Is Shadab Khan suitable for batting at the number 5 batting position?

[MenInG]

Aamir Sohail not happy with Shadab batting at number 5.

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Aamir Sohail on his YouTube

“I feel that the our system is totally exposed when a utility player, I don’t want to use the word bits and pieces player, Shadab Khan bats at number five. It exposes your entire system. You don’t have two openers. You are sending a message to the aspiring and upcoming openers that you should not do it because we are going to use a middle-order batsman for that slot,” Sohail said.

“The batting order in each game is different. This shows that there is no thinking involved. I would only say that they will have to raise their game. They have to pull up their socks. They have to make the right decisions that have some planning and motives behind them. We have already lost the series. We should win the next game to salvage some pride. The next game can only be won if they start thinking. The players’ shot selection and shocked reactions to bouncers that a lot of work needs to be done to bring quality into the side,”

 

[omairsiddiqui]

Only Shadab Khan thinks that he is suited to the #5 position.

 

[JibranAnsari]

the team management is over estimating him

 

[Mamoon]

He isn’t. This drama of Shadab becoming a top-order/middle-order batsman will end soon. He is nothing more than a number 8 or 9.

Thank you PSL and you pathetic standard bowling. Cannot believe PSL bowlers allowed him to score runs consistently and convincingly up the order.

 

[Mamoon]

You compare his batting to other number 5s in the game. It feels like comedy.

One day some opposition captain will burst with laughter to see this glorified tail-ender come to the crease with Pakistan only 3 down.

 

[Gullycricket]

The only reason he is even playing above Imad is because of captaincy. I would take Imad at 5 rather than this tailender

 

[Bewal Express]

No. He is a good 7 or 8

 

[Hawkeye]

The only reason he is even playing above Imad is because of captaincy. I would take Imad at 5 rather than this tailender

That's like saying replace Honda City (Shadab) with Suzuki Alto (Imad).

Both aren't power houses.

Look, Shadab isn't great, but Imad is much much worse than Shadab.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

That's like saying replace Honda City (Shadab) with Suzuki Alto (Imad).

Both aren't power houses.

Look, Shadab isn't great, but Imad is much much worse than Shadab.

You are clueless. I honestly don’t think anyone else gets things wrong as much as you

 

[Hawkeye]

You are clueless. I honestly don’t think anyone else gets things wrong as much as you

Yep!

Like always backing Hafeez, our only dynamic batsman. 99% people realizing only now that our only savior is Hafeez. Used to be the most hated guy around here.

All the "youngsta beauty" crap that gets hyped up here is 99% fraud. No actual talent or ability.

Other people that I've always called out are Khushdil Shah, Rizwan.

Both terrible terrible T20/ODI batters.

People only seeing it now.

 

[Rayyman]

Shadab Khan never deserved to be selected for Pakistan.

He had a few okay games and was selected for all 3 squads and never dropped since.

Golden Boy of Pakistan Cricket.

Sure, play him in the squad, but the captain? That’s just blatant nepotism.

 

[Markhor]

What a fraud. Was hoping he'd turned the corner after PSL and NT20 but nope, still not good enough in both departments.

 

[reversehook]

Problem is those in charge are horrible, and every Tom Dick n Harry analyst from outside speaks golden words of wisdom until they come in charge and its a vicious cycle...

 

[Kaddy]

You compare his batting to other number 5s in the game. It feels like comedy.

One day some opposition captain will burst with laughter to see this glorified tail-ender come to the crease with Pakistan only 3 down.

And some posters wanted him to be our test captain as well because he's a 'natural leader'

 

[taqi]

Imad is far better than him in batting He can pack the punch when needed we saw it in PSL we saw against Afghanistan so i guess he needs to replace Shadab and play Usman Qadir as proper legspinner

 

[Mamoon]

“PSL’s bowling is the best” )

 

[Hasan123]

His strike rate in ODIs is a joke. What are you expecting in T20s?

