Is the same thing happening to Babar Azam that happened to Sachin Tendulkar in the '90s?

[Bhaijaan]

What is most fascinating is that Tendulkar use to bat like his life depended on it with no support, then when he started featuring in much better Indian teams he began to play for himself and I found that very suspicious

He was physically not the same player for much of 2000s until modern day diet and training helped he recover to some extent during his 2007-2019 renaissance.

For a notoriously short batsman, Tendulkar was actually a powerful puncher of the ball in the 1990s. We saw the decline in 2000s after Tennis elbow, it was a serious injury issue.

Was smart to go back to basics and still be relevant with his contributions when the power game was leaving him. That's what defines greatness.

Babar Azam also generates a lot of force in his shots. He has the pote tial to take his LOI game to the next level and I hope he does. It would be amazing. Him taking down Steyn was a great sight for me.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

So who is our Ganguly and who will be our Dravid?

 

[Bhaijaan]

So who is our Ganguly and who will be our Dravid?

Ideally speaking, Imam ul Haq really needed to step up big time.

He's from a family that's been around and seen things up close in Cricket. Speaks English, looks confident and from what I gather him and Babar are also very good friends, probably best friends?

Nothing could go more right for Pakistan in batting right now than Imam ul Haq rising to the challenge and playing second fiddle to Babar Azam for 10 years.

Also Harris Sohail?

These few names, they need to really bring their game to the next level.and not let Babar Azam lose this battle as a loner

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistan have neen shockingly unlucky in batting. In Umar Amin, Umar Akmal, Sami Aslam, Harris Sohail, Shan Masood, Imam ul Haq they have had young batsmen with pote tial but only Babar Azam made it. Really frustrating stuff.

 

[Bewal Express]

So who is our Ganguly and who will be our Dravid?

Babar is our most talented bat to emerge since MY. At this point he has avoided the controversy and focussed on his cricket, which is why the captaincy worries me because if he is demoted from the captaincy of the T20, he will be hurt and that becomes a sore point. Babar should not be the T20 captain for his performance and sanity. I would make him ODI and test captain.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Babar is our most talented bat to emerge since MY. At this point he has avoided the controversy and focussed on his cricket, which is why the captaincy worries me because if he is demoted from the captaincy of the T20, he will be hurt and that becomes a sore point. Babar should not be the T20 captain for his performance and sanity. I would make him ODI and test captain.

And the conflict is if the captaincy goes to another batsman, it kind of undermines Babar's authority a bit.

Rizwan could hold the answers to a few of these concerns but nothing comes free and he must step up big time if people are even thinking of him in a leadership role.

It's got to be earned.

Any chance for Shadab, Imad type ARs? Given the bowlers are too young to be captains

 

[Bhaijaan]

Could Shaheen Shah ne groomed a leader? The kid definitely oozes charm. He's tall, smart, talented, no idea about communication skills though.

 

[Bewal Express]

And the conflict is if the captaincy goes to another batsman, it kind of undermines Babar's authority a bit.

Rizwan could hold the answers to a few of these concerns but nothing comes free and he must step up big time if people are even thinking of him in a leadership role.

It's got to be earned.

Any chance for Shadab, Imad type ARs? Given the bowlers are too young to be captains

The problem is that all the other guys are pretty mediocre players and dont command the respect needed to lead the team. Shadab would make a decent captain but his bowling is going backwards faster than an Italian warship in a war, Imad is too one dimensional and the less said about the others the better. Rizwan needs to score Important runs and quickly and he may be in for a shout.

 

[Bewal Express]

Could Shaheen Shah ne groomed a leader? The kid definitely oozes charm. He's tall, smart, talented, no idea about communication skills though.

No chance.

 

[sweep_shot]

Babar and Tendulkar have same personality. Both love to stay behind the scenes.

It is a good thing but can be a bad thing when it comes to captaincy.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Ideally speaking, Imam ul Haq really needed to step up big time.

