Is there anything stopping England from winning the 2017 CT and the 2019 WC?

[KhalidRafi]

England's rapid rise from a mediocre limited-overs side to one of the Top 3-4 one-day teams is one of the most radical changes I've seen any team go through during my time watching cricket. They have the most destructive batting line-up in the world in which nearly every player is a clutch player and one that has the potential to put up 350+ totals on any pitch in the world. I mean, players like Bairstow and Billings are struggling to get a game. Not to forget, their bowling attack is pretty good too.

And with both these tournaments being played in their backyard, it's hard for me to see a situation where England don't end up winning both trophies. South Africa could prove to be the toughest competitors assuming they don't choke. India will be very competitive but I think England are generally a better one day side than them. Australia is selecting sloggers in their batting line-up but I expect their seamers to be more than a handful.

They also probably have the best preparation going into the CT with a 2 match series against Ireland, a 3 match series against South Africa and 2 warm-up games.

Start the Car!

 

[Executioner]

Yes their own bowling attack which is bang average. An excellent batting side but on good wickets they will struggle.

 

[Olympian]

Pakistan will stop them.. will crush their fast bowlers with massive sixes. will bat sensibly and knock them out of tournaments

 

[Citizen4]

They are the biggest chokers in the history of cricket.

 

[Bilal7]

Let's hope they don't have to meet Pakistan until the finals. The cornered tigers have finally woken up...

 

[KhalidRafi]

Yes their own bowling attack which is bang average. An excellent batting side but on good wickets they will struggle.

Their bowling attack is pretty good and full of talented bowlers who will only get better in the upcoming 2 years. The good thing is that they're focusing on a selected crop of seamers: Woakes, Plunkett, Ball, Wood, Wiley and giving them consistent runs -- I hope Reece Topley finds his way back into that group aswell -- As opposed to other teams who bring a new seamer in every series and have him out of the team in the very next. Their spinners Rashid and Moeen Ali are decent too and get the job done in LOIs. I would say their bowling attack is currently outmatched only by Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.

 

[Farhansk]

I think Australia and New Zealand will both give them tough time in their pool matches. I would however fancy Pakistan meeting England in Final instead of Australia.

 

[KhalidRafi]

They are the biggest chokers in the history of cricket.

South Africa have made that tag their own for decades now.

 

[Napa]

England's rapid rise from a mediocre limited-overs side to one of the Top 3-4 one-day teams is one of the most radical changes I've seen any team go through during my time watching cricket. They have the most destructive batting line-up in the world in which nearly every player is a clutch player and one that has the potential to put up 350+ totals on any pitch in the world. I mean, players like Bairstow and Billings are struggling to get a game. Not to forget, their bowling attack is pretty good too.

When it comes to big tournaments with real meaning and not JAMODIs, you will have either Australia or India beat up England like a rented drum.

 

[Hasan123]

If they can sort themselves out in pressure situations and bowl well they can definitely do it.

 

[dildildalwalla]

Yes...Australia

 

[Ab Fan]

Bowling attack is very mediocre and they have a history of choking in big tournaments.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Their bowling attack is very poor and opponent teams will mostly defeat them by chasing their totals.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Also, there are better teams than team.

 

[Citizen4]

South Africa have made that tag their own for decades now.

that's just a stereotype, an oversimplified image of SA.

England has been the biggest choker in the history of Cricket, even bigger than SA.

England are the biggest chokers because they have lost 3 World Cup finals, 1 ICC CT final, and 1 WT20 final. That's 5 final losses. No other team has choked that bad. In most of the finals, they were favorites.

Also, New Zealand have qualified for more World Cup semi-finals than any other nation, but remarkably the Kiwis have always found a way to choke and they only made it to the final once and they choked badly there as well.

 

[A.A.Z]

Australia are the favourites against England unless it's a seaming wicket, which doesn't happen in odi's in England. They have a much better bowling attack than England and won their last odi series there against this same revitalised unit.

South Africa are also favourites against England and have a much better bowling attack. South Africa can't be called chokers in a tournament they have already won. England could be favourites against them if they're batting 2nd, they could back their batting unit to chase down a total.

