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"Is Shan Masood the upgraded version of Misbah-ul-Haq?": Yasir Hameed's question...

Misbah was nowhere as aggressive when touring, he was prepared to draw even before the series began. This was despite having a more potent bowling attack, especially spinners in their prime. That said Misbah had to battle a lot of inflated egos in the team.
 
When I saw this tweet I just burst out laughing

Yasir Hameed is probably the most naturally funny bloke in the history of the subcontinent. What a random question to ask for no apparent reason :ROFLMAO:
 
Sehwag’s story about Yasir Hameed v Indian team hotel in the hotel lobby comes to mind.

Expect anything at any time from Yasir Hameed!
 
This is some insult from Yasir Hameed towards Shan Masood.

Misbah is the worst ever captain in tests played in Australia.

I’ll never forget the leg-side fields and how he bowled Yasir Shah to the ground. Misbah showcased his substandard cricketing IQ and his cowardly approach. The Aussie comm box, at the time, were mocking his captaincy and were in utter disbelief with what they saw from him. Ian Chappell exposed his incompetence.

Shan Masood may only be a short-term appointment but out of all the Pakistan captains, who’ve led the side since 2011, he’s clearly got the best cricketing mind.
 
topspin said:
This is some insult from Yasir Hameed towards Shan Masood.

Misbah is the worst ever captain in tests played in Australia.

I’ll never forget the leg-side fields and how he bowled Yasir Shah to the ground. Misbah showcased his substandard cricketing IQ and his cowardly approach. The Aussie comm box, at the time, were mocking his captaincy and were in utter disbelief with what they saw from him. Ian Chappell exposed his incompetence.

Shan Masood may only be a short-term appointment but out of all the Pakistan captains, who’ve led the side since 2011, he’s clearly got the best cricketing mind.
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Hameed completely buried Babar’s captaincy with this comparison

My guy didn’t even put him in consideration :ROFLMAO:
 
Misbah ul-Haq test stats when he was made captain

36 years old
19 matches over 9 years
33 innings
33 average
2 centuries (both on flat tracks in drawn games)
4 fifties


I see Shan's captaincy in a similar vein to Misbah's. Picking a proven domestic performer, albeit with a poor international record, who has captaincy experience to take the reigns for a short period of time.
 
topspin said:
This is some insult from Yasir Hameed towards Shan Masood.

Misbah is the worst ever captain in tests played in Australia.

I’ll never forget the leg-side fields and how he bowled Yasir Shah to the ground. Misbah showcased his substandard cricketing IQ and his cowardly approach. The Aussie comm box, at the time, were mocking his captaincy and were in utter disbelief with what they saw from him. Ian Chappell exposed his incompetence.
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You are right here. It was criminal what they did to Yasir Shah.....not once but twice!
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You are right here. It was criminal what they did to Yasir Shah.....not once but twice!
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Misbah went into that series playing for a draw with his ultra defensive mindset. The problem is if you don't believe you can win, let alone try, in the eyes of the Aussies you've already lost the battle in the mind before the contest has begun.
 
Too early to say anything.

Misbah's tactics were more bowler orientated. He test he relied on guys like Rahat Ali, Imran Khan Snr, Junaid Khan and Mohammad Talha. These guys had pace and were able to use their wrist. Rahat Ali was very good and Imran Khan Snr gave a very decent performance aswell.

Sohail Khan was also used aswell in foreign tours as he had control on his swing.

But what set Misbah apart was his usage of spinners. Ajmal, Hafeez, Abdur Rehman, Zulfiqar Babar, Yasir Shah and than even Bilal Asif.. Misbah used them very well. In some instances he would open the attack with Hafeez.

Misbah came with 10 years of experience in captaincy with SNGPL, Faisalabad Region, Faisalabad Wolves, Service Industries, Sargodah and than Pakistan A. The guy was already a ready and developed captain.

Its unfair to do a Misbah and Shan comparison because Shan Masood's first tour is in Australia. Most likely he will lose the series as no one has won here. Plus, as this is Shan's first tour, he did not had much say in who should be selected in the squad. Captains get to have their say on squad matters by their second or third tour. Right now he most probably had to take the players that were given to him.

I dont think Shan has 10 years of experience, but he does have first class experience with English County.

Lets see how Shan Masood does in more tours, especially at home. Our captains at home have this habit of playing 3 pacers and one spinner on Pakistani wickets, so you never know.

But I hope Shan Masood proves himself after the Australia tour and we finally find a test captain.

