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Is Mustafizur Rahman more talented than Mohammad Amir was?

Pakpak said:
I agree, no idea why people fight. Think Musti has even said Amir is his idol.
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Because of some fans from one side who are insecure and fans from the other want to see their player classed as the best regardless how the other perform

If you are a true cricket fan, you will absolutely love to watch both bowl.
 
Has MR has played outside of BD?

Comparing them is silly, MR himself Idolize Amir... If Amir played for 8/10 years many kids will idolize him...Amir needs to work on his death skills, his Yorkers are not there yet, with new ball he is an ace, anywhere any format!!

They are different kinds of bowler, although I like improvements in MR, his real test is outside BD...he is developing well... Is he playing IPL? - that can be huge for him


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Executioner said:
Amir can take full toll of green wickets because of his ability to swing. So Amir on a green wicket anyday

Mustafiz would be good on flat wickets because he has exceptional control on his line and length and the cutters come into play.
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In that case I would want to see Mustafizur to perform on Dubai wickets...where Amir was fairly good enough despite not much green.

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They are equally skilled in the thing that they do. Amir swings it at express pace but is probably physically incapable of the wrist flexion that Mustafiz uses for cutters. Mustafiz has impeccable control at genuine though not express pace and has an assortment of variations.

Mustafiz is only 20, still has time to learn to swing the ball. But Amir would need to get a collagen mutation to replicate Mustafiz's tricks.

They are both special. In different ways.
 
Mustafiz is a very good bowler. Not better than Amir but definitely better than Wahab Riaz.
 
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In that case I would want to see Mustafizur to perform on Dubai wickets...where Amir was fairly good enough despite not much green.

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First of all,I just found it ridiculous when people claimed that he will be "found out" or that he cannot perform as well on quicker wickets.

I wanted to see him in the PSL. He would be really handy. The slow wickets would help his cutters but even if the wickets were on the faster side he would have tried to make it up with his control.

People feel his main strength is the cutter. But hey, just about any bowler can bowl a cutter! Its about how well he is able to bowl his stock deliveries as well as the cutter at a difficult length and line for the batsman.
 
Mushtaqfiqur to Amir is what Habibul Bashar was to Imran Farhat. Such is the gulf in class.
 
Both are great, but if I want a bowler on my team defending a low total of 83 runs, I go with Amir over Mustafizur.
 
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First of all,I just found it ridiculous when people claimed that he will be "found out" or that he cannot perform as well on quicker wickets.

I wanted to see him in the PSL. He would be really handy. The slow wickets would help his cutters but even if the wickets were on the faster side he would have tried to make it up with his control.

People feel his main strength is the cutter. But hey, just about any bowler can bowl a cutter! Its about how well he is able to bowl his stock deliveries as well as the cutter at a difficult length and line for the batsman.
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I don't know why you feel so insecure about him. I never doubt on Mustafizur's ability.

if you are so confident about him then lets wait and watch and let the time tell.

Besides that Amir is still lethal even after a 5 years gap and its proven.


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How to Counter Mustafizur Rahman?

Bangladesh is a must win game for a batting line up who was demolished by a no body Pandya.

We already are facing Shakib threat as we are bad vs spin.

Now, M. Rehman has a serious chance of destroying us. More, I see his bowling, more I am convinced we will be uorooted. His off cuttters were so lethal and even India could not handle him( OD1s). The pitches are assiting pace too. He can reach up to 140s.

Hafeez is a sitting duck, so is Sharjeel. If Umar somehow picks up the cutter we might have a chance. Otherwise expect another below 100 score.

What do you think we could do to handle him? New Team Combinations? Shuffle the order. Or may be even see him off. etc
 
It is much more vital that we play at least 1 left hander in the team to counteract Shakib as our circus management would rather play a top of 7 of all right handers to gift Shakib a happy meal.

In any case, I don't think most of our batsmen are equipped to deal with Mustafiz. Probably see off the new ball if the pitch is green and go from there. But the only thing our batsmen know how to see off these days is the crowd as they walk back to the pavilion...
 