 

[Rana]

What a lol at no.5

 

[UzmanBeast]

He isn’t. This drama of Shadab becoming a top-order/middle-order batsman will end soon. He is nothing more than a number 8 or 9.

Thank you PSL and you pathetic standard bowling. Cannot believe PSL bowlers allowed him to score runs consistently and convincingly up the order.

In the PSL, Shadab only dominated primarily against spin and the third-string bowlers like Rahat Ali.

He's good for hitting a few, but by no means capable of playing in the top 6. Our No.5 slot should go to someone like Hussain Talat, who is a capable batsman and can bowl a few overs if ever necessary. There are other options as well, but I feel like Talat needs a consistent run to show what he's capable of.

Shadab needs to pick one thing to focus on, his bowling or batting. He has seriously fallen off as a bowler, bowling longhops, full-tosses and half-trackers. If he can't guarantee a respectable level of bowling, then he is not fit enough to be our frontline spinner, and we should look no further than Usman Qadir to fill in that role.

 

[angrypathan]

In the PSL, Shadab only dominated primarily against spin and the third-string bowlers like Rahat Ali.

He's good for hitting a few, but by no means capable of playing in the top 6. Our No.5 slot should go to someone like Hussain Talat, who is a capable batsman and can bowl a few overs if ever necessary. There are other options as well, but I feel like Talat needs a consistent run to show what he's capable of.

Shadab needs to pick one thing to focus on, his bowling or batting. He has seriously fallen off as a bowler, bowling longhops, full-tosses and half-trackers. If he can't guarantee a respectable level of bowling, then he is not fit enough to be our frontline spinner, and we should look no further than Usman Qadir to fill in that role.

Talat needs to spend a year in the wilderness to work on his fielding alone.

 

[Rana]

“PSL’s bowling is the best” )

Well IPL batting is the best because India has natural batting talent....

 

[UzmanBeast]

Talat needs to spend a year in the wilderness to work on his fielding alone.

In that case, book a tour for the Pakistan National Team to this so-called wilderness, because everyone is pathetic in the field.

 

[adzzy786]

Always said this from day one, the self certified Brian Lara would be a flop on the international stage

 

[Ahson8]

He played two innings at #5 this series and did well in the first.

Maybe give him a proper run at #5 before making a final decision.

 

[Mamoon]

Always said this from day one, the self certified Brian Lara would be a flop on the international stage

More like self-appointed Smith. His scam has gone on for far too long now. A nothing cricketer other than diving around like a dolphin in the field.

 

[Mercurial]

Shadab, Imad and Fahim are unreliable with the bat in T20I cricket. Shadab and Fahim almost cost us the match. Imad is reliable with the bat in ODIs though.

 

[Mercurial]

Yep!

Like always backing Hafeez, our only dynamic batsman. 99% people realizing only now that our only savior is Hafeez. Used to be the most hated guy around here.

All the "youngsta beauty" crap that gets hyped up here is 99% fraud. No actual talent or ability.

Other people that I've always called out are Khushdil Shah, Rizwan.

Both terrible terrible T20/ODI batters.

People only seeing it now.

Rizwan played the best T20I knock by a Pakistani batsman, most probably, and you are calling him a terrible T20 batter. This clearly shows you are jealous of him. Get a life.

 

[Mercurial]

That's like saying replace Honda City (Shadab) with Suzuki Alto (Imad).

Both aren't power houses.

Look, Shadab isn't great, but Imad is much much worse than Shadab.

Imad is the best T20I spinner in the world.

 

[Hawkeye]

Rizwan played the best T20I knock by a Pakistani batsman, most probably, and you are calling him a terrible T20 batter. This clearly shows you are jealous of him. Get a life.

Sure, after losing us the 2 T20s that mattered, and we lost the series?

And, despite all his horrible T20 international stints in the past?