New Zealand could beat England on a given day. They also cannot be called chokers in a tournament they have already won. They lost a close series to England last time they played there, in the resurgent England teams first series since the 2015 WC.

In a chase India needs a fraction of their power-packed batting unit to come off to beat England. They won their last series in England as well as the final against them in the last tournament but that was old-school England, not this post-2015 WC juggernaut of a team.

 

[JibranAnsari]

England wont even make semis.

 

[Princejain191]

The opposition, perhaps. Champions trophy is brutal. One bad day could mean an exit. And apart from Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh - every country stands an equal chance to win this. A team may have 6 match winners but it only needs two from the opposite team to knock you out and England do have a meh bowling attack. Just to highlight what other teams have:

Australia - arguably, the best bowling lineup and a habit to perform on the big stage.

India - second only to Australia under pressure and with Kedar and Yuvi, middle order looks settled for time being. Also, for the first time will field a potent Odi pace attack - Shami, Bumrah, Bhuvi and Umesh.

SA - usually the better of the two teams on the paper before the match, has been in some unbelievable form. In Morris and Quinton, they have two new match winners. Formidable lineup

NZ - again the underdogs, expect them to make the semis somehow again. Has an amazing fast bowling lineup and with Ross back to his usual self - looks settled in batting for most part.

So not as easy for England as it may seem to you.

 

[szrana007]

that's just a stereotype, an oversimplified image of SA.

England has been the biggest choker in the history of Cricket, even bigger than SA.

England are the biggest chokers because they have lost 3 World Cup finals, 1 ICC CT final, and 1 WT20 final. That's 5 final losses. No other team has choked that bad. In most of the finals, they were favorites.

Also, New Zealand have qualified for more World Cup semi-finals than any other nation, but remarkably the Kiwis have always found a way to choke and they only made it to the final once and they choked badly there as well.

England also has won a world T20, which neither SA or NZ have done. SA hasn't even qualified for a final in any of the world T20's or ODI world cups.

 

[Mamoon]

They will either the Champions Trophy or the World Cup. Maybe both, but Australia or India will stop them at some point. This is their golden generation in ODIs.

Nonetheless, one can never be certain because the three best ODI teams in the world (in no particular order): England, Australia and India, are all capable of beating each other on their day. Can't take South Africa as a serious team irrespective of their bilateral performances, because one can say with 100% certainty that they won't win either of these two upcoming tournaments. This current South African lot doesn't have the guts, let's see if things change in the future when gutless players like Amla, de Villiers, Steyn, Morkel etc. retire.

 

[kingusama92]

Australia is always the favorite.

Big time players with the ability to perform in major events.

South Africa is brilliant on paper but they're mentally weak as a unit. It seems they're truly weighed down by that choker label.

 

[Princejain191]

They will either the Champions Trophy or the World Cup. Maybe both, but Australia or India will stop them at some point. This is their golden generation in ODIs.

Nonetheless, one can never be certain because the three best ODI teams in the world (in no particular order): England, Australia and India, are all capable of beating each other on their day. Can't take South Africa as a serious team irrespective of their bilateral performances, because one can say with 100% certainty that they won't win either of these two upcoming tournaments. This current South African lot doesn't have the guts, let's see if things change in the future when gutless players like Amla, de Villiers, Steyn, Morkel etc. retire.

How are Steyn and Morkel gutless Mamoon?

 

[BD-fan]

England wont even make semis.

Most likely scenario.
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No one needs to stop them. They can do that themselves. No help needed in that front.

 

[KhalidRafi]

I'm really surprised how much some of you guys are underrating England and overrating Australia.
I'm not going to attempt to argue against Australia's pace-attack. It's probably the best one in the entire tournament. But their batting lacks complete batsmen. Smith and Warner are the only batsmen Australia can reliably pin their hopes on. Finch has been in poor form for quite some time, Head is good but not entirely reliable. And the rest are just sloggers. Lynn, Henriques, Stoinis Maxwell, Hastings. And that weakens Australia considerably as compared to India, England, South Africa and New Zealand, who seem more balanced on paper.

