Is Mustafizur Rahman more talented than Mohammad Amir was?

[Energetic]

Interesting to see how Sachin would fair against Amir and Mustafizur.

 

[Indiafan]

4 overs for 29 runs and 1 wicket is being hyped as if he won the WC for his side.

Lol at Bangla fans )

Strange as pak fans were hyping similar figures of Amir in the WC

 

[riz45]

yes he is, but only because of that killer off cutter of his.

 

[Purbasha T]

This Musafa kid or whatever his name is went for 7.25 runs/over when the rest of the team went at 8.24. What a loser! He is also the first bowler to be hit for a six in T20 cricket and that too by a well set batsman when there is no scoreboard pressure. He has truly been exposed. All his detractors like mr. rhony have been validated.

phahhaaha

 

[Purbasha T]

And to conclude my posts on this topic, for mythbuster [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] according to whom Mustafiz can't take early wickets with the new ball - Mustafiz has taken a wicket in his first spell while opening the bowling in five matches out of nine in ODIs (twice against India and SA each). He isn't used as an opening bowler in T20s but his first spell is almost always economical. As usual you stand validated.

Exactly! I like how some people just watch a player in a few games and extrapolate the crap out of their observations lol.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

It's not Amir's fault that Kohli along with all the top analyst's of the world rate him and Sharma had to issue a statement that Amir isn't all that?

If Mustafizur Marshall was shooo deadly lethal phast bowler all of these batsmen and analysts would have been going gaga over him no?

At least Mustafiz is a decent fellow who hasn't sold his country, unlike beyman Mohammed Amir, Mustafiz prays to Allah and has a heart of gold , Amir oh well the guy will steal umpire's hat, afridi's box and sell it in the black market

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Yeah even Laxman thinks Amir is a nobody compared to Legend musta, burn Amir funs :AAG:

 

[HateKiller]

That does not seem like VVS's voice.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

With all the debates going between Amir and Mustafizur, people forgetting one more champion left arm bowler - Zaheer Khan. Already outbowled Mustafizur so far in this IPL. So glad to see Zak still bowling so well even months after his retirement. Pure class.

 

[Aman]

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Good delivery but Russell played all around it.

Then again, this is a T20 and he was probably thinking boundary first ahead of keeping the good balls out.

 

[Suleiman]

Yeah even Laxman thinks Amir is a nobody compared to Legend musta, burn Amir funs :AAG:

Will take revenge on this

 

[rhony]

And to conclude my posts on this topic, for mythbuster [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] according to whom Mustafiz can't take early wickets with the new ball - Mustafiz has taken a wicket in his first spell while opening the bowling in five matches out of nine in ODIs (twice against India and SA each). He isn't used as an opening bowler in T20s but his first spell is almost always economical. As usual you stand validated.

Ofcourse I stand validated. A lot of batsmen can read his cutters now. Heck they are even hitting them out of the park. He can pick up a wicket or two sure and he is good enough to do that. BD fans like you should take it as a compliment when I say he is a potential Bravo. Fizz hasn't played many tests and people comparing him to Steyn and Anderson is just ridiculous. Mustafiz outfoxes batsmen who haven't played him before or those who slog. Contrary to any other half decent bowler, he will get worse the more he plays because a lot more batsmen will read him. I've seen him outfox Indians in the ODI series last year. I've seen both of his T20 innings against India this year. The only difference was that the batsmen could read his cutters. 8-0-72-2 isn't flattering by any means. Anyway, he ain't worthy of my time. Not yet anyway

 

[Dios]

Virat Kohli v Mustafiz in the RCB v SRH match few days ago. Kohli had played Mustafiz seven times before this.

2.4
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, no run, too straight in line, Kohli flicks and does not make contact. He is rapped on the pads

2.5
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, no run, The Fizz unfurls the offcutter, 123ks, Kohli is duped by it. He targets the leg side again and misses. And the Fizz can generate extra bounce as well with his cutters

5.5
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, no run, offcutter from Mustafiz, defended back to the bowler

5.6
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, 1 run, Kohli skips out, yorks himself and toe-ends a drive towards mid-off

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-...e/match/980907.html?innings=1;view=commentary

Four deliveries out of nine that Kohli was uncomfortable with against Mustafiz. Kohli had played Mustafiz seven times before this encounter in less than a year.

 

[Messiah]

Virat Kohli v Mustafiz in the RCB v SRH match few days ago. Kohli had played Mustafiz seven times before this.

2.4
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, no run, too straight in line, Kohli flicks and does not make contact. He is rapped on the pads

2.5
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, no run, The Fizz unfurls the offcutter, 123ks, Kohli is duped by it. He targets the leg side again and misses. And the Fizz can generate extra bounce as well with his cutters

5.5
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, no run, offcutter from Mustafiz, defended back to the bowler

5.6
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, 1 run, Kohli skips out, yorks himself and toe-ends a drive towards mid-off

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-...e/match/980907.html?innings=1;view=commentary

Four deliveries out of nine that Kohli was uncomfortable with against Mustafiz. Kohli had played Mustafiz seven times before this encounter in less than a year.

