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Is the same thing happening to Babar Azam that happened to Sachin Tendulkar in the '90s?

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During the 90s, Tendulkar was the lone warrior for India scoring bulk of the runs. However, due to the general ineptness of his side, he always ended up on the losing side.

What parallels can be drawn between Tendulkar's performances in the 90s and Babar's performances now? Can anything be learnt from India's woes in the 90s where 1 batsman had to carry the burden of the entire team?
 
What is most fascinating is that Tendulkar use to bat like his life depended on it with no support, then when he started featuring in much better Indian teams he began to play for himself and I found that very suspicious
 
Absurd comparison. Tendulkar of the 90's gave a fear factor to the opposition. Bowlers who wet themselves out of fear what he would do them. This was Tendulkar of the 90's not burdened by the captaincy and just playing as a player alone, getting his wicket was a big deal for the opposition and the bowlers. However from being given the captaincy in 1999 again to playing as a player again, barring that WC Centurion game against Pakistan in 2003 WC, i never feared him again, maybe the emergence of Sehwag made him play differently.

Bottomline Babar Azam does not have any fear factor with the opposition, they know he can be contained and will not really demolish an attack.
 
Tendulkar was class apart Babr is a poor mans trundler when it comes to batting Tend0 had the ability to annihilate bowlers unlike workman Babar
 
In the 90s, get Tendulkar out and win the match. Pakistan have got Fakhar Zaman and Imam Ul Haque, I am more worried about the Pakistani bowlers. They don’t have magicians like Wasim anymore not to mention they are missing aggression which used to come for Shoaib Akhtar.

Batting wise Pakistan has improved but it’s rhe bowling and fielding. Before Pakistan could afford to drop catches as Waqar and Akhtar used to rattle stumps but now Pakistan don’t have legends. Only bowler which I fear from the team is Wahab Riaz
 
Do you think Babar can ever play a knock like Tendulkar's 98 ( 75 ) against Pakistan in Centurion 2003 ?


Or do you think Babar can ever get a Double ton in Odis with his current operational S/R ?

Tendulkar scored a lot of runs at a fast pace and in attacking mode unlike Babar who comes across as a soft batsman.
 
Do you think Babar can ever play a knock like Tendulkar's 98 ( 75 ) against Pakistan in Centurion 2003 ?


Or do you think Babar can ever get a Double ton in Odis with his current operational S/R ?

Tendulkar scored a lot of runs at a fast pace and in attacking mode unlike Babar who comes across as a soft batsman.

How old was Tendulkar in 2003 or when he made the 200??
Don't forget that babar is only 24.
 
Tendulkar was class apart Babr is a poor mans trundler when it comes to batting Tend0 had the ability to annihilate bowlers unlike workman Babar

Baber has been annihilating good fast bowling for last few months. Make no mistakes. Baber has just announced himself and there is more to come.
 
How old was Tendulkar in 2003 or when he made the 200??
Don't forget that babar is only 24.

Tendulkar was 30 years old during the 2003 and 37 Years old when he scored the double ton. Anyway I don't think a batsman would suddenly start batting aggressively when he gets older.

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Here is a Scorecard of an India-New Zealand match in 1994 , Tendulkar scored 82 in 49 balls in that era. Can you imagine Babar batting like this even today? There are many such blistering knocks played by Tendulkar in the Odis.
 
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Do you think Babar can ever play a knock like Tendulkar's 98 ( 75 ) against Pakistan in Centurion 2003 ?


Or do you think Babar can ever get a Double ton in Odis with his current operational S/R ?

Tendulkar scored a lot of runs at a fast pace and in attacking mode unlike Babar who comes across as a soft batsman.


Yes he can.
 
Tendulkar was 30 years old during the 2003 and 37 Years old when he scored the double ton. Anyway I don't think a batsman would suddenly start batting aggressively when he gets older.

