Is Pakistan's ICC Champions Trophy 2025 campaign over on just the first day?

[emranabbas]

Pakistan’s chances of defeating India seem slim given their current form and past performances. India has consistently dominated in recent encounters, boasting a stronger and more balanced squad. On the other hand, Pakistan’s only realistic opportunity for a victory in this tournament might come against Bangladesh, a team that has also struggled to find consistency. Unless Pakistan delivers an unexpected turnaround, their campaign could be limited to just a single win against Bangladesh.

Pakistan’s struggles in recent times go beyond just team selection or squad choices. The overall decline in performance stems from deeper issues such as inconsistent gameplay, lack of adaptability, and an inability to compete against top teams. While many argue that certain excluded players could have strengthened the squad, the reality is that their presence wouldn’t have significantly changed the team’s fortunes. The underlying problems whether it’s poor decision-making, lack of a strong domestic structure, or an inability to handle pressure in big matches have persisted regardless of who is in the playing XI.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Was just looking at the table. You'd think so.

Losing to India obviously dumps them out

 

[Rana]

Ab Bangladesh hi bacha sakta hai Pakistan ko

 

[emranabbas]

Was just looking at the table. You'd think so.

Losing to India obviously dumps them out

It's quite unfortunate that after years, a major cricket tournament returns home, yet Pakistan gets to play only two matches on their own soil, with the third taking place in Dubai.

 

[Major]

An ICC tournament is never complete without us doing this:

 

[emranabbas]

An ICC tournament is never complete without us doing this:

We just have to hope for Bangladesh to do an upset or rain to save us

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bangladesh winning against Bharat will be funny.

 

[shah9425]

Yeah it's over pretty much

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Joy Banglaaa

 

[Savak]

Pakistan’s chances of defeating India seem slim given their current form and past performances. India has consistently dominated in recent encounters, boasting a stronger and more balanced squad. On the other hand, Pakistan’s only realistic opportunity for a victory in this tournament might come against Bangladesh, a team that has also struggled to find consistency. Unless Pakistan delivers an unexpected turnaround, their campaign could be limited to just a single win against Bangladesh.

Pakistan’s struggles in recent times go beyond just team selection or squad choices. The overall decline in performance stems from deeper issues such as inconsistent gameplay, lack of adaptability, and an inability to compete against top teams. While many argue that certain excluded players could have strengthened the squad, the reality is that their presence wouldn’t have significantly changed the team’s fortunes. The underlying problems whether it’s poor decision-making, lack of a strong domestic structure, or an inability to handle pressure in big matches have persisted regardless of who is in the playing XI.

Only chance against Bangladesh? They whitewashed a full strength Pakistan team at home a few months ago.

 

[shaz619]

Afghanistan would have done better in Pakistan’s place and made much better use of the conditions, they would have won 2 games at least before jobbing to India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

INdian pace attack is too raw. Shami's condition doesn't look good. He may not even play. Can Paksitan handle the absence of experience in India's pace attack.

 

[sweep_shot]

Equation is simple. Have to beat India and BD now.

So, campaign is not over yet. Too early to give up.

 

[UP]

Game over.

 

[pratiktc]

Any team can win or lose on given day but to lose like this without even attempting to chase the target is shocking and slap in the face of fans.

Babar, Rizwan and Saud looked like deer in headlights in first PP. No plan, no intent

 

[jnaveen1980]

Any team can win or lose on given day but to lose like this without even attempting to chase the target is shocking and slap in the face of fans.

Babar, Rizwan and Saud looked like deer in headlights in first PP. No plan, no intent

Saud is from Moshin Khan, Mudassar Nazar era.

 

[emranabbas]

Saud is from Moshin Khan, Mudassar Nazar era.

Saud should not have been included in the squad based on his Test performance. The ODI format has evolved and is no longer the traditional style of ODI

 

[pakistani pride]

It's quite unfortunate that after years, a major cricket tournament returns home, yet Pakistan gets to play only two matches on their own soil, with the third taking place in Dubai.