He's from a family that's been around and seen things up close in Cricket. Speaks English, looks confident and from what I gather him and Babar are also very good friends, probably best friends?

Nothing could go more right for Pakistan in batting right now than Imam ul Haq rising to the challenge and playing second fiddle to Babar Azam for 10 years.

Also Harris Sohail?

These few names, they need to really bring their game to the next level.and not let Babar Azam lose this battle as a loner

Haris Sohail is really frustrating bro. Lazy and fitness issues. Yes he can hit the ball well and play strokes but he is not a captain. Nor should he even be persisted with as a batsman given his attitude as it will result in another geriatric in 2 years.

Imam needs to play some good pressure knocks because right now he doesn’t have the respect of the team. He isn’t even a confirmed starter in T20 or Tests, only ODIs for now.

And the conflict is if the captaincy goes to another batsman, it kind of undermines Babar's authority a bit.

Rizwan could hold the answers to a few of these concerns but nothing comes free and he must step up big time if people are even thinking of him in a leadership role.

It's got to be earned.

Any chance for Shadab, Imad type ARs? Given the bowlers are too young to be captains

Like you said, Rizwan needs to earn it. Shadab can feasibly be made T20 captain but Imad always gives the impression that he’s hanging onto his spot by a thread. The day he loses his brilliant powerplay economy rate, is the day he loses his spot in the team. Even yesterday he was assaulted by Banton and Bairstow.

Shadab is the only one who can feasibly be made captain. He oozes leadership and charisma, the ability to absorb pressure, and rejuvenate a team with his fielding and batting. He should be made vice-captain immediately and captain within the year.

Babar should be given ODI captaincy and when Azhar Ali retires should get Test captaincy. Then make Shadab ODI captain in a few years if he has been able to a) perform as a batsman b) bring his regressing bowling on track and c) show leadership as T20 captain.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Wondering when did Imam went out of favour because around an year and a half back I thought he was really rising in that team.

 

[Mueez]

Wondering when did Imam went out of favour because around an year and a half back I thought he was really rising in that team.

I agree. Imam has been treated unfairly. Needs a longer run.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Shadab Khan looks like a captaincy material but it's too early to put the burden on him.

 

[unemployedgm]

Wondering when did Imam went out of favour because around an year and a half back I thought he was really rising in that team.

Imam scored runs In 50 over cricket. His test performances are awful. Should be play test matches based on those numbers? Same with t20?

 

[Bhaijaan]

What Babar is short of is a couple BIG knocks. Once he hits them, the confidence will be back.

If we look at Kohli, the two knocks he played, one against Sri Lanka where he murdered Mallinga chasing 350 in like 40 overs and the one knock he played against Pakistan, 183 something where he murdered Wahab Riaz, that's what really helped him get to the next level and break barriers.

Ponting, Sachin, all big players breached that barrier with note worthy knocks

 

[Indiafan]

What is most fascinating is that Tendulkar use to bat like his life depended on it with no support, then when he started featuring in much better Indian teams he began to play for himself and I found that very suspicious

Facts dont support this, he got better with age, his strike rate improved and he won much more matches. He became more effective when he cut off his too much attacking instincts but people didnt like that. Also injuries caused him to change his style

Yet he was more effective and won more matches later than before

 

[BreadPakoda]

Shadab Khan looks like a captaincy material but it's too early to put the burden on him.

You endlessly rant against Hardik and see Shadab as captaincy material. Wah!

 

[Thunderbolt14]

You endlessly rant against Hardik and see Shadab as captaincy material. Wah!

Hardik isn’t surrounded by buffoons

 

[Bhaijaan]

You endlessly rant against Hardik and see Shadab as captaincy material. Wah!

What am i hearing Veeru. This is blasphemous.

 

[Mamoon]

Maybe but on a very small scale.

Tendulkar was vastly superior to Babar and the early 90’s India was mediocre but still better than the current Pakistan team.

