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Is Shaheen Shah Afridi now at the start of the peak period in his career?
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I think the next time he tours South Africa, he will cause absolute havoc
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If he learns to bowl with the old ball then this guy will be unstoppable.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On his 22nd birthday Shaheen Shah Afridi has reached 200 international wickets:<br><br>Tests - 95 wickets in 24 matches at an average of 25.08<br><br>ODIs - 59 wickets in 30 matches. Average of 23.86, economy-rate of 5.53<br><br>T20Is - 47 wickets. Average of 24.31, economy-rate of 7.75<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1511448787906146310?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Agreed,
Limited overs, already looks like a veteran.
In tests, yet to hit his peak and master his craft.
Should be a lot more to come in tests.
Has any player moved so seamlessly from U19s to senior cricket?
Only other one i can think of is Rabada who also did well.
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More like approaching prime .. scary
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Don't count on it neccesarily. Shaheen played barely any FC beforehand and Pakistan don't play many tests, so the opportunities to learn are simply limited.
Shaheen's test record flatters him. He had bowler friendly conditions in much of his career so far but his returns are quite average. That isn't a knock on Afridi, but rather i think it is to be expected given his complete inexperience of long format cricket.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shaheen Shah Afridi in the current ICC bowling rankings:<br><br>Tests 4<br>ODIs 7<br>T20Is 10<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1514306774324682753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Only 2 bowlers are currently in the top 10 of ICC's bowling rankings across all three formats:<br><br>Shaheen Shah Afridi<br>Josh Hazlewood<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1514309556179980291?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Only 2 bowlers are currently in the top 10 of ICC's bowling rankings across all three formats:<br><br>Shaheen Shah Afridi<br>Josh Hazlewood<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1514309556179980291?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam "The way Shaheen Shah Afridi works and performs, he will go much further in his career. He is the number one bowler for me and will top the rankings in future" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1514976535664603137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Shaheen Afridi opens up on his encounter with David Warner in Lahore
During the third test of the series, a funny incident happened between Shaheen Afridi and David Warner. Pakistan were bundled out for 268 runs in their first innings on the third day of the game. Australia were forced to bat for just three overs on the third day. On the last ball of the day, Warner survived a short ball of Afridi before screaming ‘no run’.
Shaheen Afridi went towards David Warner, and both Warner & Afridi gave each other a stare before both of them started laughing. This image turned into a viral meme. David Warner later posted a picture on Instagram where both Warner and Shaheen Afridi were seen laughing.
In a recent podcast on PCB’s Youtube channel, Afridi talked about the details of the incident. He said that he just went to see him, but David Warner’s reaction made it better.
“I just wanted to give him a stare, but Warner’s reaction with a smile made it better,” Shaheen Afridi said.
Shaheen Afridi finished as the 2nd highest wicket-taker of the series with nine wickets at an average of 36.44. The 2022 season has been brilliant so far for Afridi. Lahore Qalandars recently won the PSL 2022 under Shaheen Afridi’s captaincy. Afridi scalped 20 wickets in the tournament at an economy of 7.57.
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During the third test of the series, a funny incident happened between Shaheen Afridi and David Warner. Pakistan were bundled out for 268 runs in their first innings on the third day of the game. Australia were forced to bat for just three overs on the third day. On the last ball of the day, Warner survived a short ball of Afridi before screaming ‘no run’.
Shaheen Afridi went towards David Warner, and both Warner & Afridi gave each other a stare before both of them started laughing. This image turned into a viral meme. David Warner later posted a picture on Instagram where both Warner and Shaheen Afridi were seen laughing.
In a recent podcast on PCB’s Youtube channel, Afridi talked about the details of the incident. He said that he just went to see him, but David Warner’s reaction made it better.
“I just wanted to give him a stare, but Warner’s reaction with a smile made it better,” Shaheen Afridi said.