So a batsman can't have a bad day?

 

[in_cutter]

So a batsman can't have a bad day?

Proves that Mustafizur can out-fox the best. In this format...he is ahead of Amir.

 

[in_cutter]

His economy of 5.98 in T20 cricket is astonishing.

 

[Syed1]

I think you should just let it be. You quite clearly have comprehension issues. No one is saying this was a world-beating performance. I talked about the stats to show that it was an ok performance from Mustafiz given the overall performance of his team because rhony is acting all smug since according to him Mustafiz has been exposed because he went for over 7 an over and got hit for a 6 by a well-set batsman towards the end of the match.

No you quite clearly claimed that Mustafizur was better than the rest of his bowling attack by comparing their economies and when I exposed your numbers you are now being defensive.

 

[Suleiman]

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Say whatever you want, but you gotta love this guy's attitude. Very humble, and considers his competitor a role model, whereas he himself is ahead in one format already.

Will go far.

 

[Syed1]

At least Mustafiz is a decent fellow who hasn't sold his country, unlike beyman Mohammed Amir, Mustafiz prays to Allah and has a heart of gold , Amir oh well the guy will steal umpire's hat, afridi's box and sell it in the black market

Yes Bangla fans are now resorting to character assassination of Amir when they can't prove that Mustafizur Marshall is better than Amir.

And Mr.Marshall is on record of saying that Amir is his idol. Let's hope that Marshall doesn't follow his idol down that unfortunate route.

 

[Titan of Technique]

Despite getting seven chances, Mustafeedur is yet to dismiss Kohli even once.Amir would've atleast got him out once or twice. HAHA dude shouldn't have played IPL and risked his career

 

[BabarAkmal_Fan]

Amir has 2 bad games (while being forced to play injured) and all of a sudden he is a nobody and not a T20 bowler.

 

[Messiah]

We will all look back at this and laugh at how this was even a thread.

 

[rhony]

Virat Kohli v Mustafiz in the RCB v SRH match few days ago. Kohli had played Mustafiz seven times before this.

2.4
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, no run, too straight in line, Kohli flicks and does not make contact. He is rapped on the pads

2.5
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, no run, The Fizz unfurls the offcutter, 123ks, Kohli is duped by it. He targets the leg side again and misses. And the Fizz can generate extra bounce as well with his cutters

5.5
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, no run, offcutter from Mustafiz, defended back to the bowler

5.6
Mustafizur Rahman to Kohli, 1 run, Kohli skips out, yorks himself and toe-ends a drive towards mid-off

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-...e/match/980907.html?innings=1;view=commentary

Four deliveries out of nine that Kohli was uncomfortable with against Mustafiz. Kohli had played Mustafiz seven times before this encounter in less than a year.

So, beating Kohli is the cause of celebration now. I thought taking his wicket was. Anyway, I like Bravo and the future Bravo. Its just the fans that I have a problem with. Go Jr. Bravo!!!

 

[pakpassfan]

what I really like about this guy is how humble he is. even if you hate Bangla fans you cant hate Mustafizur

 

[street cricketer]

Interesting to see how Sachin would fair against Amir and Mustafizur.

He was scoring tons against Lillee, Hadlee & co as a 17 year old.

He would've done just fine

 

[Smbhayi]

This Musafa kid or whatever his name is went for 7.25 runs/over when the rest of the team went at 8.24. What a loser! He is also the first bowler to be hit for a six in T20 cricket and that too by a well set batsman when there is no scoreboard pressure. He has truly been exposed. All his detractors like mr. rhony have been validated.

Check Tanvir's record when he comes to the screen. He was highest wicket taker in inaugural IPL also had 7fer in a match. Lets Fizz complete 2 years first then decide where he stands.

 

[MRSN]

he is certainly more skillful than Amir right now.

 

[Ali Bohra]

Mustafizur is something else.. Will do world of good in future for Bangla Cricket..

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Beautiful. This got me thinking. Imagine what Waqars in swinging yorkers would look like in todays cameras with slow mo

 

[MMHS]

Check Tanvir's record when he comes to the screen. He was highest wicket taker in inaugural IPL also had 7fer in a match. Lets Fizz complete 2 years first then decide where he stands.

