Is this democracy?

[TalentSpotterPk]

1. Punjab Police torturing and abusing a couple in the middle of a road

https://youtu.be/qFCZPNoJ7tM



2. Punjab Police in search of Chief Secretary Punjab's Cat which was lost while 217 kidnapped children ?

https://youtu.be/OGSc-UzVV3g



3. Honorable Honest DPO who told his boss (IG) that he cannot do justice which CM punjab wants him to do in a Rape Case so he should be transferred

https://youtu.be/-M17gmhH-n4



4. Police Officer Snatches 43000 rupees Cash aswell as Bike from A Confectioner

https://youtu.be/BHk6Y8rr_b8



5. Class 9 rape victim who was gang raped by Worker of PML N Mian Adnan Sanaullah who is close affiliate of former Punjab Education Minister Rana Mashood still awaits justice from Police

https://youtu.be/b94SaBu9jAE



6. DPO Bahawalnagar sacked by IG Punjab on direct orders of PM Nawaz Sharif because he was performing his duty honestly. MNA Laleka and his stooges and their unlawful activities and grievances are more important for PM Nawaz Sharif than Pakistan.

https://youtu.be/ybk8OF3n-gk




First Defend this as Democracy. Please Praise this Democracy and this governance than I shall enlighten you about Health & Education Sectors aswell.



You want Continuation of this Democracy ? Where Maltreatment, Injustice, Hunger, Inflation, Powerty increases with every tenure ? PML N and Nawaz Sharif Family has governed Punjab for more than 15 years. Since Last 8 years they are in power in Punjab and Punjab.


Is this a picture of

" By The People For The People " ?



Continuation of this will bear fruits for Pakistan ? Just like 5 tenures of Sharif's in Punjab Pakistan ?



Will We Admit the Truth ?

Do We have the Audacity to Accept Reality ?

 

[big_gamer007]

This is not about being in a democracy.. It happens in India as well, police reforms are needed in both the countries.. During election time some of the politicians raise the issue and when government is formed no one cares about it.. Police brutality and ineptness happens in sub continent.. Need to change the mindset of the police and reduce political intervention...

 

[Suleiman]

Yes it is. The majority of the country voted for the goons or heroes, whatever your POI is, in charge of the country at this moment in time.

Simply shuffling the party in power like a pack of cards every few years will not change anything in Pakistan. Imran is not a hero as his diehard fans claim, PPP is dead as well. PML N is there for all to see as well.

The ideologies and values of the people need to change from the ground up, simply changing the system won't do anything.

You can give a man addicted to smoking as many transplants and bypasses as you want in a state of the art hospital. However if he is not willing to change his own habits for his own good, then his end will be inevitable regardless of how much medical care he recieves.

 

[big_gamer007]

Yes it is. The majority of the country voted for the goons or heroes, whatever your POI is, in charge of the country at this moment in time.

Simply shuffling the party in power like a pack of cards every few years will not change anything in Pakistan. Imran is not a hero as his diehard fans claim, PPP is dead as well. PML N is there for all to see as well.

The ideologies and values of the people need to change from the ground up, simply changing the system won't do anything.

You can give a man addicted to smoking as many transplants and bypasses as you want in a state of the art hospital. However if he is not willing to change his own habits for his own good, then his end will be inevitable regardless of how much medical care he recieves.

Agreed.. Also I get a feeling that we are inept in handling positions of power.. Once we get a position in which we have power over someone else we become rude/obnoxious and misuse it, try to impose our dominance in all facets of life not just police/politicians..

 

[last_knight]

Let them complete their term of five years. If they complete 5 years, that's more damaging for current govt as compared to throwing them out now. Haven't Pakistan observed this with PPP. Martial Law or any interruption gives them excuses for next polls and our politicians are very good at exploiting public by using this victim card tricks.

My understanding is that Nawaz Group is itching to lock horns with army in next few months. Its huge loss for them if they complete 5 years which i suspect they dont want to. Critical months these.


For once, Let them continue and complete their term. Opponents should support this concept.

 

[JaDed]

Police should be independent of the politicians ,sadly we are still following broken laws of the English Raj.

 

[Lords]

It has nothing to do with democracy. It only showcases the corrupt reflection of pakistani society.

But i agree pakistan doesnt have real democracy, it had indirect army rule. Army controlls govt through threats ans its stooges that are trying to usurp govt

 

[Waseem]

This is not about being in a democracy.. It happens in India as well, police reforms are needed in both the countries.. During election time some of the politicians raise the issue and when government is formed no one cares about it.. Police brutality and ineptness happens in sub continent.. Need to change the mindset of the police and reduce political intervention...