Look, one innings can never define a player or his ability and talent. Agarkar has a century at lords but Tendulkar doesn't. Now, is Agarkar a better batsman than Tendulkar?

You have to think neutrally. Not because you're from his city.

Does have the ability to pace his innings as required in T20s, hit the pacers, and not hop/jump around on the pitch?

Answer is no, he can't do that. A fluke will not change it.

 

[naseem]

No. 6 is ok...but I want him at 7...and Iftikhar at 6.....

Babar
Sharjeel
Haider
Hafeez
Rizwan
Iftikhar
Shadab/Imad
Danish/Azam
Faheem
Saheen
Hasnain/Rauf

 

[naseem]

Imad is the best T20I spinner in the world.

But we all know he is loosing it rapidly along with shadab

 

[ShahidDar08]

He is Ideal at number 7 both in ODIs and Two's. He should focus on his bowling (which is his primary job) rather than becoming a top order batsman.

 

[shamaan]

He should bat at 7 should not bat in the top 5.very good player

 

[shamaan]

Rizwan played the best T20I knock by a Pakistani batsman, most probably, and you are calling him a terrible T20 batter. This clearly shows you are jealous of him. Get a life.

not jelous but his stats look terrible.but i hope he keeps performing with the bat in t20s

 

[shamaan]

What a fraud. Was hoping he'd turned the corner after PSL and NT20 but nope, still not good enough in both departments.

his batting has been ok and is bowling has been ok nothing to good and nothing to bad.

 

[topspin]

Rizwan played the best T20I knock by a Pakistani batsman, most probably, and you are calling him a terrible T20 batter. This clearly shows you are jealous of him. Get a life.

Well said. Its Pakistanis like Hawkeye which sum up why the nation has a rotten mentality in all aspects of life.

 

[Saj]

This may change in future, but at this moment in time he should not be batting at number in any format of international cricket.

It may work in the PSL or against the likes of Zimbabwe, but not against most decent opponents.

 

[Mrhandsome]

He is your typical 'bits and pieces' player. As someone already said in this thread ,a glorified tailender.
Players like Shadab, Faheem, Khushdil, Iftikar and Rizwan should not be in the limited over formats for Pakistan. None of them has any talent and no, wildly connecting a few hits to leg side doesn't mean talent. Fakhar too has been found out and shouldn't be brought back unless he works magically on his big shortcomings.

 

[RickyG]

Pakistan fans are the most fickle and volatile in the world

Here you have a guy who is young, has talent and actual desire to be the best cricketer he can but he's being knocked down. I don't have a problem with Shadab getting an extended run at number 5.

What other young cricketers do you have who have all 3 of those things?

Most of our cricketers are like Imad Wasim who has decided he wants to be a lower order hitter and bowl 2 darty overs every T20 game. He could've been a proper test all-rounder and middle-order batsman in ODIs if he wanted to be. But nope he wants to make the most amount of money with the least amount of effort.

 

[RickyG]

This may change in future, but at this moment in time he should not be batting at number in any format of international cricket.

It may work in the PSL or against the likes of Zimbabwe, but not against most decent opponents.

Then we shouldn't complain when Shoaib Malik earns a recall.

The fact Abdullah Shafique scored back to back ducks on the same tracks where Hafeez pummelled bowlers should tell you the standard of our young cricketers.

We don't have outstanding T20 batsmen. Shadab looked better than Khushdil and whatever young talent we have. The less said about Shafique the better.

 

[shamaan]

Then we shouldn't complain when Shoaib Malik earns a recall.

The fact Abdullah Shafique scored back to back ducks on the same tracks where Hafeez pummelled bowlers should tell you the standard of our young cricketers.

We don't have outstanding T20 batsmen. Shadab looked better than Khushdil and whatever young talent we have. The less said about Shafique the better.

You cant judge someone based upon 2 innnings .

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Then we shouldn't complain when Shoaib Malik earns a recall.