When Tanvir came to cricket, he was indeed a good bowler for proper bowling merit. He could swing the ball & had pace to back his awkward action. I think, it was 2009, he played 3 ODI in UAE against WI & literally bamboozled WI top order with his curlers. Tanvir's problem is, he debuted at 27-29, when he was officially 23/24; so, in 1st IPL, he was at his best age; last 5/6 years what we are watching is a 32-36 years old Tanvir, extremely unfit & a lethargic cricketer, who is carrying his career for his contacts. His 1st couple of overs are still among the best by a PAK pacer now days (some of them don't even know how to grip a new ball), but with his fitness, he'll struggle to make a Shield B Team. In his 1st 2/3 years (when he was below 30), he was indeed a sought after pacer in T20 leagues all around.

By the way, I saw his 6/16 - absolute master class late swing at pace - nothing to do with his action or uniqueness there, it was swing bowling of highest order.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

He will flop soon. Don't worry Op.

 

[Ali Bohra]

Time will tell... But mean while he is performing which is important for whichever team he is playing

 

[Syed1]

Good ball.

Made to look better by Russell falling over.


Also thanks for posting this, gave me an opportunity to explore Jaddu's twitter. He is live tweeting his marriage right now and also likes to make fun of Hardik Pandya

 

[Bouncer]

When Tanvir came to cricket, he was indeed a good bowler for proper bowling merit. He could swing the ball & had pace to back his awkward action. I think, it was 2009, he played 3 ODI in UAE against WI & literally bamboozled WI top order with his curlers. Tanvir's problem is, he debuted at 27-29, when he was officially 23/24; so, in 1st IPL, he was at his best age; last 5/6 years what we are watching is a 32-36 years old Tanvir, extremely unfit & a lethargic cricketer, who is carrying his career for his contacts. His 1st couple of overs are still among the best by a PAK pacer now days (some of them don't even know how to grip a new ball), but with his fitness, he'll struggle to make a Shield B Team. In his 1st 2/3 years (when he was below 30), he was indeed a sought after pacer in T20 leagues all around.

By the way, I saw his 6/16 - absolute master class late swing at pace - nothing to do with his action or uniqueness there, it was swing bowling of highest order.

I don't recall ST being anyway near as good a you described. Couple of days after his first game someone had asked me to review his bowling and I made a post about him basically saying that I didn't see him to be anything world class.

I am on phone right now but I will try to search for that post and post it here.

 

[sully3]

Good ball but bloody hell what was Andre Russell doing there ? I think he was waiting on the short ball and the bowler put in a yorker and he had no clue what to do with it

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Time will tell... But mean while he is performing which is important for whichever team he is playing

Don't get your hopes up. By the time he joins the Bangladesh team he will be too tired to bowl in the nets. He will require a doctor to check up on him 24/7. His retirement will be in two years with the way he is going.

 

[MMHS]

I don't recall ST being anyway near as good a you described. Couple of days after his first game someone had asked me to review his bowling and I made a post about him basically saying that I didn't see him to be anything world class.

I am on phone right now but I will try to search for that post and post it here.

Actually, he had natural swing & in those matches (UAE) & 1st IPL, he was indeed making the white ball talk. In his 1st 25/26 ODI, his career average was around 25/26, sometimes around 2008-09, which was great as most of his wickets were among top 5. His T20 bowling stats are 27/7.2 after 50 matches & after struggling in last few years which still isn't that bad.

 

[street cricketer]

???

Oops..Confused McDermott..

Scored tons at sydney and Perth and a 90 against Hadlee in NZ.

 

[Ali Bohra]

Ok.. you seems to know more

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Ok&#55357;&#56860;.. you seems to know more&#55357;&#56834;

Just cherish these moments my friend. Watch every ball like its your last. Only than you will value these great moments in years to come.

 

[Suleiman]

Beautiful. This got me thinking. Imagine what Waqars in swinging yorkers would look like in todays cameras with slow mo

and 10 ks faster.

This kid and Starc is the closest we have to that.

 

[Ali Bohra]

And here's waqar inswinging Yorker though not a clear video but man wat a ball.. loved it

https://youtu.be/xWM96eznN-A

 

[Syed1]

and 10 ks faster.

This kid and Starc is the closest we have to that.

The same Starc who hasn't played for 7-8 months?

mhmmmm


If you have to be a renowned cricketer you have to do it over a sustained period of time. Not one or two seasons.

Sachin did it, Wasim did it, Waqar did it.. Unfortunately Starc is no where near Waqar at the moment and who knows how he will be when he comes back from injury.


Shane Bond was considered to be better than both Lee and Akhtar, but he hardly played anything and therefore will never be rated as highly as his competitors.

 

[MMHS]

Oops..Confused McDermott..

Scored tons at sydney and Perth and a 90 against Hadlee in NZ.

I don't think CJ Mcdermott played in that 1991-92 series. It was Hughes, Whitney & Reid + Moody & Waugh, not the best Aussie attack to be honest. That 90 (I think 88 to be precise), was played a Neiper (?), when Hadlle was almost 38+, but that was indeed a good knock.

