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Is this Pakistan's best ever T20I side?

Is the current T20I team Pakistan's best ever?

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Yes Pakistan won the World T20 in 2009, but is the current T20I team the best they have ever had?
 
No it would be best ever if Babar was there in place of Shehzad
 
Can't say. They haven't really been tested except for the NZ series. They are also very young and far from settled.
 
need to get rid of
Shehzad
Rahat

Asif ali, Hussain talat,Mo nawaz,Sarfraz lacks consistency

Fakhar is hit or miss player
 
2009 was better imo.

None of the current bowlers are anywhere near the level Umer Gul was bowling but it was a arguably the best bowling by a quick in any world T20 to this day.

Afridi and Razzaq were brutal hitters too.

Ajmal was far superiour than the spinners now.
 
They are not best side , but Coach and Captain are better than previous sides. Most of tactical decisions are good , if not all. Fielding is very good. Much better than previous sides.
 
No big names, but as a team yes.
Plus this side has better depth in bowling. I dont think Amir makes it into playing X1 as an automatic choice now.
 
This batting lineup have no chance against our T20 bowling attack of 2007-2010.

It’s better than the post 2010 teams, but it is massively overrated and have been made to look good due to the weak opposition.
 
If our batting had some fire power similar to that of Afridi and Razzaq's in 2007-10, then yes.
 
"Side" means batting and bowling, batting a bit unsure but much better than many of the past and bowling one of the best, never mind fielding, attitude etc, so yeah, it is the best if not one of the best.
 
I don’t think it’s as good as the 2009 team but it’s still a very decent team.
 
Just need the likes of Talat and Asif to get settled in and start performing and then it will definitely be the best side.
 
Gul Afridi Ajmal and Hafeez would dismiss them under 100. A firing Umar Akmal who holds the 2 fastest 50s for Pakistan (against nz and Aus btw) along with Afridi and Razzaq would be enough for them
 
Good team but way too untested against quality opposition to be labelled "best", "greatest of all time", et al.

Malik still carrying the team on his back even with the much backed young swashbucklers in it is hilarious considering how much flak he cops on here for being "finished".

Even today the Fakhars, Talats contributed some 20s for Malik to stamp authority.
 
Suleiman said:
Good team but way too untested against quality opposition to be labelled "best", "greatest of all time", et al.

Malik still carrying the team on his back even with the much backed young swashbucklers in it is hilarious considering how much flak he cops on here for being "finished".

Even today the Fakhars, Talats contributed some 20s for Malik to stamp authority.
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I blame Shehzad......
 
Suleiman said:
Good team but way too untested against quality opposition to be labelled "best", "greatest of all time", et al.

Malik still carrying the team on his back even with the much backed young swashbucklers in it is hilarious considering how much flak he cops on here for being "finished".

Even today the Fakhars, Talats contributed some 20s for Malik to stamp authority.
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"No let's kick out Malik!!!! what is that TTF senior doing in our team!!! can't wait to get rid of him!!!"
 
It's funny that despite losing Sharjeel and Latif, this team is still top class.

It has the potential to be best ever.
 
imagine sharjeel in olace of shezzy and khalid for Talat, and this batting would be as good as anyone out there, this team is still good but that team would have instilled fear in opposition, nothing against Talat but he doesn't seem to be aggressive enough to be a good no. 3 in t20s, he can rotate strike very well but you need big hitting as well, and he don't seem to trust his hitting skills, Khalid could destroy spinners and could handle pacers as well.
 
Zeshan547 said:
imagine sharjeel in olace of shezzy and khalid for Talat, and this batting would be as good as anyone out there, this team is still good but that team would have instilled fear in opposition, nothing against Talat but he doesn't seem to be aggressive enough to be a good no. 3 in t20s, he can rotate strike very well but you need big hitting as well, and he don't seem to trust his hitting skills, Khalid could destroy spinners and could handle pacers as well.
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Sharjeel and Fakhar, followed by Babar is a solid top-order
 
Not yet. I think it definitely has the potential but like many posters here I agree that the bowling attack was ruthless back in 2009.
 
I think our bowling was stronger in 2009 - 2010. Remember the attack that played Australia in two T20s in 2010: Akhtar, Amir, Ajmal, Gul and Afridi.
 
Nope. 9 times out of 10 the 2007-2010 Pakistan bowling attack would come out on top against their current batsmen in the shortest format.
 
Possibly as we're getting results, but batting still looks a bit shaky.
 