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Here is a Scorecard of an India-New Zealand match in 1994 , Tendulkar scored 82 in 49 balls in that era. Can you imagine Babar batting like this even today? There are many such blistering knocks played by Tendulkar in the Odis.

I can imagine him batting like that but he doesn't want to coz of our brittle lineup.
 
This thread has turned into Tendulkar v Babar which is neither the intent nor point of OP.

Definitely Babar is in a similar position with Pakistan depending overbearingly on his ability to hold the innings together. In some ways I think this is mainly responsible for his reluctance to go full throttle. There is always a sense that a collapse is just waiting to happen once he gets out.

It is good that Imam is developing as a another quality anchor player so that pressure on Babar can reduce somewhat and he can express his attacking game more.

Post this WC, Pak should focus on putting a new look middle/lower middle order of hitters to help back up and boost the foundations laid by Babar and Imam
 
Absurd comparison. Tendulkar of the 90's gave a fear factor to the opposition. Bowlers who wet themselves out of fear what he would do them. This was Tendulkar of the 90's not burdened by the captaincy and just playing as a player alone, getting his wicket was a big deal for the opposition and the bowlers. However from being given the captaincy in 1999 again to playing as a player again, barring that WC Centurion game against Pakistan in 2003 WC, i never feared him again, maybe the emergence of Sehwag made him play differently.

Bottomline Babar Azam does not have any fear factor with the opposition, they know he can be contained and will not really demolish an attack.

Tendulkar was class apart Babr is a poor mans trundler when it comes to batting Tend0 had the ability to annihilate bowlers unlike workman Babar

THE POINT being that is the same thing happening to Babar that happened to Tendulkar. This thread is NOT A COMPARISON OF THEIR ABILITIES by any means. The thread is about what could be learnt from team India's woes in the 90s when only tendulkar was firing.
 
Babar scores his runs slow and always gets a ton in run a ball so Pakistan loses matches, Tendulkars India used to lose matches because of lack of support from others but he batted at a good pace.
 
It’s pointless comparing players across different eras - the playing conditions, equipment, laws of the game etc are so different that you as well be comparing different sports.
 
Babar scores his runs slow and always gets a ton in run a ball so Pakistan loses matches, Tendulkars India used to lose matches because of lack of support from others but he batted at a good pace.

Does Babar get support from others? In modern context, i dont think so. Its either Babar or Bust.
 
Tendulkar was 30 years old during the 2003 and 37 Years old when he scored the double ton. Anyway I don't think a batsman would suddenly start batting aggressively when he gets older.

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Here is a Scorecard of an India-New Zealand match in 1994 , Tendulkar scored 82 in 49 balls in that era. Can you imagine Babar batting like this even today? There are many such blistering knocks played by Tendulkar in the Odis.

72 Runs out of 82 on just 17 balls and other ten runs of maybe 7 or 8 balls, so around 24 dot balls in a 49 balls inning seem like a well-calculated inning and not over aggressive he may have got bad balls in abundance which he smashed to boundaries.

These stats are not clarifying at all.
 
72 Runs out of 82 on just 17 balls and other ten runs of maybe 7 or 8 balls, so around 24 dot balls in a 49 balls inning seem like a well-calculated inning and not over aggressive he may have got bad balls in abundance which he smashed to boundaries.

These stats are not clarifying at all.

Every good innings has a significant proportion of dot balls otherwise innings of 32-40 Balls hundred would be common.

Compare his S/R to his other team-mates who might have also got bad balls.

Babar should have got opportunities to play few such innings by now but all he offers is a standard 100 in 100-110 balls which is not enough on 350+ pitches these days . He needs to be more aggressive, take few risks rather than get slow centuries everytime that may lead to a below par target.
 