Great, great player, one of the all time best - but you Indians always over do things with him.

 

[Syed1]

I mean Sachin took on Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar in their primes and pretty much held his own, so he won't have fared too bad against both Amir and Mustafizur.

Although Amir bowled to him once and dismissed him pretty cheaply

 

[Suleiman]

The same Starc who hasn't played for 7-8 months?

mhmmmm


If you have to be a renowned cricketer you have to do it over a sustained period of time. Not one or two seasons.

Sachin did it, Wasim did it, Waqar did it.. Unfortunately Starc is no where near Waqar at the moment and who knows how he will be when he comes back from injury.


Shane Bond was considered to be better than both Lee and Akhtar, but he hardly played anything and therefore will never be rated as highly as his competitors.

That's not what I said. He hasn't played for 7 to 8 months yet he is already ahead of his contemporaries in ODIS by some distance.

By him going on to become the closest we'll have to someone like Waqar has more to do with the serious dearth of pure fast bowling talent in the world right now than anything else.

 

[MMHS]

and 10 ks faster.

This kid and Starc is the closest we have to that.

A near perfect ball. Here Russell already lined up for a leg-slog, therefore cramped his legs - probably was shaping to slog a slow cutter; but out foxed by the bowler, he was wrong footed by the late movement & length. Anything else, effectiveness of the ball came from accuracy in terms of length & line, while skill was the late swing & intelligence was the judgment of the batsman's motive, with a little leg side movement of front leg to clear a free leg-swing. Imagine this & then think after 15 years of FC cricket, Wahab chasing Smith 5 feet wide & 2 feet high!!!!!!

BUT, those were unique from 2Ws - may be some "nail work" was there, but lots of wrist work as well. WW, actually could "curl" the ball. Difference between "late swing" & "curl" is late swing beats the batsman, curl actually embarrasses him. Many time, I have seen batsmen squired-up to play an out swinger & then losing leg stick or opposite. In 1992 Series, WY had some unbelievable yorkers with brand new ball - try to find his opening spell at Oval 92nd innings), or his opening spell at Antigua '94 (2nd innings). Had that Allen Lamb ball been bowled by an Aussie or English or Indian; we would have seen 5D simulated analysis by this time ...............

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Yes Bangla fans are now resorting to character assassination of Amir when they can't prove that Mustafizur Marshall is better than Amir.

And Mr.Marshall is on record of saying that Amir is his idol. Let's hope that Marshall doesn't follow his idol down that unfortunate route.

I can't really call Amir Johnson or Amir Starc, as both are decent fellow and never betrayed their country. But Amir Akram is certainly an okayish bowler, he is a poor man's Unadkat.

 

[Syed1]

I can't really call Amir Johnson or Amir Starc, as both are decent fellow and never betrayed their country. But Amir Akram is certainly an okayish bowler, he is a poor man's Unadkat.

If you have to try THIS hard to put down someone then he might really be better than I originally thought

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

If you have to try THIS hard to put down someone then he might really be better than I originally thought

Not trying to put down, just stating the truth. Amir didn't show up in World Cup, he crumbles under pressure. 8 overs for 80 runs against Aussies and Kiwis, looked tired. The way you guys hyped him as if he is the next Wasim, Imran etc. Sorry to say but Bumrah looked a lot better than your Amir. Amir is Pakistan's best but I rate him lower than Bumrah, Musta and the legend

Hyped him so much here and made me watch him bowl only to get spanked. Unadkat at least would have picked up a wicket here and there against Aussies or Kiwis but Amir

 

[shebimalik]

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[marlonbrowndo]

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Apart from Afridi and Gayle these are pretty big scalps

 

[in_cutter]

Lets hope he continues to mesmerize so we can see bitter guys such as [MENTION=5411]Zohaib Shah[/MENTION] weep further.

 

[Deewana]

Ask Mustafizur

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[Deewana]

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Wasn't aware he played test Matches

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[Deewana]

I mean Sachin took on Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar in their primes and pretty much held his own, so he won't have fared too bad against both Amir and Mustafizur.

Although Amir bowled to him once and dismissed him pretty cheaply

Overrated scahin would have been owned by Amir like he was by Ajmal...he always looked clueless against Ajmal useless captaincy and poor fielding was his only source of runs...Younis Khan is a better batsman than him

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[Syed1]

Not trying to put down, just stating the truth. Amir didn't show up in World Cup, he crumbles under pressure. 8 overs for 80 runs against Aussies and Kiwis, looked tired. The way you guys hyped him as if he is the next Wasim, Imran etc. Sorry to say but Bumrah looked a lot better than your Amir. Amir is Pakistan's best but I rate him lower than Bumrah, Musta and the legend

Hyped him so much here and made me watch him bowl only to get spanked. Unadkat at least would have picked up a wicket here and there against Aussies or Kiwis but Amir

Lol Bumrah went for 74 off his last 8 overs in the tournament. So Amir getting hit for 80 off 8 is bad, but 74 off 8 is good? This is what happens when you shoot from the hip, not an uncommon sight for BD posters to be owned by me and other PP'ers.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Lol Bumrah went for 74 off his last 8 overs in the tournament. So Amir getting hit for 80 off 8 is bad, but 74 off 8 is good? This is what happens when you shoot from the hip, not an uncommon sight for BD posters to be owned by me and other PP'ers.

