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Is Mustafizur Rahman more talented than Mohammad Amir was?

Ar7alan said:
Yes i hate all three players who had disgraced the nation .... people are saying that they have completed their punishment .... but actually what they have did cannot be compensated by just punishment of 5 year ... they have damaged the faith of people who love cricket

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You are free to go court and get another restrain order against Amir and stop his comeback but make sure you keep loyal to our leaders who are actually selling us everyday.
 
Shafi said:
You are free to go court and get another restrain order against Amir and stop his comeback but make sure you keep loyal to our leaders who are actually selling us everyday.
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I was a very big fan of Mohammad Aamer I was following him since Wasim Akram spotted him as a 16 year old kid ..... and asif of course who can forget his inswinging yorkers .... but now things have changed. For me dignity and pride are bigger things then talent .... and they have lost both in my eyes
 
Ar7alan said:
I was a very big fan of Mohammad Aamer I was following him since Wasim Akram spotted him as a 16 year old kid ..... and asif of course who can forget his inswinging yorkers .... but now things have changed. For me dignity and pride are bigger things then talent .... and they have lost both in my eyes
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Learn to forgive people specially when they already got punished for their crime. There are many others who did worse crime than Amir, Asif and Butt but they still move freely. How often you see a corrupted PM or army official or Mafia boss get punish? Its always general people who suffer the most (get big punishment for little crime) not the royals whose hands are stained in blood. We are not living in heaven.
 
Mustafizur and Amir both in action tomorrow albeit in different matches. Should be interesting to see who has the better tournament.
 
Dios said:
Mustafizur and Amir both in action tomorrow albeit in different matches. Should be interesting to see who has the better tournament.
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Heart says Mustafizur. Head says Amir!

They get to have a go at each other on November 26th.
 
Mustafiz has still a looooong way to reach Amir.

Amir is world class.

World Class.
 
WC-Passion said:
Imagine them bowling together in the same team, it would be almost unfair.
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Probably more lethal than Waqar and Wasim at their prime. Difference being there isn't too many batsman good enough to face them these days. Samuels didn't even get a touch on the ball except the one where he got out
 
IAJ said:
He will have to play a very good match in order to destroy Aamir.

And this is an Amir still rusty.
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Amir is not rusty. He is probably at the peak he will reach this season. Has been carefully managed game by game since April starting from unofficial grade cricket, then domestic I T20s and for the past couple months the FC season. He is in top condition right now
 
Executioner said:
Probably more lethal than Waqar and Wasim at their prime. Difference being there isn't too many batsman good enough to face them these days. Samuels didn't even get a touch on the ball except the one where he got out
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:facepalm:

What has gone wrong with people?
 
Slog said:
Amir is not rusty. He is probably at the peak he will reach this season. Has been carefully managed game by game since April starting from unofficial grade cricket, then domestic I T20s and for the past couple months the FC season. He is in top condition right now
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This.

He has been well managed. Has quite a few games under his belt and mre than a few wickets to get the confidence that he needs to do his thing. Taskin, who is coming off an injury, is more rusty than him.
 
Executioner said:
Probably more lethal than Waqar and Wasim at their prime. Difference being there isn't too many batsman good enough to face them these days. Samuels didn't even get a touch on the ball except the one where he got out
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Thanks, you used the word probably.
 
Executioner said:
Probably more lethal than Waqar and Wasim at their prime. Difference being there isn't too many batsman good enough to face them these days. Samuels didn't even get a touch on the ball except the one where he got out
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How can you even make a comment like without observing these guys for a few years?
 
Executioner said:
Probably more lethal than Waqar and Wasim at their prime. Difference being there isn't too many batsman good enough to face them these days. Samuels didn't even get a touch on the ball except the one where he got out
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Poor guy :))
 
Executioner said:
Probably more lethal than Waqar and Wasim at their prime. Difference being there isn't too many batsman good enough to face them these days. Samuels didn't even get a touch on the ball except the one where he got out
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Haven't seen these two bowling in BPL today, in fact I didn't know that BPL is starting today; but I understand you haven't seen WWs bowling in early 90s as well.