Yes, any team can win on their day but momentum and having a balanced team matters alot. And for me, England have a very balanced side along with home advantage which comfortably makes them favorites going into this tournament.

 

[Justcrazy]

Cricket is uncertain game , one bad day , you are gone.

 

[Syed1]

England will lose in the semis of both tournaments.


You heard it here first folks.

 

[KhalidRafi]

I also feel England have the least flaws in their side on paper.

With India it's the bowlers. Not entirely sure how they will perform in England.

New Zealand's batting feels a little brittle keeping aside Guptill, Williamson and Taylor.

With South Africa it's the obvious chokers tag. They've never made it to the final of a major ICC tournament.

England clearly lack the x-factor in their bowling. But their bowlers generally tend to do well in home conditions and Morgan also knows how to use them.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Indian ODI batting is dismal and needs refreshing and soon. They have a much better bowling attack, probably one of the best around for ODIs.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

England will choke as always.

 

[Square Drive]

If they dodge Pakistan, then nothing can stop them.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

that's just a stereotype, an oversimplified image of SA.

England has been the biggest choker in the history of Cricket, even bigger than SA.

England are the biggest chokers because they have lost 3 World Cup finals, 1 ICC CT final, and 1 WT20 final. That's 5 final losses. No other team has choked that bad. In most of the finals, they were favorites.

Also, New Zealand have qualified for more World Cup semi-finals than any other nation, but remarkably the Kiwis have always found a way to choke and they only made it to the final once and they choked badly there as well.

NZ do well to make the semis as often as they do. They aren't chokers, in fact, they are the anti-chokers. They are perenially over-achieving side. They had a horribly mediocre side in 2011 losing 11 ODIs on the trot in India and Bangladesh in 2010, and then somehow made it to the 2011 semis.

Their current side is highly talented and plays very attractive cricket. But the question is will NZ get another golden generaton like they have now?

 

[Uzair Tariq]

England lost two CT Finals. One against West Indies at The Oval in 2004 and one against India in 2013.

 

[Hasan123]

I'm really surprised how much some of you guys are underrating England and overrating Australia.
I'm not going to attempt to argue against Australia's pace-attack. It's probably the best one in the entire tournament. But their batting lacks complete batsmen. Smith and Warner are the only batsmen Australia can reliably pin their hopes on. Finch has been in poor form for quite some time, Head is good but not entirely reliable. And the rest are just sloggers. Lynn, Henriques, Stoinis Maxwell, Hastings. And that weakens Australia considerably as compared to India, England, South Africa and New Zealand, who seem more balanced on paper.

Yes, any team can win on their day but momentum and having a balanced team matters alot. And for me, England have a very balanced side along with home advantage which comfortably makes them favorites going into this tournament.

Maxwell isn't a slogger lol

 

[silent ischemia]

They will either the Champions Trophy or the World Cup. Maybe both, but Australia or India will stop them at some point. This is their golden generation in ODIs.

Nonetheless, one can never be certain because the three best ODI teams in the world (in no particular order): England, Australia and India, are all capable of beating each other on their day. Can't take South Africa as a serious team irrespective of their bilateral performances, because one can say with 100% certainty that they won't win either of these two upcoming tournaments. This current South African lot doesn't have the guts, let's see if things change in the future when gutless players like Amla, de Villiers, Steyn, Morkel etc. retire.

Gutless. Only Amla please. How dare you put de Villiers, Steyn and Morel in the same league

 

[Ultimate]

2017 CT: Nothing may stop England form winning.

2019 WC: History will stop England from winning

 

[Ultimate]

Some things are certain, and I believe it won't ever change;

- Pakistan will never beat India in a WC.

- South Africa will never win a WC.

- England will never win a WC.

- New Zealand will never win a WC.

 

[R0H1T]

Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi

 

[Robert]

I think they have a good chance but I'll believe an England win when I see it. The batting is arguably the strongest in the world but the bowling is workmanlike. How they need a proper quick and a mystery spinner!

Of the three WC Finals they lost, the other team won the toss. In those days it was win the toss, win the Final - five times out of five.