I think Yasir Hameed meant the way Shan was bought in where he was out of the team and than made captain. But captaincy skill wise there is a long way to go, as Misbah holds the best Test captaincy record in Pakistan. More wins than Imran. You can only call Shan an upgraded version when Shan wins half of the games that Misbah did.
 
Misbah's "tactics" was to bat at 2 RPO with a relatively great batting lineup and pile on a big score. Then bring in your chuckers Saeed Ajmal, Mohammad Hafeez, and later Yasir Shah, and have them bowl about 70 overs and pray the batsmen make a mistake. He was hopeless outside of UAE. Dude was an overrated captain
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He's certainly an upgrade on Misbah in Australia at least. Misbah was the architect of two disastrous tours. One as a captain and one as a coach,/selector.

Even if we lose 3-0 we have already performed better than those two tours.
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This is ridiculous, and it takes criticism away from Babar.

Either criticize Misbah for his captaincy at Australia or coaching. You cant blame him for both. The on field captain has more control on things and Babar was the captain 2nd time around.

Misbah's strategy in Australia has always been pace orientated. He went for guys that had pace and not the best domestic performer for this tour. I get the strategy but its same like Aamir Jamal. Pace means nothing if you dont have fitness or consistency to bowl at one spot.

Sohail Khan had fitness issues, and plus in Australia the grounds are big, you need fitness there to survive there.

People whine about Yasir Shah, but in Australia there is nothing for spinners and you play them for over rates and shuffle them around. Spinners are made to look bad in Australia because when the pacers dont bowl well, than spinners have to bowl long spells and go wiceketless.

Misbah approach was wrong. He was going with 3 pacers, plus he was interested in pace and not the quality of the bowler.

Amir is a rubbish bowler and broke down. His pace started to slow down mid game. Wahab Riaz was bowling utter rubbish all over the pitch and was always an over rated bowler.

Misbah needed 2 pacey bowlers, but also need 1-2 bowlers that may not had been pacy but bowled Abbas like with their line and length.

I would had preferred if the best domestic bowlers were picked. Imran Khan Snr, Rahat Ali and than Abbas and Sadaf Hussain at that time.
 
Major said:
This is ridiculous, and it takes criticism away from Babar.

Either criticize Misbah for his captaincy at Australia or coaching. You cant blame him for both. The on field captain has more control on things and Babar was the captain 2nd time around.

Misbah's strategy in Australia has always been pace orientated. He went for guys that had pace and not the best domestic performer for this tour. I get the strategy but its same like Aamir Jamal. Pace means nothing if you dont have fitness or consistency to bowl at one spot.

Sohail Khan had fitness issues, and plus in Australia the grounds are big, you need fitness there to survive there.

People whine about Yasir Shah, but in Australia there is nothing for spinners and you play them for over rates and shuffle them around. Spinners are made to look bad in Australia because when the pacers dont bowl well, than spinners have to bowl long spells and go wiceketless.

Misbah approach was wrong. He was going with 3 pacers, plus he was interested in pace and not the quality of the bowler.

Amir is a rubbish bowler and broke down. His pace started to slow down mid game. Wahab Riaz was bowling utter rubbish all over the pitch and was always an over rated bowler.

Misbah needed 2 pacey bowlers, but also need 1-2 bowlers that may not had been pacy but bowled Abbas like with their line and length.

I would had preferred if the best domestic bowlers were picked. Imran Khan Snr, Rahat Ali and than Abbas and Sadaf Hussain at that time.
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I blame him for both. Babar was a dummy captain that time. Misbah ruled the roost when it came to coaching and selection. He gave Babar those players.

His tactic of throwing ball to the spinners backfired badly in Australia. There is no shame in admitting this. As a selector he should have learned his lessons from his disastrous captaincy.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I blame him for both. Babar was a dummy captain that time. Misbah ruled the roost when it came to coaching and selection. He gave Babar those players.

His tactic of throwing ball to the spinners backfired badly in Australia. There is no shame in admitting this. As a selector he should have learned his lessons from his disastrous captaincy.
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sorry but you cant do that. You cant shield Babar from this.

Thing is, Misbah has a bigger media personality that if they made him coach even today and we lost, people will blame him and not shan. But if we win, Shan would credit and Misbah.

The second tour was all Babar and it was him making the on field decisions.

As captain during the first tour, again, the issue was never Yasir Shah. Misbah's fault was that he played the wrong set of pacers. When the pacers failed, he had to throw the ball to Yasir who could had done nothing here no matter how many long spells he bowled as there was no spin for him there.