Absurd comparison. Tendulkar of the 90's gave a fear factor to the opposition. Bowlers who wet themselves out of fear what he would do them. This was Tendulkar of the 90's not burdened by the captaincy and just playing as a player alone, getting his wicket was a big deal for the opposition and the bowlers. However from being given the captaincy in 1999 again to playing as a player again, barring that WC Centurion game against Pakistan in 2003 WC, i never feared him again, maybe the emergence of Sehwag made him play differently.

Bottomline Babar Azam does not have any fear factor with the opposition, they know he can be contained and will not really demolish an attack.

Sensible explanation. Tendulkar's game was at the next level in comparison to other good batsmen of 90's. He was way superior to them. His wicket was one of the most precious one to the bowlers of that era. Any bowler getting hi out used to boast of it.
 
Nah we still have Fakhar when he clicks it's hard for the opposition to when the match and there is also Imam.
 
We wish Babar well.

He is a great talent who just needs to learn the art of balancing out his SR. Rohit Sharma is the classic example to learn from. He starts slow, builds momentum and then goes on full Hulk mode towards the end of his knock to end up on a 120+ SR. This is what mature LOI batsmen generally do. Everyone doesn;t have to start hitting out from beginning like Maxwell or Butler. They are different talents.
 
What is most fascinating is that Tendulkar use to bat like his life depended on it with no support, then when he started featuring in much better Indian teams he began to play for himself and I found that very suspicious

He bagan to Play for Himself is just the myth created by Fans of a particular county obviously because of the stomach pain created by tendulkar.. And inferiority complex that we dont have someone half as good as him..
 
How old was Tendulkar in 2003 or when he made the 200??
Don't forget that babar is only 24.

Do you remembered Tendulkar Desert storm innings in Sharjah..back to back counter attacking hundreds against Australia and New Zealand considered as one of his best..
That was in 1996..Sachin was 24 at that time
 
During the 90s, Tendulkar was the lone warrior for India scoring bulk of the runs. However, due to the general ineptness of his side, he always ended up on the losing side.

What parallels can be drawn between Tendulkar's performances in the 90s and Babar's performances now? Can anything be learnt from India's woes in the 90s where 1 batsman had to carry the burden of the entire team?

Babar Azam cannot score a 140 odd like Tendulkar did in the Sharjah cup vs Australia despite living in an easier era to bat. He is not that caliber of a player. Stats are not everything. Babar plays in an era where batsmen can score at an average of 100 and SR 100+ or 95 in a calendar year.
 
THE POINT being that is the same thing happening to Babar that happened to Tendulkar. This thread is NOT A COMPARISON OF THEIR ABILITIES by any means. The thread is about what could be learnt from team India's woes in the 90s when only tendulkar was firing.

It appears that pretty much everyone missed the point of this thread.

Can we please stop discussing Tendulkar vs Babar? :29:
 
Team is over dependant on Babar and he does a good job.. Pakistan bowling currently seems at par with Indian bowling of 90's.

You can make a case of Fakhar and Imam being two other half decent batsmen and India had Azhar and Siddhu.. Sometimes kambli or jadeja chipped in whom you can compare with hafeez and imad.

So I suppose Babar does have same burden as Sachin even if he doesn't have his abilities.
 
Do you think Babar can ever play a knock like Tendulkar's 98 ( 75 ) against Pakistan in Centurion 2003 ?


Or do you think Babar can ever get a Double ton in Odis with his current operational S/R ?

Tendulkar scored a lot of runs at a fast pace and in attacking mode unlike Babar who comes across as a soft batsman.

Wasn't that because of poor fielding by Razzaq. He dropped a dolly at mid off.
 
Wasn't that because of poor fielding by Razzaq. He dropped a dolly at mid off.

A dropped catch doesn't give power to a batsman to play shots which Sachin played in that innings. He was capable of playing such shots so he did.. Babar is not at that level yet however he still has time to develop the game.
 
This thread has turned into Tendulkar v Babar which is neither the intent nor point of OP.

