Is the PCB right to demand an apology from the ACB regarding their stance against Pakistan?

[Hitman]

Shahryar Khan:

"Regarding Bangladesh and Afghanistan - the latter gave a strong political statement so we decided we don't want to have anything to do with them. Their Chairman apologised to me privately and said it was a mistake that they regret but we had made our decision. Until they publicly take back what they said, we won't consider having bilateral ties."
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[ExpressPacer]

We don't need to revive ties with Afghanistan EVEN IF they do send in an apology. No need to be playing or having good relations with an ungrateful, backstabbing and thankless associate nation, let alone minnow.

 

[santos11]

PCB can't afford to become enemies with all Asian Boards at same time.

First BCCI, then BCB and now ACB.

 

[ipl_fan]

A board like BCCI CA ECB can afford as many enemies as they want. They have the top dollars and that is what actually matters.

PCB can ill afford enemies. They already are without a home and now they have enemies at all levels. You do not need external enemies to alienate you.

 

[Sherlock]

Tbh, I kinda agree with what was said. He said he wanted a public apology from the Afghani chairman, just as they went public with their insinuation that PCB had something to do with the terrorist attack on their country.

Saying something privately is one thing, saying it openly and in public is the only way we move forward.

Shouldn't be that hard either, otherwise they should have realised what they were saying before they made those insidious remarks.

 

[Adil_94]

yes tbh if ACB apologises in public. Then the matter should be resolved and if it brings intl cricket back to Pak im all for it.

 

[DRsohail]

we dont need afghanistan .even with apology we dont need to have bilaterlas with them..with bangladesh,it can be done with out apology because they have not done anthing stupid like acb done...

 

[ExpressPacer]

A board like BCCI CA ECB can afford as many enemies as they want. They have the top dollars and that is what actually matters.

PCB can ill afford enemies. They already are without a home and now they have enemies at all levels. You do not need external enemies to alienate you.

It is only a myth that keeps Indians asleep at night and fans like yourself deluded that the PCB is some poor institution and we can barely manage to pay our bills, let alone afford "enemies". First of all, PCB has the right to do whatsoever it wishes. Secondly, not only are we correct in doing so but it would be hypocritical of Pakistanis or the PCB to not do so because it is the firm belief of Pakistanis as a nation to question anything wrongly appropriated against them. In each of the cases, it was the rival boards fault as the BCB and BCCI had promised tours whereas ACB has failed to recognize are services to them despite all their wrongdoing against us.

Do you want the PCB to fall victim and become prey of all these boards? No thank you, we have a rich history of dominating India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan and not only will we maintain our dominance over them but we will also not let anyone raise a false finger against Pakistan or PCB.

This is exactly what the BCCI and GOI want. For Pakistan to be shunned and keep quiet to all the atrocities being committed against. I admire and raise my hat to the brilliant and courageous display PCB officials have put forward. I may criticize them for all their corruption and ineptness but such decision to protect the integrity of Pakistan and Pakistan Cricket are commendable.

Also to remind you, Pakistan are current Champions so it is foolish and ignorant of you to claim that Pakistan does not have the ability to have quarrels or afford to protect their RIGHTS. Sorry to burst your bubble but Pakistan will only elevate in the eyes of the World for not bowing down to the offense of a tyrant nation and keeping its held up high.

 

[Executioner]

This is just a public apology. What ACB chairman said was atrocious and a simple apology in public can resume the ties with both nations then why not. ACB are in no spot to bargain

 

[ipl_fan]

It is only a myth that keeps Indians asleep at night and fans like yourself deluded that the PCB is some poor institution and we can barely manage to pay our bills, let alone afford "enemies". First of all, PCB has the right to do whatsoever it wishes. Secondly, not only are we correct in doing so but it would be hypocritical of Pakistanis or the PCB to not do so because it is the firm belief of Pakistanis as a nation to question anything wrongly appropriated against them. In each of the cases, it was the rival boards fault as the BCB and BCCI had promised tours whereas ACB has failed to recognize are services to them despite all their wrongdoing against us.

Do you want the PCB to fall victim and become prey of all these boards? No thank you, we have a rich history of dominating India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan and not only will we maintain our dominance over them but we will also not let anyone raise a false finger against Pakistan or PCB.