Suleiman said:
It is much more vital that we play at least 1 left hander in the team to counteract Shakib as our circus management would rather play a top of 7 of all right handers to gift Shakib a happy meal.

In any case, I don't think most of our batsmen are equipped to deal with Mustafiz. Probably see off the new ball if the pitch is green and go from there. But the only thing our batsmen know how to see off these days is the crowd as they walk back to the pavilion...
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Lol well played. :))
 
Imo Mustafizur is a good bowler but Amir is far better.
Mustafizur is a tricky and more defensive bowler and Amir is a skillful and more agressive bowler to simplifying it.Mustafizur trick you to get your wicket and Amir provoke it.
 
yasir said:
Has MR has played outside of BD?

Comparing them is silly, MR himself Idolize Amir... If Amir played for 8/10 years many kids will idolize him...Amir needs to work on his death skills, his Yorkers are not there yet, with new ball he is an ace, anywhere any format!!

They are different kinds of bowler, although I like improvements in MR, his real test is outside BD...he is developing well... Is he playing IPL? - that can be huge for him


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Yes he is playing IPL

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shebimalik said:
Yes he is playing IPL

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One thing is clear, he is BD's best bowling talent, not just in this generation probably ever. BD fans rightfully are excited about him, his success is vital for BD's cricket future...playing IPL will help him a lot with his development.




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Can Mustafiz bring the ball back into the right handers like Amir does?

So far all i notice is that he has a very tough bowling action to pick and understand but he mostly moves the ball away from the right hander but varies his pace well as well. With time international batsmen will pick and understand his bowling well the more and more they face him just like how Ajanta Mendis faded away.
 
Mustafiz is a very good LOI bowler. With the variety he has he will be successful more often than not. He might not have great skill set for tests though when batsmen will be able to leave him on line which will be predictable unless he learns the art of in-swing.

Aamir has ability to be successful in all formats and in all conditions.
 
The intelligent Supporter said:
Bangladesh is a must win game for a batting line up who was demolished by a no body Pandya.

We already are facing Shakib threat as we are bad vs spin.

Now, M. Rehman has a serious chance of destroying us. More, I see his bowling, more I am convinced we will be uorooted. His off cuttters were so lethal and even India could not handle him( OD1s). The pitches are assiting pace too. He can reach up to 140s.

Hafeez is a sitting duck, so is Sharjeel. If Umar somehow picks up the cutter we might have a chance. Otherwise expect another below 100 score.

What do you think we could do to handle him? New Team Combinations? Shuffle the order. Or may be even see him off. etc
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Bangladesh will be massive favourites. Their pace bowling is certainly better than India and i dont see us scoring more than 100
 
People underestimate Amir's ability to bowl the yorker , he can bowl the yorker as well as anyone can in Pakistan.Junaid and Amir have the best Yorkers in Pakistan

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Match after match after match, Amir is proving to be very ordinary when there is no swing. Mustafizur is definitely a lot better at this stage.
 
As long as his action is biomechanically perfect, it doesn't matter.
 
Couple of bad Matches and wrist sitters in full flow...Amir is class t20 is a joke format to judge bowlers..most of runs against Amir were of edges...lets wait when the king returns to Lord in this summer in England

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Wrist slitters having a field day.

Amir is the best in the world. A T20 match doesn't make a difference.
 
Deewana said:
Couple of bad Matches and wrist sitters in full flow...Amir is class t20 is a joke format to judge bowlers..most of runs against Amir were of edges...lets wait when the king returns to Lord in this summer in England

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Will he be allowed to play in england... would be interesting..

Amir is a genuinely great Left arm fast bowler...
 
Amir needs to improve his death bowling

These pitches and this format dont suit his style of bowling
 
on flat pitches Mustafiz will be more effective. But if there is swing or seam movement, Amir is ultimate currently. But Amir seems to have nice cutters as well. Test cricket will be a good place to judge both. I fee Amir is going win the battle with Mustafiz
 
Bump :narine

Seems to have surpassed Amir according to me. What you guys think?