Be happy it is in Dubai and not in Lahore or Karachi. India is going to trash this sorry lot. embarrassment after embarrassment and losing at home soil vs your biggest rival, well ....

 

[emranabbas]

Be happy it is in Dubai and not in Lahore or Karachi. India is going to trash this sorry lot. embarrassment after embarrassment and losing at home soil vs your biggest rival, well ....

You have a very good point sir

 

[baba ghazi]

INdian pace attack is too raw. Shami's condition doesn't look good. He may not even play. Can Paksitan handle the absence of experience in India's pace attack.

they have hardik pandya arshdeep singh shami.. i think these three are more than enough for any international team plus they have 3 spinners

 

[Muhammad Saad]

It’s already over because of stupid batting pitches.

 

[W63L35]

Pakistan's Champions Trophy campaign was over the same day 15-player squad was announced....

 

[Major]

Any team can win or lose on given day but to lose like this without even attempting to chase the target is shocking and slap in the face of fans.

Babar, Rizwan and Saud looked like deer in headlights in first PP. No plan, no intent

haha, we did same in 2017 first game.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No its not over.

Pakistan has the opportunity to make a blockbuster sequel to the Netflix documentary by winning on Sunday.
Netflix execs should give our boys a blank cheque.

 

[t_kaay]

Every interview that we hear after Pakistan loses, we always get the "we are learning from our mistakes" line.......yet EVERY tournament, the Pakistan doesn't realise that NRR is an issue. Losing today is part of the game, but yet again our players have no idea that they could have played the overs out and at least improved the negative NRR that we would end up with. After just one game, we are looking at scenarios that we need to qualify, which will now include beating India or Bangladesh by a big margin and then hoping someone else hammers another team. It's the bloody same, every bloody tournament.

 

[kingusama92]

I wouldn't lose hope yet.

One thing on Pakistan's side is the biggest momentum game is in front of them.

If they win the India game, it can definitely provide enough momentum to push them not only into the semis but also into the final. Unfortunately, the team looks terrible right now and will likely get obliterated in Dubai.

 

[t_kaay]

I wouldn't lose hope yet.

One thing on Pakistan's side is the biggest momentum game is in front of them.

If they win the India game, it can definitely provide enough momentum to push them not only into the semis but also into the final. Unfortunately, the team looks terrible right now and will likely get obliterated in Dubai.

Your first 5 words and your last 5 words pretty much reflect the ups and downs of being a Pakistani supporter........everything in the middle is just ifs and buts........

"I wouldn't lose hope yet"
"likely get obliterated in Dubai"

 

[topspin]

Pakistan has always struggled in Asian conditions, so this nothing to be surprised about. They are even weaker than SENA sides at home because Pakistan's spin bowling standards have plummeted ever since ICC clamped down on suspect actions, which we saw prior to the 2015 World Cup.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan has always struggled in Asian conditions, so this nothing to be surprised about. They are even weaker than SENA sides at home because Pakistan's spin bowling standards have plummeted ever since ICC clamped down on suspect actions, which we saw prior to the 2015 World Cup.

I think it has to do with flat nature of the Pakistani pitches.

They should replace 300+ pitches with 250-270 pitches.

Flat pitch is a disadvantage for Pakistan considering they don't have many powerhitters.

 

[Bilal7]

Cornered tigers, brothers. Don't underestimate the boys. The best is yet to come.

 

[moghul]

Team is at the bottom in every format and our shameless Chairman is trying to get credit for upgrading the stadiums and there is a whole thread to praise him . A national team wins hearts by winning the matches, not by building concrete structures.

Under Naqvi, Pakistan cricket is getting bad to worst.

 

[moghul]

More than the defeat, the approach to chase was criminal , chasing 322 runs and 22 runs in 10 overs power play when Captain and king king was playing, absolutely criminal.