Though England still should have beaten Australia in 1987, even lacking Botham and Gower.

 

[R0H1T]

I think they have a good chance but I'll believe an England win when I see it. The batting is arguably the strongest in the world but the bowling is workmanlike. How they need a proper quick and a mystery spinner!

Of the three WC Finals they lost, the other team won the toss. In those days it was win the toss, win the Final - five times out of five.

Though England still should have beaten Australia in 1987, even lacking Botham and Gower.

The turning point for England & especially Australia, for once (19)87 did a good thing for them.

 

[KhalidRafi]

Maxwell isn't a slogger lol

Why not? He has only faced 90+ balls (98) in an innings once in his entire one day career. One good innings in a test match doesn't categorize him as a proper batsman for me.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

They have 2 weaknesses.

Late order hitters
Special odi spinners

 

[Hasan123]

Why not? He has only faced 90+ balls (98) in an innings once in his entire one day career. One good innings in a test match doesn't categorize him as a proper batsman for me.

It has nothing to do with that innings vs India.

A player who can hit 360 degrees vs pace and spin isn't a slogger.

 

[KhalidRafi]

It has nothing to do with that innings vs India.

A player who can hit 360 degrees vs pace and spin isn't a slogger.

Slogger/hitter whatever. I don't want to get into semantics. Point is he isn't a complete batsman

 

[KhalidRafi]

He can hit 360 degrees for 30-40 balls, after which he slogs it down to long on and his joy ride comes to an end

 

[English August]

When it comes to big tournaments with real meaning and not JAMODIs, you will have either Australia or India beat up England like a rented drum.

I like the choice of language -- "beating up like a rented drum." LOL

 

[Hasan123]

Slogger/hitter whatever. I don't want to get into semantics. Point is he isn't a complete batsman

No batsmen is perfect. He has tempremnetal issues but they don't make him a slogger.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

The Big Bad Men In Green.

 

[troodon]

England are mental midgets.

 

[Abdullah719]

Us.

 

[Hasan123]

The green storm is stopping them.

 

[RehanG]

Pakistan

 

[Ab Fan]

Pakistan ending up the campaign of England and South Africa.

 

[Langau]

England is now done and dusted by the green storm

 

[msb314]

Pakistan ending up the campaign of England and South Africa.

And SL!

 

[Bhaijaan]

The look on Eoin Morgan’s face right now tells a story.

Too much pressure

2nd defeat of the tournament

3 top teams yet to face

 

[Itachi]

India will repeat the trend. Don't worry.

 

[Ab Fan]

Presently, there are many things stopping England from winning a single ICC tournament.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes. Pitch that ha little in it for the bowlers

 

[Itachi]

The list will only grow from now on.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

England's weakness is that all their batsmen are stroke makers.

If the pitch has something for bowlers they will struggle.

But don't write them off just yet.

If the next 3 pitches and the semi final and final pitches are flat belters, I back England to win all the matches.

Yesterday wasn't about pressure at all.

It was the type of pitch not suited to their stroke makers.

 

[bujhee kom]

Very one dimensional side.

 

[Chokli]

Presently, there are many things stopping England from winning a single ICC tournament.

they won world t20 in 2010

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Slim chances of qualifying for Semi final if India lose against Afghanistan today.

What a turnaround

 

[The_Odd_One]

England's chances have halved after the SL loss. The following knockouts are most likely now:

India (#1) vs England (#4)
Australia (#2) vs New Zealand (#3)

Even, if they somehow beat India in the semi-final, they will have to beat Australia in the final. I honestly do not see them beating both India and Australia in consecutive knockouts.

Toping the points table would have given them an easier semi-final against New Zealand and then it was just a matter of winning one game against either of Australia or India. Now, they have to beat both of them.

 

[Hamza_]

I don't think England deserves to move over to the SF Stage.

They have lost to Sri Lanka and Pakistan which sums up their performance.

England should have played Sam Billings here, obsession with James Vince is weird.

As much as I like England, I don't think they should be going further in the tournament, as a top team in a top tournament your performance should be solid.

Their bowling line looks very skeptical apart from Archer.