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Indian_Supporter said:
Bump :narine

Seems to have surpassed Amir according to me. What you guys think?

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Lol since Lord Bumrah can't compete with Amir so might well start praising anyone else...couple of good performances in a circus doesn't prove musta is better than Amir..what is mustas performance in Test Matches..Musta at his best can be a bit better than Amir in t20s that's it

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Indian_Supporter said:
Bump :narine

Seems to have surpassed Amir according to me. What you guys think?

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Hahaha typicall Indian mentality. On a good bowling pitch, when other bowlers get smashed and fizz bowled couple of good overs, now he becomes better than Amir? Joke of the day
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Bump :narine

Seems to have surpassed Amir according to me. What you guys think?

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nah , youre just an indian whose on a mission to hate a Pakistani even when he has to take some help off a Bangladeshi, apnay bowler ko phainta padha tho mustafizur ka haath pakadhlia.
 
Deewana said:
Lol since Lord Bumrah can't compete with Amir so might well start praising anyone else...couple of good performances in a circus doesn't prove musta is better than Amir..what is mustas performance in Test Matches..Musta at his best can be a bit better than Amir in t20s that's it

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A bit ironic considering that many Pak fans started cheering for every other opposition team after knowing that Pakistan couldn't defeat India in the world cup:baelish
 
aslaisnomasla said:
nah , youre just an indian whose on a mission to hate a Pakistani even when he has to take some help off a Bangladeshi, apnay bowler ko phainta padha tho mustafizur ka haath pakadhlia.
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You can think anything you want. I just bumped this thread because few posters asked for it in match thread. And LOL at why is an Indian hyping up a Bangla bowler when most Pak posters here made livelihood of hyping up Ponting, Lara against Sachin over the years :)))

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Indian_Supporter said:
You can think anything you want. I just bumped this thread because few posters asked for it in match thread. And LOL at why is an Indian hyping up a Bangla bowler when most Pak posters here made livelihood of hyping up Ponting, Lara against Sachin over the years :)))

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that's right even kohli over sachin
 
I think in LOIs Mustafiz has surprassed Amir.

I mentioned previously to wait before judging but now he has performed consistantly for a year in LOIs, and so far has had only one ordinary performance(that too on a comeback match post injury). I have been hearing for almost a month that everyone will "sort" Mustafiz in the next few matches, then everyone says he will choke in the world cup, etc etc. For the record, Mustafiz can bowl 140+ as well, and has very good control on the ball.

I dont know about the test arena but in LOIs, i will take Mustafiz over Amir anyday of the week. And yes, Mustafiz has played enough LOIs to prove that.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
You can think anything you want. I just bumped this thread because few posters asked for it in match thread. And LOL at why is an Indian hyping up a Bangla bowler when most Pak posters here made livelihood of hyping up Ponting, Lara against Sachin over the years :)))

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Because Lara was better than overrated scahin...if u Indians had Even found a bowler like Shoaib u would have hyped him the same way..

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Bowled well today ,he defn is a better bowler than most on flat pitches.
 
Deewana said:
Because Lara was better than overrated scahin...if u Indians had Even found a bowler like Shoaib u would have hyped him the same way..

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Like Lara was better than Sachin accrording to you, Musta is better than Amir according to me. Not sure why you getting all so riled up about. Just check at the stats of these 2 players across all formats. I have created this thread first time when I had seen him bowl and Amir was still serving his ban. And I still stuck to it that Musta is more talented than Amir. Now lets wait and see what future holds for these 2 players.

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In LOIs:
Amir is like Rohit Sharma
Mustafiz is like Virat Kohli

End of comparison.

In Tests, no one is better than the other. One has played only one Test and looked impressive and the other hasn't played a Test in over five years and that too was in bowling friendly conditions. The comparison should be restricted to LOIs only until both play a fair share of Tests.
 