 

[shaz619]

He was physically not the same player for much of 2000s until modern day diet and training helped he recover to some extent during his 2007-2019 renaissance.

For a notoriously short batsman, Tendulkar was actually a powerful puncher of the ball in the 1990s. We saw the decline in 2000s after Tennis elbow, it was a serious injury issue.

Was smart to go back to basics and still be relevant with his contributions when the power game was leaving him. That's what defines greatness.

Babar Azam also generates a lot of force in his shots. He has the pote tial to take his LOI game to the next level and I hope he does. It would be amazing. Him taking down Steyn was a great sight for me.

Facts dont support this, he got better with age, his strike rate improved and he won much more matches. He became more effective when he cut off his too much attacking instincts but people didnt like that. Also injuries caused him to change his style

Yet he was more effective and won more matches later than before

From the shear POV of having played so many games, the numbers in that regard will support Tendulkar just as they do for Shahid Afridi in the limited forms but at the Test Level Younis Khan was a much bigger match winner then Tendulkar, clearly vindicated by his record breaking performances in the 4th innings of a Test and having won almost the same number of MOM awards despite playing almost 50% fewer games. I think that the bigger Tendulkar got, the more he was exposed and the desire to put his country before his own desires got weaker with all the sponsorship etc

 

[King_Kohli]

Hardik isn’t surrounded by buffoons

Hardik himself is a buffoon.
Let him stick to IPL.

 

[Indiafan]

From the shear POV of having played so many games, the numbers in that regard will support Tendulkar just as they do for Shahid Afridi in the limited forms but at the Test Level Younis Khan was a much bigger match winner then Tendulkar, clearly vindicated by his record breaking performances in the 4th innings of a Test and having won almost the same number of MOM awards despite playing almost 50% fewer games. I think that the bigger Tendulkar got, the more he was exposed and the desire to put his country before his own desires got weaker with all the sponsorship etc

Come you cannot have it both ways, you keeps saying how pakistans bowling is much better than india for long and then saying that made no difference between victories and draws

I am just making an objective statement that sachins win% increased in the later stages when he got bigger. Which is contrary ti your claim

At the age of 37 he took india to no 1 in tests, avaraging 70 in an year, mostly overseas and winning matches

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Haha,man of the match awards..yet another useless filter.
Ashwin has the same man of the series awards as Wasim Akram in 16 less series.
I will repeat ,Younis Khan has a total of 5 centuries in SENA kohli has 6 in Australia alone.
Younis belongs in the same tier as Mahela,Sehwag,inzi clearly two levels below sachin and a level below kohli.

 

[shaz619]

Come you cannot have it both ways, you keeps saying how pakistans bowling is much better than india for long and then saying that made no difference between victories and draws

I am just making an objective statement that sachins win% increased in the later stages when he got bigger. Which is contrary ti your claim

At the age of 37 he took india to no 1 in tests, avaraging 70 in an year, mostly overseas and winning matches

What is that win % based on how influential was he in those games ? what is his record like in the 4th innings.

Attributing that to one man alone is a sign of a player who has too many worshipers

 

[shaz619]

Even Marcus Trescothick is a bettter batsman then VK and about on par with Sunil Gavaskar

 

[Bhaijaan]

From the shear POV of having played so many games, the numbers in that regard will support Tendulkar just as they do for Shahid Afridi in the limited forms but at the Test Level Younis Khan was a much bigger match winner then Tendulkar, clearly vindicated by his record breaking performances in the 4th innings of a Test and having won almost the same number of MOM awards despite playing almost 50% fewer games. I think that the bigger Tendulkar got, the more he was exposed and the desire to put his country before his own desires got weaker with all the sponsorship etc

That's your opinion

Tendulkar consistently makes ATG XI of most ex cricketers, analysts, neutral fans in BOTH formats that he played. That's a testament to where he stands.

On the contrary, I would be really struggling to find Younis in these teams. So, although you're entitled to your opinion, it clearly isn't something the overwhelming majority believes in. It's like someone calling Tim Duncan the goat.

