Is the hitting ability of the New Zealand batsmen overrated?

[gazza619]

Whenever I have seen Kiwi batsmen batting on grounds where the boundaries are decent size they struggle to hit big. They are great on small grounds where boundaries are like 50-60m. Today was a prime example where both Munro and Anderson were caught on the boundaries. Both the strikes would have been a 6 in New Zealand. Taylor hit a few shots on the leg side which fell short of the fielder.

Dont get me wrong Munro did hit three 6’s today but overall are the kiwi batsmen really as good as we make them?

 

[troodon]

They only have 2 real hitters. Guptill and Munro.

KW is too slow for this format. Ross T plays well once in a blue moon. Anderson is rubbish now. He used to be like Munro a few years ago. Grandhome is decent.

I cannot believe Luke Ronchi could not find a spot in the batting lineup. He is much better than the likes of Anderson, and the newbie that played at 5 down. Not sure what Luke Ronchi has done to be disregarded.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

On a true pitch, probably the most dangerous lineup in the world.

 

[Plumb]

They only have 2 real hitters. Guptill and Munro.

KW is too slow for this format. Ross T plays well once in a blue moon. Anderson is rubbish now. He used to be like Munro a few years ago. Grandhome is decent.

I cannot believe Luke Ronchi could not find a spot in the batting lineup. He is much better than the likes of Anderson, and the newbie that played at 5 down. Not sure what Luke Ronchi has done to be disregarded.

That's so underrated evaluation of the Kiwi team.

 

[Rayyman]

Comparison:

England Top 6:
Roy, Buttler, Hales, Morgan, Stokes, Ali

Australia Top 6:
Finch, Short, Lynn, Maxwell, McDermott, Marsh

South Africa Top 6:
Amla, De Kock, Du Plessis, Duminy, Miller, Behardien

India Top 6:
Sharma, Dhawan, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni, Pandya

WI Top 6:
Gayle, Lewis, Samuels, Hetmyer, Russell, Brathwaite

NZ Top 6:
Munro, Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, De Grandhomme, Anderson

I'll put WI on top, and Eng/NZ/Ind in the next category.

 

[blackanhyellow]

They only have 2 real hitters. Guptill and Munro.

KW is too slow for this format. Ross T plays well once in a blue moon. Anderson is rubbish now. He used to be like Munro a few years ago. Grandhome is decent.

I cannot believe Luke Ronchi could not find a spot in the batting lineup. He is much better than the likes of Anderson, and the newbie that played at 5 down. Not sure what Luke Ronchi has done to be disregarded.

Yes Luke Ronchi is still a very good player.

Even McCullum could have played t20Is for a couple more years.

1) Luke Ronchi
2) Munro
3) Guptil
4) Brendan McCullum

could have been an atg top order in t20s.

 

[gazza619]

Comparison:

England Top 6:
Roy, Buttler, Hales, Morgan, Stokes, Ali

Australia Top 6:
Finch, Short, Lynn, Maxwell, McDermott, Marsh

South Africa Top 6:
Amla, De Kock, Du Plessis, Duminy, Miller, Behardien

India Top 6:
Sharma, Dhawan, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni, Pandya

WI Top 6:
Gayle, Lewis, Samuels, Hetmyer, Russell, Brathwaite

NZ Top 6:
Munro, Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, De Grandhomme, Anderson

I'll put WI on top, and Eng/NZ/Ind in the next category.

Thanks for putting up the names. Really interesting comparison. When you see the list you would almost choose the kiwi batting (with Guptill) in it.
Whats more interesting is that Pakistan is not even in the reckoning and yet we are number 1.

 

[jnaveen1980]

On their day they can be really dangerous. I don't know about the individual form of their players. When they collectively click they are deadly dangerous.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Comparison:

England Top 6:
Roy, Buttler, Hales, Morgan, Stokes, Ali

Australia Top 6:
Finch, Short, Lynn, Maxwell, McDermott, Marsh

South Africa Top 6:
Amla, De Kock, Du Plessis, Duminy, Miller, Behardien

India Top 6:
Sharma, Dhawan, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni, Pandya

WI Top 6:
Gayle, Lewis, Samuels, Hetmyer, Russell, Brathwaite

NZ Top 6:
Munro, Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, De Grandhomme, Anderson

I'll put WI on top, and Eng/NZ/Ind in the next category.