Still better than Amir, Bumrah picked up wickets Amir didn't, ATG Amir also conceded 6 more runs. Why are you not comparing Nehraji and Musta's stats to your Amir Akram? Amir is as good as Unadkat just admit it.

 

[Ahmad Shah]

Still better than Amir, Bumrah picked up wickets Amir didn't, ATG Amir also conceded 6 more runs. Why are you not comparing Nehraji and Musta's stats to your Amir Akram? Amir is as good as Unadkat just admit it.

I won't mind when you guys can compare khaled mehmud with McGrath in your forum we can expect anything from u

 

[Indian_Supporter]

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[HitWicket]

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First game for Sussex will probably be against Somerset so he'll have to get Gayle/Jayawerdene to keep this nice graphic up .

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

I won't mind when you guys can compare khaled mehmud with McGrath in your forum we can expect anything from u

So we can't compare Amir with Bumrah, Nehra and Musta? Why is Amir so invincible? Is Amir even better than Starc for you? Oh hail Amir, the guy who went for 80 runs and was wicketless, looked out of breath, I think his legs were shaking when Watto hit him for a six

 

[Ahmad Shah]

We all have seen watto bravery against wahab. Well to win argument u called amir a fixer though that point doesn't pertains to the topic but u forget that your own title u r admiring a player caught in fixing known as ashrafal . There is a reason y every one hates u loud mouth bangla fans. First win few test matches then talk. Amir will end up his

 

[Ahmad Shah]

We all have seen watto bravery against wahab. Well to win argument u called amir a fixer though that point doesn't pertains to the topic but u forget that your own title u r admiring a player caught in fixing known as ashrafal . There is a reason y every one hates u loud mouth bangla fans. First win few test matches then talk. Amir will end up his career with 400test wickets while Mustafizur Rahman might not be able to get even 200 since cutters are almost useless in test cricket. We will see who will sustain in the long run

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

We all have seen watto bravery against wahab. Well to win argument u called amir a fixer though that point doesn't pertains to the topic but u forget that your own title u r admiring a player caught in fixing known as ashrafal . There is a reason y every one hates u loud mouth bangla fans. First win few test matches then talk. Amir will end up his career with 400test wickets while Mustafizur Rahman might not be able to get even 200 since cutters are almost useless in test cricket. We will see who will sustain in the long run

No one remembers Wahab's one in a lifetime spell, who won the match? Watto or Wahab? Haha what a joke, still gloating about Wahab's one spell wonder, wake up, Wahab is a spray gun now.

Amir can get 600 test wickets I don't care, I don't watch test cricket uncle, I have a life and a job. He needs to prove his worth in IT20s.

I hope Musta retires from Test cricket, Test cricket will destroy his career, at least in IPL he is making money. Test cricket 90 overs a day for 5 days straight, 8 hours from your life everyday = 40 hours waste of time, always look at the opportunity cost, what you could have done. A reason why Hitler banned Test cricket.

 

[Ahmad Shah]

No one remembers Wahab's one in a lifetime spell, who won the match? Watto or Wahab? Haha what a joke, still gloating about Wahab's one spell wonder, wake up, Wahab is a spray gun now.

Amir can get 600 test wickets I don't care, I don't watch test cricket uncle, I have a life and a job. He needs to prove his worth in IT20s.

I hope Musta retires from Test cricket, Test cricket will destroy his career, at least in IPL he is making money. Test cricket 90 overs a day for 5 days straight, 8 hours from your life everyday = 40 hours waste of time, always look at the opportunity cost, what you could have done. A reason why Hitler banned Test cricket.

Your post epitomizes the term "sour grapes"by calling test cricket as useless.Once bradman said test cricket is not for weak heart people. I wonder if you could win a single test match against any side even on your soil (except Zimbabwe) .just accept the fact that u guys are just not good enough to play the purest form of game. T20 is more about luck than skills that's the only reason why a year back u guys were defeated by Hong Kong in a One sided game(oh don't tell me Hong Kong is more talented n skillful than Bangladesh

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't think CJ Mcdermott played in that 1991-92 series. It was Hughes, Whitney & Reid + Moody & Waugh, not the best Aussie attack to be honest. That 90 (I think 88 to be precise), was played a Neiper (?), when Hadlle was almost 38+, but that was indeed a good knock.