To be frank, Tendulkar's legacy was cemented by the end of 1990s alone when he was being hailed as greatest since Bradman. If he was forced to retire in 2000, he would still be remembered as among the Top 2-5 ever based on 9000 test runs @56.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Even Marcus Trescothick is a bettter batsman then VK and about on par with Sunil Gavaskar

We were waiting for the punch line. Thanks

 

[shaz619]

That's your opinion

Tendulkar consistently makes ATG XI of most ex cricketers, analysts, neutral fans in BOTH formats that he played. That's a testament to where he stands.

On the contrary, I would be really struggling to find Younis in these teams. So, although you're entitled to your opinion, it clearly isn't something the overwhelming majority believes in. It's like someone calling Tim Duncan the goat.

To be frank, Tendulkar's legacy was cemented by the end of 1990s alone when he was being hailed as greatest since Bradman. If he was forced to retire in 2000, he would still be remembered as among the Top 2-5 ever based on 9000 test runs @56.

We were waiting for the punch line. Thanks

I like the new name for our kaptaan. Virat Kuckli.

Test batting average outside Asia -

Virat Kohli - 44

Younis khan - 39

Test batting average in SAF, Aus, NZ and Eng-

Virat Kohli - 47

Younis khan - 43




There's a good chance Younis will be Kohli's pet by the time latter is done.

To add more

As a captain -
YK won 1 test out of 9 tests
VK won 33 tests out of 55.

Younis Khan

Test Matches
115

Man of the Match Awards
10

Match winning Ratio
0.0869

Sachin Tendulkar

Test Matches
200

Man of the Match Awards
14

Matching winning Ratio
0.07

Conclusion

If we multiply Younis Khan's match winning ratio by 200 games (the number of Tests Sachin has played) then the number of "Man of the Match" awards would equal to 17.39. On the other hand, it took Sachin Tendulkar roughly 112 Test matches to achieve the same number of MOM awards as Khan. And when you also factor in Sachin's lower MOM award ratio we can confirm without a doubt that Younis Khan is a bigger match winner then Sachin Tendulkar, the legends are indeed true with regards to Sachin's lack of making an impact and scoring runs in soft situations mostly.

To add to this, YK averages more then Sachin in games won for his country!

#Facts

 

[MenInG]

Stop posting nonsense.

Lots of posts deleted.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Sachin was a monster of a player in the 90's. One of the greatest to have ever played the game.

 

[Hitman]

That's your opinion

Tendulkar consistently makes ATG XI of most ex cricketers, analysts, neutral fans in BOTH formats that he played. That's a testament to where he stands.

On the contrary, I would be really struggling to find Younis in these teams. So, although you're entitled to your opinion, it clearly isn't something the overwhelming majority believes in. It's like someone calling Tim Duncan the goat.

To be frank, Tendulkar's legacy was cemented by the end of 1990s alone when he was being hailed as greatest since Bradman. If he was forced to retire in 2000, he would still be remembered as among the Top 2-5 ever based on 9000 test runs @56.

Tendulkar made it to Wisden and Cricinfo's All Time XI. Younis Khan couldn't even make it to Cricinfo's Test XI of the last 20 years.

 

[tyron_woodley]

babar is better than younis khan already. He is that good. But younis is still a not close to sacchhu and I don't even like sacchhu.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Not again..

 

[Jazx]

90s tendulkar have ganguly, azhar and dravid with him. He was representing a far better team than the current Pakistan team.

 

[umerz]

One thing common is the fact that both used to play for mediocre teams and I never understood the criticism of Pakistani fans when SRT scored hundred and India lost. Classic example is 3rd ODI of Pak vs Eng. Then i remember Lara playing a series against SL in SL and scoring 688 in 3 test matches but losing all. Cricket is a team game and until and unless others contribute highly unlikely that one person can win all on his own

 

[Bhaijaan]

One thing common is the fact that both used to play for mediocre teams and I never understood the criticism of Pakistani fans when SRT scored hundred and India lost. Classic example is 3rd ODI of Pak vs Eng. Then i remember Lara playing a series against SL in SL and scoring 688 in 3 test matches but losing all. Cricket is a team game and until and unless others contribute highly unlikely that one person can win all on his own

Thank you.