Shaheen Afridi finished as the 2nd highest wicket-taker of the series with nine wickets at an average of 36.44. The 2022 season has been brilliant so far for Afridi. Lahore Qalandars recently won the PSL 2022 under Shaheen Afridi’s captaincy. Afridi scalped 20 wickets in the tournament at an economy of 7.57.
https://thesportsrush.com/cricket-n...e-encounter-with-david-warner-in-lahore-test/
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Shaheen Shah Afridi speaking to the media:
“I will try to be the best bowler of the series by getting the maximum number of wickets in the series"
“The weather is hot but we are looking forward to playing good cricket in it. It would be a tough challenge for the fast bowlers to bowl long spells in summer but as a professional, we are ready to face it"
“The reason behind playing county cricket was to gain experience as it would help us when it comes to playing Test matches in England"
“I don’t consider any team as weak. This series is important for us to qualify for the World Cup"
“I will try to be the best bowler of the series by getting the maximum number of wickets in the series"
“The weather is hot but we are looking forward to playing good cricket in it. It would be a tough challenge for the fast bowlers to bowl long spells in summer but as a professional, we are ready to face it"
“The reason behind playing county cricket was to gain experience as it would help us when it comes to playing Test matches in England"
“I don’t consider any team as weak. This series is important for us to qualify for the World Cup"
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Yet another strike with the new ball from Shaheen. Has to be one of the world's leading new ball bowlers.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shaheen Shah Afridi's current rankings:<br><br>Tests 4th<br>ODIs 4th<br>T20Is 12th<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1537110257020948480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2022</a></blockquote>
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The left-arm pacer has appointed as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Police Department's "Goodwill Ambassador" to promote a softer image of the police and bridge the trust deficit between the police and the public.
For this, a ceremony was held in Peshawar where Shaheen Afridi was appointed as an honorary Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP).
Addressing the people present at the event, Afridi paid tribute to the martyrs of KP police and praised everyone for playing a vital role in ensuring safety of the citizens.
Afridi further claimed that since his father was a retired officer of KP police, it can prove to be a thankless job. The left-arm pacer further added that his brother is also presently employed in the department.
For this, a ceremony was held in Peshawar where Shaheen Afridi was appointed as an honorary Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP).
Addressing the people present at the event, Afridi paid tribute to the martyrs of KP police and praised everyone for playing a vital role in ensuring safety of the citizens.
Afridi further claimed that since his father was a retired officer of KP police, it can prove to be a thankless job. The left-arm pacer further added that his brother is also presently employed in the department.
The left-arm pacer has appointed as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Police Department's "Goodwill Ambassador" to promote a softer image of the police and bridge the trust deficit between the police and the public.
For this, a ceremony was held in Peshawar where Shaheen Afridi was appointed as an honorary Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP).
Addressing the people present at the event, Afridi paid tribute to the martyrs of KP police and praised everyone for playing a vital role in ensuring safety of the citizens.
Afridi further claimed that since his father was a retired officer of KP police, it can prove to be a thankless job. The left-arm pacer further added that his brother is also presently employed in the department.
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He started abnormally early, and had to shoulder huge responsibility as the main man even as an inexperienced test player. Till date he hasn't played more than 7 1st class games.
He has done well if we don't lose perspective of his situation.
People expect more because of his talent but we have to be a bit more patient. He is fast learner. Remember, he couldn't swing the ball a cm 2 years ago. Now he swings it like crazy.
He will eventually ace this format too, it's a matter of time.
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People are expecting way too much from a 22-year-old kid. At least give the kid a chance to fully master test cricket, most players don't even debut at age 22. As an example, Bumrah was already around 24 years old when he made his test debut.
Shaheen has already proven himself in limited overs cricket.
Shaheen has already proven himself in limited overs cricket.
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The kid has Hugh potential. Remember he's been burdened as a attack leader for the last couple of years and he's only 22. When he hits his peaks he will be a absolute GUN.
Yeah thats probably fair he is only 22.