 

[emranabbas]

Team is at the bottom in every format and our shameless Chairman is trying to get credit for upgrading the stadiums and there is a whole thread to praise him . A national team wins hearts by winning the matches, not by building concrete structures.

Under Naqvi, Pakistan cricket is getting bad to worst.

Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem, Fakhar, Rauf, Abrar, and Salman were all part of the team before Naqvi took over so who exactly are you complaining about?

If the stadiums hadn’t been built on time there wouldn’t be a Champions Trophy in Pakistan.

When the hosting rights were awarded, PTI, Ramiz Raja, and Imran Khan were in charge, yet nothing was done about the stadiums. Keep your political bias out of this Thread please

 

[saimayubera]

haha, we did same in 2017 first game.

and in 2013 and 2015 and 2019 and 2024 and 2014 ...

 

[sweep_shot]

More than the defeat, the approach to chase was criminal , chasing 322 runs and 22 runs in 10 overs power play when Captain and king king was playing, absolutely criminal.

Yes. I don't know why they batted like that; 22 runs in 10 overs.

This type of slow batting was more common in the 90's (reminds me of Wajahatullah Wasti days).

 

[asifp]

It was over the way we decided to pick one opener and no proper spinnere.

 

[giri26]

Don't think so until they lose against India, till then they are very much in the running. Contrary to the popular opinion, I don't think India vs Pakistan is a forgone conclusion. India haven't played too many ODIs over the past year or so and are rusty. India is missing Bumrah and has a half-fit Shami which means Pakistan have a great chance. If Shaheen has a good start with the new ball anything can happen. Also India still have to beat Bangladesh, so Pakistan's game isn't the focus right now. These are top 8 teams, anyone can beat anyone so no one is out after just one game.

 

[saimayubera]

Don't think so until they lose against India, till then they are very much in the running. Contrary to the popular opinion, I don't think India vs Pakistan is a forgone conclusion. India haven't played too many ODIs over the past year or so and are rusty. India is missing Bumrah and has a half-fit Shami which means Pakistan have a great chance. If Shaheen has a good start with the new ball anything can happen. Also India still have to beat Bangladesh, so Pakistan's game isn't the focus right now. These are top 8 teams, anyone can beat anyone so no one is out after just one game.

I think if Fakhar goes out, Pak can't win against India.

Only way Pak defeat India is with some maverick batting.

India won't mind slowpoke batting as they can bowl to their plans and cut the run rate.

WC23 comes to mind. Pak were doing okay with regards to wickets but the Indian bowling completely choked them and when release time came - boom collapse.

 

[moghul]

Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem, Fakhar, Rauf, Abrar, and Salman were all part of the team before Naqvi took over so who exactly are you complaining about?

If the stadiums hadn’t been built on time there wouldn’t be a Champions Trophy in Pakistan.

When the hosting rights were awarded, PTI, Ramiz Raja, and Imran Khan were in charge, yet nothing was done about the stadiums. Keep your political bias out of this Thread please

Naqvi has committed many crimes to destroy Pakistan cricket and its working . The most obvious one was to bring in some jokers as the selectors including Wahab Riaz and now Aaqib Javed. Created history by making an umpire the member of national selection committee , I can go on an on but who has the time .

 

[chinaman00]

Pakistan never had any chance to begin with. Folks are acting as if Pakistan was a legitimate contender lol. Like all the previous ICC tournaments, after two matches, Pakistani fans are taking out their calculators and calculating the weather patterns and run rates to see what inconceivable possibility exists for their team to find a miracle to go to the second round

Pakistan lost before the tournament even begun by getting the squad selection wrong - something they have done consistently since the 2003 World Cup.

 

[Savak]

I think it has to do with flat nature of the Pakistani pitches.

They should replace 300+ pitches with 250-270 pitches.

Flat pitch is a disadvantage for Pakistan considering they don't have many powerhitters.