These two are very good potential, let's park it up to that.
 
Amir was better today. Both have a lot of talent but most boundaries on amir were very very lucky.
 
Amir, Mustafizur and Narine in the same team would be actually interesting to see.

Can't think of many batsmen in BPL who would actually be able to dominate that attack.
 
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Lol. 2 more in 2 overs. Amirs been the best in the league. Both are talented but amir is no doubt ahead. Way ahead. Mustafizu really id talented but with time as batsmen figure him out he wont be as affective (still will be a good bowler) amir just has raw pace and swing and every single delivery
 
Amir is a very very skilfull bowler, Using variations very well, Playing with the batsmen. Possibly the spot fixing saga has made him mentally stronger. Amir has greater swing and is a better bowler with the new ball, Overall a better package with greater amount of variety and pace. Have these attributes with the bowling intelligence, Guy is a fantastic seamer.
 
I got the feeling that Mustafiz is no better than Mashrafee, but time will say where he will end up.
 
I am pretty impressed with this guy. He has a very unusual deceiving bowling action and the batsman cannot pick a cutter from a fast delivery.
 
TBH someone said Irfan Pathan was the next Wasim. Mustafiz is a good talent and just that at this point. His novelty combined with a reluctant jaded indian, SA teams (post world cup) fetched him a bunch of wickets. Amir was a good prospect and had his moments in bowler friendly conditions in England and was ok in 1 test is Australia. Both bowlers have the tools to become excellent bowlers though. Akram was just being modest and please don't compare anyone to Akram until they make best batsmen look like fools all around the world.
 
Dman said:
Currently Mustafizur has been more impressive in the T20s.
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Mustafizur will easily be better in T20s given that he can bowl yorkers rather easily, and his well disguised slower deliveries too.

Amir can swing the ball and ball a mean bouncer which Mustafizur yet hasn't displayed, perhaps because of the wickets in BD.

Mustafizur can actually bowl a brilliant line to the batsman. Batsman have a hard time playing his conventional deliveries. So if he can emulate the same, I am 100% sure he can repeat the same on away wickets. Whether you can swing the ball or not is not half as important is bowling in the right areas which is why I feel that people should stop claiming that he will be destroyed when he steps foot outside BD. If he can bowl in good areas he will do good for himself. If he fails on a consistant basis it will be because of losing control over the ball.
 
Mustafiz is the most talented bowler in the world from the new set. He has everything. Even quality players are being made to look like fools by him. What a cutter! What a slower ball!

Honestly in WT20, you will see what a real bowler is.
 
I have seen Amir since his u-19 days and I can safely say that at this point Amir is not 100 % to what we have seen during his 2010 stint.

I would wait until the WT20 to gauge Amir's performance for a better comparison between the two. By then he would've played the whole PSL so logically speaking he would be completely match fit


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Well Musti does play on spin tracks, so he has that advantage. He has a good googly though.
 
tigersfan1990 said:
Did you calculate the speed and turn?
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Yes sir I did. Can't compare the two just yet, early days for Mustafizur will wait until after the T20 (WC). Speed wise though, yes. I got them both beat. I'd be playing, but I am against the ICC and will not stand for the corruption.
 
Looking forward to see how they fare in the Asia Cup and WT20. PSL missed the Bengali.

Amir at the moment is all talk but less performance.
 
tigersfan1990 said:
He showed more skill in those few games than most bowlers do in a career. This guy is a genius.
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Lets see what he does at T 20 cup in India, though i don't judge a bowler by his performance in T 20, so even if he fails i wont write him off but then these are very early days for him.
 
Executioner said:
Mustafizur will easily be better in T20s given that he can bowl yorkers rather easily, and his well disguised slower deliveries too.

Amir can swing the ball and ball a mean bouncer which Mustafizur yet hasn't displayed, perhaps because of the wickets in BD.