I just feel that there are comparisons made (mostly on here) that rank him higher than he should be given his results so far - he could go on to be a top 5 quality bowler in the world but I feel that at the moment Cummins, Rabada, Bumrah, Hazlewood and Shami I'd say are clearly better and Shaheen definitely hasnt done anything to differentiate himself from Starc, Jamieson, Southee and Boult so far against the good teams.
I feel he gets overhyped so far based on what the could become - I don't go around saying Cameron Green is the best all rounder in the world because I feel he could be a 40+/30- player when Stokes and Jadeja are clearly better players at the moment who I would select in a team before Green
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No one is going around calling Shaheen the best test bowler in the world. Shaheen clearly still has a long way to go in test cricket. Although I would argue that Shaheen is a better ODI bowler than most of the bowlers you've stated above.
In tests, your assessment is fair.
He has to prove it by more performances in tests. I'd argue he gets harshly judged too just based on expectations. People don't cut him the slack that his age, inexperience and disproportionate burden warrant.
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Averages 36 vs Aus as a whole which includes 2 tests of his first ever Aus tour. This is going to come down most likely as he plays more.
Also those were his first Nz and Eng tours and not to forget that he came to international red ball side with just 1-3 FC games behind him so he naturally was going to take some time to adapt let alone playing in those conditions when he was yet to find his feet at test level. There have been quite a few top pacers who despite having good amount of FC behind them at the time of their debut struggled in their first tours of most SENA countries. Have just played 3 matches vs NZ and Eng so far each so averages don't necessarily depict much currently other then a young guy on his first tours to these countries.
Cant think of any team other than Aus (Due to a trio at peak) where Shaheen wont be playing as one of their main seamers if not the main.
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That was the recent series 1-0 vs Australia
Not sure if he’d get a game for SA as well - Rabada Nortje and Jansen are really good
Even India - Bumrah, Shami and Siraj might all be better at the present time than Shaheen, at least against good opposition.
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No doubt he will be good but so far he hasn’t performed at all against any decent batting sides. If people are going to call him things like one of the leading new ball bowlers in the world, which has been said in this thread thst is just inaccurate. Not to say he won’t turn out to be
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To label Shaheen as the leading new ball bowler in the world, Shaheen must get openers out, which he consistently does. All them hacks only last 3 balls against him and edge it to the slips.
Nah man, that's a stretch.
He is better than both Jansen and Nortje. Can't blindly look at averages. Which great team Nortje has done well against? And where?
Nortje has never played on the kind of hopeless wickets Shaheen had at home vs Australia or even away vs Australia in 2019 (even Cummins averaged over 30). When Nortje got really tough subcontinent conditions vs India in 2019, what did he do? Averaged 180.
Jansen has played 5 games, 3 at home in conditions where every bowler did well. He is a slower, swing less version of Afridi. Yeah no team is picking him over Afridi, that's just a ridiculous assertion.
Bowlers look good because of the quality of their attack too. It's laughable to think Siraj would be preferred over Shaheen had India him available.
Teams don't blindly chose on stats like a robot either. Or Starc wouldn't be preferred over Pattinson.
With the new ball, he is special. It will be hard for anyone to take your opinion seriously if you don't see that.
Yep the SA comment probably wrong. Still, looking at average no. of top 3 wickets against the proper teams (SA, Eng, Aus, , Pak, Ind and NZ) since 2020:
Afridi: 1.3
Jamieson: 1.7
Cummins: 2
Bumrah: 1.5
Rabada: 1.7
Anderson: 1.63
I'd consider these guys the elite new ball bowlers. Get rid of the home games by just saying away guys - you will find the same results. Shaheen hasn't had any decent performances against decent teams unfortunately
Also that series vs Aus in 19/20 was Cummins' worst series of his career, and Starc + Hazlewood both averaged <= 22
See my response to Marooned
Def a better ODI bowler than some, but there are some pretty optimistic takes on Shaheen in this thread
Yeah but it's a flawed metric for so many reasons.