More than the batters, our fast bowlers are absolutely terrible when the wicket has nothing for them. They don't have the discipline or bowling iq of Bhumrah, Shami, Siraj to keep it tight.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Pakistan is winning this tournament as usual. They start with absolute crap performance and then bring the magic.
India has never performed well in Dubai, Pakistan and New Zealand will be in semis

 

[BouncerGuy]

Not over but yeah chances have gone from 50% to 10 % LOL

 

[Marooned]

Yes. Without a shred of doubt.

 

[Kianig89]

It is curtains basically, this team is pathetic

 

[Justcrazy]

The squad Pakistan selected is just to fill numbers , this team is not a team with which you look to win.
Sad thing is that the best Batter Babar is batting to survive. Fast bowlers , none are fit. The squad lacks options as well.

 

[aukhan]

Its over. After India's game, its officially the end of the tournament for us.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Afghanistan would have done better in Pakistan’s place and made much better use of the conditions, they would have won 2 games at least before jobbing to India.

NZ becoming bit of a party spoiler team. Just a 100 contracted cricketers in that country, they come to the tournaments silently, no one is even watching cricket back home for them lol and they play like their life depends on it. The fielding and all. We will never have this kind of swagger in this part bro.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan is winning this tournament as usual. They start with absolute crap performance and then bring the magic.
India has never performed well in Dubai, Pakistan and New Zealand will be in semis

The Monte Carlo fallacy, also known as the gambler's fallacy, is the incorrect belief that past events can influence future events. It's a common misconception about probability

 

[Thanos]

Our hitman is stupid enough to get out to inswinger in age-old fashion in first two overs.
Kohli with his generosity to gift wicket to any new spinner and mental midget to go into shell in such situations. Bounce out no. 4 and there you have the game against India.
So NO, it's not over for Pak yet.

 

[Suleiman]

Over because of game 1 loss? What is this?

Did y’all forget how we won last time?

Criticize the team all you want 99% of the time, yes this team deserves all the criticism coming its way- I don’t deny that.

But don’t just throw in the towel after 1 game… otherwise we should just forfeit every tournament from now on and spend the rest of the tournament doing food tours and enjoying the show from VIP seats.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Pakistan CT campaign was never going anywhere with this squad. With Saim and Fakhar out, we are virtually out. Watch us get destroyed by India and probably BD too.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Stay on topic

 

[emranabbas]

Its all about luck factor now If some how we win both games and are ahead with the NRR we can each the semis

 

[Kianig89]

Present scenario no chance Pakistan are a long way now , infact Bangladesh game might be the matter of pride

 

[TheNeutralist]

Its not about Pak losing, wins and losses happen; But its the way they lost.

Babar looks struggling to play run a ball, Fakhar is out with injury. Who are the openers now how will they score runs?
Add to that the death bowling looks bad. Pakistani batsmen look scared to play normal shots, and playing against India is more pressure.

 

[pratiktc]

I think if Fakhar goes out, Pak can't win against India.

Only way Pak defeat India is with some maverick batting.

India won't mind slowpoke batting as they can bowl to their plans and cut the run rate.

WC23 comes to mind. Pak were doing okay with regards to wickets but the Indian bowling completely choked them and when release time came - boom collapse.

Exactly. People blame middle order for collapse, but frankly even if Babar and Rizwan had batted 10 more overs, Indian attack with Bumrah would have shackled them in death to around 270-290 score which India was very comfortable running down under lights.

Pak have to get ahead of the match RR in first powerplay and choose a bowler to attack during second PP. This is a must in modern ODI cricket.

Especially part time spinners cannot be allowed to bowl peacefully.

 

[shah9425]

It's pretty much over sadly

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

More than the batters, our fast bowlers are absolutely terrible when the wicket has nothing for them. They don't have the discipline or bowling iq of Bhumrah, Shami, Siraj to keep it tight.