This is exactly what the BCCI and GOI want. For Pakistan to be shunned and keep quiet to all the atrocities being committed against. I admire and raise my hat to the brilliant and courageous display PCB officials have put forward. I may criticize them for all their corruption and ineptness but such decision to protect the integrity of Pakistan and Pakistan Cricket are commendable.

Also to remind you, Pakistan are current Champions so it is foolish and ignorant of you to claim that Pakistan does not have the ability to have quarrels or afford to protect their RIGHTS. Sorry to burst your bubble but Pakistan will only elevate in the eyes of the World for not bowing down to the offense of a tyrant nation and keeping its held up high.

If an emotional stance suits you, so be it. A rational one will be less enemies when you have less leverage. You wasted a lot of energy in typing such a long post.

 

[Sherlock]

This is just a public apology. What ACB chairman said was atrocious and a simple apology in public can resume the ties with both nations then why not. ACB are in no spot to bargain

Yep, agreed.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=143510]ipl_fan[/MENTION] pcb is not that poor...corruption is doing the very damage to our cricket....and incompetency of administrators....

 

[ads101]

Was a really dumb thing to do by ACB to the country which has supported them the most arguably and even had their former players in their coaching set up.

Without a public apology, they shouldn't resume ties. Even then PCB don't need the ACB, ACB need them. I think with that statement, he's probably damaged ties irrevocably. I don't see PCB inviting Afghanistan to be part of any of their domestic tournaments anymore regardless of what happens, nor do I think Pakistan will visit Afghanistan or let Afghanistan play them in the UAE. Will probably only allow them to tour Pakistan which suits their interests.

This is different to the Bangladesh situation with two bigger boards where indeed both do need each other. ACB is a associate nation bringing almost nothing in the economic sense to the table. With both India and Bangladesh, both Pakistan and the other boards lose millions with the cutting of ties (even if you argue that they, especially India don't need the extra money). I doubt PCB lose anything cutting ties with ACB while ACB have probably lost the only test playing nation who was willing to play with them.

In fact the best thing ACB could do is sack the chairman and dump the blame solely on him, saying it was something that didn't represent the board or country.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Yes,the PCB is in the right here,what the ACB did was wrong.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Yes.

 

[MenInG]

ACB standing their ground.

 

[Executioner]

Was a really dumb thing to do by ACB to the country which has supported them the most arguably and even had their former players in their coaching set up.

Without a public apology, they shouldn't resume ties. Even then PCB don't need the ACB, ACB need them. I think with that statement, he's probably damaged ties irrevocably. I don't see PCB inviting Afghanistan to be part of any of their domestic tournaments anymore regardless of what happens, nor do I think Pakistan will visit Afghanistan or let Afghanistan play them in the UAE. Will probably only allow them to tour Pakistan which suits their interests.

This is different to the Bangladesh situation with two bigger boards where indeed both do need each other. ACB is a associate nation bringing almost nothing in the economic sense to the table. With both India and Bangladesh, both Pakistan and the other boards lose millions with the cutting of ties (even if you argue that they, especially India don't need the extra money). I doubt PCB lose anything cutting ties with ACB while ACB have probably lost the only test playing nation who was willing to play with them.

In fact the best thing ACB could do is sack the chairman and dump the blame solely on him, saying it was something that didn't represent the board or country.

I see you mentioned the BCB thing. I agree PCB is in no position to cut ties with BCB otherwise they will have to resort to playing against teams that generate fewer revenue-zim Lanka WI. Bangladesh market tuning into PSL is a good thing too for PCB. The reverse also applies.

However unlike ACB BCB didn't make mockery statements. BCB has always been willing to maintain a good relationship with PCB for the benefit of both sides. BCB politely declined to tour Pakistan. ACB chairman made a horror remark.

 

[ads101]

I see you mentioned the BCB thing. I agree PCB is in no position to cut ties with BCB otherwise they will have to resort to playing against teams that generate fewer revenue-zim Lanka WI. Bangladesh market tuning into PSL is a good thing too for PCB. The reverse also applies.

However unlike ACB BCB didn't make mockery statements. BCB has always been willing to maintain a good relationship with PCB for the benefit of both sides. BCB politely declined to tour Pakistan. ACB chairman made a horror remark.