The fact Abdullah Shafique scored back to back ducks on the same tracks where Hafeez pummelled bowlers should tell you the standard of our young cricketers.

We don't have outstanding T20 batsmen. Shadab looked better than Khushdil and whatever young talent we have. The less said about Shafique the better.

There would've been a time that even Hafeez and Malik were getting ducks when they first started, experience is built over time and not straight away. You have to give these players time to get better and inshAllah when they revisit they will get better scores, however for now we can't be overly judgmental of them from a handful of low scores.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

You cant judge someone based upon 2 innnings .

Our fans expect our players to hit the ground running, stupid standards are being set.

 

[Saj]

Then we shouldn't complain when Shoaib Malik earns a recall.

The fact Abdullah Shafique scored back to back ducks on the same tracks where Hafeez pummelled bowlers should tell you the standard of our young cricketers.

We don't have outstanding T20 batsmen. Shadab looked better than Khushdil and whatever young talent we have. The less said about Shafique the better.

Makes no difference - Shadab is not a number 5 batsman, whoever you want him to compare to.

 

[Justcrazy]

He can be tried at number 5 in OD , maybe give him 3 - 4 games at number 5 , I think he would do well.

 

[RickyG]

Makes no difference - Shadab is not a number 5 batsman, whoever you want him to compare to.

Who is though? I would rather invest in a cricketer with ability and desire to improve than cricketers with no talent but domestic stats showing they did well at number 5.

 

[RickyG]

You cant judge someone based upon 2 innnings .

The irony of this post is amazing. Coincidentally that is also the number of innings Shadab batted at 5.

 

[RickyG]

There would've been a time that even Hafeez and Malik were getting ducks when they first started, experience is built over time and not straight away. You have to give these players time to get better and inshAllah when they revisit they will get better scores, however for now we can't be overly judgmental of them from a handful of low scores.

Do you also not see the irony of your post? Shadab is 22 and Shaifque is 21.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Who is though? I would rather invest in a cricketer with ability and desire to improve than cricketers with no talent but domestic stats showing they did well at number 5.

This right here is the problem with Pakistan cricket fans.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

This right here is the problem with Pakistan cricket fans.

Yep i don't even know what that means "desire to improve" surely that's what domestic players are doing as well? People with no patience expect players to hit the ground running. Give it time, things ain't gonna happen at a snap of the fingers.

 

[RickyG]

This right here is the problem with Pakistan cricket fans.

So you would rather have Kamran Akmal back? Good to know.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Do you also not see the irony of your post? Shadab is 22 and Shaifque is 21.

Where's the irony? Shadab has more t20 international experience than both Khushdil and Abduallah combined, you must prepare for tomorrow today by giving people chances. It's fans like you that say if you fail you are toast and if they do good you sing your praises for them. I love it when newbies get a chance it allows us to exercise our strength and prepare for when the experienced players retire.

How long is Malik gonna last? How long is Hafeez gonna last? You'll become stuck once you start giving fresh faces and try after these guys retire as oppose to now. The guys on the domestic level have also worked hard and they to deserve a chance but if we keep lambasting them for a handful of low scores then what good is that. My dua is that these guys come good and achieve the records they inshAllah hope to achieve.

 

[usmanraheel]

I wish we had some decent players , then we can actually throw the likes of Shadab , Faheem, Imad and Rizwan out of white ball cricket.

Like someone mentioned, I don't think these guys have what it takes to be good white ball cricketers.

Shadab is not a good batsmen, I have been watching him since he first debuted in PSL. He had some really good innings where he contributed lower down the order. But , he can't be in the top 6. That is just an insult to other players/batsmen who should be getting the opportunity. Shadab needs to focus on his bowling , if he isn't getting regular wickets then drop him.

 

[RickyG]

Where's the irony? Shadab has more t20 international experience than both Khushdil and Abduallah combined, you must prepare for tomorrow today by giving people chances. It's fans like you that say if you fail you are toast and if they do good you sing your praises for them. I love it when newbies get a chance it allows us to exercise our strength and prepare for when the experienced players retire.

