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Is Mustafizur Rahman more talented than Mohammad Amir was?

Most pitches offlate in LOI have been flat and Mustafizur performs better in them whereas Amir is defn the best on even slightly swinging ones not sure why everyone is getting offended.
 
Definitely Fizz. Amir will have to significantly improve his performance if he wants to compete with fizz. Fizz has unbelievable bowling Stats in Lois against world class oppositions. :lara
 
Prince_ said:
Nope, as far as odis r concerned I believe fizz is already a better bowler than asif ever was.

Yes, Asif was a good test bowler who had a nice smooth McGrath type bowling action but he used to get hammered in odis :yk2

Fizz has already surpassed him. Even the future ATG batters look like a complete noob in front of him :srini

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That's the spirit ma brotha!:kohli

P.S.: We need a Mustafizur smiley for these battles..
 
I think both Aamir & Mustafiz are great in their own right. In one way they share a familiar ground, coming from rural areas in their respective countries and making an impact quite young in their national teams.

But you cannot deny, they both are exciting to watch no matter what team you support!
 
imrankhannsu said:
I think both Aamir & Mustafiz are great in their own right. In one way they share a familiar ground, coming from rural areas in their respective countries and making an impact quite young in their national teams.

But you cannot deny, they both are exciting to watch no matter what team you support!
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Musta is more effective than amir but he isn't exciting to watch, you are stretching a bit over there, the fizz is one of the most boring bowlers in international cricket, bowling cutters after cutters, there's no pace or jazba in his bowling :amir
 
carrom_ball said:
Musta is more effective than amir but he isn't exciting to watch, you are stretching a bit over there, the fizz is one of the most boring bowlers in international cricket, bowling cutters after cutters, there's no pace or jazba in his bowling :amir
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I dont know if you are following the recent commentary of the recent T20 games and yesterdays IPL match, but they were all saying how excited they are of watching Mustafiz ball.
 
carrom_ball said:
Musta is more effective than amir but he isn't exciting to watch, you are stretching a bit over there, the fizz is one of the most boring bowlers in international cricket, bowling cutters after cutters, there's no pace or jazba in his bowling :amir
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Someone give this guy a medal.
 
To be fair, even Sir Agarkar was the fastest to 50 wickets in ODI at one point. But he faded away. So, both of these bowlers have to finish well before any judgment can be made.
 
leatherface58 said:
To be fair, even Sir Agarkar was the fastest to 50 wickets in ODI at one point. But he faded away. So, both of these bowlers have to finish well before any judgment can be made.
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What do you mean faded away :yk2, Sir Agarkar has 270+ wickets in 190 matches at an average of 27, his stats are identical to malinga
 
carrom_ball said:
What do you mean faded away :yk2, Sir Agarkar has 270+ wickets in 190 matches at an average of 27, his stats are identical to malinga
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Not to forget the pinch hitting of Sir Agarkar.

Doesn't Sir have a century in Lords too no?:don Something Sachin and Lara can only dream of:srt:lara
 
carrom_ball said:
What do you mean faded away :yk2, Sir Agarkar has 270+ wickets in 190 matches at an average of 27, his stats are identical to malinga
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He was on a massive downward spiral though. He could have ended with an average of upper or mid-20s but was too expensive.
 
Comparing bowlers over slogfests, especially meaningless domestic tournaments.

Let's see both in the Test formats and even one day games. These formats require more brains and skill.
 
Mustafizur is the best bowler to grace the cricket field in the history of cricket.

I heard Curtly Ambrose say in an interview that he wishes he was even half the bowler that Rahman is. Wasim and Michael Holding also hold the same opinion.

Even McGrath was like this kid is better bowler than himself and any bowler he has seen.


Wow wow wow :raja
 
Come on Pakistani Bhai log, Dont get riled up. This was a very honest opinion and as you can is something a lot of Pakistanis also support. Look at the recent comparision. Amir fizzled out during the latter stages of the WC while Fizz has just gone on from strength to strength.. But then again, only time and test cricket will tell
 
Mustafiz is such an exciting talent to watch. He has only played in the sub continent and bigger tests await - but he can only play the cards he has been dealt so far.