I didn't mention BCB in terms of similar behaviour to ACB, they certainly have acted far better. In fact PCB has done some bad things in terms of the relations between the boards and I don't blame BCB for not wanting to tour Pakistan, we were wrong to pressurise them clearly quite a few of the Bangladeshi players were not comfortable with touring. ACB though entirely their fault.

I have hope BCB and PCB will sort out their issues in the future. After the ACB chairman's statement in the latest thread too, I see no future, nor any reason why PCB should try to make amends, they aren't in the wrong here. The situation has got to the point where Afghanistan has to publicly sack the chairman in light of this for any small hope of resumption of ties.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

ACB will never apologize.
The statement was dumb and they shot themselves in the foot, but currently ACB is not really interested in playing Pakistan. They received a lot of abuse for announcing series with Pakistan, so that statement they made was to calm people down.

Afghanistan has played a total of 1 or 2 T20I against Pakistan and 1 ODI or so, so it's not like they gonna miss out

 

[Savak]

Absolutely. Minnows should always be shown their aukaat. Can't allow a minnow country to disrespect a superior and be allowed to get away with it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI has said similar things like what ACB said.But PCB still very keen on playing a series with India.Why?Whats the difference?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Absolutely. Minnows should always be shown their aukaat. Can't allow a minnow country to disrespect a superior and be allowed to get away with it.

You are nobodys superior.Get that out of your mind that PCB is superior to anybody neither is it inferior.

 

[LahoreWala]

You are nobodys superior.Get that out of your mind that PCB is superior to anybody neither is it inferior.

We're pretty superior to Afghanistan of all cricketing nations. Even you of all people should realize that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We're pretty superior to Afghanistan of all cricketing nations. Even you of all people should realize that.

So Australia and England or SA are superior to you?

 

[LahoreWala]

So Australia and England or SA are superior to you?

I'd say we're more or less on even terms. Considering that fact that we've just won the Champions' Trophy, drawn a test series in England, and have defended our home emphatically against Australia the last time they were in the UAE.

I digress and I think you're missing the point. Afghanistan were an associate nation not too long ago, haven't done anything in top draw cricket, and have been nurtured by our country (considering the fact a lot of their players honed their games here). Now, after all of that, and throwing away your Indian-tinted glases, what makes you think their cricket is the same as ours?

 

[Coconut]

Someone is lying here. S khan is saying that Afghanistan board president has secretly apologised to him while the Afghanistan board president is saying that he doesn't see the need for an apology to pcb.

Who's the lier here? Any guess?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'd say we're more or less on even terms. Considering that fact that we've just won the Champions' Trophy, drawn a test series in England, and have defended our home emphatically against Australia the last time they were in the UAE.

I digress and I think you're missing the point. Afghanistan were an associate nation not too long ago, haven't done anything in top draw cricket, and have been nurtured by our country (considering the fact a lot of their players honed their games here). Now, after all of that, and throwing away your Indian-tinted glases, what makes you think their cricket is the same as ours?

They are a test nation know and enjoy the same priviledges that any other test nation does.This attitude that Afghans and Bangladeshis own PCB or Pakistan some gratitude is extremely annoying.No one owes PCB or Pakistan anything.

So no PCB isnt superior to anyone and neither is it inferior to anyone.No one owes you anything.

PSlease open a thread about how Pakistan is equal to Australia in cricket.Or even SA.

 

[Abdullah719]

BCCI has said similar things like what ACB said.But PCB still very keen on playing a series with India.Why?Whats the difference?

Did any BCCI Chairman or top official say that Pakistan harbours terrorists?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Did any BCCI Chairman or top official say that Pakistan harbours terrorists?

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-pakistan-uri-attacks-terrorism/1/771628.html

Only one example.

 

[ExpressPacer]

BCCI has said similar things like what ACB said.But PCB still very keen on playing a series with India.Why?Whats the difference?

You're a good poster so I'd expect you to have some knowledge and an unbiased opinion, at the very least, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Pakistan was never dying for a series with India in the first place, although it may seem so to an someone with little knowledge regarding the issue.

It was only that a deal had been signed between both boards, the PCB and the BCCI that made it necessary on both boards to play series with each other. Pakistan stayed true to its word and did so, India on the other hand did not honor the MOU and therefore, Pakistan insisted India on honoring its promises and touring Pakistan (UAE).