Great, great player, one of the all time best - but you Indians always over do things with him.

You think very wrong when you talk about Indian batsman and who they faced and scored runs againist.Again deliberately trying to downplay runs scored by an Indian batsman by saying XYZ bowler didnt play when he did play.And then you will say you dont hate Indians and are not biased.
[MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION]

SRT scored runs vs Mcdermott And Hughes both in that Perth match.

 

[carrom_ball]

You think very wrong when you talk about Indian batsman and who they faced and scored runs againist.Again deliberately trying to downplay runs scored by an Indian batsman by saying XYZ bowler didnt play when he did play.And then you will say you dont hate Indians and are not biased.
[MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION]

SRT scored runs vs Mcdermott And Hughes both in that Perth match.

Joshila bhai droping some truth bombs again

 

[street cricketer]

I don't think CJ Mcdermott played in that 1991-92 series. It was Hughes, Whitney & Reid + Moody & Waugh, not the best Aussie attack to be honest. That 90 (I think 88 to be precise), was played a Neiper (?), when Hadlle was almost 38+, but that was indeed a good knock.

Great, great player, one of the all time best - but you Indians always over do things with him.

McDermott played in that test too.

It is only natural. You will always have fans glorifying their nation's best player. Imran is often glorified as the best ever cricketer here, Sangakarra would be glorified in lankan forums and Shakib, Mashrafe and now Mustafizur will be done in Bangladesh forums. It's because cricket is much more than a sport in the subcontinent and fans invest too much emotion into sport here. Obviously everything will be amplified in India, taking the billion population into consideration. Of course there are jingoists everywhere and I often get put off by my friends who make ridiculous comments like Sachin = cricket, etc. and you'll only see more such fans in India by virtue of its huge population.

However there is also an element that non Indians perhaps may not understand and may even find it odd too. India had largely a very average team in the 90s which often was not good enough to challenge the top teams. Tbh even the country had a largely stagnant economy in the 80s and 90s and had a very slow growth that was termed "the hindu growth rate". Whenever India played Australia or South Africa or even Pakistan for that matter, you always got the feeling that the Indian players were much inferior to their counterparts and people most often knew that winning against them required much more than normal effort. In that average team, suddenly a teenager enters scoring successive tons in Australia, England to save a test match, and grinds out a 50 against the fiery 2Ws. And when he went on to become the best batsman in the world in the 90s, he became that hero or the saviour the country craved for in the otherwise sea of mediocrity. And to think that he kept on playing at a top level for 24 years with great humility too, people developed an emotional connect with him as his career spanned across probably 2 generations and made the childhood of most fans. I mean, players retired or got dropped as time went, but whenever India played one name always remained constant in the team sheet. So when someone who formed such a great part of your childhood retired, most fans felt a sort of emptiness. I think it's only natural that fans celebrate Sachin in India where cricket is a religion in this cricket crazy country.

Of course, he wasn't a flawless cricketer. I mean nobody is and every player will definitely have one flaw or other. Personally, Lionel Messi is the most skillful and the greatest sportsman I have ever seen across any sport, but even he has some flaws and shortcomings. So those who make him out as a flawless batsman are frankly ridiculous. But it is also true that he has been the cricketer whose career has been scrutinised the most by fans and critics alike, when he was playing and even years after his retirement, not Lara, not Ponting, not Akram and not even Bradman. Forget about other fans, there are a lot of Indians who call Tendulkar selfish who never cared for his country, etc., along with the thousands who worship him. There's no escaping from such fans in our part of the world where celebrity worship/bashing is rampant. However I feel the fanfare shouldn't alter the perception or judgement of a player or a team which I have seen often happen.

 

[pasha404]

at present in LO in my opinion he is much better than Amir,if some one don't like it i do not care but that is the truth.in tests may be Amir>Mustafiz

 

[MMHS]

McDermott played in that test too.

It is only natural. You will always have fans glorifying their nation's best player. Imran is often glorified as the best ever cricketer here, Sangakarra would be glorified in lankan forums and Shakib, Mashrafe and now Mustafizur will be done in Bangladesh forums. It's because cricket is much more than a sport in the subcontinent and fans invest too much emotion into sport here. Obviously everything will be amplified in India, taking the billion population into consideration. Of course there are jingoists everywhere and I often get put off by my friends who make ridiculous comments like Sachin = cricket, etc. and you'll only see more such fans in India by virtue of its huge population.