I agree this is more of a 3rd world country problem and not much to do with democracy as things are more or less same even if there was no democracy and these things happen in India where there is democracy.

What i find shocking however even for a 3rd world country is following:

Nawaz Sharif (NOW the democratic leader who got to this stage through DICTATORS) believes he is above and beyond even VVIPs of the country and just a small example.

- 3000 policemen protecting personal properties of Nawaz Sharif, now this is a place where 200+ kids have been kidnapped in certain parts of Lahore alone in 6 months.
- Additional Rs364 Million being spent to improve security of Sharif's personal property in FY15-16 in addition to what already exists.
- Millions of government funds have been spent to build infrastructure around Sharif palace.

This is just security, other recent examples of their complete lavish expenditures:

- Rs430 million allocated for their private house in Murree
- Shahbaz Sharif (Khadim e aala) requesting private jet worth Rs3 billion ($30Million).
- Rs 22 million for renovation of PM house bathroom
- Sharif's lunch being delivered in gov helicopters
- PM returning from London on special Boeing-777 plane that travelled all the way from Pakistan.

I mean these are only some of the examples, these people do not support democracy by any means. They know the perks of power and this can only happen in their rule. These people don't care about devolution of power which is integral part of democracy, refused to hold local bodies elections for almost 7 years and only held them because of court orders but no power/funds passed on to elected bodies. Oh and anyone raising these issues are called PTI supporters who are traitors and anti democracy.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes it is. The majority made their decision and had their say.

PTI definition of democracy might be different to the universal definition of democracy, but I personally believe in the universal definition of democracy.

 

[Asim2Good]

Yes it is. The majority made their decision and had their say.

PTI definition of democracy might be different to the universal definition of democracy, but I personally believe in the universal definition of democracy.

But universal democracy different than one in Pakistan
Law should be same for each n everyone but it's not the case in Pakistan

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Yes it is. The majority made their decision and had their say.

PTI definition of democracy might be different to the universal definition of democracy, but I personally believe in the universal definition of democracy.

What happened in Constituencies of Jahangir Tareen, Khwaja Asif, Khwaja Saad Rqfique, Bushra Aitzaaz, Sardar Ayaz Sadiq, Usman Dar etc to name a few during elections ?

Does this happen in Democracy ?



Sardar Ayaz Sadiq is going to be knocked down again because of transfer of 21000 votes from another constituency to NA 122 weeks before re-election and He won by a margin of 3000 votes only. But the speed of investigation and justice being done is absolutely shocking. This so called Democracy is the reason for dragging 3 weeks process into years.


Substantial Rigging and Democracy do not go hand in hand I am afraid.

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[Syed1]

Yes it is. The majority made their decision and had their say.

PTI definition of democracy might be different to the universal definition of democracy, but I personally believe in the universal definition of democracy.

Pakistan does not follow the universal definition of democracy, just fyi


No where in the world an unelected woman will be allowed to call the shots just because she is the PM's daughter.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

Supreme Court gave their verdict. It was systematic rigging and not a giant conspiracy against PTI.

PTI's own members were exposed for their rigging by PTI's own judiciary council, but Imran decided to sack the council because he didn't have the guts to cancel the membership of the members who did rigging.

How is this different to PML-N not allowing accountability? Both are the same as far as I'm concerned.

However, the problem is that democracy is only democracy if the verdict is in favor of Imran/PTI.

Supposedly, Supreme Court has been bought by Nawaz as well now, that is why it did not agree that the rigging was part of a PML-N conspiracy.

So yes this is democracy and Nawaz was elected democratically. We cannot call it undemocratic just because the decision was not in our favor.

The people made their choice, and we have no option but to respect the choice.

Is Imran a democratic leader? He himself is a dictator.

He will side with the devil himself it he can seat him in the PM house. When has he last mentioned PPP corruption?

He is ready to sit with the son of the most corrupt man in Pakistan, he is ready to continue with his own offshore guys.

Tell me what is new about Panama? Did Panama tell us something new? No, We all knew Nawaz has property abroad and that he is not clean.

Yes it did tell us that Imran also had an offshore company; it also told us that two of his top lieutenants also have offshore accounts and yes it also told us that he declared his London flat in an amnesty scheme of FBR in 2001 - it was a scheme to declare your hidden assets on which you have not paid tax.

So what was the need to avail an amnesty scheme.

You also know that his honesty/integrity has been tested four times and he failed on all four occasions.

1) Justice Wajihuddin case
2) General Hamid case
3) Toru case
4) Noorani case.

His two financiers turned out to be offshore people, did he fire them? No, he did not.