If you add Baber to open with Fakhar, then yes it is a pretty good team. I honestly don't think Shehzad gets into even the C team in any format. Usman should play more for Pakistan!
 
Nah this bowling attack is quite week compared to 2009 team. Also let this team play against SA, India , Australia, England.
 
We are definitely headed in the right direction in T20s but not sure if this is our best T20 side in history
 
I voted for yes. On paper, it may not be as strong as 2009 squad etc, but as a team, we are looking better and this team is more youthful so I think we have a great team culture with less politics/infighting than before
 
2009 spin attack will be taken apart by our current batting which has quality players of spin.

2018 bowling = 2009 bowling
but
2018 batting > 2009 batting
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
2009 spin attack will be taken apart by our current batting which has quality players of spin.

2018 bowling = 2009 bowling
but
2018 batting > 2009 batting
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Will add that i think Fakhar is underrated against spin especially as dasher. He will disturb the length of spin bowlers like Ashwin, Ajmal, Hafeez, Afridi etc and will take them apart 8/10 times.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Will add that i think Fakhar is underrated against spin especially as dasher. He will disturb the length of spin bowlers like Ashwin, Ajmal, Hafeez, Afridi etc and will take them apart 8/10 times.
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Fakhar would not stand a chance against peak Ajmal. He was too crafty and his chucking gave him immense control and accuracy. He would have bamboozled him.

Same goes for Sarfraz, who often plays around his front-bad and is prone to misreading variations.

All of our batsmen apart from Malik have weak defensive techniques against spin, and as Sangakkara, de Villiers and Kohli showed, orthodox approach was the best method of taming Ajmal.

The likes of Fakhar and Sarfraz would have done well against Afridi though, but Fakhar might have been Hafeez’s bunny like many left-handers.

Malik and probably Haris would have handled Ajmal. I remember watching Haris dominate a peak Ajmal in a domestic game once, he looked really good.
 
Mamoon said:
Fakhar would not stand a chance against peak Ajmal. He was too crafty and his chucking gave him immense control and accuracy. He would have bamboozled him.

Same goes for Sarfraz, who often plays around his front-bad and is prone to misreading variations.

All of our batsmen apart from Malik have weak defensive techniques against spin, and as Sangakkara, de Villiers and Kohli showed, orthodox approach was the best method of taming Ajmal.

The likes of Fakhar and Sarfraz would have done well against Afridi though, but Fakhar might have been Hafeez’s bunny like many left-handers.

Malik and probably Haris would have handled Ajmal. I remember watching Haris dominate a peak Ajmal in a domestic game once, he looked really good.
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That 2007-10 team with A Razzak, Afridi, Gul, Ajmal, Malik, Nazir, Asif/Shoaib/Amir (partially all 3), Tanvir - led by Malik or YK, will beat this No. 1 team 4 times out of 5, if not 9 out of 10 - but I can't prove, so won't go to argue.

May be we can visit this thread again, if the ZIM triangular happens, and first time in many months, PAK T20 side actually takes on a serious team, who would be trying to prove something. I hope, Aussies put a decent squad than the kids they have sent to UK.
 
Saj said:
Yes Pakistan won the World T20 in 2009, but is the current T20I team the best they have ever had?
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On paper, No. Looking at results ,Yes. Like India in test matches the real challenges are due.
 
2009 was a better team. It had a peak Afridi who was scoring runs and bowling well. Mohammad Amir was young and quick, Umar Gul was the best T20 bowler during that time and then there was Saeed Ajmal who was running through sides for fun. I think that Pakistan bowling attack is better than what you have now.
 
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No other T20 team in history has had such a prolonged run of games against minnows and weak opposition as this Pakistan side.

This farce is becoming a joke now.
 
Mamoon said:
No other T20 team in history has had such a prolonged run of games against minnows and weak opposition as this Pakistan side.

This farce is becoming a joke now.
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They are playing Australia tomorrow, take a chill pill.
 
blackanhyellow said:
They are playing Australia tomorrow, take a chill pill.
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An Australian side without Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins. Just take a look at some of the names in the squad - Swepson, Wildermuth, Carey, Jhye Richardson etc. Who on earth are these players?

A third-string Australian team for a series that doesn't get anymore pointless. A T20 tri-series vs Pakistan and Zimbabwe is as useless as it can get for Australia, and yes if they win they will go top of the T20I rankings, but no serious team takes T20I rankings seriously.