Pakistani fans are bit slow in understanding batting but we are glad Babar Azam is educating them about it.

Having said that, ironically Sachin played more carefree in the 1990s than in 2000s when help came. A lot of it down to fitness issues, ageing etc too but anyway Sachin was quite aggressive early on.

Babar Azam has made visible improvements in this regard. In South Africa he played aggressive and now in England he has had ine good knock.

He needs to keep pushing the envelope, he is capable of becoming a better batsman than this.

160 scored in 2021 should help your team to 370+

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Huh, he is nowhere near 90s Sachin. Lol.
Sachin avgd 48 with 88 str rate in the 90s, Azam needs to improve his strike rate by 15 points and maintain his current average to come anywhere close to Sachin, just because he scores runs doesn't mean he is as good as Sachin.
Loi batting these days isn't just about how much you score, it's more about how fast you score.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Huh, he is nowhere near 90s Sachin. Lol.
Sachin avgd 48 with 88 str rate in the 90s, Azam needs to improve his strike rate by 15 points and maintain his current average to come anywhere close to Sachin, just because he scores runs doesn't mean he is as good as Sachin.
Loi batting these days isn't just about how much you score, it's more about how fast you score.

Completely.

White-ball cricket has become about maximizing the output of each delivery, each over, and each bowler.

England were amazing in that ODI series because they knew that once we're on the back foot, we tend to give up, and that's exactly what happened.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Huh, he is nowhere near 90s Sachin. Lol.
Sachin avgd 48 with 88 str rate in the 90s, Azam needs to improve his strike rate by 15 points and maintain his current average to come anywhere close to Sachin, just because he scores runs doesn't mean he is as good as Sachin.
Loi batting these days isn't just about how much you score, it's more about how fast you score.

Comparison isn't about whether they are similar talent level batsmen. Comparison is in the helpless situation they have found themselves in.

Babar Azam would have a superior win% as a cricketer if he played for England or India, both of whom would take him in a heart beat.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Lone warrior.

Lone wolf.

Always no support at the other end.

 

[Sachin fan]

Sachin never stopped trying to win the match even when he was alone. Sachin was a very agressive batsmen in the 90s, before his injuries. Babar never seems to have intention to win.

 

[umerz]

Yes, in a manner of speaking. Babar is scoring runs, but unlike the impactful innings sometimes missing from Tendulkar's '90s performances, Babar's runs often feel less game-changing.

 

[Monday Morning]

Babar is a rich man's Brendan Taylor. He's an above-average player in a below-average team.

Taylor made his team's losses less embarassing. Tendulkar gave his team a fighting chance as long as he was at the crease. Big difference between the two.

Babar is no Sachin, except they have the same strike rate in ODIs (despite playing two decades apart).

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar is a rich man's Brendan Taylor. He's an above-average player in a below-average team.

Taylor made his team's losses less embarassing. Tendulkar gave his team a fighting chance as long as he was at the crease. Big difference between the two.

Babar is no Sachin, except they have the same strike rate in ODIs (despite playing two decades apart).

Brendon Taylor was the greatest player ever produced by Zimbabwe while babar isn't even the greatest player in his current unit.

Fakhar and saim on current form are better then him and in odi fakhar has always been > Babar as a batsmen.

In test cricket babar is so poor that someone like shan masood has consistently outperformed him since he became captain. Shan since becoming captain has been avg 33-37 while babar has been avg in the lower 20's.

Infact babar has been avg that no ever since ramiz raja vacated the chairman spot. I can confidently say that even know shan, Saud, and a few others are clearly not the gold standard for test batters, they are > him on current form.

In t20 cricket it depends. Records wise yes, current form wise no.

