Is the current Australian ODI team the worst that Australia have ever fielded?

[BunnyRabbit]

Been following cricket since late 90s, I genuinely feel this is the worst ODI team they have ever had since late 90s. Having players like Shaun Marsh, Stoinis and Paine at crucial 3 4 5 and boom or bust Maxwell at 6. This is probably the weakest middle order for Australia. Nothing against Stoinis, but I feel, he is more suited to being a no 6 or opening than the crucial no 4. Finch is the only proven performer in ODI's. Head is a good talent but I feel, he is more suited to no. 5.
Then the likes of Neser and Kane Richardson don't inspire much confidence either. Tye is fine. Agar could be a handy option if used at no. 8 rather than no. 7. His bowling at best is suited to a containing option if Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins are available.
Stanlake has a lot of potential and can become a brilliant bowler but is too raw atm.

 

[hadi123]

Possibly. If this squad was to be selected for the World Cup next year - they would have no chance!

 

[iniqbal223]

More than anyone, ACB has destroyed themselves.
Just to give Asian exposure, they now have an army of T20 bits and pieces players, and almost all play IPL,CPL, BPL, XPL, YPL, ZPL, etc.
Except for Starc, there is no predictable test fast bowler in the side.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

More than anyone, ACB has destroyed themselves.
Just to give Asian exposure, they now have an army of T20 bits and pieces players, and almost all play IPL,CPL, BPL, XPL, YPL, ZPL, etc.
Except for Starc, there is no predictable test fast bowler in the side.

Hazlewood in my opinion is a better Test bowler than Starc

 

[BreadPakoda]

They truly don't care about JAMODIs. Come World Cup, they will bring back all their best players and would have a killer ODI team again.

 

[BreadPakoda]

It hurts to see Ozzies not give a cr*p to regular ODI/T20 cricket though. Gone are the days when they would field their best (McGrath, Gillespie, Warne) for every game.
Why is Adam Zampa not playing? Every team has a good leg spinner and this guy looked promising
Don't know about Starc. He could be injured, but he skips far too many games

An ideal bowling attack should be Starc (world's best ODI bowler), Hazlewood, Tye, Stanlake and Zampa. Plus Stoinis/Maxwell can chip in, if required. This would be a highly potent attack. Wish Watson was still playing. He could have replaced a Stanlake to make the batting stronger.

 

[happydavy]

Yea can't think of a worse team than this one for Australia. With Tim Paine batting at 5, what more can anyone say. And why this needless desire to make Tim Paine as some kinda leader when he himself doesn't deserve a place in the team. They cud have made Finch as captain and any reason why is Lynn not in Odi team?

 

[iniqbal223]

you can name few more, but if you compare their team of the past when they had almost all match winners.
One can not find more than 3/4 in their squad. More importantly, that instinct of Australianism is missing from these modern teams, they are content with the $$ they are getting playing leagues, and are unavailable due to injuries during big tours.

Clarke , in my opinion was the last captain of some calibre.

 

[Hasan123]

The squad for the ongoing series is rubbish. But when Smith and Warner return , as well at the pace trio it's a very good LO line up.

 

[UP]

Australian cricket is in serious mess right now. Hope they recover and field their best teams across all formats.

Don’t know what’s the point of ongoing ODI series between Eng and Aus. JAMODIS at its best.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Yes I also think its their worst at least from 1996 on wards.

But once the 3 pacers and Smith, Warner are back it will be good. Thats 5 world class players missing.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yea can't think of a worse team than this one for Australia. With Tim Paine batting at 5, what more can anyone say. And why this needless desire to make Tim Paine as some kinda leader when he himself doesn't deserve a place in the team. They cud have made Finch as captain and any reason why is Lynn not in Odi team?

Lynn doesn't play List A matches anymore, and i think it's been a long time since he last played an ODI, so don't think he will get there only on reputation.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yes I also think its their worst at least from 1996 on wards.

But once the 3 pacers and Smith, Warner are back it will be good. Thats 5 world class players missing.

Don't think Warner will ever return. Smith might, but the Australian culture might not accept David Warner back in to the international cricket.

 

[Suleiman]

Don't have elsewhere to vent so I'll vent here.

You ever walking on the sidewalk and one of the concrete bricks is misaligned ruining an otherwise perfect pattern.

That's what it's like seeing Bairstow opening and Hales at 3. I've expressed my annoyance before too, but Hales should be opening. I don't see how moving Bairstow to 3 will hurt him, but if you want the best of Hales he needs to be opening.