Definitely Babar is in a similar position with Pakistan depending overbearingly on his ability to hold the innings together. In some ways I think this is mainly responsible for his reluctance to go full throttle. There is always a sense that a collapse is just waiting to happen once he gets out.

It is good that Imam is developing as a another quality anchor player so that pressure on Babar can reduce somewhat and he can express his attacking game more.

Post this WC, Pak should focus on putting a new look middle/lower middle order of hitters to help back up and boost the foundations laid by Babar and Imam

Hafeez and Malik buggering off will help us a lot. Right now they add absolutely nothing to the middle order. After our top 3 our batting ends, really. Get our top 3 out and the batting is done and dusted.
 
Your post epitomises how many PPers keep missing the point.

I like Babar don't get me wrong, as any good willed Pakistan fan would!

However after 4 years since his debut and for a man of his ability, I find it unacceptable he has yet to score a 50+ innings in a winning cause against the top 5 ODI sides (SENAI). It proves his runs don't define the outcome of matches against the best bowling attacks.

Tendulkar played a lot of blinders in losing causes back in the 90s but he did also win a lot of games against superior opposition on his own. First prominent example of this was in the 1992 WC against Pakistan as a teenager, when he top scored for his side with an unbeaten 54*.
 
Absurd comparison really. First of all, Sachin was hailed as a future ATG and the successor to Sunil Gavaskar before he even made his debut. Secondly, Sachin carried the expectations of a billion people. The pressure on Babar is nothing in comparison.
 
It can apply for the LOIs formats, but not Test cricket. Babar Azam is a nothing Test batsman though.
 
Tendulkar was 30 years old during the 2003 and 37 Years old when he scored the double ton. Anyway I don't think a batsman would suddenly start batting aggressively when he gets older.

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Here is a Scorecard of an India-New Zealand match in 1994 , Tendulkar scored 82 in 49 balls in that era. Can you imagine Babar batting like this even today? There are many such blistering knocks played by Tendulkar in the Odis.

Having Azharuddin in the middle order with manjrekar and Kamil is not a weak batting lineup.

Tendulkar can play aggressively at the top with Azharuddin in the middle to take care of any early collapse..

Later they found Dravid. Dravid and Azharuddin in the middle formed a formidable middle order which allowed Ganguly and tendu to flourish at the top.
 
I respectively request people to stop comparing babar to tendulkar or kohli etc. Tendulkar has a proven legacy and kohli pretty much has too, even though he is still an active player. Babar is a world class player and will be one of paks greatest batsman, inshaAllah. Just lets stop putting unnecessary pressure on the young man. Thank you.
 
We should not compare Babar neither with Tendulkar nor with Kohli/Rohit/Gayle/AB. He has neither muscle power nor classic technique like Anwar or Yousuf. For our current standard he is a good batsman. If he tries to play aggressively he will not last not even 20 balls and with our pathetic batting we will not even play 40 overs even in a flat pitch against most of the top teams. Let Babar play in his pace but others have to play little bit aggressive and rotate strike. Our main strength is bowling and we have to fix that.
 
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Not sure why everyone feels that they need to compare these two. The thread is literally asking for something else all together. We all know Tendulkar was a Ferrari Babar is a Toyota today. Might evolve into a Ferrari later on. But the thread is about if he is getting the same treatment as Tendulkar of 90's
 
Well may be but India bowling at least for sub-continent wasn't as bad as what Pakistan has at the moment. Javagal Srinath and Anil Kumble had good ODI careers even when the Indian bowling was struggling. Pakistan bowling now is far worse.
 
Absurd comparison. Tendulkar of the 90's gave a fear factor to the opposition. Bowlers who wet themselves out of fear what he would do them. This was Tendulkar of the 90's not burdened by the captaincy and just playing as a player alone, getting his wicket was a big deal for the opposition and the bowlers. However from being given the captaincy in 1999 again to playing as a player again, barring that WC Centurion game against Pakistan in 2003 WC, i never feared him again, maybe the emergence of Sehwag made him play differently.