Top 3 wickets might not even reflect new ball prowess with a small sample size.
It comes down to opponents and conditions. For eg. Off the top of my head, Bumrah got to play NZ, Eng, SA, Aus in that time. When India toured NZ in 2020, all NZ pacers averaged in teens, when pakistan traveled in 2021, both Southee and Boult averaged over 30. Should the stats then be comparable?
Similarly, Bumrah got to travel and play 3 games in South Africa where 6 bowlers averaged 22 or below, Shaheen didn't get such an opportunity.
I could go on with other bowlers but I think you get the drift.
I know you know your stats, I do mine too.
It's best to take stats along with observations. Shaheen makes the new ball move everywhere. Struck upfront even on the disgraceful Pakistan wickets. It really is no stretch calling him elite with the new ball.
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Sky is the limit for Shaheen, Insha'Allah.
In a day and time when random trundlers / chuckers are hyped to the moon, it is always fun to watch likes of Shaheen / Jamieson breathing fire!
In a day and time when random trundlers / chuckers are hyped to the moon, it is always fun to watch likes of Shaheen / Jamieson breathing fire!
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The left-arm pacer has appointed as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Police Department's "Goodwill Ambassador" to promote a softer image of the police and bridge the trust deficit between the police and the public.
For this, a ceremony was held in Peshawar where Shaheen Afridi was appointed as an honorary Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP).
Addressing the people present at the event, Afridi paid tribute to the martyrs of KP police and praised everyone for playing a vital role in ensuring safety of the citizens.
Afridi further claimed that since his father was a retired officer of KP police, it can prove to be a thankless job. The left-arm pacer further added that his brother is also presently employed in the department.
Shahid Afridi joking about this
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I am not convinced on Shaheen.
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I hope this is not his peak.
He is a young bowler with plenty to learn and improve.
He is a young bowler with plenty to learn and improve.
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What do you mean by convinced? He has tons of potential. Problem is hyping it prematurely without anything noteworthy. Time is on his side, but a good prospect for future.
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Shaheen has failed against the big teams like England and Australia. He looked ineffective in the wickets against Australia and was out bowled by Starc and Cummins. Lots of development required.
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Tons of potential how?
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He is 22 and is the most promising young fast bowler in cricket currently.
But yes the hype on PP calling him the best in the world is unnecessary. He isn't the best.
This reminded me of the hype for Amir.
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Here is my take on him. He is a very good bowler. Has been on the circuit for a while and has shown he belongs.
To be the best, he has to prove himself away from home in SENA. For that, he also has to develop new things in his bowling - potent outswing, reverse swing, patience.
I don’t know how one measures potential objectively. All we can really comment on is performance and that requires uplifting to move from very good to excellent.
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His performances as a young 20-22 year old has defined his potential. At a young age he has some commendable performances.
But now he has to develop from here as players around the world will now look at his bowling and what he has to offer. If he doesn't develop further he will stagnate and finally fade away. Something that happened to a number of pakistani bowlers in last 2 decades.
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Chance to get to 100 test wickets in this series vs Srl. Just 4 away now after his first wicket of the series
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Getting better with every outing - what a bowler!
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The reason pakistan is still in the game.
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An average of 38 vs SENA teams in Test Cricket?? That's pretty poor by all standards. Looks like he is backed due to potential. Same as Pant in LOIs.
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An average of 38 vs SENA teams in Test Cricket?? That's pretty poor by all standards. Looks like he is backed due to potential. Same as Pant in LOIs.
At least Shaheen's overall record is good, regardless of how he's managed to achieve it. Pant has a medicore record in one days regardless of playing more than fifty percent of his games at home. Almost half his games are against the West Indies. No need to draw parallels where they don't exist. Pant is not fit to tie Shaheen's laces when it comes to the Shaheen's performance in Tests compared to Pant's performance in LOIs.