But wrt this thread, no this Australia team rn isn't the worst Aussie team out there. 2011 was worse.

Trigger warning, but Australia in this last game put up a better chasing effort than Pakistan would chasing 300+

 

[Justcrazy]

Yes , its worst OD side ever for Australia.

 

[HitWicket]

Don't have elsewhere to vent so I'll vent here.

You ever walking on the sidewalk and one of the concrete bricks is misaligned ruining an otherwise perfect pattern.

That's what it's like seeing Bairstow opening and Hales at 3. I've expressed my annoyance before too, but Hales should be opening. I don't see how moving Bairstow to 3 will hurt him, but if you want the best of Hales he needs to be opening.

But wrt this thread, no this Australia team rn isn't the worst Aussie team out there. 2011 was worse.

Trigger warning, but Australia in this last game put up a better chasing effort than Pakistan would chasing 300+

Hales will most likely be dropped when Stokes returns hence why he bats at 3.

 

[UP]

Who is Tim Paine?

The worst guy to captain Aus. A country with such a rich cricketing history has fallen to a miserable level.

 

[The_Odd_One]

They truly don't care about JAMODIs. Come World Cup, they will bring back all their best players and would have a killer ODI team again.

Who are those best players?

 

[The_Odd_One]

Australia-England ODIs are as boring as India-SL test series.

 

[Abdullah719]

Don't have elsewhere to vent so I'll vent here.

You ever walking on the sidewalk and one of the concrete bricks is misaligned ruining an otherwise perfect pattern.

That's what it's like seeing Bairstow opening and Hales at 3. I've expressed my annoyance before too, but Hales should be opening. I don't see how moving Bairstow to 3 will hurt him, but if you want the best of Hales he needs to be opening.

But wrt this thread, no this Australia team rn isn't the worst Aussie team out there. 2011 was worse.

Trigger warning, but Australia in this last game put up a better chasing effort than Pakistan would chasing 300+

Bairstow is doing brilliantly in the powerplays.

Hales should be relegated to the bench.

 

[Suleiman]

Hales is a type of player who thrives under freedom, has opened in LAs pretty much his whole career, correct me if I’m wrong, Bairstow on the other hand is more versatile and in the form he’s in he’ll find success anywhere in the order.

Hales has higher power hitting abilities too so he’ll take better advantage of PPs.

 

[Asch Ali]

This is a first time in a long time where the opposition is actually have felt CONFIDENT going on to face the Aussies. Everyone used to be scared before a match with Australia.

 

[shah_1]

This Australia team is average

 

[BreadPakoda]

Who are those best players?

Mitchel Starc
Smith
Josh Hazlewood
Pattinson
Cummins
Mitch Marsh
Zampa

 

[shah_1]

Mitchel Starc
Smith
Josh Hazlewood
Pattinson
Cummins
Mitch Marsh
Zampa

I'm pretty sure Smith is banned. Pattinson hasn't played for Australia for two years, don't see him playing again. Zampa is nothing special and Mitch Marsh hasn't done anything great to be any kind of messiah for Australia.

The problem with Australia in ODI is their batting, it needs massive improvement before the World cup.

 

[TeymurBlake]

They've only lost two players from there LOI team. Put Head in the middle order and get another hitter to open or just open with Finch and Khawaja.

 

[introvert]

It is still better team than the one that got whitewashed by RSA last time.

George Bailey should have been brought back as a captain instead of paine. Paine is fine in tests but doesn't deserve to be there in odis. Alex Carey should max chances as wk batsman.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

It is still better team than the one that got whitewashed by RSA last time.

George Bailey should have been brought back as a captain instead of paine. Paine is fine in tests but doesn't deserve to be there in odis. Alex Carey should max chances as wk batsman.

Agreed.As much as I like Paine,he is a misfit in the ODI squad.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Agreed.As much as I like Paine,he is a misfit in the ODI squad.

Agreed! Paine is a good leader and nice person to lead in Tests but doesn't merit a place in ODI team let alone as a captain. Need to bring Bailey in and make him captain. Faulkner could also be brought back to add depth in batting instead of Neser.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I'm pretty sure Smith is banned. Pattinson hasn't played for Australia for two years, don't see him playing again. Zampa is nothing special and Mitch Marsh hasn't done anything great to be any kind of messiah for Australia.