India is more like

Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Pandya

And that's as good as any if not better than the others.

Australia are totally dependent on conditions, and so are England and Windies. South Africa is comfortably a level below.

NZ have the adaptability with Williamson but Anderson has regressed a little and Taylor is more or less vintage.

I'd say India is the best batting line-up when it comes to white ball cricket.

 

[Adijazz1706]

NZ batsmen have been hyped due to the tiny grounds they play in where a front foot defence might go fo four if you're lucky. Afridi avgs 35+ there in ODIs IIRC, which shows that even mishits go outta the park. That's why I'm amused by people overrating McCullum like he was Gilchrist

 

[cricketworm]

No, it's not overrated. Check the meters of those 6's being hit, anything excess of 77 meters in any ground is a 6. Pakistan dodged the bullet in first t20. It was a close game thanks to great spin bowling and choke hold given to their batsman. Game was done if Munro had stayed for one more over.

Munro has 3 times better average against spinners than pacers, shows when he hit it sails way over boundary line. Smaller ground does make the way they bat though. They are confident going after top bowlers, but doesn't make them overrated.

NZ is team to beat in T20.

 

[Justcrazy]

On a true pitch, probably the most dangerous lineup in the world.

How they are more dangerous than England or Indian Top 3 on flat pitches?

 

[Justcrazy]

India is more like

Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Pandya

And that's as good as any if not better than the others.

Australia are totally dependent on conditions, and so are England and Windies. South Africa is comfortably a level below.

NZ have the adaptability with Williamson but Anderson has regressed a little and Taylor is more or less vintage.

I'd say India is the best batting line-up when it comes to white ball cricket.

India top 3 are capable of batting for longer periods of time , that gives them edge over England I feel

 

[Hasan123]

No they are not ovverated.

 

[Rayyman]

India is more like

Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Pandya

And that's as good as any if not better than the others.

Australia are totally dependent on conditions, and so are England and Windies. South Africa is comfortably a level below.

NZ have the adaptability with Williamson but Anderson has regressed a little and Taylor is more or less vintage.

I'd say India is the best batting line-up when it comes to white ball cricket.

India top 3 are capable of batting for longer periods of time , that gives them edge over England I feel

If we are talking about 6-hitting ability against pace, India is not elite.

 

[Buffet]

Last 6 overs they took 63 runs today. Not a bad one.

 

[CricketDon]

On a true pitch, probably the most dangerous lineup in the world.

You mean a road?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

You mean a road?

Yes.

 

[CricVet]

Some Salty comments from people across the fence , some valid. In end, we are the BEST T20 team. NZ is NOT.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Credit where credit is due - the NZ batsmen are great at big hitting, however, alhumdullilah our bowlers have done very well so far to keep them some what in check.

 

[srh]

how did that other opener (other than Monrow) get into NZ team?

 

[Ab Fan]

Hasn't Guptill declined in ODI cricket in last two years? I remember 2 years ago, both Rohit and Guptill were at same level, averaging around 43-44 with some disparity between their home and away average.

Rohit has taken his average to 47 now and for Guptill, it slips down to 42. Guptill's away average is also a mediocre 36.

While it is true that in T20s, they both are match winners and game changers but in ODI, Guptill curve has gone slightly downward while for Rohit, it has been all upward.

 

[DRsohail]

YEss.

 

[Hawkeye]

NZ batsmen have been hyped due to the tiny grounds they play in where a front foot defence might go fo four if you're lucky. Afridi avgs 35+ there in ODIs IIRC, which shows that even mishits go outta the park. That's why I'm amused by people overrating McCullum like he was Gilchrist

lmao.

Watch them thrash us in World T20.

 

[sali]

These pitches can't show a true measure of stroke players. There is little bounce and ball comes slow. Hafeez and Shoaib will struggle in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, UK but do good in UAE and Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

Seems only one or 2 can go for their shots and win against the bowlers.

 

[barah_admi]

This is what happens if you don't watch enough cricket. NZ is the second or 3rd best t20 side around with a powerful batting line up. Pakistan are simply better. Stop complaining.

 

[PakSarZameen]

Yes. Even Sarfraz was hitting sixes in those tinpot grounds.

 

[Aman]

Munro is our consistent big hitter atm, Guptill is there too but he's injured.

Colin isn't reliable and Anderson is coming back, but he seems past it/figured out.