Bottomline Babar Azam does not have any fear factor with the opposition, they know he can be contained and will not really demolish an attack.

Exactly, opponents know that it's no big deal to win a game when Babar Azam or Imam-ul-Haq performs. They would be very worried about a day when Fakhar Zaman or Asif Ali performs.
 
Every good innings has a significant proportion of dot balls otherwise innings of 32-40 Balls hundred would be common.

Compare his S/R to his other team-mates who might have also got bad balls.

Babar should have got opportunities to play few such innings by now but all he offers is a standard 100 in 100-110 balls which is not enough on 350+ pitches these days . He needs to be more aggressive, take few risks rather than get slow centuries everytime that may lead to a below par target.

Yes, a few dot balls but here we have 40-45 percent dot balls he could have scored much more if not for them my point is these statistics are not capable of telling the whole story with Babar.

I will clarify that no, I don't compare him to Sachin either.
 
Pakistan's Virat Kohli/Sachin Tendulkar needs to step up and have a good world cup.

I have no doubt that he will.
 
Tendulkar was 30 years old during the 2003 and 37 Years old when he scored the double ton. Anyway I don't think a batsman would suddenly start batting aggressively when he gets older.

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Here is a Scorecard of an India-New Zealand match in 1994 , Tendulkar scored 82 in 49 balls in that era. Can you imagine Babar batting like this even today? There are many such blistering knocks played by Tendulkar in the Odis.

I remember watching that match live. FOr the first time vern Sachin opened the innings. That was due to Sidhu's injury. A small total he went berserk. it was 2 AM in India. We were glued to the TV. Just obliterated their bowling. Tendulkar 20 year old i think.
 
Babar should be doing a lot more with the bat as a lone warrior to come into the level of comparison with Tendulkar, who was not just a lone warrior but the very best bat in the world.
 
Sachin would not have played that shot that Babar did yesterday. Sachin carriee India in the 90s and won games on his own. Babar isn't doing the same thing.
 
I hope this thread is about situation Babar finds himself than comparing Tendulkar of 90s. Sachin was scary from mid to late 90s. He was demolishing best attacks in the world. The workload was shared in 2000s with emergence of youth
 
Tendulkar used to demolish bowling attacks in the 90’s. He played at an SR of 86 back then, when other good players played at an SR in the 60’s and early 70’s.
 
Do you see spirit of Tendulkar in the 1999s in Babar Azam today

A one man army and a genius.

As an Indian and a life long Sachinist, it's an amazing experience watching Bobby's journey in cricket. Slowly but substantially rising up the charts!
 
Although I do still rate him and he has fared much better than everyone else on tour. I still think that a good comparison would be when the game is alive and the Australians aren't ahead by over 400
 
A one man army and a genius.

As an Indian and a life long Sachinist, it's an amazing experience watching Bobby's journey in cricket. Slowly but substantially rising up the charts!

so you are telling me Indian batting was this bad in the 90s? Surely Tendulker must have had some good partners unlike Baber.
 
Tendulkar had a strike rate of 87 in the 1990s. Babar Azam has a strike rate of 87 in the 2010s.

Fair comparison.
 
Tendulkar had a strike rate of 87 in the 1990s. Babar Azam has a strike rate of 87 in the 2010s.

Fair comparison.

Babar used to be quite slow and still isn't the fastest but is still improving. He used to have a SR of under 85 in 2017 and now has 87 so isn't too bad.
 
Babar is good but come on.......

The Babar hype machine is something else. I’m surprised no one has compared him to Brian Lara or Don Bradman yet.
 
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Babar Azam has lapses in concentration too many times. He is the best we have right now but he is being over hyped because everyone else is just garbage right now
 
Babar is good but come on.......

The Babar hype machine is something else. I’m surprised no one has compared him to Brian Lara or Don Bradman yet.