However there is also an element that non Indians perhaps may not understand and may even find it odd too. India had largely a very average team in the 90s which often was not good enough to challenge the top teams. Tbh even the country had a largely stagnant economy in the 80s and 90s and had a very slow growth that was termed "the hindu growth rate". Whenever India played Australia or South Africa or even Pakistan for that matter, you always got the feeling that the Indian players were much inferior to their counterparts and people most often knew that winning against them required much more than normal effort. In that average team, suddenly a teenager enters scoring successive tons in Australia, England to save a test match, and grinds out a 50 against the fiery 2Ws. And when he went on to become the best batsman in the world in the 90s, he became that hero or the saviour the country craved for in the otherwise sea of mediocrity. And to think that he kept on playing at a top level for 24 years with great humility too, people developed an emotional connect with him as his career spanned across probably 2 generations and made the childhood of most fans. I mean, players retired or got dropped as time went, but whenever India played one name always remained constant in the team sheet. So when someone who formed such a great part of your childhood retired, most fans felt a sort of emptiness. I think it's only natural that fans celebrate Sachin in India where cricket is a religion in this cricket crazy country.

Of course, he wasn't a flawless cricketer. I mean nobody is and every player will definitely have one flaw or other. Personally, Lionel Messi is the most skillful and the greatest sportsman I have ever seen across any sport, but even he has some flaws and shortcomings. So those who make him out as a flawless batsman are frankly ridiculous. But it is also true that he has been the cricketer whose career has been scrutinised the most by fans and critics alike, when he was playing and even years after his retirement, not Lara, not Ponting, not Akram and not even Bradman. Forget about other fans, there are a lot of Indians who call Tendulkar selfish who never cared for his country, etc., along with the thousands who worship him. There's no escaping from such fans in our part of the world where celebrity worship/bashing is rampant. However I feel the fanfare shouldn't alter the perception or judgement of a player or a team which I have seen often happen.

My mistake, McDermott was the leading wicket taker of that series. I mixed it with the previous series.

For the rest part, it's true. However, Tendulkar enjoyed something similar to Jordan in US sports or Afridi in Pakistan cricket. Indian market opened for global brands in late 80s & the media business boomed, the duel impact with the growing middle class economy was desperate for a superstar outside Bollywood. I give a simple example - in that 1991-92 series, undoubtedly, the best player from either side was a man from the 4-0 losing side - Kapil Dev. Took 25 wickets at around 25 & batted for around 170 averaging ~20. One of the best ever all-round performances in a 5 Test Series, I doubt even 1% of cricket mad Indians can recall that, let alone the average people; because it was hardly sold.

 

[street cricketer]

My mistake, McDermott was the leading wicket taker of that series. I mixed it with the previous series.

For the rest part, it's true. However, Tendulkar enjoyed something similar to Jordan in US sports or Afridi in Pakistan cricket. Indian market opened for global brands in late 80s & the media business boomed, the duel impact with the growing middle class economy was desperate for a superstar outside Bollywood. I give a simple example - in that 1991-92 series, undoubtedly, the best player from either side was a man from the 4-0 losing side - Kapil Dev. Took 25 wickets at around 25 & batted for around 170 averaging ~20. One of the best ever all-round performances in a 5 Test Series, I doubt even 1% of cricket mad Indians can recall that, let alone the average people; because it was hardly sold.

There has always been classism in Indian cricket and it is still very much a reality in many states. Even during Kapil's era, Gavaskar was always the poster boy of Indian cricket. It is true that Kapil has not received as much adulation as Gavaskar or Sachin, and his involvement in the ICL only worsened his case. But I don't think that diminishes the achievements of the former duo. To put it simply, these three are probably the three best cricketers India has ever produced but it's a shame that Kapil hasn't received as much adulation amongst even many Indian fans now when I have seen a lot of English fans adoring Dev as a player and recalling his many achievements especially the consecutive 4 sixes to avoid the follow on.

 

[MMHS]

There has always been classism in Indian cricket and it is still very much a reality in many states. Even during Kapil's era, Gavaskar was always the poster boy of Indian cricket. It is true that Kapil has not received as much adulation as Gavaskar or Sachin, and his involvement in the ICL only worsened his case. But I don't think that diminishes the achievements of the former duo. To put it simply, these three are probably the three best cricketers India has ever produced but it's a shame that Kapil hasn't received as much adulation amongst even many Indian fans now when I have seen a lot of English fans adoring Dev as a player and recalling his many achievements especially the consecutive 4 sixes to avoid the follow on.

Kapil was probably the most naturally gifted cricketer ever. He could do almost everything almost naturally - natural out-swinger, off-cutter; slip fielder, out fielder & a brilliant stroke maker. He was wasted at No. 7 by most of his Captains. Ideally, he should have batted at 4/5 in ODI & at 5/6 in Test after 1980. Struggled with his knees for his last 10 years & did an Afridi thing - dragged career for 2/3 years & 20 more Tests. Should have retired from Test after 400 wickets. Still, he is the best ODI all-rounder for me, at per if not slightly ahead of Khan.