How long is Malik gonna last? How long is Hafeez gonna last? You'll become stuck once you start giving fresh faces and try after these guys retire as oppose to now. The guys on the domestic level have also worked hard and they to deserve a chance but if we keep lambasting them for a handful of low scores then what good is that. My dua is that these guys come good and achieve the records they inshAllah hope to achieve.

Shadab is 22. You have swords out after 2 innings batting at 5. In one of them he actually top scored. And you're lecturing me about giving people chances. That's the irony.

I actually don't want Malik back. My gripe with Shafique is that he skipped the queue because of connections. Not just that he didn't even bother applying himself. I hope he proves me wrong but at the moment he doesn't belong.

Khushdil has a lot of improvements to make. His shot selection is terrible and he doesn't know how to rotate the strike.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Shadab is 22. You have swords out after 2 innings batting at 5. In one of them he actually top scored. And you're lecturing me about giving people chances. That's the irony.

I actually don't want Malik back. My gripe with Shafique is that he skipped the queue because of connections. Not just that he didn't even bother applying himself. I hope he proves me wrong but at the moment he doesn't belong.

Khushdil has a lot of improvements to make. His shot selection is terrible and he doesn't know how to rotate the strike.

Shafique doesn’t have connections. He made the team off of a bad selection decision where he was identified as extremely talented (which he is) but fast tracked before he was ready, off of one season.

 

[RickyG]

Shafique doesn’t have connections. He made the team off of a bad selection decision where he was identified as extremely talented (which he is) but fast tracked before he was ready, off of one season.

Without complete certainty, the fact his father and uncle are ex-cricketers suggests otherwise.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Shadab is 22. You have swords out after 2 innings batting at 5. In one of them he actually top scored. And you're lecturing me about giving people chances. That's the irony.

I actually don't want Malik back. My gripe with Shafique is that he skipped the queue because of connections. Not just that he didn't even bother applying himself. I hope he proves me wrong but at the moment he doesn't belong.

Khushdil has a lot of improvements to make. His shot selection is terrible and he doesn't know how to rotate the strike.

You have Shadab who might be older by 1 year but he has experience of 46 t20 intls as compared to Abdullah who has 3, you keep going on about age and not experience age is negligible also look at how much PSL Shadab has played in comparison add that onto the bargain.

Khushdil i can agree about he needs to work on his off side game and strike rotation which can be taught with time. However, anything leg side the guy can absolutely pummel to death.

 

[RickyG]

You have Shadab who might be older by 1 year but he has experience of 46 t20 intls as compared to Abdullah who has 3, you keep going on about age and not experience age is negligible also look at how much PSL Shadab has played in comparison add that onto the bargain.

Khushdil i can agree about he needs to work on his off side game and strike rotation which can be taught with time. However, anything leg side the guy can absolutely pummel to death.

Shadab Khan had a very good PSL this year and scored 3 50s in 8 innings at a strike rate of 160. Thanks for mentioning that.

Out of 46 internationals, he has batted in 19. Out of those 19, in 11 he has batted at 8, 9, 10.

You're writing him off after 3 innings batting at number 5. In only one of them he actually really didn't do well.

If Shafique hasn't played PSL then why was he selected? Surely PSL is of a higher standard than the domestic T20 tournament. Even you would agree with that.

Khushdul usually pummels it to the fielder on the leg side boundary.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Shadab Khan had a very good PSL this year and scored 3 50s in 8 innings at a strike rate of 160. Thanks for mentioning that.

Out of 46 internationals, he has batted in 19. Out of those 19, in 11 he has batted at 8, 9, 10.

You're writing him off after 3 innings batting at number 5. In only one of them he actually really didn't do well.

If Shafique hasn't played PSL then why was he selected? Surely PSL is of a higher standard than the domestic T20 tournament. Even you would agree with that.

