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Is the current Pakistan T20I team, its best ever?

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Pakistan won a World T20 crown in 2009 with a team that surprised many. It had many assets such as a young and quick Mohammad Amir, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik, Abdul Razzaq etc, but do you think the current teamwhich is ranked number 1 in the world is Pakistan's best ever T20I team?
 
The World T20 winning team was as follows:

K Akmal
Shahzaib Hasan
S Afridi
Shoaib Malik
A Razzaq
Younis Khan
Misbah
Fawad Alam
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal
Mohammad Amir
 
The World T20 winning team was as follows:

K Akmal
Shahzaib Hasan
S Afridi
Shoaib Malik
A Razzaq
Younis Khan
Misbah
Fawad Alam
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal
Mohammad Amir

It's hard to say because the 09 team cemented their greatness with a WorldT20 championship win, the current one have been very ruthless but their prowess has to be proven in 2020.

In T20 personally though I'd take any team which has peak Ajmal / Gul, Razzaq and Afridi. Ajmal, Gul and Afridi also top the charts when it comes to leading wicket takers in the format as well, that bowling attack was just freakish and then you have to deal with the likes of Afridi, Razzaq and Malik with the bat. The current team bat deep but with the 09 bowling attack it just doesn't matter.
 
The World T20 winning team was as follows:

K Akmal
Shahzaib Hasan
S Afridi
Shoaib Malik
A Razzaq
Younis Khan
Misbah
Fawad Alam
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal
Mohammad Amir

YK is underrated due to his rep in ODI's but in that 09 WT20 he did a terrific job in the middle order, always kept the scoreboard ticking
 
I think the current team wins out in the batting department.

In the bowling department it's really tough to beat a lineup of Ajmal, Gul and Afridi all 3 in their prime as well as a young Amir and an experienced Abdul Razzaq the street smart medium pacer.
 
Fakhar, Babar, Hasan would definitely get into the 09 side. Probably Talat and Asif as well.
 
I would call them best team yet untill they prove themselves in wct20 ,let alone away series vs SAF/ENG/AUS can tell thier worth ,apart from NZ they havent done really good to be best ever pak team coz i just checked most of the last played t20s were against WI/SL and lets be honest most teams can defeat them

In eng tour there was only 1 t20 so cant really say much for it

But overall they have done well and congrates to them

But to be considered best pak t20 team yet they need to play with good teams too (dont make point of WI being WC winners thus one of the best,coz bilateral teams of WI arent that good or comparable to wc one)
 
I would call them best team yet untill they prove themselves in wct20 ,let alone away series vs SAF/ENG/AUS can tell thier worth ,apart from NZ they havent done really good to be best ever pak team coz i just checked most of the last played t20s were against WI/SL and lets be honest most teams can defeat them

In eng tour there was only 1 t20 so cant really say much for it

But overall they have done well and congrates to them

But to be considered best pak t20 team yet they need to play with good teams too (dont make point of WI being WC winners thus one of the best,coz bilateral teams of WI arent that good or comparable to wc one)
West Indies played their full strength teams in the UAE 2016 and in Windies 2017. Pakistan comfortably beat them in three-match series both times. This same Windies side comfortably beat England in England in 2017 and also handed a few losses to India around the same period (India also played full strength sides if I remember correctly).

The balance in the current side is very good. Just need one solid powerhouse at the top of the order with Fakhar to round it off. The current bowling attack is as good as the one we fielded in WC09. With experience they will become even better.
 
Yes you are right :-) almost same squads but they only played 1 t20vs india around same time other than that yeh pak has done well in t20
 
The World T20 winning team was as follows:

K Akmal
Shahzaib Hasan
S Afridi
Shoaib Malik
A Razzaq
Younis Khan
Misbah
Fawad Alam
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal
Mohammad Amir

If you replace Shahzaib and Fawad with Imran Nazir and Sohail Tanvir (like in the 2007 T20 WC) then this team is much much superior to the current team.
 
I think 2009 team is the best. The bowling with GUL who was at the top of his form and the young Amir along with Ajmal, Afridi was much better than this. Batsmen had experience and skills.

As far as the current team goes, No1 is a bit misleading but I think Pak is in the top 3 T20 teams along with India and AUS at this point. We don't know who's the best among the three until they play each other. If this team can gain some experience and keeps the wins going, it has the potential to be the best not only in T20s but also ODIs.
 
That 2009 team overall wasn't that good, but they had 4 top class T20 players and those bowlers were at their prime - A Razzak, Afridi, Gul & Ajmal. Amir at that age was probably as good or better than what he is now, while Kamran is always a good T20 player.

