Rana
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Not there yet, has to perform against better teams and overseas.
I think the next time he tours South Africa, he will cause absolute havoc
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Not there yet, has to perform against better teams and overseas.
If he learns to bowl with the old ball then this guy will be unstoppable.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On his 22nd birthday Shaheen Shah Afridi has reached 200 international wickets:<br><br>Tests - 95 wickets in 24 matches at an average of 25.08<br><br>ODIs - 59 wickets in 30 matches. Average of 23.86, economy-rate of 5.53<br><br>T20Is - 47 wickets. Average of 24.31, economy-rate of 7.75<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1511448787906146310?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Agreed,
In tests, yet to hit his peak and master his craft.
Should be a lot more to come in tests.
The left-arm pacer has appointed as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Police Department's "Goodwill Ambassador" to promote a softer image of the police and bridge the trust deficit between the police and the public.
For this, a ceremony was held in Peshawar where Shaheen Afridi was appointed as an honorary Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP).
Addressing the people present at the event, Afridi paid tribute to the martyrs of KP police and praised everyone for playing a vital role in ensuring safety of the citizens.
Afridi further claimed that since his father was a retired officer of KP police, it can prove to be a thankless job. The left-arm pacer further added that his brother is also presently employed in the department.
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Nah against somewhat decent opposition since the start of 2020 he has averages:
51 in England
42 in NZ
28 at home vs SA
36 at home vs Aus
Probably wouldn’t get a game for a few teams at the moment - Australia for sure
He started abnormally early, and had to shoulder huge responsibility as the main man even as an inexperienced test player. Till date he hasn't played more than 7 1st class games.
He has done well if we don't lose perspective of his situation.
People expect more because of his talent but we have to be a bit more patient. He is fast learner. Remember, he couldn't swing the ball a cm 2 years ago. Now he swings it like crazy.
He will eventually ace this format too, it's a matter of time.
Yeah thats probably fair he is only 22.
I just feel that there are comparisons made (mostly on here) that rank him higher than he should be given his results so far - he could go on to be a top 5 quality bowler in the world but I feel that at the moment Cummins, Rabada, Bumrah, Hazlewood and Shami I'd say are clearly better and Shaheen definitely hasnt done anything to differentiate himself from Starc, Jamieson, Southee and Boult so far against the good teams.
I feel he gets overhyped so far based on what the could become - I don't go around saying Cameron Green is the best all rounder in the world because I feel he could be a 40+/30- player when Stokes and Jadeja are clearly better players at the moment who I would select in a team before Green
Yeah thats probably fair he is only 22.
I just feel that there are comparisons made (mostly on here) that rank him higher than he should be given his results so far - he could go on to be a top 5 quality bowler in the world but I feel that at the moment Cummins, Rabada, Bumrah, Hazlewood and Shami I'd say are clearly better and Shaheen definitely hasnt done anything to differentiate himself from Starc, Jamieson, Southee and Boult so far against the good teams.
I feel he gets overhyped so far based on what the could become - I don't go around saying Cameron Green is the best all rounder in the world because I feel he could be a 40+/30- player when Stokes and Jadeja are clearly better players at the moment who I would select in a team before Green
Nah against somewhat decent opposition since the start of 2020 he has averages:
51 in England
42 in NZ
28 at home vs SA
36 at home vs Aus
Probably wouldn’t get a game for a few teams at the moment - Australia for sure
Averages 36 vs Aus as a whole which includes 2 tests of his first ever Aus tour. This is going to come down most likely as he plays more.
Also those were his first Nz and Eng tours and not to forget that he came to international red ball side with just 1-3 FC games behind him so he naturally was going to take some time to adapt let alone playing in those conditions when he was yet to find his feet at test level. There have been quite a few top pacers who despite having good amount of FC behind them at the time of their debut struggled in their first tours of most SENA countries. Have just played 3 matches vs NZ and Eng so far each so averages don't necessarily depict much currently other then a young guy on his first tours to these countries.
Cant think of any team other than Aus (Due to a trio at peak) where Shaheen wont be playing as one of their main seamers if not the main.
That was the recent series 1-0 vs Australia
Not sure if he’d get a game for SA as well - Rabada Nortje and Jansen are really good
Even India - Bumrah, Shami and Siraj might all be better at the present time than Shaheen, at least against good opposition.
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No doubt he will be good but so far he hasn’t performed at all against any decent batting sides. If people are going to call him things like one of the leading new ball bowlers in the world, which has been said in this thread thst is just inaccurate. Not to say he won’t turn out to be
That was the recent series 1-0 vs Australia
Not sure if he’d get a game for SA as well - Rabada Nortje and Jansen are really good
Even India - Bumrah, Shami and Siraj might all be better at the present time than Shaheen, at least against good opposition.
