Is PCB making a mistake by not getting a legal, bank guarantee from ECB for Pakistan tour in 2022?

[Savak]

I am not comfortable with Wasim Khan taking the position that it will not be ethically right to take advantage of the current pandemic by deliberately forcing the ECB to sign a legal agreement, bank guarantee that they will tour Pakistan in 2022 for a full fledged series.

Did anyone bother to help Pakistan Cricket and the PCB in the last ten years where we had to pay an exorbitant amount by playing all our matches in the UAE? What are the odds that the ECB will make a flimsy excuse in 2022 i.e. players are not comfortable touring Pakistan, the security situation while improved is not to the level of our satisfaction, the BCCI is not allowing us to tour Pakistan?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I am not comfortable with Wasim Khan taking the position that it will not be ethically right to take advantage of the current pandemic by deliberately forcing the ECB to sign a legal agreement, bank guarantee that they will tour Pakistan in 2022 for a full fledged series.

Did anyone bother to help Pakistan Cricket and the PCB in the last ten years where we had to pay an exorbitant amount by playing all our matches in the UAE? What are the odds that the ECB will make a flimsy excuse in 2022 i.e. players are not comfortable touring Pakistan, the security situation while improved is not to the level of our satisfaction, the BCCI is not allowing us to tour Pakistan?

The ECB gave us England as our new home until we messed it up. But yes we need a guarantee from them.

I don’t think Wasim Khan is that dumb. The way he got Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to come after insistent no’s, just wait and watch his magic unfold

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because ECB will not sign such an agreement.

 

[Bewal Express]

Building relations in this terrible pandemic is more important than trying to force guarantees. Ind has been trying to isolate us for years, we need friends. I bet you that if we didn't come, they would find NZ, SA, Aus, Ind happily turn up.

 

[U$ofA]

I am guessing a MOU is out of the question.

 

[chazam]

Every board looks out for themselves. Get a legal guarantee of return tour no freebies for any one.

 

[shamaan]

Building relations in this terrible pandemic is more important than trying to force guarantees. Ind has been trying to isolate us for years, we need friends. I bet you that if we didn't come, they would find NZ, SA, Aus, Ind happily turn up.

100 percent england can get any team to come to England

 

[shamaan]

Every board looks out for themselves. Get a legal guarantee of return tour no freebies for any one.

What if they dont sign the agreement ecb will find someone else and wont tour Pakistan for another 5 years

 

[shamaan]

I am not comfortable with Wasim Khan taking the position that it will not be ethically right to take advantage of the current pandemic by deliberately forcing the ECB to sign a legal agreement, bank guarantee that they will tour Pakistan in 2022 for a full fledged series.

Did anyone bother to help Pakistan Cricket and the PCB in the last ten years where we had to pay an exorbitant amount by playing all our matches in the UAE? What are the odds that the ECB will make a flimsy excuse in 2022 i.e. players are not comfortable touring Pakistan, the security situation while improved is not to the level of our satisfaction, the BCCI is not allowing us to tour Pakistan?

If Pakistan did have any agreement and england didnt sign it and Pakistan didnt tour England will get someone else to tour and they would not tour for another 5 years

So it's the right decision they have to tour or they will loose money and loose any chance of England coming

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Can we stop with the mistrust? England will no doubt be immensely grateful and the goodwill will be enough for Wasim Khan to convince them.

There’s no need for a legal statement which is insulting to say the least.

Lastly, England has every right to clear security before they visit Pakistan. And they will do it in any case. And they will find it is airtight. The single biggest thing we can do to encourage them to come is to build goodwill as we all know security isn’t the issue.

 

[AFM]

The reality behind closed door discussions will not be said out in public. That is how diplomacy works and Wasim Khan has proven himself to be shrewd in these matters.

 

[Savak]

If Pakistan did have any agreement and england didnt sign it and Pakistan didnt tour England will get someone else to tour and they would not tour for another 5 years

So it's the right decision they have to tour or they will loose money and loose any chance of England coming

Not sure where you are getting England can easily get someone else to tour. England has one of the highest Covid rates in the world right now. Even now there are reports that some Pakistani players are very apprehensive about going to England.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not sure where you are getting England can easily get someone else to tour. England has one of the highest Covid rates in the world right now. Even now there are reports that some Pakistani players are very apprehensive about going to England.

You think that teams won't come. Remember teams decide bilateral series themselves and there are huge TV contracts at stake with an home series against England. They would get someone and PK would lose out. PK would be relegated to 2 test tours once again. If PK players don't won't to come they shouldnt forced but there will be plenty of players that will happily come.

 

[Asifnow]

Building relations in this terrible pandemic is more important than trying to force guarantees. Ind has been trying to isolate us for years, we need friends. I bet you that if we didn't come, they would find NZ, SA, Aus, Ind happily turn up.

Australia is not turning up for an impromptu ashes lol India has obligations IN australia.

Neither SA nor NZ bring the financial clout of a Pakistan tour director good luck on ECB making a loss.

 

[Bewal Express]

Australia is not turning up for an impromptu ashes lol India has obligations IN australia.

Neither SA nor NZ bring the financial clout of a Pakistan tour director good luck on ECB making a loss.

PK is not a big draw for tests in England. PK fans don't turn out in any number for tests. Are you saying Ind are touring Australia in July - Aug?

 

[Watsupdoc]

Can we stop with the mistrust? England will no doubt be immensely grateful and the goodwill will be enough for Wasim Khan to convince them.

There’s no need for a legal statement which is insulting to say the least.