Do you think SMQ, who has been in both PML-N and PPP, and who left PPP because of ministry will bring change?

Someone who puts on a oversized turban once a year and collects 10 rupees from his serfs will bring change?

Will Tareen who was Industries Minister with Musharraf, made tons of money and took it all out into offshore companies bring change?

Will Aleem Khan, the biggest property & estate mafia in Lahore, who made billions in lands and took all his money to offshore companies bring change?

Will the Swabi gang of tax evaders who made billions in evading taxes bring change?

Justice Wajihuddin gave it to him I writing that Pervez Khattak, Jahangir Tareen and Nadir Laghari have rigged the elections and are corrupt because they used money to get votes, what happened?

He was fired, not them.

 

[Mamoon]

But universal democracy different than one in Pakistan
Law should be same for each n everyone but it's not the case in Pakistan

Law & Order is a different issue. The federal government was elected in a democratic fashion and hence it is a democracy.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan does not follow the universal definition of democracy, just fyi


No where in the world an unelected woman will be allowed to call the shots just because she is the PM's daughter.

She is not the reason why Nawaz is PM. Nawaz is PM because the majority of the people in Pakistan voted for him, and that is a democratic decision.

Unfortunately, we will accept democracy only when the result is in our favor.

 

[Syed1]

She is not the reason why Nawaz is PM. Nawaz is PM because the majority of the people in Pakistan voted for him, and that is a democratic decision.

Unfortunately, we will accept democracy only when the result is in our favor.

If the right to vote is the only objective of democracy, then I'll have you know every dictator that Pakistan had had been "elected" at some point during their tenure.

Unfortunately, we will only point out these transgressions when our man isn't on the throne.

 

[Mamoon]

If the right to vote is the only objective of democracy, then I'll have you know every dictator that Pakistan had had been "elected" at some point during their tenure.

Unfortunately, we will only point out these transgressions when our man isn't on the throne.

The dictators came into power in the first place in an undemocratic fashion. They toppled the government and forcefully came into power.

Validating your power in a democratic fashion later on is not the same as allowing the people to choose you in the first place.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

Supreme Court gave their verdict. It was systematic rigging and not a giant conspiracy against PTI.

PTI's own members were exposed for their rigging by PTI's own judiciary council, but Imran decided to sack the council because he didn't have the guts to cancel the membership of the members who did rigging.

How is this different to PML-N not allowing accountability? Both are the same as far as I'm concerned.

However, the problem is that democracy is only democracy if the verdict is in favor of Imran/PTI.

Supposedly, Supreme Court has been bought by Nawaz as well now, that is why it did not agree that the rigging was part of a PML-N conspiracy.

So yes this is democracy and Nawaz was elected democratically. We cannot call it undemocratic just because the decision was not in our favor.

The people made their choice, and we have no option but to respect the choice.

Is Imran a democratic leader? He himself is a dictator.

He will side with the devil himself it he can seat him in the PM house. When has he last mentioned PPP corruption?

He is ready to sit with the son of the most corrupt man in Pakistan, he is ready to continue with his own offshore guys.

Tell me what is new about Panama? Did Panama tell us something new? No, We all knew Nawaz has property abroad and that he is not clean.

Yes it did tell us that Imran also had an offshore company; it also told us that two of his top lieutenants also have offshore accounts and yes it also told us that he declared his London flat in an amnesty scheme of FBR in 2001 - it was a scheme to declare your hidden assets on which you have not paid tax.

So what was the need to avail an amnesty scheme.

You also know that his honesty/integrity has been tested four times and he failed on all four occasions.

1) Justice Wajihuddin case
2) General Hamid case
3) Toru case
4) Noorani case.

His two financiers turned out to be offshore people, did he fire them? No, he did not.

Do you think SMQ, who has been in both PML-N and PPP, and who left PPP because of ministry will bring change?

Someone who puts on a oversized turban once a year and collects 10 rupees from his serfs will bring change?

Will Tareen who was Industries Minister with Musharraf, made tons of money and took it all out into offshore companies bring change?

Will Aleem Khan, the biggest property & estate mafia in Lahore, who made billions in lands and took all his money to offshore companies bring change?

Will the Swabi gang of tax evaders who made billions in evading taxes bring change?

Justice Wajihuddin gave it to him I writing that Pervez Khattak, Jahangir Tareen and Nadir Laghari have rigged the elections and are corrupt because they used money to get votes, what happened?

He was fired, not them.

The matters you have discussed have already been discussed in depth in other threads be it be General Hamid or Justice Wajihuddin.