I don't think there is any cricket going on at the moment so my question is where has Mustafizur surpassed Amir? :inti
 
Amir wipes the floor with Mufasa or Mustafa whatever his name is..
 
Imran Hasan said:
yep He has played for Hydrabad Sunrisers tonight. RCB got 227 runs in 20 overs and Mustafizur gave 26 (4ovrs) runs and took ABD and Watson's wickets
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That is a great bowling analysis in such conditions. Let's see if he continues in the same vein.
 
Musty is better with the old ball.

Amir is better with new ball.

Both are equal in terms of talent at the moment. Both are young and will trouble batsmen for at least another 5-7 yrs.
 
It's like comparing Steyn to B Kumar. Latter often good in LOIs.

Different stature bowlers.
 
One bad game does not make a bowler bad. One good game does not make a bowler good.
Let him spend a bit more time.

Today Mustafiz was extraordinary. No questions about that.
 
Mustafizur has an off day from time to time but on his good days, he runs through sides in LOI. He is dangerous.

Amir needs to play more but he is the best Pakistani fast bowler right now.
 
Mustafizur is ahead in LOI in tests Amir will be better especially in swinging conditions
 
Mustafiz will exposed in IPL, ADV, Kholi, Gayle, Watson will smash and tonk him. Just wait few more days and see how Mustafizzz exposed.
 
Mustafizur is brilliant no doubt about it but Ill still take Amir in ODIs and tests
 
Playing with irfan and wahb.Sadly amir has become a oohs and aaahs bowler while mustafizur will take wickets...
 
Bowling at the Chinnaswamy stadium to contain the RCB batsmen is easily one of the most challenging things for a bowler. He did pretty well for himself and will do better on slower tracks in Hyderabad and other venues.
 
Just so people aren't surprised if they're banned, don't write any insulting or rubbish posts here
 
Jokes aside, it's quite something that just at the age of 20 this Mustafizur is so good at his trade despite being from a less privileged cricketing country with a poor cricketing history and 0 role models.

Should dump all the excuses by Pak fans about not having good batsmen because of no role models in the bin.

You have to be your own role model. Look in the mirror and say "Yeah, this is the guy who will be the best Pak pacer / batsman of this era", and then believe it.

Even in IPL flattie tracks he's walking out with respectable figures.

I'm walking on thin baraf when I say this, but he kind of reminds me of Asif. Same type of physique, and seam movement off the pitch, and doesn't depend on pace. Not to mention is one of the few bowlers in the world right now with a sharp mind, along with Amir. Right now he is a poorer man's poor man's Asif.
 
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In t20s he is much better than amir but in Odis they are same I think and amir will be better in tests
 
If he was compared to Bhuvi, Yadav or Bumrah he would be labelled better easily.

I am sure there are Pakistani posters who believe even Wahab and Umar Gul are better than Mustafiz.
 
Suleiman said:
Jokes aside, it's quite something that just at the age of 20 this Mustafizur is so good at his trade despite being from a less privileged cricketing country with a poor cricketing history and 0 role models.

Should dump all the excuses by Pak fans about not having good batsmen because of no role models in the bin.

You have to be your own role model. Look in the mirror and say "Yeah, this is the guy who will be the best Pak pacer / batsman of this era", and then believe it.

Even in IPL flattie tracks he's walking out with respectable figures.

I'm walking on thin baraf when I say this, but he kind of reminds me of Asif. Same type of physique, and seam movement off the pitch, and doesn't depend on pace. Not to mention is one of the few bowlers in the world right now with a sharp mind, along with Amir. Right now he is a poorer man's poor man's Asif.
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Is this a praise or an insult?:srini
 
street cricketer said:
Is this a praise or an insult?:srini
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Nope, as far as odis r concerned I believe fizz is already a better bowler than asif ever was.

Yes, Asif was a good test bowler who had a nice smooth McGrath type bowling action but he used to get hammered in odis :yk2

Fizz has already surpassed him. Even the future ATG batters look like a complete noob in front of him :srini

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