An Indo-Pak series is always a big affair and therefore, involves a lot of profit for the host country. Pakistan did India a favour by touring first and would have dealt with India the same way as it has dealt with the ACB had a deal not been signed. Your inadequacy in knowledge only shows you to be an ignorant.

 

[Abdullah719]

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-pakistan-uri-attacks-terrorism/1/771628.html

Only one example.

I did pose this question earlier on the forum but didn't get a direct answer, though Thakur's name was mentioned. No surprise to see such comments from him considering he is a politician.

The reality is that every board will act within its interests according to what is more beneficial for itself. It would be akin to shooting itself in the foot for PCB to play a series with Afghanistan after a comment like this because there is not a lot in it for us.

Playing India, on the other hand would be massively beneficial for Pakistan, mainly in terms of finances.

India does this as well. By playing against Pakistan in tournaments. Forfeiting would simply put themselves at a disadvantage.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I did pose this question earlier on the forum but didn't get a direct answer, though Thakur's name was mentioned. No surprise to see such comments from him considering he is a politician.

The reality is that every board will act within its interests according to what is more beneficial for itself. It would be akin to shooting itself in the foot for PCB to play a series with Afghanistan after a comment like this because there is not a lot in it for us.

Playing India, on the other hand would be massively beneficial for Pakistan, mainly in terms of finances.

India does this as well. By playing against Pakistan in tournaments. Forfeiting would simply put themselves at a disadvantage.

So basically its hypocrisy?Trying to put pressure on a smaller board but when it comes to BCCI,they dont even have the guts to condemn the statement.

Thought so.

 

[Abdullah719]

So basically its hypocrisy?Trying to put pressure on a smaller board but when it comes to BCCI,they dont even have the guts to condemn the statement.

Thought so.

Acting within their interests.

Hypocrisy if you want to call it. But then it's also hypocrisy on India's part to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments. Do you agree?

 

[RickyG]

They are ungrateful people in general. Their cricketers learn their trade in Pakistan by using the Pashtun/Muslim brother card. After which they criticize and hate on Pakistan. They see Pakistan as a stepping stone to go abroad and leave their own war-torn country. Lots of illegals in Canada actually.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

BCCI has said similar things like what ACB said.But PCB still very keen on playing a series with India.Why?Whats the difference?

Thats understandable. PCB benifits financially and psychologically if they win. against AFG, they are damned if they lose (Pak can lose to anyone anytime) and if they win they wont get anything be it money or points.

They may be right to demand an apology since PCB is has nothing to do with politics or terrorism its the PAK government, and as far as I know Kabul (and New Delhi) still maintians embassies in Islamabad.

its all petty politics from all 3 sides.

The BCB is right to refuse touring PAK, but even then they should have offered to let PAK play in BD as their home series and take a share of the revenue. again petty politics on the part of BCB.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You're a good poster so I'd expect you to have some knowledge and an unbiased opinion, at the very least, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Pakistan was never dying for a series with India in the first place, although it may seem so to an someone with little knowledge regarding the issue.

It was only that a deal had been signed between both boards, the PCB and the BCCI that made it necessary on both boards to play series with each other. Pakistan stayed true to its word and did so, India on the other hand did not honor the MOU and therefore, Pakistan insisted India on honoring its promises and touring Pakistan (UAE).

An Indo-Pak series is always a big affair and therefore, involves a lot of profit for the host country. Pakistan did India a favour by touring first and would have dealt with India the same way as it has dealt with the ACB had a deal not been signed. Your inadequacy in knowledge only shows you to be an ignorant.

With all due respect, this so called "MOU" was signed in 2014.I can give you the entire chronology of PCB chairmans asking India to play with Pakistan since 2009-10.Ijaz Butt, Zaka Ashraf all of them.

PCB did India no favour.Zaka Ashraf was desperate to host a series with India and offered to play a series in India to break the deadlock.Its on the record,his statements.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/pak...oadcasting-rights-for-usd-150-million-1502670

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...ose-usd-85-million-if-it-fails-to-host-india/

60 to 65% of PCB's broadcast revenue is dependent on India touring.

Even before this deal the last deal also had similar clauses and PCB didnt get almost 60% of the money because it didnt host India.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ion-PCB/articleshow_b2/20924153.cms?prtpage=1


I have been here on this forum discussing this topic 5 years before you even came.Please do some research before calling others ignorant.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Acting within their interests.