Misbah made a big mistake by trusting Wahab Riaz, Amir and going with a 3 man pace attack instead of 4.
 
Major said:
sorry but you cant do that. You cant shield Babar from this.

Thing is, Misbah has a bigger media personality that if they made him coach even today and we lost, people will blame him and not shan. But if we win, Shan would credit and Misbah.

The second tour was all Babar and it was him making the on field decisions.

As captain during the first tour, again, the issue was never Yasir Shah. Misbah's fault was that he played the wrong set of pacers. When the pacers failed, he had to throw the ball to Yasir who could had done nothing here no matter how many long spells he bowled as there was no spin for him there.

Misbah made a big mistake by trusting Wahab Riaz, Amir and going with a 3 man pace attack instead of 4.
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Babar is a dud captain thats for sure...but the tweet is about Misbah and Shan not Babar and Shan.

The issue with the second tour wasn't solely the on field captaincy. It was because Misbah assembled the biggest team of duds to form an attack suitable for Australia.

Musa Khan hasn't played a test match ever again...that says it all.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Babar is a dud captain thats for sure...but the tweet is about Misbah and Shan not Babar and Shan.

The issue with the second tour wasn't solely the on field captaincy. It was because Misbah assembled the biggest team of duds to form an attack suitable for Australia.

Musa Khan hasn't played a test match ever again...that says it all.
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yes on the selection matter, i would agree that Misbah did not learn from the first tour and against went with Pacers that bowled Fast and not with domestic performers.

Btw Musa was not a Misbah pick, he was a Waqar Younis pick.

Misbah had outsourced the bowling matters to Waqar, but yes as selector he should had gone with top performers
 
Misbah averaged around 50 with the bat as captain. If Shan can do that, there'll be no complaints on his presence in the eleven. Tactically Shan has looked very good so far. However, the decision to persist with Abdullah in the slips after the first drop wasn't good IMO.
 
From what we've seen inside 8 days of international captaincy is that he is already a much better captain than babar and has a much higher ceiling than Misbah.
I saw field positionings and tactics I haven't seen a Pakistani captain employ since Younis.
 
Grunge101 said:
From what we've seen inside 8 days of international captaincy is that he is already a much better captain than babar and has a much higher ceiling than Misbah.
I saw field positionings and tactics I haven't seen a Pakistani captain employ since Younis.
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Lets wait for him to win half of the games that Misbah won before such conclusions
 
An upgrade over Pakistan's best captain ever? Yearning to see such days
 
Let shan win few games and hold that test mace before getting to some conclusions.
 
shortbread said:
Misbah was nowhere as aggressive when touring, he was prepared to draw even before the series began. This was despite having a more potent bowling attack, especially spinners in their prime. That said Misbah had to battle a lot of inflated egos in the team.
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More potent bowling attack? Are we sure about that?

Yasir/Hafeez weren't much of a threat in the overseas tour. Before 2016, it was what, likes of Wahab/Rahat/Sohail/Imran and Junaid who only ended up playing 2 Tests outside Asia. This is a garbage bowling attack and it's not like Amir post 2016 was a world destroyer either. Yasir was useless in SENA. Peak Ajmal didn't line up with SENA tours either. Misbah also went through like a 6 year gap between tours to Aus, England & NZ which is absurd.

Look at those 09 & 11 NZ tours, the gap was like 13 months and they won that series in 11' NZ as the conditions weren't completely alien because you are not visiting it after half a decade. They got annihilated in NZ when they visited there again around the end of 2016 after such a long gap. Only reason they managed to draw 2016 tour in England was due to Pakistan putting in a lot of preparation, practice work & arriving in England much earlier to get used to the conditions. Misbah did best he could with a limited group to be honest. Had they played more SENA tours in their peaks, we likely would have seen end of Hafeez/Shafiq etc careers earlier.

Regardless, Shan is showing himself to be a decent tactician and I am not sure why comparisons need to begin. Let him at least captain a few more Tests.
 
One thing for sure, Shan seems to know how to get the best out of a weak bowling line up, just like Misbah. Wasn't expecting to bowl out Australia twice
 
Depends what he's referring to.

Unclear what he means.
 
Might be an upgrade to Misbah however it seems like he is part of the same system

Drops Sarfraz after one poor test, brings back the worst wicket keeper to represent Pakistan who ultimately loses us the test

Very disappointing start
 
Misbah wishes he was half the test captain Shan has been in Australia.
 
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