Is Shakib Al Hasan's performance the most dominating of recent times in Tests?

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Firstly well played Bangladesh, as a team they played well and deserve to win.

Shakib took a fiver in each innings completing a 10 wicket haul. Also top scored for his team with 84 when his team were in dire trouble. Given it was a close match, had Shakib not been brilliant with the ball too in the second innings, Bangladesh would have lost.

It isn't new for Shakib to have these sort of performances, but a performance to this degree where arguably he was both the best batsman and the best bowler for Bangladesh, I struggle to recall one player having such a big impact in a test that I can remember? Incredible stuff from Shakib.

 

[Executioner]

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There was a myth that Shakib is a soft cricketer. Lacks impact. But after recent times you will be stupid to claim the same.

He is by definition a true genuine allrounder, someone good enough to get into the team on batting or bowling alone in almost side. Some can argue about India but Shakib has averaged 55 in tests lately India wouldnt mind that, and he can somewhat replicate what Jadeja does. .

Undisputed no. 1 allrounder of modern day cricket. Greatest spin bowling genuine allrounder of all time. By the time he retires will end up as one of the greatest allrounders of all time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

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There was a myth that Shakib is a soft cricketer. Lacks impact. But after recent times you will be stupid to claim the same.

He is by definition a true genuine allrounder, someone good enough to get into the team on batting or bowling alone in almost side. Some can argue about India but Shakib has averaged 55 in tests lately India wouldnt mind that, and he can somewhat replicate what Jadeja does. .

Undisputed no. 1 allrounder of modern day cricket. Greatest spin bowling genuine allrounder of all time. By the time he retires will end up as one of the greatest allrounders of all time.

It was all fine till you added the last paragraph.

 

[Executioner]

It was all fine till you added the last paragraph.

Definitely best allrounder of the current century also better than any spin bowling allrounder before him surely? I might be wrong about the second part given my limited knowledge of cricket History

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

He is a match winner. BD are lucky to have a world class player like him in their XI.

Brilliant performance. Aussies will be under pressure due to him whole tour now.

To OP: yep. One of the best performances in recent times.

 

[Lefthanded]

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There was a myth that Shakib is a soft cricketer. Lacks impact. But after recent times you will be stupid to claim the same.

He is by definition a true genuine allrounder, someone good enough to get into the team on batting or bowling alone in almost side. Some can argue about India but Shakib has averaged 55 in tests lately India wouldnt mind that, and he can somewhat replicate what Jadeja does. .

<b>Undisputed no. 1 allrounder of modern day cricket. Greatest spin bowling genuine allrounder of all time</b>. By the time he retires will end up as one of the greatest allrounders of all time.

Didn't Sobers often bowl one of three kinds of spin?

Clearly you're getting carried away.

Personally, I'd pick Shakib over Jadeja in an XI playing in Asia. However, that's a tight call as Jadeja's just as good. To my mind, Jadeja's dominance must have something to do with being in a team that has the most dominant batting lineup at home. Which creates tremendous scoreboard pressure, that Shakib doesn't have the luxury of.

Hopefully Bangladesh will play more Tests outside Asia so Shakib can prove himself abroad and become a genuine great.

Until recently, Shakib has just been distracted by his own personality and wasn't making the most of his talent.

Hopefully all that is past, as he's a genuinely gifted cricketer.

As for current all-rounders: Stokes can bat in any conditions, is an electric fielder, and likely to be as impactful with the bowler abroad over time. Personally I don't like Stokes, but can't argue with how he's ahead of the all-rounder pack by some distance.

 

[Executioner]

Didn't Sobers often bowl one of three kinds of spin?

Clearly you're getting carried away.

Personally, I'd pick Shakib over Jadeja in an XI playing in Asia. However, that's a tight call as Jadeja's just as good. To my mind, Jadeja's dominance must have something to do with being in a team that has the most dominant batting lineup at home. Which creates tremendous scoreboard pressure, that Shakib doesn't have the luxury of.

Hopefully Bangladesh will play more Tests outside Asia so Shakib can prove himself abroad and become a genuine great.

Until recently, Shakib has just been distracted by his own personality and wasn't making the most of his talent.

Hopefully all that is past, as he's a genuinely gifted cricketer.

As for current all-rounders: Stokes can bat in any conditions, is an electric fielder, and likely to be as impactful with the bowler abroad over time. Personally I don't like Stokes, but can't argue with how he's ahead of the all-rounder pack by some distance.

I mentioned "genuine allrounder" Sobers was a batting allrounder. Bowling wasnt a strong suit of his. One of the greatest batsman of all time.