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Shaheens record against the major teams like Australia, England is poor especially in test cricket. He was a big disappointment in the Australian series.
Those were brutal pitches. Reverse wasn't always on offer and it was all about grabbing moments. Not to mention Australia had to bowl to an inferior batting line-up.
Still he was about as good as Starc (1 more wicket but averaged 1 more)
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True but Shaheen is no debutant or novice. This was the time to make a mark and he will only do that on the biggest stage ie test cricket against the top tier teams and if he does that on flat wickets then nothing like it.
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Comparing Indian players with Pakistanis without taking into consideation the number of test matches India play in SENA as compared to Pakistan. 
I get that expectations are high from him as it should be but we must also not lose perspective of the situation. Even Cummins averaged near 50 after 1st 2 games, then turned it around in the 3rd game.
Tell you what, he was not in the best physical condition then (down on average speed) and he isn't looking in the best condition now. His workload must be managed.
Since 2020, only Southee has bowled more overs than him. And Southee is a medium pacer.
Look at how Australia manage Starc. He gets plenty of rest.
Pakistan must manage Shaheen better. If he breaks down, it will be a catastrophic blow for Pakistan.
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An average of 38 vs SENA teams in Test Cricket?? That's pretty poor by all standards. Looks like he is backed due to potential. Same as Pant in LOIs.
Difference is that Shaheen still averages 24 with the ball in test cricket and had the second highest test wickets in the world last year. Whereas, Pant averages 31 with the bat in ODI cricket and is yet to even score a century in that format.
So your point is only half true because it only applies to Pant.
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Performing in SENA will come easily to Shaheen in the coming tours as long as Pakistan has a stable bowling attack and the workload isn't thrusted completely onto him.
Pakistan's tactics in England, New Zealand and Australia during the last tours were atrocious. Playing four bowlers and then thrusting all the responsibility on a 20 year old Shaheen was absolutely ludicrous. And even then he managed to somehow be our best bowler in Australia. Eventhough he was essentially the leader of an attack that featured a 19 year old playing his first series, a past his prime medium pacer like Imran Khan, and a deeply out of form Abbas.
What impresses me about him at this point of his career are his performance in Asia: a place where only the best fast-bowlers succeed. Taking 4 wickets on a spinner's paradise like Galle is also highly impressive and something that just goes to show how much he is improving day by day.
Pakistan's tactics in England, New Zealand and Australia during the last tours were atrocious. Playing four bowlers and then thrusting all the responsibility on a 20 year old Shaheen was absolutely ludicrous. And even then he managed to somehow be our best bowler in Australia. Eventhough he was essentially the leader of an attack that featured a 19 year old playing his first series, a past his prime medium pacer like Imran Khan, and a deeply out of form Abbas.
What impresses me about him at this point of his career are his performance in Asia: a place where only the best fast-bowlers succeed. Taking 4 wickets on a spinner's paradise like Galle is also highly impressive and something that just goes to show how much he is improving day by day.
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According to sports reporters. Shaheen gets very insecure when he is asked by the team management to rest in dead rubbers, meaningless games. Also he has an elbow condition which biomechanic experts have claimed he can only keep in shape if he stays in rhythm and bowls more.
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At the moment, Shaheen has a lot to prove in tests. Overall stats means nothing if you can't perform vs SENAI nations.
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As long as he remains fit, he will get to 200 Test wickets at a quicker rate than the first hundred.
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Why add I? All Indian bowlers and batsman stats mean nothing until they don’t prove themselves against Pakistan
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When they play against each other, they will have to prove their worth( like a WTC Final). If they don't then it is not their problem.
For Asian players, performance in SENAIP is what matters the most. Rest of the stats inflated by performance vs Sri Lanka, Windies and Zimbabwe are only good if you perform vs SENAIP. If you don't then it is good for nothing.
Hence, from an Indian perspective, Kohli, Bumrah and Pant are better than Rohit/Pujara for me because they have performed in SENA in Tests.