Mustafizur can actually bowl a brilliant line to the batsman. Batsman have a hard time playing his conventional deliveries. So if he can emulate the same, I am 100% sure he can repeat the same on away wickets. Whether you can swing the ball or not is not half as important is bowling in the right areas which is why I feel that people should stop claiming that he will be destroyed when he steps foot outside BD. If he can bowl in good areas he will do good for himself. If he fails on a consistant basis it will be because of losing control over the ball.
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BD wickets are slow and low. The ball grips on the pitch and his cutters are lethal. Don't forget that there was a novelty factor and teams had difficulty picking his cutters. Pitches are different elsewhere and length balls disappear. He seems to have increased his pace which is good but don't expect world class batsmen to remain at sea any longer. He's been exposed enough and teams now know how to play him.
 
Maybe the novelty factor isn't there anymore BUT, if he is able to bowl a good line and length like he does then you will succeed anywhere in the world. As for cutters, they are effective at the death. He has a good yorker too. No bouncer yet though.

If he is to emulate anyone it has to be Glen McGrath, McGrath didn't rely on sheer pace but line and length and had a good off cutter.
 
Interesting to see both in Asia Cup and World T20.

Some battles could be settled then.
 
Executioner said:
Maybe the novelty factor isn't there anymore BUT, if he is able to bowl a good line and length like he does then you will succeed anywhere in the world. As for cutters, they are effective at the death. He has a good yorker too. No bouncer yet though.

If he is to emulate anyone it has to be Glen McGrath, McGrath didn't rely on sheer pace but line and length and had a good off cutter.
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Pitches are flat now and McGrath was a very tall bowler. Batsman had a tough time navigating his awkward bounce. Bowling good line and length in tests will help but in LOIs, batsmen will just hit through the line. Yorkers and slower balls are very effective if the batsman dont play ramp shots or are unable to pick the slower ball. Anyway, the Asia Cup and WT20 are here and we shall see if he remains effective.
 
Mustafizur Rahman > Mohammed Amir (post ban).

Mohammed Amir (pre ban) > Mustafizur Rahman.

He is gonna be the hero for his team in the upcoming WC.
 
Shutdown Corner said:
He did better than Musta but not by an insane amount. Will be fun to see them in asia cup and wt20
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After a five year break he still managed to outperform him. But yes should be great to see them both, I was very disappointed when Musti could not make it to PSL. was looking forward to him, without him Lahore's bowling was rubbish
 
Pakpak said:
After a five year break he still managed to outperform him. But yes should be great to see them both, I was very disappointed when Musti could not make it to PSL. was looking forward to him, without him Lahore's bowling was rubbish
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Why did Mustafizur did not play PSL? Injured or BCB did not want to expose him? I think it would have been great experience for Mustafizur to play in an international leage.

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Indian_Supporter said:
Why did Mustafizur did not play PSL? Injured or BCB did not want to expose him? I think it would have been great experience for Mustafizur to play in an international leage.

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I think they said he was injured but I think it might have been the latter reason i.e. not expose him. Him and Yasir were big misses for Lahore. Looking forward to Asia Cup!
 
Mustafiz was injured.

But yes, the big test for him is coming in the forthcoming Asia Cup
 
Pakpak said:
I think they said he was injured but I think it might have been the latter reason i.e. not expose him. Him and Yasir were big misses for Lahore. Looking forward to Asia Cup!
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Never understood this logic of cotton wrapping bowlers. Kapil Dev never missed a game for first 10 years in his career. Personally I like Mustafizur and wants him to do well. It would have been ideal for him to play in PSL. Foreign conditions, quality international players he would have surely learned a lot. Hope they allow him to play in IPL. He will be in the same team as Steyn, Trent Boult etc. Will be a great learning experience for him.

Having said that if he was genuinely injured, thats a different story.