Indian cricket media is extremely batting dominant, I say biased. Every generation, there had been a bowling superstar in India or all-rounder, but never was hyped or given any credit. During Marchent's time there was Nissar, Amar Singh, Hazare/Borde's time there was Mankad, Pataudi/Gavasker/Visihi/Dulip's time Pras, Chandra & Bedi, Azhar/Tendulkar's time Srinath/Kumble, later Zak & there was Kapil Dev ..... but the picture that we get in "Tundler". IND won Test in UK, AUS, WI, NZ & SAF for their bowlers winning it, also the WC & B&H Mini WC. To my surprise, only major evet that was won by batsmen was probably the WC 2011. Even the WSC of 2007-08 was won by the new ball bowlers.

 

[street cricketer]

Kapil was probably the most naturally gifted cricketer ever. He could do almost everything almost naturally - natural out-swinger, off-cutter; slip fielder, out fielder & a brilliant stroke maker. He was wasted at No. 7 by most of his Captains. Ideally, he should have batted at 4/5 in ODI & at 5/6 in Test after 1980. Struggled with his knees for his last 10 years & did an Afridi thing - dragged career for 2/3 years & 20 more Tests. Should have retired from Test after 400 wickets. Still, he is the best ODI all-rounder for me, at per if not slightly ahead of Khan.

Indian cricket media is extremely batting dominant, I say biased. Every generation, there had been a bowling superstar in India or all-rounder, but never was hyped or given any credit. During Marchent's time there was Nissar, Amar Singh, Hazare/Borde's time there was Mankad, Pataudi/Gavasker/Visihi/Dulip's time Pras, Chandra & Bedi, Azhar/Tendulkar's time Srinath/Kumble, later Zak & there was Kapil Dev ..... but the picture that we get in "Tundler". IND won Test in UK, AUS, WI, NZ & SAF for their bowlers winning it, also the WC & B&H Mini WC. To my surprise, only major evet that was won by batsmen was probably the WC 2011. Even the WSC of 2007-08 was won by the new ball bowlers.

I'm too young to have watched Kapil's career and everything I know of him is hearsay from my Dad or internet or from watching old videos. I've heard he was an incredible athlete, a batsman who batted at a quick rate for the era he played in and had a great outswinger. I also heard that his knees deteriorated greatly in his last 10 years (similar to Botham) but he persisted playing which damaged his stats in both formats.

Yup, agreed fully about the 2nd paragraph as well. Indian bowlers hardly get credit even if they perform well. Whenever we have won some tests overseas like series win in England, win at Perth, Adelaide and tests in SA, it was largely due to our bowlers like Agarkar, Kumble, RP Singh, Sreesanth, etc.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Your post epitomizes the term "sour grapes"by calling test cricket as useless.Once bradman said test cricket is not for weak heart people. I wonder if you could win a single test match against any side even on your soil (except Zimbabwe) .just accept the fact that u guys are just not good enough to play the purest form of game. T20 is more about luck than skills that's the only reason why a year back u guys were defeated by Hong Kong in a One sided game(oh don't tell me Hong Kong is more talented n skillful than Bangladesh

Again I don't watch Test cricket, don't have time, love my life during Bradman's time there were no ODI's and T20's hence he made that comment. I have been saying that Bangladesh doesn't deserve Test status, it's an embarrassment and these bunch of wannabe Test cricketers brings shame in our country. Instead of spending money on morons like mushy we should ban Test cricket as ICC is too stubborn to ban Bangladesh.

But stick to the topic, Amir is useless in world tournaments.

 

[Prince_]

Again I don't watch Test cricket, don't have time, love my life during Bradman's time there were no ODI's and T20's hence he made that comment. I have been saying that Bangladesh doesn't deserve Test status, it's an embarrassment and these bunch of wannabe Test cricketers brings shame in our country. Instead of spending money on morons like mushy we should ban Test cricket as ICC is too stubborn to ban Bangladesh.

But stick to the topic, Amir is useless in world tournaments.

Fizz should stop playing test in order to prolong his career. Besides, nobody cares about test cricket in Bangladesh. Good to see that u aren't one of those who thinks test cricket is the ultimate form of cricket.

 

[Prince_]

he is certainly more skillful than Amir right now.

Exactly. Amir is a good bowler. But fizz is in a completely different league. His understanding of the game, match situation and his ability to perform under pressure is simply extraordinary.

 

[Hamza_]

This Mustafiz is a very good bowler. There is some magic in his fingers it seems with all those tricks and variations.

 

[imteaz]

Fizz will be exposed tomorrow against Mumbai Indian.

 

[Purbasha T]

I hope Fizz gets exposed tomorrow against Mumbai Indian.

Correction!