This Supreme Court and the previous Supreme Courts have all been part of this so called democracy aswell as Martial Laws and this judiciary has been exposed many times. This Supreme Court is no International Court of Justice. Do not forget that It was Supreme Court which gave legitimacy to not only Pervez Musharraf's Martial Law but went one step ahead in giving the dictator right to amend constitution aswell.


How many times we have been bitten by this Naariya e Zarurat in our history ?

For instance take the example of all the Commosions thay were set up for inquiries in last 69 years. You Name it. Nothing came out of them just like Judicial commision which did inquiry into Election Rigging. Before the commision was made Raddi " Rubbish " came out of Ballot Boxes of election in Bushra Aitizaz's constituency where PML N won and the demand was forensic audit of 25 Constituencies through NADRA but the Judicial Commision did not bother to opt for it. Because they did not have the balls to justify the possible reports and to declare the rigged elections Null & Void and call for fresh elections within 3 to 6 months with a new election commision.


In this " Pseudo Democracy cum Monoply " whichever Judge or Judges did honest Job in a Commision there report was kept secret for decades until all the culprits died
(Hamood ur Rehman Commision) or take a recent example of Model Town Commision of Justice Baqsr Najafi whose report is neither made public nor implemented aor ooper se aik aor Commision bana diya Clean chit denay k liye apni gardan bachanay k liye.



Keep on defending this

" Fake Democracy "

this

" Maafiacracy "

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[Asim2Good]

Law & Order is a different issue. The federal government was elected in a democratic fashion and hence it is a democracy.

I am not talking about law n order which is also one of job of elected govt. too btw which Pak govt. is failing badly to provide to it's people

I m talking about law, in democracy when someone commit a crime, he has to face law n sent to jail if proven quilty and democracy doesn't care about his/her status which is not the case in Pak

There are many other roles of democracy other than having elected PM, which are nowhere to be seen in Pak

 

[big_gamer007]

I agree this is more of a 3rd world country problem and not much to do with democracy as things are more or less same even if there was no democracy and these things happen in India where there is democracy.

What i find shocking however even for a 3rd world country is following:

Nawaz Sharif (NOW the democratic leader who got to this stage through DICTATORS) believes he is above and beyond even VVIPs of the country and just a small example.

- 3000 policemen protecting personal properties of Nawaz Sharif, now this is a place where 200+ kids have been kidnapped in certain parts of Lahore alone in 6 months.
- Additional Rs364 Million being spent to improve security of Sharif's personal property in FY15-16 in addition to what already exists.
- Millions of government funds have been spent to build infrastructure around Sharif palace.

This is just security, other recent examples of their complete lavish expenditures:

- Rs430 million allocated for their private house in Murree
- Shahbaz Sharif (Khadim e aala) requesting private jet worth Rs3 billion ($30Million).
- Rs 22 million for renovation of PM house bathroom
- Sharif's lunch being delivered in gov helicopters
- PM returning from London on special Boeing-777 plane that travelled all the way from Pakistan.

I mean these are only some of the examples, these people do not support democracy by any means. They know the perks of power and this can only happen in their rule. These people don't care about devolution of power which is integral part of democracy, refused to hold local bodies elections for almost 7 years and only held them because of court orders but no power/funds passed on to elected bodies. Oh and anyone raising these issues are called PTI supporters who are traitors and anti democracy.

Politicians are same everywhere.. I'll tell you a story one of my neighbor had a CBI raid conducted at his house.. And eventually his assets worth 10,000 Crores (which is equal to what 15Bill USD or 1.5bill USD?) were discovered by CBI.. Now you know the worse part? That guy was not even a Politician.. He was a bureaucrat imagine to sustain his position of power how much the Chief Ministers made if he made 10,000 crore.. And that is just one Bureaucrat the entire state has thousands of bureaucrats and politicians get money from everyone..

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Democracy has failed big time, allowing it to run its course will harm the country even more, we should come out of myths and know the ground realities.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

According to PPP and Bhutto clan Democracy is the best Revenge. Yeah it is.


According to Unicef report on Pakistan's Government run Schools only 7 % of the students who pass Primary education can be termed literate.


Yes some bad things wrt PTI in KPK schools curriculum forced by Jamaat e Islami Pakistan but still they have done quite alot in improving Education department and condition of Schools and students has improved quite abit.
[MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] will second me.


Look at the interior sindh schools :

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[Syed1]

Sorry TSPk we do not need schools or education, motorways and coal powerplants run on imported coal are the need of the hour.


Democracy is the best revenge

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Sorry TSPk we do not need schools or education, motorways and coal powerplants run on imported coal are the need of the hour.