Amazing so far. Full of guile, generally good under pressure and still so young. Along with Rabada, a really good thing for fast bowling.

Comparisons with Aamir are meaningless and generally jingoistic. Let's wait couple of years.
 
Amir with the new ball is way more threatening than Mustafizur but doesn't mean Mustafizur looks ordinary with the new ball but the difference is he looks like he can take a wicket in any situation in the match where as Amir more often than not becomes easy pickings in the middle or death overs.
 
Amir becomes easy pickings - all this based on slogfests like 20/20 and Indian experts who know more about bowling than anyone else.

Yeah whatever.
 
90MPH said:
Amir becomes easy pickings - all this based on slogfests like 20/20 and Indian experts who know more about bowling than anyone else.

Yeah whatever.
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Yeah easy pickings based on two T20s where the par score was 180 :))
 
Syed1 said:
Yeah easy pickings based on two T20s where the par score was 180 :))
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Well let us look at their last ODI series performances for starters.....oh yeah I know 5 years gap....flat pattas of Nzl vs bouncy green tops of Bangladesh..... Am I missing anything else?
 
He's the future Wasim Akram. What a bowler, Wow. After evaluating his recent performance we can safely say that he'll take over 400 Wickets in odis.:)
 
Prince_ said:
He's the future Wasim Akram. What a bowler, Wow. After evaluating his recent performance we can safely say that he'll take over 400 Wickets in odis.:)
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Just 400 :yk2 Wasim Akram had 500+ wickets brother, he can't be wasim unless he takes as many wickets :srini
 
90MPH said:
Amir becomes easy pickings - all this based on slogfests like 20/20 and Indian experts who know more about bowling than anyone else.

Yeah whatever.
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Also based on his 40+ Test bowling average anywhere outside England :srini
 
90MPH said:
Amir becomes easy pickings - all this based on slogfests like 20/20 and Indian experts who know more about bowling than anyone else.

Yeah whatever.
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In that logic Pakistanis wouldn't know anything about batting so should stop rating batsmen of any country.
 
Syed1 said:
Mustafizur is the best bowler to grace the cricket field in the history of cricket.

I heard Curtly Ambrose say in an interview that he wishes he was even half the bowler that Rahman is. Wasim and Michael Holding also hold the same opinion.

Even McGrath was like this kid is better bowler than himself and any bowler he has seen.


Wow wow wow :raja
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Oh the sarcasm is priceless :D
 
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Whats the point in fighting over something we cannot prove just by limited stats.

Give it one year and the answer will emerge itself. It may turn out to me Akmal vs Sachin thread and lets wait for an year to find out who is Akmal.
 
carrom_ball said:
Just 400 :yk2 Wasim Akram had 500+ wickets brother, he can't be wasim unless he takes as many wickets :srini
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Yes brother u r right. I was just being humble in my previous post. I know he'll get more than 500 wickets in odis. :irfan
 
I think the two players care much less about who is better than the fans here. Mustafiz said Amir is his idol and wished him happy birthday few days ago. So looks like they get along well and as professional athletes they do compete but its a healthy one.

But the reaction and sarcasm from some Pakistani fans (ie. Syed1) -- Amir mops the floor with oh whatever his name mufasa or Mustafa, oh he is the second coming of McGrath and Walsh etc...is just really condescending. Fizz is no Walsh/Ambrose/Wasim/McGrath or even in Steyn/Anderson level yet but he is a more than decent, very effective bowler.

I am not Pakistani but won't be condescending to Amir. He is a fantastic bowler. Terrific to watch.

And the Bangladeshis know it better than many. Coz the BPL franchise picked him first, it was his international exposure after the ban, and he paid the trust more than 100%, which eventually led to his return to intl cricket.

I just don't get why the fans have to be so bitter and arrogant.

Good luck to both Fizz and Amir. I hope they will dominate the fast bowling in the coming years.
 
Lords said:
Whats the point in fighting over something we cannot prove just by limited stats.