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Indian_Supporter said:
Never understood this logic of cotton wrapping bowlers. Kapil Dev never missed a game for first 10 years in his career. Personally I like Mustafizur and wants him to do well. It would have been ideal for him to play in PSL. Foreign conditions, quality international players he would have surely learned a lot. Hope they allow him to play in IPL. He will be in the same team as Steyn, Trent Boult etc. Will be a great learning experience for him.

Having said that if he was genuinely injured, thats a different story.

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Good point. They are not babies.
 
Pakpak said:
I think they said he was injured but I think it might have been the latter reason i.e. not expose him. Him and Yasir were big misses for Lahore. Looking forward to Asia Cup!
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Executioner said:
Mustafiz was injured.

But yes, the big test for him is coming in the forthcoming Asia Cup
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If I am not wrong - Asia cup is in Bangladesh, so Mustafiz should be able to perform like he has always done so in front of home crowd and home pitches..

His real test will start the day team lands in India for World T20 matches..
 
tigersfan1990 said:
He showed more skill in those few games than most bowlers do in a career. This guy is a genius.
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Genius according to #Banglafans.. :lara

So many guys who performed well in there first 2-3 series are no where to be seen few years down the line..

He will be exposed soon infact just wait for Asia Cup:moyo
 
Most Bangladeshis rate Amir highly and say that Amir is the best pacer in Asia hands down (Most on Fb and Twitter) Maybe they are smart enough to realize that dots in t20s aRe as good as wkts unlike some posters here and also They might well have seen his bowling in ODI series vs Nz , Thank u


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Amir vs Mustafizur Rehman

This Asia cup has been interesting for a number of reasons - 1) Switch from traditional 50 over to T20 format. 2) A precursor to the World T20 tournament with some of the heavy weights in action 3) Green pitches which makes for an interesting contest between bat and bowl and lastly 4) Two of the most exciting bowlers in world cricket contesting in the tournament - Yes it's Amir and Mustafizur.

Both these bowlers have had brilliant start to their careers. While Amir has been about pace, movement and intimidation, Mustafizur has been a mystery element and batsmen are still struggling to figure him out.

Both have brilliant strike rates. The game between Pak and Bangla would be an interesting watch.

Who would you bet having a more successful career and posing most threat to batsmen ?
 
Rehman has got the novelty factor and you will see more international teams stick it to him in the next few matches. He looked smart with his occasional off cutters and should have a fairly decent career in LOIs (around 27-28 avg). Will not do jack in test matches.

Amir is a genuinely good fast bowler. He knows how to swing the ball both ways, bowls at a good pace and is very smart with his variations. He is a proper test match bowler and will also do well in LOIs.

All in all, Amir is very much ahead of Rehman.
 
Mohammed Amir is miles better, I hope Mustafiz learns a thing or two from Amir. He considers Amir is the reason he started bowling. So this comparison is quite pathetic.
 
I like Mustafiz and think he has a very bright and rewarding future. His cutter is likely the best around at the moment.

Also I like how he came back well today, even though UAE are rather poor side, after being pretty average vs India too.

Amir still needs time to get the flow back but it's good to see Bangladesh producing a very good fast bowling prospect to the cricketing World.
 
Pakpak said:
I think they said he was injured but I think it might have been the latter reason i.e. not expose him. Him and Yasir were big misses for Lahore. Looking forward to Asia Cup!
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nope wasn't injured...he wasn't given a NOC because "too much cricket could cause Mustafiz injury" pathetic statement really.
 
How many here think Afridi's gonna toy with Rehman when the latter bowls at the former? :afridi

Having said that Lala did toy with a variety of good bowlers so it wouldn't really be a disgrace for Rehman
 
Sandeep said:
How many here think Afridi's gonna toy with Rehman when the latter bowls at the former? :afridi

Having said that Lala did toy with a variety of good bowlers so it wouldn't really be a disgrace for Rehman
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He did hit a 6 but struggled to lay bat on bowl with the rest of the deliveries when these two guys faced off in a 1 off T20 in Dhaka. Also couldnt lay bat on bowl when they faced off in BPL. Just a FYI..
 
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