It doesn't look cool when one sees Fawad, YK, Misbah in a T20 side, but in a 5 game series I'll back 2009 team to win. T20 is a bowling game and that team had 5 bowlers, each and everyone capable of winning a T20 in 4 overs. As a Captain as well, YK was excellent game reader.
 
2009 WT20 had better bowling although one was a chucker. Only Hasan Ali would make that side. Debatable as for which Amir is better in T20Is pre or post ban anyone?

The current batting unit looks stronger with the likes of Fakhar and Faheem as well other emerging talent like Talat etc.
 
Lol. 200 against this club side is a below average score.. that too in that packet size 35 yard boundaries.

This same club side beat your team last time. What makes it your minnow side?
 
I would still rate the 2009/10 higher, this side hasn't been tested enough.
 
Prime Gul was the difference. I would take any T20 team with him in it. Remember that same 09 T20 side failed in the 2010 WT20 just a few months later. Lost to Australia twice, New Zealand and England. Only won against a minnow Bangladesh side and the choking SA team.

Gul was injured in that tournament. He made a comeback a month later and we thrashed the same Australia T20 side in a series.
 
I think the current team is better.

Yes the 2009/10 team had an ATG Gul, Ajmal, Amir and Afridi but the current team also has Amir, Hassan and Shadab. Batting wise it is no match as Babar, Fakhar, Talat are all clearly much better than the likes of Misbah, YK, Shahzaib etc.
 
Current team is better. I think we've had better teams after 2009. There was a bit of dead weight in that 2009 team. While in the current team there isn't.

Big difference is Babar who is by far the best T20 batsman we've ever had. Never had a consistent batsman in T20s before.

Bowling 2009 is stronger. But the better batting we have now outweighs that.
 
The current team has feasted on third string teams from WI, SL and World XI in 16 out its last 20 games. The stats are deeply misleading, You guys need to wake up to reality.
 
The current team has feasted on third string teams from WI, SL and World XI in 16 out its last 20 games. The stats are deeply misleading, You guys need to wake up to reality.
WI 2016 and 2017 weren't third string. You need to educate yourself before you post here.
 
WI 2016 and 2017 weren't third string. You need to educate yourself before you post here.

There are always some boogie teams for certain teams. Ok lets remove those 7 games... You still have 9 games with near associate level teams out of out of the last 12. which has helped propel Pakistan to top of rankings.

Its like saying Rashid Khan is the greatest bowler of all times. He is good but not the greatest because of the teams he has played against.
 
That 2009 bowling attack was just pure class - with several of the bowlers at their peak, with a raw but fiery Mohammad Amir to compliment them.
 
The 2009 team had a couple of t20 beasts in the side such as Umar Gul, Ajmal, Razzaq, Afridi etc. and fortunately they were all in great form at that time. But the current t20 side imo has all bases covered right now. The make up of this team is superior to the 2009 team. Therefore, I would say that the current t20 team is the best we have ever had.
 
That 2009 bowling attack was just pure class - with several of the bowlers at their peak, with a raw but fiery Mohammad Amir to compliment them.

They were all in good form at that time and fit. But the current bowling attack in t20s has all bases covered.
 
The bowling attack of 2009 is much better than the current imo, I think in a 5 match T20 series they'd win purely because of it.
 
There are always some boogie teams for certain teams. Ok lets remove those 7 games... You still have 9 games with near associate level teams out of out of the last 12. which has helped propel Pakistan to top of rankings.

Its like saying Rashid Khan is the greatest bowler of all times. He is good but not the greatest because of the teams he has played against.

There is nothing wrong with bashing weak opposition. You dominate them and this is what Pakistan has been doing.

It is like saying India attained #1 ranking by beating weak teams on turners.
 
There are always some boogie teams for certain teams. Ok lets remove those 7 games... You still have 9 games with near associate level teams out of out of the last 12. which has helped propel Pakistan to top of rankings.

Its like saying Rashid Khan is the greatest bowler of all times. He is good but not the greatest because of the teams he has played against.

The bolded part also shows you have no clue how ICC rankings work.
 
Prime Gul and Afridi are the one of the biggest matchwinners in t20 cricket history! Amir was much more aggressive then. We had a pre tuk tuk Misbah and a leader in Younus. Kami was a blazing opener and AbdulRazzaq was one of the best finishers going around.

Nuff said the modern side won't stand a chance.
 
Yes it is!
Our bowling and captaincy will restrict teams for 160 most of the times which will be good enough for our batting.
 
Let's wait for the current team to win World T20. Current team is very good, but previous team won world T20.
 
Nailed it. There should be complaints if Pak actually lost against these weak teams. They won these games by a huge margin. Similarly India's win against SA in ODis can't be laughed at too. 5 out of 6 games weren't even close. India destroyed SA like Pak did in the recent WI series. All the teams deserve their rankings at this point in every format.
 
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