Give it one year and the answer will emerge itself. It may turn out to me Akmal vs Sachin thread and lets wait for an year to find out who is Akmal.
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Why does one has to be successful while the other one a flop? It might well be that both of them go on to become greats
 
Far too early to say who's the better of the two. If you ask me, I'd say Mustafizur looks the deadly one for limited overs, and Mohammad Amir for test Cricket. Overall, Mohammad Amir since pace is vital for a fast bowler. Amir is still perfect for limited overs. Mustafizur is just not as quick as Amir who looks natural when it comes to pace. Both have a lot of variations. Both are different kettle of fish. When it comes to swing, Amir destroys Mustafizur hands-down. Mustafizur destoys Amir when it comes to off-cutters and slower-balls. Both have excellent yorkers. Amir looks far more fitter of the two. In terms of intelligence, Mustafizur wins hands-down. Mustafizur also looks far more consistent when it comes to bowling in the right areas.
 
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Why does one has to be successful while the other one a flop? It might well be that both of them go on to become greats
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But there can be only one at the top, the entire point of this thread is to find out who is at the top and who is Akmal of bowling.
 
Mustafizur is performing better then amir at the moment . Time will tell who is better and more talented


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hamid.s said:
I think the two players care much less about who is better than the fans here. Mustafiz said Amir is his idol and wished him happy birthday few days ago. So looks like they get along well and as professional athletes they do compete but its a healthy one.

But the reaction and sarcasm from some Pakistani fans (ie. Syed1) -- Amir mops the floor with oh whatever his name mufasa or Mustafa, oh he is the second coming of McGrath and Walsh etc...is just really condescending. Fizz is no Walsh/Ambrose/Wasim/McGrath or even in Steyn/Anderson level yet but he is a more than decent, very effective bowler.

I am not Pakistani but won't be condescending to Amir. He is a fantastic bowler. Terrific to watch.

And the Bangladeshis know it better than many. Coz the BPL franchise picked him first, it was his international exposure after the ban, and he paid the trust more than 100%, which eventually led to his return to intl cricket.

I just don't get why the fans have to be so bitter and arrogant.

Good luck to both Fizz and Amir. I hope they will dominate the fast bowling in the coming years.
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Fizz is not EVEN at Steyn/Anderson level? WOW at the delusion. Steyn is one of the best bowlers ever. Mutafiz is just a good death bowler. That's all there is. He can't pick wickets with the new ball. Heck, he isn't even given a new ball in any of the teams he plays. He takes wickets when the batsmen are trying to slog. He can aspire to be a 'Bravo' for Bangladesh with a liability in batting and fielding though. He picked up loads of wickets initially because batsmen couldn't read his slower balls. Not the case anymore. He will keep picking wickets of good batsmen when they are slogging or of tail enders and will be a good death bowler.

Amir needs to improve his death bowling but is very good with the new ball. He's got more pace and can swing the ball at that pace. One's a future Bravo and the other's a future Steyn. There is no comparison unless someone is foolish to compare Bravo with Steyn.
 
rhony said:
Fizz is not EVEN at Steyn/Anderson level? WOW at the delusion. Steyn is one of the best bowlers ever. Mutafiz is just a good death bowler. That's all there is. He can't pick wickets with the new ball. Heck, he isn't even given a new ball in any of the teams he plays. He takes wickets when the batsmen are trying to slog. He can aspire to be a 'Bravo' for Bangladesh with a liability in batting and fielding though. He picked up loads of wickets initially because batsmen couldn't read his slower balls. Not the case anymore. He will keep picking wickets of good batsmen when they are slogging or of tail enders and will be a good death bowler.

Amir needs to improve his death bowling but is very good with the new ball. He's got more pace and can swing the ball at that pace. One's a future Bravo and the other's a future Steyn. There is no comparison unless someone is foolish to compare Bravo with Steyn.
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Woah man, go easy on them, you just busted all the bangla delusions in one post :srt :yk2
 
Wow someone on my fbook shared a Yorker he bowled to Russell.