Hypocrisy if you want to call it. But then it's also hypocrisy on India's part to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments. Do you agree?

India's refusal to Play Pakistan is to financially disadvantage PCB for Pakistans support of terrorism.If India doesnt play Pakistan in ICC evennts,it gifts them 2 points not disadvantage them.So dont think its hypocrisy.

On the other hand PCB is outraged at ACB calling Pakistan a terror supporter.BCCI has done it quite a few times.Not even a condemnation from PCB.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Acting within their interests.

Hypocrisy if you want to call it. But then it's also hypocrisy on India's part to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments. Do you agree?

Yess there soldiers are dying at the LOC thats why they can not play series but in tournaments then the soldiers have no value.
Thats what you call hypocrites.

 

[Abdullah719]

India's refusal to Play Pakistan is to financially disadvantage PCB for Pakistans support of terrorism.If India doesnt play Pakistan in ICC evennts,it gifts them 2 points not disadvantage them.So dont think its hypocrisy.

On the other hand PCB is outraged at ACB calling Pakistan a terror supporter.BCCI has done it quite a few times.Not even a condemnation from PCB.

What does PCB's revenue have to do with 'support of terrorism'?

 

[kingusama92]

Have to side with the PCB here.

That was a crass and highly inappropriate statement from the ACB. A public apology is important in such cases.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What does PCB's revenue have to do with 'support of terrorism'?

The money is flowing to a Pakistani national organisation.And Indian public is funding that money to a large extent.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

India's refusal to Play Pakistan is to financially disadvantage PCB for Pakistans support of terrorism.If India doesnt play Pakistan in ICC evennts,it gifts them 2 points not disadvantage them.So dont think its hypocrisy.

On the other hand PCB is outraged at ACB calling Pakistan a terror supporter.BCCI has done it quite a few times.Not even a condemnation from PCB.

you've answered your own question. BCCI takes two different positions for their perceived benefit and the PCB does as well. its in their perceived benefit to play India but not Afghanistan hence why they keep begging India for a series but are willing to cut ties with afghanistan. indians and pakistanis are just mirror images of each other in almost every way.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

The money is flowing to a Pakistani national organisation.And Indian public is funding that money to a large extent.

Again how is that related to funding terrorism? PCB is an organization that deals with cricket only. BCCI refusing to play is because of the insecurties of the GoI. The concept of "politics and sports shouldn't mix" hasn't really sunk in with them.

Pakistan is a victim of terrorism itself.

 

[moghul]

ACB didn't deserve any importance , PCB should have ignored it. ACB is just following the BCCI's dictation, nothing else.

 

[mueez14]

Absolutely right step...thumbs up

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again how is that related to funding terrorism? PCB is an organization that deals with cricket only. BCCI refusing to play is because of the insecurties of the GoI. The concept of "politics and sports shouldn't mix" hasn't really sunk in with them.

Pakistan is a victim of terrorism itself.

Its a Pakistan state organisation.Thats reason enough.

Insecurity of GOI?What insecurity?

Please teach this concept to PCB first and also Pak govt.

Pcb boycotted the Asia cup in India in 1990 and tours to India in 93 and 95.

Pakistan also boycotted the Moscow olympics.

 

[princeuk]

Wow some of the comments on this thread are quite unbelievable, the ACB owe pakistan a hell of a lot, their players have been allowed to play and participate in pakistan and their domestic competition, this has given them great exposure to play against good players and develop their skills. This is all a fact.

The posters who say that ACB owe pakistan nothing are wrong, very wrong. Someone with an IOTA of knowledge between pakistan and Afghanistan will know this and are just choosing to be ignorant.

The ACB in it's stupidity have stopped the only team will to tour Afghanistan, ask anyone else who wants to go there? No-one.

Why they doing this cos we know which board is behind this and which mantra they are following. It's pretty dumb of them cos it's not in their benefit to be doing all this as they are hurting themselves. Their country has attacked pakistan on many occasions but the PCB know that the cricketers are not to blame or their board, ACB can't seem to distinguish between the two.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Its a Pakistan state organisation.Thats reason enough.

Insecurity of GOI?What insecurity?

