brain. As for reading his wrists, it's just the subtle length variations masterfully disguised which batsmen facing him for the first time will find difficult to pick up but overtime his bowling will get dissected and batsmen will get used to his action hence I predicted the hype to die down. But seeing he can swing the ball with all the other tricks up his sleeve, he's definitely a top talent.
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He was getting some movement away from the right hander.

But i do agree, he has a good brain and you can never tell what he is thinking.
 
I have to say that I am impressed with Mustafizur. He reminds me of a left handed Asif the way he uses the wobbly seam to nip the ball around off a good length. Doesn't have the pace of Amir but is certainly intelligent.
 
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Is there any video of Mustafizur swinging because every time I've watched him he hasn't swung the ball.
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From what I've seen if him...he seems to be a line and length bowler rather than using conventional lefty's swing.
 
Mustafizur has impressed me quite well though we can't rate him higher than Amir for now.....let Amir resume his international career and then we can talk.

Besides that Mustafizur is yet to play in alien conditions where Amir was lethal.
I hope Mustafizur can maintain the pace and keep the BD momentum going on.
 
I am very lucky that I have seen both of them bowling LIVE in tv.

From my observation I am now giving my thoughts on them. And this only for LOIs mind you. Because in tests Mustafizur played only 2 tests compared to Amir.

1/Mustafizur is more perfect in line n length than Amir.
2/Mustafizur is more lethal than Amir in regards to the strike rates.
3/Musatafizur have more 5fors than Amir.
4/Mustafizur's cutter is better wicket taking deliver than Amir's inswingers/reverseswings.
5/Mustafizur has done better in home compared to Amir in his home aka UAE/Pakiatan.
6/In away games Amir was great but Mustafizur yet to be played in away match. So theres no meaning of comparison.

So..Mustafizur is 5 times better than Amir.
But again it's just my opinion. You can agree/disagree on this. I don't care much. Just shared my thoughts on both. Thanks. :)
 
Imran Hasan said:
Some one plz correct the name. It will be Mustafizur.
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He definitely has one thing for sure, very difficult name. 4 Syllables are way too many, I thought 3 is over kill.

One thing he did well is model himself after Amir, who has smooth and effortless action. He can develop lot of skills on that action. There is lot of room for growth. Wasim action is very hard to replicate and build upon. Wahab/Johnson actions are designed for short of length, very hard to develop all kinds of varieties. Amir has one of the best left arm action.
 
IndianWillow said:
In theory, pacers should find it easier outside the SC. But if you check the stats of most SC bowlers (even the good ones) they have better records at home. The challenge outside Asia comes from many reasons

1. The batsman you bowl at are playing at home now, so you need to bowl better than at home to replicate the success.

2. Many SC bowlers find it difficult to get the right bowling length outside Asia. They get flattered and excited by the bounce and swing and go overboard trying to bowl too many short pitch deliveries. But batsmen in these nations were born and brought up on these surfaces so they aren't intimidated by these tactics unless you have express pace.

3. If you can both swing and seam effectively, then you may have more success outside Asia. Instead if you are more of a seam or swing specialist, success depends on where you are playing. Seam bowling usually works well in Asia because of the surface grip. But it may not bring the same rewards in a country like SA or England.

4. Playing test matches and ODIs require different skillsets. Mustafizur's current success is mainly in the shorter format but this cannot be extrapolated to test matches by default. Until he bowls in tests, we won't know where he stands.


Without playing outside home, a SC pace bowler cannot be judged. There are a lot of adjustments to make even though bowling conditions may be more pacer friendly. Nowadays, pace friendly conditions aren't even guaranteed outside Asia. One look at the recent Brisbane test should tell you how good you need to be to trouble the Australian batsmen in Australia.
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good points, didnt think of it that way. But bottom line for me is the conditions, both the weather and pitch will help fast bowlers get more carry and bounce which should help their overall performance.
 
Also those asking about his ability to swing the ball. This has become more prevalent in the recent matches. If you watch his opening burst against Zimbabwe in the third ODI, you will see he is swinging it both way prodigiously also using his unique cutters to spin the ball into left hander and also swinging it away. Thing about Mustafiz is that he has improved his abilities right in front of our eyes series to series. In the India series, he was bowling barley 135 km/h then in the South Africa series he was reaching low 140s. If you don't believe me just check out his spells on Willow tv. But during both the India and South Africa series, he wasn't swinging it much. He had perfect yorkers, cutters and full and straight. This series we saw the addition of swinging it as pace. So now he can swing the ball a lot and if you want proof watch his entire spell again Zimbabwe in the third odi. Highlights don't show entire spell so you cannot make judgement based on that.
 
The guy is a freak. He is starting to learn how to swing the ball. He clearly has the talent. Bangladesh pitches hardly supports fast bowlers. He took 3 wickets in 1 over against #1 South Africa in tests on those flat decks. I think it's inevitable what he will do in these England, New Zealand...pitches. A bowling attack of Shakib, Nasir, Mashrafe, Mustafizur and Taskin/Rubel is deadly for any team in ODIs.
 
If someone can post his bowling videos of 135kph or Above bowling which includes swinging the ball, will appreciate it.
 