Khushdul usually pummels it to the fielder on the leg side boundary.

Dude, you are getting confused. When did i write anyone off or Shadab for that matter? You are missing my point, my only point is that give the inexperienced players chances, let them go out there and play their natural game and if they fail they can learn from it and build upon it. But, by letting them know that they are gonna be dropped from a handful of failures is injustice in my view and would make any player nervous. I said it before and i will say it again, to get the best out of someone it takes time and investment.

 

[shamaan]

The irony of this post is amazing. Coincidentally that is also the number of innings Shadab batted at 5.

I no how many times hes batted at 5 you do not need to tel me that.in one of games he top scored and should be given more oportunities to bat at 5.i am not hating on shadab

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Thats what i have always said if you pick a youngester make sure you back them and give them a resonable oportunities before writing them off

Yep waaaay too early to write Abdullah off, this was a good assignment for him and to play the Shaheen games is also a good learning experience.

 

[Saj]

He's said today at the PSL draft that he wants to bat up the order at the PSL (depending on the match situation).

 

[Tubs]

No, he's a decent #7, good #8. Perhaps in a few years he could become a decent #6.

 

[sweep_shot]

He can bat at #5 in T20. Not ODI. Definitely not Test.

 

[shamaan]

Looks like hes going to take the responsibility to bat up the order

 

[WicketLord]

Shadab Khan is batting very well in the first ODI vs Afghanistan. Even Pakistan's top-order batsmen failed today. I hope, he will also bowl just as well.

 

[Farabi]

No.

 

[shamaan]

He should be batting were he batted today he's simply not good enough to bat at 5

 

[Saj]

Number 5? No.

Number 6 or 7 is more suitable to the way he bats.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

number 4 and 5 batsmen are expected to consolidate the innings. so i will go for saud shakeel to bat at 4 and rizwan at 5.

 

[MenInG]

Shadab Khan needs to be given more confidence to play in one of these slots. His batting will play an important role in our World Cup campaign

 

[Bewal Express]

He is an 8. A good 8

 

[Cricket Warrior]

He is an 8. A good 8

I'd prefer to place him in the batting lineup's seventh position, which aligns well with his batting approach. Opting for Nawaz would be my choice for the eighth position if he plays tomorrow.

 

[Rana]

Pakistani cricketers, let’s make them run before they learn how to walk.

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[Bewal Express]

I'd prefer to place him in the batting lineup's seventh position, which aligns well with his batting approach. Opting for Nawaz would be my choice for the eighth position if he plays tomorrow.

If Shadab is at 7, we aren't winning the WC. We would be late, middle order batsman light.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

If Shadab is at 7, we aren't winning the WC. We would be late, middle order batsman light.

Shadab isn't the solution for the middle order. We need specialist batsmen who can play at number four, while Rizwan takes the fifth position. there is no need to over burden shadab.

 

[Bewal Express]

Shadab isn't the solution for the middle order. We need specialist batsmen who can play at number four, while Rizwan takes the fifth position. there is no need to over burden shadab.

Agreed. He is an 8, we just need a 7, with chacha at 6, I agree Riz at 5 and Agha at 4, but I am still not sure about him but the alternatives any better

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Agreed. He is an 8, we just need a 7, with chacha at 6, I agree Riz at 5 and Agha at 4, but I am still not sure about him but the alternatives any better

i will add saud shakeel at number 4.. Ifti is more suitable for t20 cricket not for ODIs.

 

[Bewal Express]

i will add saud shakeel at number 4.. Ifti is more suitable for t20 cricket not for ODIs.

Saud Sh is unknown in ODI, would you take that risk. He lacks power and will hev have the range of shots. Too many questions at this late stage

 

[Firebat]

Shadab is absolutely perfect at 7/8 doing exactly what he did yesterday. He needs to be working on his bowling, forget giving him more batting responsibility.