Please teach this concept to PCB first and also Pak govt.

Pcb boycotted the Asia cup in India in 1990 and tours to India in 93 and 95.

Pakistan also boycotted the Moscow olympics.

So basically you're saying a titfor tat approach is ok?

Stop giving me examples and give me actual facts about what you have originally stated. How is the PCB related/linked to "supporting terrorism"?

Your saying they are a state owned organistion, ok, so? One cannot equate government departments. Also, that's basically the case across the subcontinent, something that is out of the PCB hands. If the PCB was privitized, India would play then?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So basically you're saying a titfor tat approach is ok?

Stop giving me examples and give me actual facts about what you have originally stated. How is the PCB related/linked to "supporting terrorism"?

Your saying they are a state owned organistion, ok, so? One cannot equate government departments. Also, that's basically the case across the subcontinent, something that is out of the PCB hands. If the PCB was privitized, India would play then?

Basically Pakistanis are in no position to give sermons on not mixing sports with politics.They did it when it suited them and others will do it too.

For GOI Pakistani state supports terrorism in India and hence no Indian money should flow to any Pakistani national organisation.

Sporting boycott of a team is a well known act to show boycott of that nation's establishment.Has happened throughout history.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Basically Pakistanis are in no position to give sermons on not mixing sports with politics.They did it when it suited them and others will do it too.

For GOI Pakistani state supports terrorism in India and hence no Indian money should flow to any Pakistani national organisation.

Sporting boycott of a team is a well known act to show boycott of that nation's establishment.Has happened throughout history.

Again your beating around the bush. Pakistanis are in no position? When Pakistan did it, did India attempt this many times to revive relations? Save me the political BS, and answer my question. How does the PCB support terrorism? You claimed this, now provide proof. Or admit that you were talking rubbish.

 

[KhalidRafi]

It's remarkable really. Pakistan probably has the biggest hand in the emergence of Afghanistan as a cricketing nation. Their players learned to play it in our country, our board gave them facilities for coaching and training and apart from that PCB has always supported the ACB when they had nothing and this is the thanks we get? Shameful.

I don't mean to get political here but as far as accusations are concerned, we all know where the root of the current situation in Pakistan stems from. And the fact that ACB made that statement shows both their level of maturity considering they were issuing the statement to a cricket board and also highly ironic coming from them of all countries


I hope Afghanistan enjoy playing test cricket with Ireland and Zimbabwe for the next 10 years because those are the only teams who will play with them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again your beating around the bush. Pakistanis are in no position? When Pakistan did it, did India attempt this many times to revive relations? Save me the political BS, and answer my question. How does the PCB support terrorism? You claimed this, now provide proof. Or admit that you were talking rubbish.

PCB is dependent on the India tour for 60% of its TV revenues hence the desperation.LOL at trying to disguise it as some kind of sporting love by PCB.

Nowhere did i claim PCB supported terrorism.But PCB is part of Pakistani establishment which supports terrorism in india.Thats a reason good enough for the GOI and i dont have any issues with the GOIs decision.


Now come to the original point.BCCI said similar things that ACB did.But PCB didnt have the guts to say anything to.BCCI?Why?

 

[mmkextreme_1]

PCB is dependent on the India tour for 60% of its TV revenues hence the desperation.LOL at trying to disguise it as some kind of sporting love by PCB.

Nowhere did i claim PCB supported terrorism.But PCB is part of Pakistani establishment which supports terrorism in india.Thats a reason good enough for the GOI and i dont have any issues with the GOIs decision.


Now come to the original point.BCCI said similar things that ACB did.But PCB didnt have the guts to say anything to.BCCI?Why?

PCB can have whatever reason it has to play India, that is the overall point of the sport, to play. Your idea of India not playing Pakistan because of the PCB linked to the government and that India doesn't want the PCB to generate the revenue because it wants to "disadvantage" them, because of GoP support of terrorism. I still don't see how the two are correlated? The PCB comes under the government but has no say in foreign relations/clandestine activities of the nation.

Also, why be selective, why not cut relations across the board i.e trade, other sports, etc. You even know the claims the BCCI and the GoI uses are ridiculous, all publicity stunt by the government.

Again why do you persist on bringing in examples of other situations? Stop being insecure and talk about the PCB vs BCCI situation ONLY.