Again key word is current form.

you gotta stop living in 2019. Babar on current form isn’t > Agha, Fakhar or saim even if he managed to outperform agha on this tour.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sachin never stopped trying to win the match even when he was alone. Sachin was a very agressive batsmen in the 90s, before his injuries. Babar never seems to have intention to win.

This thread is so weird? Ik it was made back when babar was in form and in his prime but even then it would have been incorrect.

Back then Pakistan had malik, Haris sohail, Hafeez, Fakhar, Sarfaraz and imad. And while these batters are okayish, their far far superior to Abdullah, Tayyab, Rizwan, Niazi and many others in the set up.

So i don't get the point? Pakistan was just stronger under sarfi. 2017-2019 despite being avg teams whoops 2025 Pakistan 5-0 in an odi series.

Secondly even if this thread was accurate, the same logic can go from pretty much anyone? You could literally apply this logic to Sachin and Misbah .

What an insult to Sachin .

My only issue with sachin is his fans overglorfying him to God status as sachin isn't leagues > the batters in his era.

Don't get me wrong he's > them, but he's not so far > that their footnotes.

Only bradman achieved it in his era, and malcolm marshall in his. Otherwise they've all have had some competiton.

 

[Fanboy375]

There is a possibility that Babar is in his mid 30s because he played 2011 u19 world cup where his official age was 15 which is weird.He is passed his prime now

 

[Fanboy375]

Comparison isn't about whether they are similar talent level batsmen. Comparison is in the helpless situation they have found themselves in.

Babar Azam would have a superior win% as a cricketer if he played for England or India, both of whom would take him in a heart beat.

90s Ind wasn't a lunatic team.During that time there W/L was 1 in ODI which is same as WI and above Eng.Only SA,Aus and Pak was above them.Late 90s SL was better than Ind but WI was below them.Ind batsman were above average but their bowling unit was their downside.

 

[Fanboy375]

You could literally apply this logic to Sachin and Misbah

Or Lara,Shakib or Hadlee

 

[Bhaijaan]

Brendon Taylor was the greatest player ever produced by Zimbabwe while babar isn't even the greatest player in his current unit

Might wanna correct yourself there brother because a certain Andy Flower was a phenomenal player

 

[mominsaigol]

Might wanna correct yourself there brother because a certain Andy Flower was a phenomenal player

Sorry, Top 5 greatest Zimbabwe players ever produced

 

[jamie smith fan]

Sorry, Top 5 greatest Zimbabwe players ever produced

Greatest Zimbabwe players

Andy flower
Health Streak
Brendon Taylor
Taibu
Sean Williams

 

[Vikram1989]

Greatest Zimbabwe players

Andy flower
Health Streak
Brendon Taylor
Taibu
Sean Williams

Neil Johnson
Murray Goodwin
Alistar Campbell

Honourable Mention
Grant Flower


Above are much better than bottom 3.

 

[uppercut]

Huh, he is nowhere near 90s Sachin. Lol.
Sachin avgd 48 with 88 str rate in the 90s, Azam needs to improve his strike rate by 15 points and maintain his current average to come anywhere close to Sachin, just because he scores runs doesn't mean he is as good as Sachin.
Loi batting these days isn't just about how much you score, it's more about how fast you score.

As an opener in the 90s his record is even better .... 6270 runs at a Avg of 48.60 and a S/r of 91.43 with 23 hundreds and 27 50s in a ERA where plenty of ODI cricket used to be played with the RED SG Test ball in India.

Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

He was very unlucky to have not made a 200 in the 90s itself. Especially that 186* vs NZ where they bowled some very good last over or two. Sensational innings. There is just absolutely nothing like watching SRT bat when in full flow. Surreal experience.

@Hitman

 

[BouncerGuy]

There is no comparison. There never was 1 to begin with.

Move on from these comparison that make no sense... Babar has no sehwag or ganguly or dravid or yuvraj or dhoni beside him tbh... This Indian team was a GOAT and sachin is on top there.