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No doubt he will be good but so far he hasn’t performed at all against any decent batting sides. If people are going to call him things like one of the leading new ball bowlers in the world, which has been said in this thread thst is just inaccurate. Not to say he won’t turn out to be
Nah man, that's a stretch.
He is better than both Jansen and Nortje. Can't blindly look at averages. Which great team Nortje has done well against? And where?
Nortje has never played on the kind of hopeless wickets Shaheen had at home vs Australia or even away vs Australia in 2019 (even Cummins averaged over 30). When Nortje got really tough subcontinent conditions vs India in 2019, what did he do? Averaged 180.
Jansen has played 5 games, 3 at home in conditions where every bowler did well. He is a slower, swing less version of Afridi. Yeah no team is picking him over Afridi, that's just a ridiculous assertion.
Bowlers look good because of the quality of their attack too. It's laughable to think Siraj would be preferred over Shaheen had India him available.
Teams don't blindly chose on stats like a robot either. Or Starc wouldn't be preferred over Pattinson.
With the new ball, he is special. It will be hard for anyone to take your opinion seriously if you don't see that.
To label Shaheen as the leading new ball bowler in the world, Shaheen must get openers out, which he consistently does. All them hacks only last 3 balls against him and edge it to the slips.
No one is going around calling Shaheen the best test bowler in the world. Shaheen clearly still has a long way to go in test cricket. Although I would argue that Shaheen is a better ODI bowler than most of the bowlers you've stated above.
Yep the SA comment probably wrong. Still, looking at average no. of top 3 wickets against the proper teams (SA, Eng, Aus, , Pak, Ind and NZ) since 2020:
Afridi: 1.3
Jamieson: 1.7
Cummins: 2
Bumrah: 1.5
Rabada: 1.7
Anderson: 1.63
I'd consider these guys the elite new ball bowlers. Get rid of the home games by just saying away guys - you will find the same results. Shaheen hasn't had any decent performances against decent teams unfortunately
Also that series vs Aus in 19/20 was Cummins' worst series of his career, and Starc + Hazlewood both averaged <= 22
The left-arm pacer has appointed as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Police Department's "Goodwill Ambassador" to promote a softer image of the police and bridge the trust deficit between the police and the public.
For this, a ceremony was held in Peshawar where Shaheen Afridi was appointed as an honorary Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP).
Addressing the people present at the event, Afridi paid tribute to the martyrs of KP police and praised everyone for playing a vital role in ensuring safety of the citizens.
Afridi further claimed that since his father was a retired officer of KP police, it can prove to be a thankless job. The left-arm pacer further added that his brother is also presently employed in the department.
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I am not convinced on Shaheen.
What do you mean by convinced? He has tons of potential. Problem is hyping it prematurely without anything noteworthy. Time is on his side, but a good prospect for future.
I am not convinced on Shaheen.
He is 22 and is the most promising young fast bowler in cricket currently.
But yes the hype on PP calling him the best in the world is unnecessary. He isn't the best.
This reminded me of the hype for Amir.
Here is my take on him. He is a very good bowler. Has been on the circuit for a while and has shown he belongs.
To be the best, he has to prove himself away from home in SENA. For that, he also has to develop new things in his bowling - potent outswing, reverse swing, patience.
I don’t know how one measures potential objectively. All we can really comment on is performance and that requires uplifting to move from very good to excellent.
Getting better with every outing - what a bowler!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shaheen Shah Afridi, what a bowler, what a bright future:<br><br>Tests - 99 wickets at an average of 24.65<br>ODIs - 62 wickets at an average of 23.87<br>T20Is - 47 wickets at an average of 24.31<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1548312130511810562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2022</a></blockquote>
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I hope this is not his peak.
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He is a young bowler with plenty to learn and improve.
An average of 38 vs SENA teams in Test Cricket?? That's pretty poor by all standards. Looks like he is backed due to potential. Same as Pant in LOIs.![]()
Shaheens record against the major teams like Australia, England is poor especially in test cricket. He was a big disappointment in the Australian series.
Those were brutal pitches. Reverse wasn't always on offer and it was all about grabbing moments. Not to mention Australia had to bowl to an inferior batting line-up.
Still he was about as good as Starc (1 more wicket but averaged 1 more)
True but Shaheen is no debutant or novice. This was the time to make a mark and he will only do that on the biggest stage ie test cricket against the top tier teams and if he does that on flat wickets then nothing like it.