Pakistan is the only team that takes pride in T20I rankings, a format in which teams tend to experiment and rest players frequently. However, we same to value it very highly because it is the only format where we can maintain a high ranking.

Nonetheless, the amount of buffet T20 matches that this is getting is becoming ridiculous.
 
Mamoon said:
An Australian side without Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins. Just take a look at some of the names in the squad - Swepson, Wildermuth, Carey, Jhye Richardson etc. Who on earth are these players?

A third-string Australian team for a series that doesn't get anymore pointless. A T20 tri-series vs Pakistan and Zimbabwe is as useless as it can get for Australia, and yes if they win they will go top of the T20I rankings, but no serious team takes T20I rankings seriously.

Pakistan is the only team that takes pride in T20I rankings, a format in which teams tend to experiment and rest players frequently. However, we same to value it very highly because it is the only format where we can maintain a high ranking.

Nonetheless, the amount of buffet T20 matches that this is getting is becoming ridiculous.
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Well we played New Zealand earlier this year and our next tour is going to be South Africa.

You are right that other teams try new players in t20s. But other teams also play a lot more competitive cricket than Pakistan.

Do you really want our players to be rested from series like this?

What do you think is going to happen when they get that much time between the next series? They will be woefully out of form with considerably larger bellies on their return.

Cant compare Pakistan to India, who play constantly and go from series to series without large gaps in their calendar. If they rest some key players for a series, those players still wont have a six month gap until the next series.
 
Mamoon said:
No other T20 team in history has had such a prolonged run of games against minnows and weak opposition as this Pakistan side.

This farce is becoming a joke now.
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I know which farce is becoming a joke now :D
 
Mamoon said:
An Australian side without Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins. Just take a look at some of the names in the squad - Swepson, Wildermuth, Carey, Jhye Richardson etc. Who on earth are these players?

A third-string Australian team for a series that doesn't get anymore pointless. A T20 tri-series vs Pakistan and Zimbabwe is as useless as it can get for Australia, and yes if they win they will go top of the T20I rankings, but no serious team takes T20I rankings seriously.

Pakistan is the only team that takes pride in T20I rankings, a format in which teams tend to experiment and rest players frequently. However, we same to value it very highly because it is the only format where we can maintain a high ranking.

Nonetheless, the amount of buffet T20 matches that this is getting is becoming ridiculous.
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Oh bore off. We beat a strong NZ team in NZ and you made some of the worst excuses possible.
 
Mamoon said:
An Australian side without Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins. Just take a look at some of the names in the squad - Swepson, Wildermuth, Carey, Jhye Richardson etc. Who on earth are these players?

A third-string Australian team for a series that doesn't get anymore pointless. A T20 tri-series vs Pakistan and Zimbabwe is as useless as it can get for Australia, and yes if they win they will go top of the T20I rankings, but no serious team takes T20I rankings seriously.

Pakistan is the only team that takes pride in T20I rankings, a format in which teams tend to experiment and rest players frequently. However, we same to value it very highly because it is the only format where we can maintain a high ranking.

Nonetheless, the amount of buffet T20 matches that this is getting is becoming ridiculous.
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Smith, Hazlewood, and Cummins are not even their top T20 players. The squad has Finch, Maxwell, and Marsh and it is almost the same team which won T20 tri series recently.
 
LOL so because Smith and Warner decided to cheat, Australia are 3rd string now? Gimme a break.

This is their first choice team.

Their pacers are made out of plastic, but let's not forget we also have Babar, Rumman and Imad - three very valuable cricketers - injured.

Pakistan is the best team in the world. Haters can suck itt up.
 
The batting strength is superb - probably the best ever.

Perhaps the bowling isn't the strongest but it's getting there.
 
26-4 against a third string Australia. :)))

The best T20 team in the world ladies and gentleman, and arguably the greatest of all time as some of our friends will tell you.

Medical science has made great progress, but a cure for delusion is yet to be found.
 
Australia found another quality bowler in form of Billy Stanlake. Very impressive from him.
 
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Mamoon said:
26-4 against a third string Australia. :)))

The best T20 team in the world ladies and gentleman, and arguably the greatest of all time as some of our friends will tell you.

Medical science has made great progress, but a cure for delusion is yet to be found.
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I find it hilarious that you are talking about others being delusional. :41:

I think you should create your own ranking points system seeing as the one the ICC CREATE seems to be nonsense to you.