As for Stokes. He is vastly inconsistent. Shakib is as impactful as stokes but only more inconsistent.

Stokes is better than shakib only in one department - fielding.

 

[Dios]

He is the greatest spin-bowling all-rounder of all time.

 

[Proactive_]

Best all rounder in the world and by helping his team to a few test wins away would become one of the best ever..

 

[Mainul]

I also can't remember such a dominating all rounder performance leading to his side's victory in last few years.

Shakib is no doubt the greatest spin bowling allrounder in cricketing history.

 

[Napa]

I also can't remember such a dominating all rounder performance leading to his side's victory in last few years.

Great performance by Shakib. One has to be back to maybe Botham for another similarly great all round performance in a Test.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Definitely best allrounder of the current century also better than any spin bowling allrounder before him surely? I might be wrong about the second part given my limited knowledge of cricket History

Current century started in 2000.Since then Jaques Kallis is the greatest all rounder in the game.Ben Stokes has done very well,so has Ashwin, and these two havent played versus Zimbabwe.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The greatest spin bowling all rounder will be Gary Sobers.Then Vinoo Mankad.

 

[Ab Fan]

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There was a myth that Shakib is a soft cricketer. Lacks impact. But after recent times you will be stupid to claim the same.

He is by definition a true genuine allrounder, someone good enough to get into the team on batting or bowling alone in almost side. Some can argue about India but Shakib has averaged 55 in tests lately India wouldnt mind that, and he can somewhat replicate what Jadeja does. .

Undisputed no. 1 allrounder of modern day cricket. Greatest spin bowling genuine allrounder of all time. By the time he retires will end up as one of the greatest allrounders of all time.

I dont follow BD cricket much. But can you tell me which is Shakib's stronger suit-
Bowling? Is it??

 

[Executioner]

Current century started in 2000.Since then Jaques Kallis is the greatest all rounder in the game.Ben Stokes has done very well,so has Ashwin, and these two havent played versus Zimbabwe.

My bad forgot Kallis.

I dont follow BD cricket much. But can you tell me which is Shakib's stronger suit-
Bowling? Is it??

Shakib in his early days was a world class bowler. He was pretty much a bowling allrounder for almost every domestic team he played. Only for BD he was a genuine allrounder because of our lack of quality Batsman. But over the years his batting has become better especially in tests. Bowling has regressed somewhat in ODIs.

Definitely a better bowler than a batsman. He has been in the bowling rankings for quite a while. Never in batting. On flat wickets though batting is his strength, as we know flat wickets are unforgiving to finger spinners

 

[bujhee kom]

He is the greatest spin-bowling all-rounder of all time.

No doubt. Best AR since Imran Khan and more genuine allrounder than him.

 

[bujhee kom]

Your user name is apt for you.You have little understanding.

Shakib is definitely a better bat than Imran was.

 

[ExpressPacer]

No doubt. Best AR since Imran Khan and more genuine allrounder than him.

Forgotten Kallis? Or maybe even Watto and Razzaq?

Shakib is definitely a better bat than Imran was.

You've got to be kidding me man. The things you get to read on PP..

 

[Mainul]

Current century started in 2000.Since then Jaques Kallis is the greatest all rounder in the game.Ben Stokes has done very well,so has Ashwin, and these two havent played versus Zimbabwe.

Jaques Kallis was a great test batsman,at par with Sachin,Lara,Ponting with a marvelous average and consistency. But he was never a match winner type bowler, rather 4th pacer option who can make breakthrough with the ball.292 wickets in 166 test matches i.e less than 2 wickets per test says it all that he was not an impactful bowler.To attain greatest all rounder tag you should be such a player that you can win matches either with bat or ball.

Stokes is far from being a consistent all rounder.He is becoming a Kallis type bowler,with the bat he is performing good.But not in the class of Shakib.Shakib is far ahead.

Ashwin started as a bowler,not an allrounder.His batting ability was unknown to all.For last 2 years i think his all round ability discovered.So it will take time to say that whether he will be a consistent performer like Shakib, who started his career as a genuine all rounder and he is performing for last 10 years.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Jaques Kallis was a great test batsman,at par with Sachin,Lara,Ponting with a marvelous average and consistency. But he was never a match winner type bowler, rather 4th pacer option who can make breakthrough with the ball.292 wickets in 166 test matches i.e less than 2 wickets per test says it all that he was not an impactful bowler.To attain greatest all rounder tag you should be such a player that you can win matches either with bat or ball.

Stokes is far from being a consistent all rounder.He is becoming a Kallis type bowler,with the bat he is performing good.But not in the class of Shakib.Shakib is far ahead.