An average of 38 vs SENA teams in Test Cricket?? That's pretty poor by all standards. Looks like he is backed due to potential. Same as Pant in LOIs.![]()
I get that expectations are high from him as it should be but we must also not lose perspective of the situation. Even Cummins averaged near 50 after 1st 2 games, then turned it around in the 3rd game.
Tell you what, he was not in the best physical condition then (down on average speed) and he isn't looking in the best condition now. His workload must be managed.
Since 2020, only Southee has bowled more overs than him. And Southee is a medium pacer.
Look at how Australia manage Starc. He gets plenty of rest.
Pakistan must manage Shaheen better. If he breaks down, it will be a catastrophic blow for Pakistan.
At the moment, Shaheen has a lot to prove in tests. Overall stats means nothing if you can't perform vs SENAI nations.
Why add I? All Indian bowlers and batsman stats mean nothing until they don’t prove themselves against Pakistan
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Difference is that Shaheen still averages 24 with the ball in test cricket and had the second highest test wickets in the world last year. Whereas, Pant averages 31 with the bat in ODI cricket and is yet to even score a century in that format.
So your point is only half true because it only applies to Pant.
Not all get to play vs minnows every now and then afterall. Pant will be resting from Windies ODI series as his team plays a lot more cricket than Pakistan.
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I know right. Indian and Pant fans are incorrigible. 36 average lol. Let's not forget he scored against topley overton trundlers.Not all get to play multiple 4 and 5 match test series every year either.
Wow. Bradmanesque numbers, those.
Not all get to play multiple 4 and 5 match test series every year either.
Wow. Bradmanesque numbers, those.
It is easier to fluke a win and go with a series win in a shorter series than it is over a longer series. In a longer series, ultimately the home team gets the better because they have been playing there from years.
Those numbers may not be Bradmanesque but still better than Shaheen's pathetic test average of 38 vs SENA teams lol.
I know right. Indian and Pant fans are incorrigible. 36 average lol. Let's not forget he scored against topley overton trundlers.
Although tbf if we played more test matches we would get flogged more often. So it's best we play less matches.
Playing 4-5 matches in a country gives you a better chance to acclimatize to the conditions as well as ample time to fail and improve in the same series. Not the same case with 2-3 match series where you have to pretty much deliver straight away or you might not even win the series.
No its not lol. Pant's respective averages against almost every team in limited-overs cricket is awful. He only boasts healthy averages against Bangladesh and England, and that too because of last night's innings.
I disagree with 5 tests series being an advantage. I think it's a drag. 4 is perfect. 3 or 4.
Depends on the team. If they are well prepared with tour games or fast starters in general then 2 or 3 is a massive advantage. Usually home teams have a bigger advantage once you get to around 4 or 5 tests. Playing away for such a long tour takes a toll on the body.It's an advantage to the players who can find themselves in the series even if they fail initially. The same is not true for 2 match series.
I don't want to discount last night's innings, which I thought was an excellent one especially in the context of the match. But some of the hyperboles that Indian posters are attaching to him on the other thread are beyond ridicoulous. From he's the greatest cricketer in the world to comparisons with Gilchrist. Even if he ends up being the greatest cricketer of all-time, fact is right now he is not even the greatest cricketer in the Indian team.
Depends on the team. If they are well prepared with tour games or fast starters in general then 2 or 3 is a massive advantage. Usually home teams have a bigger advantage once you get to around 4 or 5 tests. Playing away for such a long tour takes a toll on the body.
As per a respot:
Shaheen Shah Afridi suffered a strain in his leg after which he underwent Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) here on Tuesday.
Reportedly, Afridi suffered a strain in his leg while fielding on day 3 of the ongoing first Test between Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Afridi, who picked up four wickets in previous innings, managed to bowl just seven overs in second innings and had to leave the field following pain.
After failing to recover from pain despite ice treatment, team management decided to get Shaheen's MRI done.
I disagree with 5 tests series being an advantage. I think it's a drag. 4 is perfect. 3 or 4.
It's an advantage to the players who can find themselves in the series even if they fail initially. The same is not true for 2 match series.
As per a respot:
Shaheen Shah Afridi suffered a strain in his leg after which he underwent Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) here on Tuesday.
Reportedly, Afridi suffered a strain in his leg while fielding on day 3 of the ongoing first Test between Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Afridi, who picked up four wickets in previous innings, managed to bowl just seven overs in second innings and had to leave the field following pain.
After failing to recover from pain despite ice treatment, team management decided to get Shaheen's MRI done.
PCB have clarified and denied this report as follows:
This is a blatant falsification of facts.
Shaheen Shah Afridi stayed in the field throughout the day three after that dive and didn't bowl because the focus was on spin.
He underwent an MRI as a precaution and that has nothing to do with icing treatment.