The problem with Australia in ODI is their batting, it needs massive improvement before the World cup.

Smith will be back before the World Cup.
Pattinson and other injured guys can sustain a World Cup with good planning. Any way, as you rightly pointed out their bowling isn't a problem.

I agree though that the batting needs a big upgrade, especially with Warner unlikely to come back.

 

[introvert]

Smith will be back before the World Cup.
Pattinson and other injured guys can sustain a World Cup with good planning. Any way, as you rightly pointed out their bowling isn't a problem.

I agree though that the batting needs a big upgrade, especially with Warner unlikely to come back.

Forget Pattinson and remember coulter nile instead. That guy is way better bowler than pattinson although equally fragile.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Forget Pattinson and remember coulter nile instead. That guy is way better bowler than pattinson although equally fragile.

Yes, Coulter Nile is very good too. Andrew Tye is a very handy bowler as well. If they can field even 3 or 4 of their top 6 or 7 pacers, their batsmen will have a much easier task at hand. This is similar to Pakistan's team. A potent bowling line up with a fragile batting unit. But the fact that the bowlers are good, gives the batsmen the confidence.

Good bowling can quickly tilt the scales. E.g. 2015 WC, 2017 CT

 

[BreadPakoda]

A fit and inspired Starc was enough for the Ozzies to bulldozer every team in the last World Cup.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Mitchel Starc
Smith
Josh Hazlewood
Pattinson
Cummins
Mitch Marsh
Zampa

Except Starc and Hazlewood, none are proven or excellent limited overs cricketers. Smith has been very average after the 2015 WC.

 

[MMHS]

Still they are making this all-mighty English team sweat for their money!!!!

Aussies play the game hard and play with skill & passion - this squad is a bit shaken for the recent events (not to mention absense of Strac, Josh & Cummins and their 2 top batsmen) but they’ll bounce back hard.

Posters are a bit anxious that Aussies might be missing out a SF next year - please mark this post, rest of the world is fighting for 3 SF spots; Aussies are already there, even if Smith & Warner don’t return.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Forget Pattinson and remember coulter nile instead. That guy is way better bowler than pattinson although equally fragile.

Pattinson has been very average ever since his coaches changed his action. But even before that, he was a potentially great Test bowler but not a world class LOI bowler.
Coulter Nile is good but simply not in the category of Starc, Hazlewood or Cummins.

 

[Justcrazy]

Still they are making this all-mighty English team sweat for their money!!!!

Aussies play the game hard and play with skill & passion - this squad is a bit shaken for the recent events (not to mention absense of Strac, Josh & Cummins and their 2 top batsmen) but they’ll bounce back hard.

Posters are a bit anxious that Aussies might be missing out a SF next year - please mark this post, rest of the world is fighting for 3 SF spots; Aussies are already there, even if Smith & Warner don’t return.

In WC Australia cannot be under estimated. 5 WC wins in 7 WC finals , unbelievable.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Why is it unlikely that Warner will come back?

 

[hadi123]

I voted for yes. Obviously I can't really say about before 2000s as I wasn't born but since I started watching cricket at least, this team really looks weak.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Still they are making this all-mighty English team sweat for their money!!!!

Aussies play the game hard and play with skill & passion - this squad is a bit shaken for the recent events (not to mention absense of Strac, Josh & Cummins and their 2 top batsmen) but they’ll bounce back hard.

Posters are a bit anxious that Aussies might be missing out a SF next year - please mark this post, rest of the world is fighting for 3 SF spots; Aussies are already there, even if Smith & Warner don’t return.

Bit of a bold prediction but i think semis will be England/Pakistan/India/NZ . Not sure OZ can compete now that Warner and Smith have been banned. They look a very weak outfit.

 

[MMHS]

Bit of a bold prediction but i think semis will be England/Pakistan/India/NZ . Not sure OZ can compete now that Warner and Smith have been banned. They look a very weak outfit.

If the WC was now (2018), I would have been lot more circumspective, because more than individual players, Aussies image (hence confidence) was shattered. When things unfolded, one of first things I wrote that we’ll see much decent & sober AUS side on field now; at least for some period. They have lost everything - Captain, Coach, top batsmen .... even CEO; besides now every AUS bowler will be followed by camera on field and Tabloids won’t have made it easy in UK for them.