Ashwin started as a bowler,not an allrounder.His batting ability was unknown to all.For last 2 years i think his all round ability discovered.So it will take time to say that whether he will be a consistent performer like Shakib, who started his career as a genuine all rounder and he is performing for last 10 years.

It is not Kallis fault that his team had ATG fast bowlers.

Ben Stokes has won his team matches outside England.Thats a very important thing.

Ashwin has a bowling avg of 25odd which in todays cricket is ATG like.His batting avg of 33 decent.

 

[shaz619]

It is not Kallis fault that his team had ATG fast bowlers.

Ben Stokes has won his team matches outside England.Thats a very important thing.

Ashwin has a bowling avg of 25odd which in todays cricket is ATG like.His batting avg of 33 decent.

It's true Stokes has had a lot of impact outside England but that's also a lot to do with England being a very well balanced side, it's a bit much to expect Shakib to single handedly win games away when BD has generally been a significantly weaker team; this is why he has rarely been able to get the credit he deserves worldwide. But now that BD have been improving his performances can be emphasised when they are challenging the top nations because he will get a bit of support to, obviously in this instance at home he's put in an insane performance which has resulted in a win largely due to his impact.

 

[Chrish]

Lol people calling him best AR need to chill out. And I seriously doubt he would ever become a tire 1AR like Kalis.

So get real and just enjoy his performances.

 

[light]

No doubt. Best AR since Imran Khan and more genuine allrounder than him.

When one puts Shakib al Hasan ahead of the likes of Kallis, he/she is truly disillusion. Shakib is a very good allrounder no doubt, but the best in business? Hell nah! That would be Kallis my man.

 

[shaz619]

These guys been busting their behinds for nearly 2 decades let them have their moment in the sun and Shakib of all people deserves more then enough credit, ignore the obnoxious Bengalis they have a lot of likeable supporters as well

 

[anindo]

Jaques Kallis was a great test batsman,at par with Sachin,Lara,Ponting with a marvelous average and consistency. But he was never a match winner type bowler, rather 4th pacer option who can make breakthrough with the ball.292 wickets in 166 test matches i.e less than 2 wickets per test says it all that he was not an impactful bowler.To attain greatest all rounder tag you should be such a player that you can win matches either with bat or ball.

Stokes is far from being a consistent all rounder.He is becoming a Kallis type bowler,with the bat he is performing good.But not in the class of Shakib.Shakib is far ahead.

Ashwin started as a bowler,not an allrounder.His batting ability was unknown to all.For last 2 years i think his all round ability discovered.So it will take time to say that whether he will be a consistent performer like Shakib, who started his career as a genuine all rounder and he is performing for last 10 years.

Jacques Kallis was a really good fast bowler. He would have been the No. 1 or 2 fast bowler for most other Test teams. It's just that he was such a good batsman that SA didn't want to overwork him and they always had 3 high quality seamers anyway. Shakib is a wonderful cricketer in his own right but there is no need to compare him to Kallis.

 

[Executioner]

Current century started in 2000.Since then Jaques Kallis is the greatest all rounder in the game.Ben Stokes has done very well,so has Ashwin, and these two havent played versus Zimbabwe.

The greatest spin bowling all rounder will be Gary Sobers.Then Vinoo Mankad.

Sobers would also bowl medium pace if I am not wrong. He was an ATG batsman without the slightest of doubt but his bowling wasnt a strong suit. Averaged 34 in the 70s and 80s and only 6 5-fors in 93 test matches compared to Shakib's 17 5-fors in 50 matches. No doubt Sobers was the far superior batsman but you would say that he was an exceptional batsman who could bowl a bit. Someone like Yuvraj Singh. Top batsman but a handy spinner from time to time. Sobers average of 57 was mind boggling. One of the greatest batsman ever to play tests. Top 5 easily.

Vinoo mankad I haven't seen or heard much of him. Doesn't have excellent stats tbh. Inferior to contemporary allrounders in terms of statistics. But I look beyond stats and he may have been an influential player but tbh I haven't seen him being rated alongside other greats. I wasn't born when mankad played. And I haven't heard much about vinoo mankad from Indian experts nor my indian friends. Not much of mankad in the record books either.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

It was all fine till you added the last paragraph.

I didn't see anything wrong with that paragraph. There haven't been many spin bowling all rounders in the recent past. I wouldn't count Sobers as one unless he bowled at least 1/3 of his overs as spin (I don't know if he did). Vettori is a cut below Shakib. Jadeja and Ashwin aren't quite as good with the bat, although they are slightly better bowlers. Jadeja's economy rate (yes, that is valuable in Tests) also sets him apart from any other bowler in the modern era.