And he is only 22.
allegedly.
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Not all get to play vs minnows every now and then afterall. Pant will be resting from Windies ODI series as his team plays a lot more cricket than Pakistan.
Btw, Pant averages 36 now at strike rate of 110
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Not all get to play vs minnows every now and then afterall. Pant will be resting from Windies ODI series as his team plays a lot more cricket than Pakistan.
Btw, Pant averages 36 now at strike rate of 110
Not all get to play multiple 4 and 5 match test series every year either.
Wow. Bradmanesque numbers, those.
I know right. Indian and Pant fans are incorrigible. 36 average lol. Let's not forget he scored against topley overton trundlers.
Although tbf if we played more test matches we would get flogged more often. So it's best we play less matches.
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It is easier to fluke a win and go with a series win in a shorter series than it is over a longer series. In a longer series, ultimately the home team gets the better because they have been playing there from years.
Those numbers may not be Bradmanesque but still better than Shaheen's pathetic test average of 38 vs SENA teams lol.
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Playing 4-5 matches in a country gives you a better chance to acclimatize to the conditions as well as ample time to fail and improve in the same series. Not the same case with 2-3 match series where you have to pretty much deliver straight away or you might not even win the series.
No its not lol. Pant's respective averages against almost every team in limited-overs cricket is awful. He only boasts healthy averages against Bangladesh and England, and that too because of last night's innings.
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I don't want to discount last night's innings, which I thought was an excellent one especially in the context of the match. But some of the hyperboles that Indian posters are attaching to him on the other thread are beyond ridicoulous. From he's the greatest cricketer in the world to comparisons with Gilchrist. Even if he ends up being the greatest cricketer of all-time, fact is right now he is not even the greatest cricketer in the Indian team.
I disagree with 5 tests series being an advantage. I think it's a drag. 4 is perfect. 3 or 4.
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It's an advantage to the players who can find themselves in the series even if they fail initially. The same is not true for 2 match series.
Depends on the team. If they are well prepared with tour games or fast starters in general then 2 or 3 is a massive advantage. Usually home teams have a bigger advantage once you get to around 4 or 5 tests. Playing away for such a long tour takes a toll on the body.
It's a joke. Indian fans are cringe worthy. Some idiots I heard built temples for Dhoni lol. It's a travesty. Pant is no where near gilly. He is a mediocre loi player. He will get exposed vs good attacks when he has to score at more than 6 an over guaranteed.
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Yeah but its quite natural for visiting teams to struggle to adapt to the conditions of a foreign country. Even if they have played some practice matches.
Anyway, agree to disagree I guess.
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As per a respot:
Shaheen Shah Afridi suffered a strain in his leg after which he underwent Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) here on Tuesday.
Reportedly, Afridi suffered a strain in his leg while fielding on day 3 of the ongoing first Test between Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Afridi, who picked up four wickets in previous innings, managed to bowl just seven overs in second innings and had to leave the field following pain.
After failing to recover from pain despite ice treatment, team management decided to get Shaheen's MRI done.
Shaheen Shah Afridi suffered a strain in his leg after which he underwent Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) here on Tuesday.
Reportedly, Afridi suffered a strain in his leg while fielding on day 3 of the ongoing first Test between Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Afridi, who picked up four wickets in previous innings, managed to bowl just seven overs in second innings and had to leave the field following pain.
After failing to recover from pain despite ice treatment, team management decided to get Shaheen's MRI done.
This isn't very good news. Hoping this isn't serious.
Can't even imagine where we would be without him.
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3 should be a standard. Odd number and gives good chance for a better team to win the series.
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PCB have clarified and denied this report as follows:
This is a blatant falsification of facts.
Shaheen Shah Afridi stayed in the field throughout the day three after that dive and didn't bowl because the focus was on spin.
He underwent an MRI as a precaution and that has nothing to do with icing treatment.
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So will he bat tomorrow if needed?
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