So when the BCCI signed the MoU, was the PCB not linked to the GoP then?

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB can have whatever reason it has to play India, that is the overall point of the sport, to play. Your idea of India not playing Pakistan because of the PCB linked to the government and that India doesn't want the PCB to generate the revenue because it wants to "disadvantage" them, because of GoP support of terrorism. I still don't see how the two are correlated? The PCB comes under the government but has no say in foreign relations/clandestine activities of the nation.

Also, why be selective, why not cut relations across the board i.e trade, other sports, etc. You even know the claims the BCCI and the GoI uses are ridiculous, all publicity stunt by the government.

Again why do you persist on bringing in examples of other situations? Stop being insecure and talk about the PCB vs BCCI situation ONLY.

So when the BCCI signed the MoU, was the PCB not linked to the GoP then?

PCB is deperate for Indian money thats why it wants to play.Else PCB would do the same as it did to ACB or BCB.Stop trying to portray greed as love for sports.

In which sport is Indian national team playing bilateral series with Pakistan?

The GoI was very clear this year when it told the Kabbadi league organisers that Pakistani players wont be allowed.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/indian...kistan-player-picked-at-auction-4668900/lite/

Hockey also has the same situation.

Trade cannot be officially banned because of WTO rules to which India is a signatory.

Where PCB has a say or no say doesnt matter.Its under GoP and a part of it.Also sporting boycott is also a sign of protest.

BCCI says the MOU or the letter also says that series will be played subject to govt. Clearance.

Also have you heard of force majeure in contracts?

 

[Kroll]

I don't think it would be soft for PCB to rise above the bait and take a more humane and diplomatic approach. Afghanistan has suffered a lot and is still suffering. Therefore, increased likelihood to come out with some emotional rhetoric. Bearing in mind, they're unlikely to display the same level of diplomacy and etiquette as other top tier nations, especially the likes of Eng, Aus as even SC teams can be prone to gaffes.

By all means demand an apology. However, I think it's better to engage in dialogue, find out the reasons to establish why some things were said in the heat of the moment and take it from there. As I have said, we should take a mature and rational approach to this issue and I would still like Pakistan to support Afghanistan cricket the best they can. Bridges can be built and mended through sport and now is the time to make that happen.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

PCB is deperate for Indian money thats why it wants to play.Else PCB would do the same as it did to ACB or BCB.Stop trying to portray greed as love for sports.

In which sport is Indian national team playing bilateral series with Pakistan?

The GoI was very clear this year when it told the Kabbadi league organisers that Pakistani players wont be allowed.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/indian...kistan-player-picked-at-auction-4668900/lite/

Hockey also has the same situation.

Trade cannot be officially banned because of WTO rules to which India is a signatory.

Where PCB has a say or no say doesnt matter.Its under GoP and a part of it.Also sporting boycott is also a sign of protest.

BCCI says the MOU or the letter also says that series will be played subject to govt. Clearance.

Also have you heard of force majeure in contracts?

Again, PCB can have whatever reason it wants. Look, you say it's greed, don't see it that way (what is it with you always portraying BCCI and its money). As I have said before take the blindfold off and look at it with an open mind. Both nations playing each other is mutually beneficial, stop trying to spin monetary reasonings behind everything. People watch these matches, the interest of cricket grows. GoI is not using this as a boycott/protest, they are using this as a political stunt.

That is a league, auction to play for teams I'm assuming. I'm talking about the national team. Why is it cricket always takes the hit first? That MoU was signed when relations were just as "bad" as they are today. What changed? Stop giving me the BS, "BCCI says the MOU or the letter also says that series will be played subject to govt. Clearance." this is getting old. You act like the BCCI never knew this "permission" aspect would be required. They signed because of their interests and later backtracked on it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again, PCB can have whatever reason it wants. Look, you say it's greed, don't see it that way (what is it with you always portraying BCCI and its money). As I have said before take the blindfold off and look at it with an open mind. Both nations playing each other is mutually beneficial, stop trying to spin monetary reasonings behind everything. People watch these matches, the interest of cricket grows. GoI is not using this as a boycott/protest, they are using this as a political stunt.