What IQ? What did they do in WC 2023 final or WTC final? They are weak team/JAMODI bullies usually with only Bhumrah stepping up in the recent Aus series and T20 WC. Siraj is a trundler who would struggle to get into Multan Sultans.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

People are way to quick to lose hope here. Support the team. It's one bad day at the office. 23rd of Feb everything changes and when we win, I hope I don't see all the naysayers in this thread celebrating because you don't deserve to. We will smash Bangla for sure, for the India game we just need the big 4 to step up in Fakhar's absence: Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem. We have the home advantage and the historic tournament advantage. Likes of Kohli and Rohit are now very old, this is not 2019 anymore, there is no Bhumrah. India have likes of KL and Gill who are shawarma batters against good attacks.

Quoting John Cena here to India, you want some? Come get some.

 

[Nabeel23]

People are way to quick to lose hope here. Support the team. It's one bad day at the office. 23rd of Feb everything changes and when we win, I hope I don't see all the naysayers in this thread celebrating because you don't deserve to. We will smash Bangla for sure, for the India game we just need the big 4 to step up in Fakhar's absence: Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem. We have the home advantage and the historic tournament advantage. Likes of Kohli and Rohit are now very old, this is not 2019 anymore, there is no Bhumrah. India have likes of KL and Gill who are shawarma batters against good attacks.

Quoting John Cena here to India, you want some? Come get some.

They will destroy us on Sunday, the gulf between the two sides is too big.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

They will destroy us on Sunday, the gulf between the two sides is too big.

You can believe what you want. I have full faith in my side. It's Sunday - Babar and Rizwan have been maligned and shamed. Shaheen and Naseem have been targetted unfairly. All the shenanigans from Indians. We will smash them. They can't play Shaheen Kohli of 2025 is an Imam level batter on his best day. There is no Bhumrah.

 

[Nabeel23]

What IQ? What did they do in WC 2023 final or WTC final? They are weak team/JAMODI bullies usually with only Bhumrah stepping up in the recent Aus series and T20 WC. Siraj is a trundler who would struggle to get into Multan Sultans.

Siraj and even Arshdeep would come into our main 11 over the likes of Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf who are all overrated.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Siraj and even Arshdeep would come into our main 11 over the likes of Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf who are all overrated.

Siraj? LOL! As Javed said about Irfan Pathan, we have a Siraj in every tape ball playing household here. Arshdeep isn't even worth discussing, he grunts to bowl 125 kmph and got dropped today vs BD LOL!

 

[jakee]

Considering there is 50 mm of rain predicted on the 27 Feb (Pak vs BD) in Pindi , Even the qudrat ka Nizam not gonna save us this time.

 

[Nabeel23]

Siraj? LOL! As Javed said about Irfan Pathan, we have a Siraj in every tape ball playing household here. Arshdeep isn't even worth discussing, he grunts to bowl 125 kmph and got dropped today vs BD LOL!

Javed knows nothing, Pak fans are clueless and keep overhyping our players which gets into their heads. Those three are only good when there is assistance in the pitch. There fitness levels are bad, pace has dropped and bowl wrong lines under pressure especially in the death overs.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Javed knows nothing, Pak fans are clueless and keep overhyping our players which gets into their heads. Those three are only good when there is assistance in the pitch. There fitness levels are bad, pace has dropped and bowl wrong lines under pressure especially in the death overs.

Indian trundlers bar Bhumrah don't even have pace. I am sure Abrar could run up and bowl faster than Trundlers like Arshdeep. Stop this hero worship of Indian players.

 

[Major]

Considering there is 50 mm of rain predicted on the 27 Feb (Pak vs BD) in Pindi , Even the qudrat ka Nizam not gonna save us this time.

that rain is more important to us in Pindi/Islamabad that this match.

Lets hope it rains. There was no rain during this winter season, and water issue is predicted in the summers. Plus, the price of vegetables are gonna shoot up in ramazan as the farming yield was very low due to no rain around here.

 

[Nabeel23]

Indian trundlers bar Bhumrah don't even have pace. I am sure Abrar could run up and bowl faster than Trundlers like Arshdeep. Stop this hero worship of Indian players.