For some reason, the 5/34 video from the zimbabwe game doesn't show his first wicket. And during that spell he was swinging it prodigiously.
 
The guy is a major talent, and he's actually doing it right now. As a Pakistani I have high hopes for Amir, but I'm also convinced he's never going to be the bowler he once was. So right now, Mustafizur IS better because he's actually doing it.

No offense, but these threads are dumb. Amir is toiling away in domestics and hasn't bowled in 5 years. Get them both on the international scene, then see. Right now it's comparing fantasies.
 
Tide is with Mustafizur these days. One just has to rewind the clock back to those Amir days when he bowled those magnificent spells in Eng and Aus and then compare whether Mustafizur can reach those heights!

Seems to be highly talented though plus seems to have god gifted rubbery wrists.
 
cricfan14 said:
The guy is a major talent, and he's actually doing it right now. As a Pakistani I have high hopes for Amir, but I'm also convinced he's never going to be the bowler he once was. So right now, Mustafizur IS better because he's actually doing it.

No offense, but these threads are dumb. Amir is toiling away in domestics and hasn't bowled in 5 years. Get them both on the international scene, then see. Right now it's comparing fantasies.
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Are you not contradicting yourself? On the one hand you acknowledge that Mustafizur is actually doing it right now, on the other hand you talk of comparing fantasies. Mustafizur's performances on what is last I checked an international scene, are not imaginary. Moreover, Amir too has a historical track record, on that scene, that we can for lack of other measures draw on for comparison. In ODIs, where there is some kind of sample to talk about, so please let's not have this talk of we have to wait and see until they both play more Tests - in ODI's, there is simply no question. Compare the averages, Amir 24, Mustafizur 12 (!). Mustafizur is not only ahead of Amir, back when Amir was bowling, he is currently ahead of anyone else in the world, possibly barring Mitch Starc.
 
Taking a 5 wicket haul in ODIs is harder than scoring a century.

Now imagine a 19 year old batsman scoring 3 ODI 100s in less than 10 matches.

Mustafizur is kind of a big deal, and rightly so.
 
10sion said:
Taking a 5 wicket haul in ODIs is harder than scoring a century.

Now imagine a 19 year old batsman scoring 3 ODI 100s in less than 10 matches.

Mustafizur is kind of a big deal, and rightly so.
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you can take 5 tailenders wicket who cant bat. but to score 100 you dont face bowlers who dont bowl well...
 
Rahman is far superior to any young bowler going around at the moment. He is so talented and has results. Amir was a good bowler but Mustazifur has shown much better bowling IQ. He has all the gifts - swing, cut, seam, variations of pace.

He is - on potential - the best left armer seen since Akram.
 
Both Amir and Mustafiz are extra-ordinary. But Mustafiz is more trained by professional coaches, got more facilities and back by family but Amir is more naturally gifted with lack of any quality coach or facilities (He used to travel everyday around 2-3 hours to reach his playground)
 
BDwarriors said:
you can take 5 tailenders wicket who cant bat. but to score 100 you dont face bowlers who dont bowl well...
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Except that it is not easy to take all 5 wickets against tail enders [which team even has 5 tail enders these days], because other bowlers will be bowling to them too.

Taking 5 wickets, regardless of tailenders or not, is a big thing. You are dismiising 50% of the opposition. Thats like scoring 150 runs if your team scores 300. It is a big deal.
 
Shafi said:
Both Amir and Mustafiz are extra-ordinary. But Mustafiz is more trained by professional coaches, got more facilities and back by family but Amir is more naturally gifted with lack of any quality coach or facilities (He used to travel everyday around 2-3 hours to reach his playground)
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And Mustafizurs brother used to take him on a bike 36 kilometres back and forth every day for training. 36 kilometres sounds less to us but these are Bangladeshi roads we are talking about.

Amir has the likes of Wasim/Waqar to guide him. While Mustafizur looks up to a Amir. Pretty sure the coaching methods, the juicy tips and tricks the average Pakistani fast bowler get is better than what the average Bangladeshi pacer gets.

Amir > Mustafizur for me though. He could go on to become a complete cricketer who can bat well too.
 
People are taking this the wrong way tbh .
Mustafizur rehman is indeed a great find for Bangladesh , watched him properly recently and you have to admire his wrist action while bowling , the boy is gifted for sure but he is still not an Amir level talent , Amir was quicker had a better bouncer ,Could bowl the left armers dream delivery i-e reverse it away from left arm round , new ball swing etc , in short amir was perhaps the most complete young fast bowler ever .He was Akram level in terms of skill .
MUstafiz will do well in ODI's but Amir even if he is half as good on his return will be a much better test bowler than rehman one suspects.
 
BDwarriors said:
you can take 5 tailenders wicket who cant bat. but to score 100 you dont face bowlers who dont bowl well...
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Mustafiz mostly not only once in same series twice even thricce took same wickets like, Rohit sharma, Dhoni, De coq,Raina, Dhoni and those are not tail enders, those guys can break down any bowling line up at their will. We have seen already how de coq killed Indian bowling line up in India recently, same guy was bunny of Musatfiz in Bangaldesh before going to India. So Musatiz is not a bowler who earned wickets from tail enders mostly frontlines batsman and middle order batsman.
 