Lastly, England has every right to clear security before they visit Pakistan. And they will do it in any case. And they will find it is airtight. The single biggest thing we can do to encourage them to come is to build goodwill as we all know security isn’t the issue.

Completely agree with this. Wasim Khan has worked in the ECB set-up before as well, so he has good relations there and how things work.

Time to show a bit of trust rather than forcing ECB to sign some kind of agreement.

 

[hitthestump]

I am guessing a MOU is out of the question.

Can't believe this post didn't get more love

 

[sweep_shot]

Not sure if pissing off ECB is a great idea. PCB needs to keep great relations with different boards (including ECB).

 

[Slim]

Its ECB and not BCCI - no need to show such distrust. They will tour if they say they will provided we have adequate security measures in place.

 

[aloo paratha]

No. That's just morally wrong imo.

 

[Markhor]

The reality behind closed door discussions will not be said out in public. That is how diplomacy works and Wasim Khan has proven himself to be shrewd in these matters.

This. Honestly some folks have a funny idea of how diplomacy should be conducted.

Unlike Ijaz Butt and previous PCB heads, Mani and Wasim are savvy enough not to publicly blurt out a quid pro quo. In public they'll make noises about solidarity and unity in the face of a common threat, but privately PCB no doubt will be pushing their case for a return tour.

 

[Asifnow]

PK is not a big draw for tests in England. PK fans don't turn out in any number for tests. Are you saying Ind are touring Australia in July - Aug?

Can you quote me the information you have where Pakistan is not a big draw for tests in England?

The 2016 series was one of the most financially successful test series in England, in fact if you compare it to India's turn out in 2018 which has such poor ticket sales they had to eventually bring it up on Sky broadcast (who never bring up anything negative regarding India) in the bid to get more sells.

So I'm curious what makes you think the opposite?

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Its ECB and not BCCI - no need to show such distrust. They will tour if they say they will provided we have adequate security measures in place.

Their women's team refused to tour Pak in December despite Wasim Khan's connection with the ECB and their women's cricketers in particular through his work for Chance to Shine.

 

[Bewal Express]

Can you quote me the information you have where Pakistan is not a big draw for tests in England?

The 2016 series was one of the most financially successful test series in England, in fact if you compare it to India's turn out in 2018 which has such poor ticket sales they had to eventually bring it up on Sky broadcast (who never bring up anything negative regarding India) in the bid to get more sells.

So I'm curious what makes you think the opposite?

The number of PK fans in the stadiums for tests is very small. There is the odd day when there is a decent turnout. The Indian fans dont turn out for tests either, but the TV rights to Ind brings in much more.

 

[shamaan]

Not sure where you are getting England can easily get someone else to tour. England has one of the highest Covid rates in the world right now. Even now there are reports that some Pakistani players are very apprehensive about going to England.

Of course they can india are opened to tour Sri lanka west indies already going to be touring so are Pakistan only team who wont is austrlia and india.yes sure they have but the tour is 2 months down the line things will settle down.which players has been reported that might not tour.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Their women's team refused to tour Pak in December despite Wasim Khan's connection with the ECB and their women's cricketers in particular through his work for Chance to Shine.

This was before Bangladesh toured, before PSL 5 was hosted in Pak for the first time, and before they were indebted to the PCB for touring during a global crisis.

Wasim Khan has played the game well, just be patient while they negotiate behind the scenes...

 

[Geil]

Totally agree with Wasim that would be really not right taking advantage of a pandemic situation, this is a very big opportunity for PCB if England agrees to tour Pak then no one can deny touring Pak even NZ RSA and AUS. This is a golden opportunity which should not be missed by PCB

 

[Hasan123]

It is not other boards responsibility to finance PCB. It is not the other boards fault what happened to Sri Lanka team in 2009. Dont understand why OP thinks other boards should finance Pakistan.

You can't force anyone to tour anywhere. Our fans mentality when it comes to other countries not touring is a joke. You don't decide what is safe for someone else. I hope England tour but if they don't I respect there decision. All of you should think the same instead of trying to find a way to blackmail them into it. Ultimately OP idea is blackmail.

 

[Savak]

It is not other boards responsibility to finance PCB. It is not the other boards fault what happened to Sri Lanka team in 2009. Dont understand why OP thinks other boards should finance Pakistan.

You can't force anyone to tour anywhere. Our fans mentality when it comes to other countries not touring is a joke. You don't decide what is safe for someone else. I hope England tour but if they don't I respect there decision. All of you should think the same instead of trying to find a way to blackmail them into it. Ultimately OP idea is blackmail.

It's funny how this logic is applied only exclusively to the PCB but not the rest of the world where the BCCI is willing to help out all the other boards impacted by the Covid 19 crisis.

And yes you can decide what is safe for others based on statistics and facts on the ground otherwise certain teams and players will refuse to tour certain undesirable boring places

 

[Hasan123]

It's funny how this logic is applied only exclusively to the PCB but not the rest of the world where the BCCI is willing to help out all the other boards impacted by the Covid 19 crisis.

And yes you can decide what is safe for others based on statistics and facts on the ground otherwise certain teams and players will refuse to tour certain undesirable boring places

No team has a responsibility to help another out. Get a grip.

 

[Savak]

No team has a responsibility to help another out. Get a grip.

Then the BCCI shouldn't be helping others out either. Can't have one rule for one and a different set of rules for another

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then the BCCI shouldn't be helping others out either. Can't have one rule for one and a different set of rules for another

Bcci is doing it voluntarily. Its Bcci's wish who they help who they dont. Help is volutary, its not a compulsion.