They have lost 2 players (lot more actually, Captain & deputy - 2 senior most guy), but still making it quite tight with the almost full strength ENG team, at their lowest point. Haven’t seen, but with those 3 bowlers even this team could have won both games!!!!!! Also, Mitch Marsh is missing, and he is a world class LO player - should make almost every LO XI in contemporary world.

Already, CA has started to rebuild (life without Smith/Warner, just in case), bringing Shaun Marsh for a little experience in batting; add a year to settle things, Paine getting a bit experience as Captain, add the 3 bowlers + MM, they’ll be a force to reckon. AUS plays the game hard (& a bit naughty also, as we came to know), and their game starts improving with the tournament like the German soccer team. For a long tournament with 9 games to amend initial hiccups, Aussies will be a force, by the business end.

It’s an open WC with probably 8/9 teams having a shot at one of the 4 SF spots - I reckon, ENG, AUS & IND are firm favourites; last one spot is more open than ever.

 

[cricketworm]

Looking bleak now for Aus. Bowlers going for plenty. Mighty Aussies going down.

 

[troodon]

For WC, below will the Aus team.

1) Warner
2) Finch
3) Smith
4) Shaun Marsh
5) Maxwell
6)Mitch Marsh
7) Faulkner
8) Cummins
9) Starc
10) Zampa
11) Hazlewood

Aus will be back to the beast team that they really are.

Do not be fooled by these jokers who are currently playing in Aus colors.

 

[hadi123]

They've conceded the highest ever individual ODI team total! Never a good thing

 

[bujhee kom]

To OP: yes. This Aussie side is a joke.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Ricky Ponting must be weeping. In his days, Australia played even street cricket with more passion and skill.

 

[MMHS]

For WC, below will the Aus team.

1) Warner
2) Finch
3) Smith
4) Shaun Marsh
5) Maxwell
6)Mitch Marsh
7) Faulkner
8) Cummins
9) Starc
10) Zampa
11) Hazlewood

Aus will be back to the beast team that they really are.

Do not be fooled by these jokers who are currently playing in Aus colors.

They'll need a WK, so I guess Faulkner will make way for Bancroft, Wade or Payne. Add, Stoinis, Lyon, a back-up pacer and a batsman (may be Short) - no reason why that squad can't win the Cup for 6th time.

 

[Hasan123]

They'll need a WK, so I guess Faulkner will make way for Bancroft, Wade or Payne. Add, Stoinis, Lyon, a back-up pacer and a batsman (may be Short) - no reason why that squad can't win the Cup for 6th time.

Handscomb could take the gloves. Back up pacer will be Stanlake. Back up batsmen could be Lynn.

Aussie will be challenging next year.

 

[introvert]

They made mistake by not picking leg spinner in the team. Agar can play moeen like role for them but leg spinner is must.

 

[introvert]

Warner
Finch
Smith
Mitchell marsh/stoinis
Maxwell
Alex Carey (wk)
Agar
Cummins
Starc
Hazelwood
Zampa OR swepson

Backup : stanlake,tye, Shaun marsh or head.

Possible outside or replacement picks
: jhye Richardson , Nathan coulter nile, Chris lynn.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Why is it a given that Smith or Warner (big IF) will be at their best soon as they are back? Don't their bans expire a month or so before the WC?

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

People easily forget that before the 87' world cup and Border led revival, Australia were a very ordinary team for a pretty long duration.

However that said, the full-fledged Australian team is still a potent force and would rank about number 5 in limited overs cricket.

 

[Hasan123]

The bans on Smith and Warner were pathetic. 1 year ban. Australia players may have been taught a lesson but the team is going to suffer whilst they are out.

 

[Sherlock]

Honestly, never thought I'd agree with the suggestion this being Australia's worst ODI side. It's pretty poor, and I think the Smith/Warner/Bancroft sagas have been a bigger hit to the players psyche than originally thought. They're playing England at the wrong time too.

This will be a mammoth undertaking by Langer and co to turn this around.

 

[Aman]

Smith, Warner, Starc and Hazlewood would improve it plenty.

 

[IAJ]

They will be at their best again come the World cup, no worries.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

The bowling attack also lacks teeth.The quicker the first choice bowlers return,the better.

 

[Sam99]

I feel their 60% issues will be solved when Starc, Cummins & Hazlewood are back along with Mitchell Marsh as 4th option. They will then only need one good spinner to hold one end tight. When warner and smith are back and if they are in great form then i cant see any reason why this team cant go to atleast finals in worldcup .