Democracy is the best revenge

So unfortunate :-/

 

[DRsohail]

in kpk first of all there were not any standard monitoring system to monitor work of teachers and others employees,,they have introduced it and it is working very well..,,,2 training of the teachers has been modernized and the teachers from the the 90s are being trained in teaching in a modern way...my dad is a teacher and he hiself passed throug these process,,they promoted primary school teacher to grade 15 and 16 which was iitiated by ANP..around 650 nes primary schools has been bulit ...the old primary schools has been upgraded with solar system, an importantly money was directly given to head teachers to invest it as my dad built 2 rooms, bath rooms solar system and water supply under his supervison...,,

 

[DRsohail]

regarding coricculum pti and ji had some disputes over some specific topics which were not that big issue and has been solved...the new corrriculum is outstanding and emphasis has been give to modern scienctific education in english which was in pashto in our times and i can tell u that was rubbish...

 

[DRsohail]

clean water is being provided now but it will take time every school needed boundry walls for security reasons which has been done incredbly...solar system in every school is being provided.

 

[DRsohail]

i am telling u that i have seen in my ditrict...and there will be plans being implemented,,,,i can just tell what i can see...

 

[Syed1]

i am telling u that i have seen in my ditrict...and there will be plans being implemented,,,,i can just tell what i can see...

clean water is being provided now but it will take time every school needed boundry walls for security reasons which has been done incredbly...solar system in every school is being provided.

regarding coricculum pti and ji had some disputes over some specific topics which were not that big issue and has been solved...the new corrriculum is outstanding and emphasis has been give to modern scienctific education in english which was in pashto in our times and i can tell u that was rubbish...

in kpk first of all there were not any standard monitoring system to monitor work of teachers and others employees,,they have introduced it and it is working very well..,,,2 training of the teachers has been modernized and the teachers from the the 90s are being trained in teaching in a modern way...my dad is a teacher and he hiself passed throug these process,,they promoted primary school teacher to grade 15 and 16 which was iitiated by ANP..around 650 nes primary schools has been bulit ...the old primary schools has been upgraded with solar system, an importantly money was directly given to head teachers to invest it as my dad built 2 rooms, bath rooms solar system and water supply under his supervison...,,

Glad that PTI is focusing on education, it was one of their major election manifestos.

I would like the federal government to declare an educational emergency in Pakistan and make it the objective of the state to educate our population on a war footing. However, it is hard to expect such decisions from people who are busy stuffing their pockets.


I hope PTI is able to break the cycle of Bhutto slavery that is shown in interior Sindh and able to form government in Sindh. That way they can invest in the education system, something that the PPP hasn't done in their 40 year rule.

 

[DRsohail]

give them time pti is doing excellent job as far as my observations are concerned.

 

[Mian]

1. Punjab Police torturing and abusing a couple in the middle of a road

https://youtu.be/qFCZPNoJ7tM



2. Punjab Police in search of Chief Secretary Punjab's Cat which was lost while 217 kidnapped children ?

https://youtu.be/OGSc-UzVV3g



3. Honorable Honest DPO who told his boss (IG) that he cannot do justice which CM punjab wants him to do in a Rape Case so he should be transferred

https://youtu.be/-M17gmhH-n4



4. Police Officer Snatches 43000 rupees Cash aswell as Bike from A Confectioner

https://youtu.be/BHk6Y8rr_b8



5. Class 9 rape victim who was gang raped by Worker of PML N Mian Adnan Sanaullah who is close affiliate of former Punjab Education Minister Rana Mashood still awaits justice from Police

https://youtu.be/b94SaBu9jAE



6. DPO Bahawalnagar sacked by IG Punjab on direct orders of PM Nawaz Sharif because he was performing his duty honestly. MNA Laleka and his stooges and their unlawful activities and grievances are more important for PM Nawaz Sharif than Pakistan.

https://youtu.be/ybk8OF3n-gk




First Defend this as Democracy. Please Praise this Democracy and this governance than I shall enlighten you about Health & Education Sectors aswell.



You want Continuation of this Democracy ? Where Maltreatment, Injustice, Hunger, Inflation, Powerty increases with every tenure ? PML N and Nawaz Sharif Family has governed Punjab for more than 15 years. Since Last 8 years they are in power in Punjab and Punjab.


Is this a picture of

" By The People For The People " ?



Continuation of this will bear fruits for Pakistan ? Just like 5 tenures of Sharif's in Punjab Pakistan ?



Will We Admit the Truth ?

Do We have the Audacity to Accept Reality ?

Yes this is our democracy and welcome to sharif club keep defending them and their sins!