 

[ufcfan]

90s Ind wasn't a lunatic team.During that time there W/L was 1 in ODI which is same as WI and above Eng.Only SA,Aus and Pak was above them.Late 90s SL was better than Ind but WI was below them.Ind batsman were above average but their bowling unit was their downside.

You seems to have no knowledge about the history of the game,the 90s Indian team will beat this Pak side anywhere ,anyday,any series
These batsmen aren't capable of even reading simple spinners ,you really think they would be able to guard their legs and stumps against a raging Kumble,Srinath or the poor present pakistani attack can storm Tendulkar,Ganguly or Dravid or even Azhar
90s team didn't even loose a series at home for a long long time

 

[mominsaigol]

There is no comparison. There never was 1 to begin with.

Move on from these comparison that make no sense... Babar has no sehwag or ganguly or dravid or yuvraj or dhoni beside him tbh... This Indian team was a GOAT and sachin is on top there.

That's still an excuse.

This comparison would make sense if this was fakhar, aka a player who pretty much masked how weak Pakistan truly was without him since while fakhar is viewed as inconsistent

If you look at his avg ratio of games performed, he literally has performed 1 in every 3 international odi games for pakistan making his super consistent in the odi format.

Babar doesn't mask anything, he's the same tier of crap atm. This isn't 2019 babar. On current form Kamran Ghulam is slightly better then Bobby is, and Agha is significantly better while fakhar and saim assuming their at full fitness, are leagues > Babar.

Infact Fakhar in any era excluding injuries is > any era Bobby in odi cricket.

Babar on current form is still > Rizwan, Tayyab, Niazi, Abdullah, Imam and Saud(in odi) that much i agree on.

The whole inconsistent fakhar thing comes from t20 and for some reason people like to equate both formats while evaluating fakhar zaman.

It's his consistency in odi that truly masked how weak Pakistan was which got brutally exposed during the early stages of wc 2023 and CT 2025.

In the same way saim ayub masked how weak Pakistan was in aus and SA series. Since he's literally performed 4x in 9 odi games. And each performance being a solid knock.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

In the last 5 years, Pakistan Cricket:
T20I
With Babar W/L : 47 wins 36 losses Batting average: 25.9 RR: 8.24
without Babar: 6 wins 11 losses batting average: 19.68 RR 7.62

not enough sample for tests and ODIs as he has skipped only one series in ODIs and 4 tests in total.

Please remove Babar, it will just be more schadenfreude time for us

Sachin had a far greater impact and carried India on his own for faaaar faar longer.

 

[BouncerGuy]

That's still an excuse.

This comparison would make sense if this was fakhar, aka a player who pretty much masked how weak Pakistan truly was without him since while fakhar is viewed as inconsistent

If you look at his avg ratio of games performed, he literally has performed 1 in every 3 international odi games for pakistan making his super consistent in the odi format.

Babar doesn't mask anything, he's the same tier of crap atm. This isn't 2019 babar. On current form Kamran Ghulam is slightly better then Bobby is, and Agha is significantly better while fakhar and saim assuming their at full fitness, are leagues > Babar.

Infact Fakhar in any era excluding injuries is > any era Bobby in odi cricket.

Babar on current form is still > Rizwan, Tayyab, Niazi, Abdullah, Imam and Saud(in odi) that much i agree on.

The whole inconsistent fakhar thing comes from t20 and for some reason people like to equate both formats while evaluating fakhar zaman.

It's his consistency in odi that truly masked how weak Pakistan was which got brutally exposed during the early stages of wc 2023 and CT 2025.

In the same way saim ayub masked how weak Pakistan was in aus and SA series. Since he's literally performed 4x in 9 odi games. And each performance being a solid knock.

I dont think that you can develop a team without having some experienced guy around them... Babar is still your one of the top 3 guys in ODIs. He is not scoring centuries, that is his only problem atm. But he is scoring runs much better than most of the guys in the team...