But you have to also factor the flat tracks Shakib has bowled on in his career. Its helped his batting average, but hurt his bowling average.

Realistically speaking, Shakib's batting average would probably be around 32-35 and his bowling average would probably be around 27-28.

 

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Other allrounders do not get so much batting and bowling opportunities as Shakib Al Hasan. Indian allrounders like Jadeja and Ashwin for instance bat too low to get much batting opportunities. Allrounders like Kallis on the other hand were used more as batsmen rather than as a bowler.


The bowling/ batting colleagues of Shakib do not contribute much and so Shakib gets all the batting and bowling opportunities that he needs. That way he gets more opportunities to show his allround abilities than allrounders of other stronger teams.

 

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If you do not count Sobers and Vinoo Mankad as allrounders then it is very sad.

 

[Executioner]

If you do not count Sobers and Vinoo Mankad as allrounders then it is very sad.

Sobers wasn't a genuine allrounder, mankad is I guess.

 

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Sobers was considered world cricket's best ever allrounder till Botham arrived on the scene.

 

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When Sobers retired, he had the highest test runs in world cricket (8032) and he was the sixth highest wicket taker in the world.

With current records, it means scoring more test runs than Tendulkar and taking more test wickets than James Anderson.

Let Shakib (or any other allrounders) become the highest run getter in tests (the record stands at 15921 at present) and sixth highest wicket taker in tests (the record as of now is 497) before we consider him an allrounder in the same league as Sobers.

 

[BDfanforever]

Other allrounders do not get so much batting and bowling opportunities as Shakib Al Hasan. Indian allrounders like Jadeja and Ashwin for instance bat too low to get much batting opportunities. Allrounders like Kallis on the other hand were used more as batsmen rather than as a bowler.


The bowling/ batting colleagues of Shakib do not contribute much and so Shakib gets all the batting and bowling opportunities that he needs. That way he gets more opportunities to show his allround abilities than allrounders of other stronger teams.

It doesnt matter. The guy is consistent across all format. Be it tests, T20, ODI.

Most other all rounders are good may be in one format but not in other.

In recent times, I will say only Shane Watson at his peak was better than Shakib

 

[Shutdown Corner]

When Sobers retired, he had the highest test runs in world cricket (8032) and he was the sixth highest wicket taker in the world.

With current records, it means scoring more test runs than Tendulkar and taking more test wickets than James Anderson.

Let Shakib (or any other allrounders) become the highest run getter in tests (the record stands at 15921 at present) and sixth highest wicket taker in tests (the record as of now is 497) before we consider him an allrounder in the same league as Sobers.

Well Sobers didn't have 15000 runs or 500 wickets either. What he did have was an average of 57 with the bat and 33 with the ball.

 

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At that time, Sobers 8032 runs were the highest by any test batsman. His 235 wickets were the sixth highest by any test bowler. His 109 test match catches were the highest by any non wicket keeper. So he was the highest run maker in history, sixth highest wicket taker in history and the highest catch taker in test history when he retired.

Shakib Al Hasan at present is the 143rd in the list of top run makers in tests. And he is 74th in the list of top test match wicket takers in the world. And with his 19 catches, he is nowhere near the top catchers in the world.

I have no issues if one lauds Shakib Al Hasan as a great modern day all rounder. But it is highly objectionable when other all rounders are pulled down to try and prove that Shakib is superior to them. Praise him for his own achievements, but do not pull down great allrounders of the past just because you are not aware of their achievements.

Shakib Al Hasan would be regarded as an allrounder in the league of Sobers only if statistically he gains the same stature as Sobers, viz if he ends up as the top run getter in tests, number six wicket taker in tests and the number one catch taker in tests. Sobers achieved all that during his test career. I cannot visualise Shakib Al Hasan achieve even half of what Sobers achieved in his test career.

 

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Some other records that Sobers held- Highest individual test score of 365 not out. Second highest number of test match centuries (26) at that time.

As a bowler, he could bowl left arm fast medium, left arm orthodox spin, left arm wrist spin, including chinaman.

He was also the first batsman to hit six sixes in an over in a first class match.

A complete package if there was one.

 

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The greatest allrounder of our times is Jackques Kallis and his achievements are quite close to that of Sobers. Kallis ended up as one of the highest test run getters of his time, ended up with 292 test wickets and he also claimed 200 test catches. All these achievements make him the closest thing to Sobers as an alltime great allrounder.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Most bizarre thread. Chickened out of the SA tests. And now couldn't withstand more than 1 ball