What a delivery!!! One of the best sights in cricket
 
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The best sight for a fast bowler - <a href="https://twitter.com/Mustafiz90">@Mustafiz90</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BCBtigers">@BCBtigers</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KKRiders">@KKRiders</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VIVOIPL?src=hash">#VIVOIPL</a><a href="https://t.co/pyM91GwIpZ">https://t.co/pyM91GwIpZ</a></p>— IndianPremierLeague (@IPL) <a href="https://twitter.com/IPL/status/721331925646901248">April 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Invincible_Tigers said:
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The best sight for a fast bowler - <a href="https://twitter.com/Mustafiz90">@Mustafiz90</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BCBtigers">@BCBtigers</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KKRiders">@KKRiders</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VIVOIPL?src=hash">#VIVOIPL</a><a href="https://t.co/pyM91GwIpZ">https://t.co/pyM91GwIpZ</a></p>— IndianPremierLeague (@IPL) <a href="https://twitter.com/IPL/status/721331925646901248">April 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Merci for sharing, what a delivery, ball of the year so far.
 
Ball of the IPL so far was Bravo's slow yorker to Miller. A better ball, better batsman and the way the ball dipped on Miller was a sight to see. Russell the hack made the ball look better than it was today
 
rhony said:
Ball of the IPL so far was Bravo's slow yorker to Miller. A better ball, better batsman and the way the ball dipped on Miller was a sight to see. Russell the hack made the ball look better than it was today
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Lol your bitterness is getting quite sad now. Are you even Bangladeshi or Pakistani? Why are you spending so much time discussing Mustafizur or Amir? Go analyse Bumrah, Nehra, Bhuvneshwar and co. We get your only point that Mustafiz is a fluke, lucky bowler. Don't have to come and remind us every time he owns a batsman. When he actually starts failing come and tell us 'I told you so' until then you are not adding anything new to the conversation.
 
Dios said:
Lol your bitterness is getting quite sad now. Are you even Bangladeshi or Pakistani? Why are you spending so much time discussing Mustafizur or Amir? Go analyse Bumrah, Nehra, Bhuvneshwar and co. We get your only point that Mustafiz is a fluke, lucky bowler. Don't have to come and remind us every time he owns a batsman. When he actually starts failing come and tell us 'I told you so' until then you are not adding anything new to the conversation.
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To be fair, he is half Pakistani:narine
 
Dios said:
Lol your bitterness is getting quite sad now. Are you even Bangladeshi or Pakistani? Why are you spending so much time discussing Mustafizur or Amir? Go analyse Bumrah, Nehra, Bhuvneshwar and co. We get your only point that Mustafiz is a fluke, lucky bowler. Don't have to come and remind us every time he owns a batsman. When he actually starts failing come and tell us 'I told you so' until then you are not adding anything new to the conversation.
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Truth hurts and is bitter. You and I are probably on the extreme ends of the spectrum. You come running when he picks up a wicket and open threads asking people if he is the best ever. I just debunk those. The truth is he is probably some where in the middle that's above mediocre and below good. I said that months ago that batsmen are reading his slower balls. I stand validated.
 
rhony said:
Truth hurts and is bitter. You and I are probably on the extreme ends of the spectrum. You come running when he picks up a wicket and open threads asking people if he is the best ever. I just debunk those. The truth is he is probably some where in the middle that's above mediocre and below good. I said that months ago that batsmen are reading his slower balls. I stand validated.
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Completely agree. Its ridiculous the hype he is getting just because bengali fans have no good players to hype up. Every wicket this guy takes, bengali fans bump this thread. We have already seen batsmen starting to smash mustafiz. Yes he has been good in t20, but so has many other bowlers who had their flashes of success in this format
 
rhony said:
Truth hurts and is bitter. You and I are probably on the extreme ends of the spectrum. You come running when he picks up a wicket and open threads asking people if he is the best ever. I just debunk those. The truth is he is probably some where in the middle that's above mediocre and below good. I said that months ago that batsmen are reading his slower balls. I stand validated.
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Yeah you stand validated alright. He keeps picking up spectacular wickets and completely outfoxing batsmen, gets paid enormous sums of money to play cricket all over the world at the age of 20 (he's going to England next), commentators and fellow professionals going gaga over him and also the biggest Bollywood superstar talking about him and trying to understand his bowling and it's you who stands validated. You just usher in like a shameless person and try to discredit him every time he does something noteworthy and the only validation you get is from other haters like you. Lol what truth are you talking about? He is one of the hottest commodities in international cricket right now and everyone is talking about him. You are a nobody and your opinion isn't worth the time you spend typing your posts.
 