Don't get so gassed.
No one's comparing Tendulkar the player to Babar.
The OP is comparing their circumstances
 
Back then as soon as Tendulkar got out many would switch off the TV. Do you guys do that when Babar gets out?
 
False comparison

Tendulkar has had decent support throughout his career in terms of batting

On debut he had manjrekar sidhu shastri azar - not the greatest but it was decent
Kambli was a decent odi bat too

Between 92-96 there was a lull . Sidhu azar were still there but other batters were tried
96 came ganguly and dravid . Don’t think India ever had a lull in batsmen since then

Think none in current lineup are even azar class.

The bowling comparison is better - India had poor bowling until kumble came in 92 and with sreenath in the mix since 1993 Indian bowling was ok abroad never threatening but won’t allow bunny warner to make 300!
 
Yes with two new balls , heavier bats , shorter boundaries and reverse sweeps and helicopter shots - avg score in 90s was about 220 -230 now 300 is a loosing total
Sr of 87 is like 100 today
And 87 today is like 70 s then
 
The bowling comparison is better - India had poor bowling until kumble came in 92 and with sreenath in the mix since 1993 Indian bowling was ok abroad never threatening but won’t allow bunny warner to make 300!
We would allow Brendon McCullum to score a triple though.
 
False comparison

Tendulkar has had decent support throughout his career in terms of batting

On debut he had manjrekar sidhu shastri azar - not the greatest but it was decent
Kambli was a decent odi bat too

Between 92-96 there was a lull . Sidhu azar were still there but other batters were tried
96 came ganguly and dravid . Don’t think India ever had a lull in batsmen since then

Think none in current lineup are even azar class.

The bowling comparison is better - India had poor bowling until kumble came in 92 and with sreenath in the mix since 1993 Indian bowling was ok abroad never threatening but won’t allow bunny warner to make 300!

rofl. Bowling should not even be talked about. Current indian bowling attack is the best in the world and leagues above 90s india and one of the best in the post 2000 era.

Current batting unit is very good. They are severely underrated because of fans like you who live in nostalgia. this team is a complete well balanced world class phenomenal side. They will go down as one of the greatest teams of all time.
 
Again as Australia felt their was a slight chance Pakistan would make them bat in the 4th innings, Babar got out early. Although he is still a very good player he can't afford to have lapses in concentration like this.
 
Uncanny similarities.

Nature, style of play, level of batting class, captaincy issues, mediocre players around him.

As a life long Sachinist, I wish Babar well.
 
Sachin Tendulkar is a once in a lifetime player, Babar is a player on the up, a good player, easy on the eye and also very determined. Tendulkar had the likes of Azhar around him in his early days, and later David, Ganguly, Laxman and Sehwag. Babar has old has beens or never weres around him
 
Sachin Tendulkar is a once in a lifetime player, Babar is a player on the up, a good player, easy on the eye and also very determined. Tendulkar had the likes of Azhar around him in his early days, and later David, Ganguly, Laxman and Sehwag. Babar has old has beens or never weres around him

Bro, I am a big fan of Azhar bhai but trust me he was very unfair with Sachin as a senior and never left an opportunity to undermine him. Other Indians might wanna validate this claim by me but I remember that part only.

Dravid is a gem of a.person though. The sun started shining on us when he arrived along with Ganguly.

Ganguly was the bad guy we so badly wanted, some one who would shut the ex cricketers and seniors up amd start his own revolution. It would never have been Sachin, he didn't have that ruthless attitude. Just a nice hard working bloke with team and opponents. Ganguly was mean, unlikeable :)) You need nasty characters for certain jobs. Arjuna, Ganguly, Nasser were those people to their countries.
 
The West Indies tour in 1997-98? I guess when we failed to chase 120 runs, that's when I really lost respect for the players in our team. Only Sachin was a world class player in that batting group. All else were losers .

1999 Chennai,same story,everyone just fell apart, no resistance to Pakistani bowlers.
 
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