Its not hero worship, they have a better bowling brain and bowl to their fields so get more success. Our bowlers lose the plot once the batsman starts attacking them.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Its not hero worship, they have a better bowling brain and bowl to their fields so get more success. Our bowlers lose the plot once the batsman starts attacking them.

again they don't have the skill. Where were their brains when Rizwan and Babar humiliated them during 152/0?

 

[Nabeel23]

again they don't have the skill. Where were their brains when Rizwan and Babar humiliated them during 152/0?

Bro that was one match. Last year they choked our line up and we lost chasing a low total, that was total humiliation. Our bowling has been a let down, we have lost so many games due to it including the semi in that tournament. They are good bowlers but they need the right conditions to excel, Indian fast bowlers are much better currently in all 3 formats.

 

[saimayubera]

What IQ? What did they do in WC 2023 final or WTC final? They are weak team/JAMODI bullies usually with only Bhumrah stepping up in the recent Aus series and T20 WC. Siraj is a trundler who would struggle to get into Multan Sultans.

They lost to Aus, not Pak who got out in the group stages itself.

Siraj is a T20 WC/AC winner and has won/drawn series in SENA. Naseem, Shaheen, Rauf have won ZERO ICC/ACC trophies as well as ZERO test matches (forget series) in SENA.

 

[saimayubera]

again they don't have the skill. Where were their brains when Rizwan and Babar humiliated them during 152/0?

just one match in dew. pak fast bowlers themselves got smacked around in the semi and didn't even make the final.

rizwan and babar were humiliated in new york by ind pacers when they couldn't even chase 120 and guess what, unlike the 2021 pak losers actually won the cup.

 

[saimayubera]

Siraj? LOL! As Javed said about Irfan Pathan, we have a Siraj in every tape ball playing household here. Arshdeep isn't even worth discussing, he grunts to bowl 125 kmph and got dropped today vs BD LOL!

Siraj has match winning test fifers in SA and Aus which helped draw/win series. Rauf, Naseem, Shaheen lodus have won a sum total of ZERO test matches in SENA (forget series).

Siraj also helped India win the AC 2023 while the trio fialed in both AC 22 and 23.

Siraj also was part of T20 WC 24 in the USA leg (including the famous 120 chase). The trio failed in 21,22 and 24.

Arshdeep won the T20 WC 24 and bowled a great 2nd last over compared to Shaheen langda who was hit for three sixes in 2021 lol.

Rizwan, Rauf, Naseem, Shaheen have won a sum total of ZERO ICC trophies/ACC trophies/SENA test matches.

 

[saimayubera]

Siraj? LOL! As Javed said about Irfan Pathan, we have a Siraj in every tape ball playing household here. Arshdeep isn't even worth discussing, he grunts to bowl 125 kmph and got dropped today vs BD LOL!

Irfan is a T20 WC and CT winner (Was MoM in the 07 final too) which is basically Pak's cricketing achievements in the last 30 years lol.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yep seems to be true, last moments before an early exit for Pakistan.

 

[uppercut]

Cornered tigers, brothers. Don't underestimate the boys. The best is yet to come.

Exactly !

 

[shah9425]

Yeah final rites to be performed on 27th

 

[Adiram]

Not over but yeah chances have gone from 50% to 10 % LOL

No, it is 0% chance. IND will ensure that NZ win their second game by loosing, if they lose to BAN today (which is a remote). IND and NZ will sail into semis with at least 2 wins each. PAK has a chance of winning 1 match, against BAN, if there is a luck. Hence, it curtains for PAK.

 

[Adiram]

Indian trundlers bar Bhumrah don't even have pace. I am sure Abrar could run up and bowl faster than Trundlers like Arshdeep. Stop this hero worship of Indian players.

Can we discuss this subject again? Your so called world's best fast (fake) bowlers didn't even match part time bowler Hardik. Who is worshipping overrated bowlers?