This Musafa kid or whatever his name is went for 7.25 runs/over when the rest of the team went at 8.24. What a loser! He is also the first bowler to be hit for a six in T20 cricket and that too by a well set batsman when there is no scoreboard pressure. He has truly been exposed. All his detractors like mr. rhony have been validated.
 
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Dios said:
This Musafa kid or whatever his name is went for 7.25 runs/over when the rest of the team went at 8.24. What a loser! He is also the first bowler to be hit for a six in T20 cricket and that too by a well set batsman. He has truly been exposed. All his detractors like mr. rhony have been validated.
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Thats not true

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4 overs for 29 runs and 1 wicket is being hyped as if he won the WC for his side.

Lol at Bangla fans :)))
 
Dios said:
Professor Syed1 take away the runs conceded and overs bowled by Mustafiz and then divide the remaining runs by 14.2 that is the team economy rate.
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Lol so three other bowlers had very comparable numbers to Mustafizur Marshall but KV Sharma and MC Henriques went for a few so we combine their figures with the other bowlers to make it seem that Marshall was out and out better than the rest of his side.


What sort of logic is this :)))
 
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4 overs for 29 runs and 1 wicket is being hyped as if he won the WC for his side.

Lol at Bangla fans :)))
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Still not as bad as the hype Amir receives for performances over five years ago and for two over spells when the ball is swinging like crazy.
 
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Dios said:
Still not as bad than the hype Amir receives for performances over five years ago and for two over spells when the ball is swinging like crazy.
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It's not Amir's fault that Kohli along with all the top analyst's of the world rate him and Sharma had to issue a statement that Amir isn't all that?

If Mustafizur Marshall was shooo deadly lethal phast bowler all of these batsmen and analysts would have been going gaga over him no?
 
Syed1 said:
It's not Amir's fault that Kohli along with all the top analyst's of the world rate him and Sharma had to issue a statement that Amir isn't all that?

If Mustafizur Marshall was shooo deadly lethal phast bowler all of these batsmen and analysts would have been going gaga over him no?
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Lol Kohli has a man-crush on Amir. In that same press conference he talked about Mustafiz as well but the media did not go crazy about that part. And a lot of analysts and fellow cricketers are going gaga over Mustafizur but we don't feel the need to constantly talk about it as if it's some sort of medal because Mustafiz is actually performing and taking wickets.
 
Syed1 said:
Lol so three other bowlers had very comparable numbers to Mustafizur Marshall but KV Sharma and MC Henriques went for a few so we combine their figures with the other bowlers to make it seem that Marshall was out and out better than the rest of his side.


What sort of logic is this :)))
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I think you should just let it be. You quite clearly have comprehension issues. No one is saying this was a world-beating performance. I talked about the stats to show that it was an ok performance from Mustafiz given the overall performance of his team because rhony is acting all smug since according to him Mustafiz has been exposed because he went for over 7 an over and got hit for a 6 by a well-set batsman towards the end of the match.
 
Dios said:
Lol Kohli has a man-crush on Amir. In that same press conference he talked about Mustafiz as well but the media did not go crazy about that part. And a lot of analysts and fellow cricketers are going gaga over Mustafizur but we don't feel the need to constantly talk about it as if it's some sort of medal because Mustafiz is actually performing and taking wickets.
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It's only when a bowler is struggling and not living up to his potential that you need to constantly talk about what some other guy thinks and constantly need some form of validation. But but but Mr. Kohli Sharma Billy Bob said he is world class. You wouldn't need it if he was picking up wickets. [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]
 
This Mustafeedur Rahim will be exposed so badly by the end of Ipl that next year onwards he'd be carrying drinks for Henriques and Karn Sharma :yk
 
And to conclude my posts on this topic, for mythbuster [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] according to whom Mustafiz can't take early wickets with the new ball - Mustafiz has taken a wicket in his first spell while opening the bowling in five matches out of nine in ODIs (twice against India and SA each). He isn't used as an opening bowler in T20s but his first spell is almost always economical. As usual you stand validated.
 
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