That is a league, auction to play for teams I'm assuming. I'm talking about the national team. Why is it cricket always takes the hit first? That MoU was signed when relations were just as "bad" as they are today. What changed? Stop giving me the BS, "BCCI says the MOU or the letter also says that series will be played subject to govt. Clearance." this is getting old. You act like the BCCI never knew this "permission" aspect would be required. They signed because of their interests and later backtracked on it.

PCBs greed cannot be disguised as genuine sporting concern.

If Indian public wants to watch IndoPak bilateral series they can protest and pressurise the govt.Havent seen that happening.

This is a protest.The boycott.This is on since 2008.

National teams dont play each other either.GOI refused to give visas to Pakistan kabbadi team even for the WC. (A act i disapprove of).

So Cricket Hockey Kabbadi all are suspended.

BCCI always knew they would require the permission thats why they added the clause.PCB accepted it.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

I don't think it would be soft for PCB to rise above the bait and take a more humane and diplomatic approach. Afghanistan has suffered a lot and is still suffering. Therefore, increased likelihood to come out with some emotional rhetoric. Bearing in mind, they're unlikely to display the same level of diplomacy and etiquette as other top tier nations, especially the likes of Eng, Aus as even SC teams can be prone to gaffes.

By all means demand an apology. However, I think it's better to engage in dialogue, find out the reasons to establish why some things were said in the heat of the moment and take it from there. As I have said, we should take a mature and rational approach to this issue and I would still like Pakistan to support Afghanistan cricket the best they can. Bridges can be built and mended through sport and now is the time to make that happen.

They need to mend the bridges not us. Pakistan has done enough.

PCB should cut of all ties wih ACB.

 

[khanz141]

PCB is dependent on the India tour for 60% of its TV revenues hence the desperation.LOL at trying to disguise it as some kind of sporting love by PCB.

Nowhere did i claim PCB supported terrorism.But PCB is part of Pakistani establishment which supports terrorism in india.Thats a reason good enough for the GOI and i dont have any issues with the GOIs decision.


Now come to the original point.BCCI said similar things that ACB did.But PCB didnt have the guts to say anything to.BCCI?Why?

PCB is dependent for 60% of its Revenue from India tour? Since when? In the last 8+ years, PCB has received 0% of that revenue. I wonder how PCB has survived and Thrived without all that 60% lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

With all due respect, this so called "MOU" was signed in 2014.I can give you the entire chronology of PCB chairmans asking India to play with Pakistan since 2009-10.Ijaz Butt, Zaka Ashraf all of them.

PCB did India no favour.Zaka Ashraf was desperate to host a series with India and offered to play a series in India to break the deadlock.Its on the record,his statements.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/pak...oadcasting-rights-for-usd-150-million-1502670

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...ose-usd-85-million-if-it-fails-to-host-india/

60 to 65% of PCB's broadcast revenue is dependent on India touring.

Even before this deal the last deal also had similar clauses and PCB didnt get almost 60% of the money because it didnt host India.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ion-PCB/articleshow_b2/20924153.cms?prtpage=1


I have been here on this forum discussing this topic 5 years before you even came.Please do some research before calling others ignorant.

PCB is dependent for 60% of its Revenue from India tour? Since when? In the last 8+ years, PCB has received 0% of that revenue. I wonder how PCB has survived and Thrived without all that 60% lol

Read.

 

[khanz141]

0% of it in the last 8+ years

 

[khanz141]

PCB could get additional Revenue from India tour, but no way is it dependent on it. Indians can stop living that dream now.

 

[Anwar_194]

Screw ACB and BCB...They bite the hand that fed them.

 

[explayer]

Pcb should insist on public apology and should not play them even after apology. We need to play teams where there is good interest in the series and financialy good for PCB. focus on SA austraila new zealand england bangladesh and westindies. offere zim and ireland matches when a big tam is touring us in UAE.
let india tour afghanistan first and let them send players for afghani t20 league.
we should focus on expanding PSL to eight teams and give it more matches cos thats where money is in future.

 

[explayer]

ACB didn't deserve any importance , PCB should have ignored it. ACB is just following the BCCI's dictation, nothing else.

Exactly! PCB should'nt bother replying back to ACB anymore. Sometimes silence speaks more than words. let them try all other boards to play with them and thats the only thing which will bring them back to earth. just look at bangladesh. they still struggle to get many tests against india australia england Sa so who gona play against afghanistan? Please PCB keep complete silence.