 

[UN talkz]

I feel their 60% issues will be solved when Starc, Cummins & Hazlewood are back along with Mitchell Marsh as 4th option. They will then only need one good spinner to hold one end tight. When warner and smith are back and if they are in great form then i cant see any reason why this team cant go to atleast finals in worldcup .

If Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins would have been playing, England wouldn't have scored 350 in any game. They are just keeping them fresh and fit for WC

 

[ManFan]

If Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins would have been playing, England wouldn't have scored 350 in any game. They are just keeping them fresh and fit for WC

Except they wouldn’t need to score 350 to beat them.

They just beat AUS 4-1 in AUS after losing the Ashes 4-0-1.

Truth is, the Aussie ball-tampering scandal will have repercussions for years to come.

 

[Sam99]

Except they wouldn’t need to score 350 to beat them.

They just beat AUS 4-1 in AUS after losing the Ashes 4-0-1.

Truth is, the Aussie ball-tampering scandal will have repercussions for years to come.

Their all key bowlers played 4 - 5 matches so they were almost done for that time still they played few matches. I doubt england can win against full aus side if they are fresh.

 

[ManFan]

Their all key bowlers played 4 - 5 matches so they were almost done for that time still they played few matches. I doubt england can win against full aus side if they are fresh.

Yes but they were in terrific form also.

This was the first Ashes were there was no ONE standout performer.

In fact, the difference in ranking of the top four bowlers was one wicket.

Cummins (23)
Starc (22)
Lyon (21)
Hazlewood (21)

 

[cricketworm]

They will be at their best again come the World cup, no worries.

I fear the same. I believe they are not taking current bilaterals seriously. And they are trying out their all bench strength.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't see the point of this thread when they are missing several key players. Their core of Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins is top class, and thus a full strength Australian team is right up there with England and India as the best ODI team in the world.

Don't see the purpose of Paine in ODIs though. He seems to be their version of Misbah who is supposed to calm things down and restore their dignity, but they are taking this whole image restoration thing too far by playing him in a format where he doesn't belong.

 

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[hadi123]

A good bowling performance against England!

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I don't see the point of this thread when they are missing several key players. Their core of Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins is top class, and thus a full strength Australian team is right up there with England and India as the best ODI team in the world.

Don't see the purpose of Paine in ODIs though. He seems to be their version of Misbah who is supposed to calm things down and restore their dignity, but they are taking this whole image restoration thing too far by playing him in a format where he doesn't belong.

Banter aside, I just wanted to ask how Australians have fallen in ODI's since 1 year, more so after the sandpapergate fiasco. The Australian team with Smith, Warner, Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood got whooped 4-1 in their own backyard just after the Ashes. I seriously don't think they are one of the top 3 teams in the world atm. England and India are altogether at another level while SA, NZ, Pak, Aus are in tier 2 with SA and NZ being better than Pak and Aus.

Smith has been atrocious since 2 years in ODI's and Warner's int career is most likely over. Australian policies and public are not as tolerant as ours who will embrace them with open arms once their bans are up. Plus Shaun Marsh and Stoinis are nowhere good and consistent enough to make this Aus side a brilliant one.

Starc and Hazlewood truly are brilliant bowlers and will be handful come WC 2019. But I don't think Cummins is as good as people believe him to be. He is fast, yes, but the chances of him blowing an opposition away are not as much as Starc's. Hazlewood will be really dangerous in England because of his accurate line and length and his movement.

Coming to Paine, I don't see him half as good as Misbah. A comparison with Azhar Ali in ODI's will make a bit more sense as both were made captain as there wasn't any ready made replacement available at that time. Finch and Sarfraz, both are very much at the same point when Paine and Azhar were made captains. Plus Misbah was always there to build an innings and steady the ship. I know you dont rate Misbah but 44 ODI fifties tell you something that he was always there and would always score runs something Paine doesn't. Misbah was also a 10 times better tactician than Paine is right now.

 

[hadi123]

What about T20's? Surely not, as that would make today's loss even more embarassing.

 

[hadi123]

Why couldn't they play like this against England?

 

[Usman Chadda]

Why couldn't they play like this against England?

England is on another level to every LOI team in the world. Imagine Finch having to think about the fact that every one of that top 7 could replicate what he's doing here on a consistent basis

 

[Sam99]

Finch was batting low in odis for no reason but when he started to open he gave the results too. Shaun Marsh and finch were great in series but aus needed big strikers like maxwell and bowlers gave too many runs as well.