Mustafiz has something that rivals Glen McGrath. Brains. He sets up the batsmen with so many variations while bowling an accurate line. He can crank it up to 140+ but he doesn't need to when the 135s do the trick.

Talent wise I have not seen anyone near young Amir. Anyone!! That goes all the way to WI pace attack of the 70s and all that is between this time. Yes, the Ws are in there as well. Either you have speed or you have swing. Not both. Amir had both. That was special.

Current situation: Unless Amir can get back to his original form in international cricket, this comparison is pointless. The result would be one-sided favoring Mustafiz.
 
Ar7alan said:
its really unfair to compare such a talented guy with a fixer. Shame on the person who made this thread

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Hatred at maximum limit. Keep your hatred to yourself
 
what is talent? performance is talent, performance is all, amir was mediocre outside england .though mustafiz haven't played outside bangladesh but his performance is unreal. so at the moment mustafiz is wayyy better than amir. if can do better than mustafiz then he wiill be better.
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People who are saying let him play more OR outside home , where is fun in speculating when all data is right in front of you?
Real fun is when he has just started playing and then extrapolating how he will fan out. Much of it will go wrong - but that is expected. Only few of them will be correct and then we will know who are real experts or pundits.
 
Mustafizur shouldn't be compared with a proven fixer like amir who should have been banned permanently from international cricket.

Amir is a overhyped bowler who was really pathetic outside Asia and used get smashed by everybody in Asian conditions.

Even our Ishant Sharma made a world class batsman like pointing look like a complete fool in fast and bouncy Australian weakens which means even a mediocre pacer can look like a champion in those conditions. That's why amir looked quite good in that Australian series.

On the other hand Mustafizur is almost unplayable even in Bangladeshi wickets which usually don't give any assistance to the swing bower. Just imagine what he will do in those Bowling friendly pitches in Australia and England.
 
Prince_ said:
Mustafizur shouldn't be compared with a proven fixer like amir who should have been banned permanently from international cricket.

Amir is a overhyped bowler who was really pathetic outside Asia and used get smashed by everybody in Asian conditions.

Even our Ishant Sharma made a world class batsman like pointing look like a complete fool in fast and bouncy Australian weakens which means even a mediocre pacer can look like a champion in those conditions. That's why amir looked quite good in that Australian series.

On the other hand Mustafizur is almost unplayable even in Bangladeshi wickets which usually don't give any assistance to the swing bower. Just imagine what he will do in those Bowling friendly pitches in Australia and England.
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Outside England and Australia
 
Interestingly! Mustafizur has more 5 wicket hauls than any English bowler in ODI history! - lol
 
Bowlers are of different types. I think Amir and Rahman are different too.

Amir is more your classical bowler relying on swing and pace.
Rahman seems to use more of the slower balls, cutters and other variations. I'm basing this off just a few matches that I've seen and maybe this has to do with the pitches he was playing on.

As bowlers, both are equally gifted in terms of entertainment-value, likability and wicket taking ability.

Again, based on the few matches I've seen, I'd say, Rahman is better than Amir in subcontinent conditions and might not be as suited on (traditional) Australian and SA pitches. Having said that, Amir was pretty ineffective himself on unhelpful pitches.
 
HateKiller said:
People who are saying let him play more OR outside home , where is fun in speculating when all data is right in front of you? Real fun is when he has just started playing and then extrapolating how he will fan out. Much of it will go wrong - but that is expected. Only few of them will be correct and then we will know who are real experts or pundits.
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Great post I must say. I have the same views.

However getting it wrong doesn't necessarily mean analysis is wrong. Bowlers change. They regress. They develop. They get found out and never know how to come back. They get found out and then work on their game and come back. Lot of factors.

But in general, one could get an idea about posters by the trends they use and see how it pans out over a large sample set.

This is what makes all the speculation fun.
 
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Batsmen facing Mustafizur for the first time will find it difficult to pick up his subtle variations in length. He has rubbery wrists which help him disguise the length and batsmen are always late to react. As they continue to play him more, they will get get used to his action and wrist snap.

Teams will break down his action with video analysis and will be more prepared the second time. He's also benefited from playing on gripping pitches that help his 'off spin type' cutters.

I'm not saying he will be a flop but the hype will die down.

He isn't anywhere near Amir who was a complete bowler at 18. Capable of bowling 150ks and spells of 145k+, swing, seam, cutters and outfoxed the best players of swing in their own backyard.
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they are different type of bowlers both very talented
 
Shafi said:
Hatred at maximum limit. Keep your hatred to yourself
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Yes i hate all three players who had disgraced the nation .... people are saying that they have completed their punishment .... but actually what they have did cannot be compensated by just punishment of 5 year ... they have damaged the faith of people who love cricket

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Ar7alan said:
Yes i hate all three players who had disgraced the nation .... people are saying that they have completed their punishment .... but actually what they have did cannot be compensated by just punishment of 5 year ... they have damaged the faith of people who love cricket

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hahahaha :))) what..................... :facepalm:
 
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