Regardless of who we have played, we have beaten everyone put in front of us. T20 is a hit and miss and any team can win on any given day, hence our recent record is even more impressive. Bound to lose the odd game here and there (this game isn't even done yet). Not that it would guarantee us a win but we are also missing the world number 1 T20 batsmen.
 
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The batting strength is superb - probably the best ever.

Perhaps the bowling isn't the strongest but it's getting there.
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Batting looks like a village cricket 3rd X1 and this against Australia B strength bowling line up.
 
Mamoon said:
26-4 against a third string Australia. :)))

The best T20 team in the world ladies and gentleman, and arguably the greatest of all time as some of our friends will tell you.

Medical science has made great progress, but a cure for delusion is yet to be found.
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Are you really a Pakistan fan?
 
Today's batting performance shows that we have a lot to improve upon and our no.1 ranking is misleading. Having Hafeez, Sarfaraz, Malik and out of form Talat in top 5 means that we will mostly struggle against oppositions who have quality fast bowlers. Today, one Stanlake was enough for our top order. Same Stanlake was taken to cleaners by Sharjeel on big Australian grounds.

We are going in a completely wrong direction when it comes to batting in T20s. Why are we playing accumulators along side Fakhar ? We should go with aggressive batsmen from both ends in the powerplay. This should be our top 5 in T20s.

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Nasir Nawaz
3. Babar/Farhan
4. Zeeshan Malik
5. Shadab Khan
 
The batting was outdone by Stanlake really. The rest were handled. Also partly why the lower order did better once Stanlake had bowled out his overs. Kind of worrying Pak batsmen's ability against pace.

There's a lack of players good against pace in the top order. In fact there isn't one, Fakhar isn't solid against pace really he's very hit or miss.

Babar coming back will make one player. Haris is probably needed too, as he can play pace. Also why it might have been idea to bring in an opener such as Kamran or Khurram.
 
ads101 said:
The batting was outdone by Stanlake really. The rest were handled. Also partly why the lower order did better once Stanlake had bowled out his overs. Kind of worrying Pak batsmen's ability against pace.

There's a lack of players good against pace in the top order. In fact there isn't one, Fakhar isn't solid against pace really he's very hit or miss.

Babar coming back will make one player. Haris is probably needed too, as he can play pace. Also why it might have been idea to bring in an opener such as Kamran or Khurram.
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Babar might improve things but to handle pace and bounce in T20s, we need players who are good at hook,pull and cuts. Selecting Haris, Kamran and Khurram at this stage means going two steps backwards.
 
Greenstorm said:
Babar might improve things but to handle pace and bounce in T20s, we need players who are good at hook,pull and cuts. Selecting Haris, Kamran and Khurram at this stage means going two steps backwards.
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The players you mentioned I've hardly seen or heard of (Nawaz, Zeeshan). Let them set it alight in domestic before we start seriously rating them for the international side. Farhan when I saw him in the PSL didn't look particularly impressive tbh, might be worth a try though. Shadab just has talent, but he isn't a proper batsman. He'll have to focus on his batting too much if we play him up the order, and he'll have to perform at a higher level if he is to hold down a batting position. Just isn't worth it, as we're reliant on him for the ball.

Haris for sure handles pace. Kamran from what I seen does to (and can hook, pull etc. against it). The problem with Kamran in the past was the fact he used to throw his wicket away. He could be changed.

Khurram I'm doubtful too, it's just the sheer weight of domestic performance as opener puts him in contention.

Azhar's not bad against pace (or at least was), it's just his way of playing pace is blocking it out rather than proactive scoring/gap finding, which is why he's not a suitable option in LOI. Haris isn't as bad at that.

In all honesty, I think Haris and Babar are by far the best players of pace in Pakistan. Haris might not be able to score at a great clip, but he'll handle the pace at least. And Kamran's the best in Pakistan domestic. Not much to say about the rest sadly.

Azhar's not bad against pace (or at least was), it's just his way of playing pace is blocking it out rather than proactive scoring/gap finding, which is why he's not a suitable option in LOI.
 
Mamoon said:
26-4 against a third string Australia. :)))

The best T20 team in the world ladies and gentleman, and arguably the greatest of all time as some of our friends will tell you.

Medical science has made great progress, but a cure for delusion is yet to be found.
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Look man, this is a one off and probably Pakistan is never going to be in a similar situation in the next matches but you really got yourself exposed here. I mean sure you feel "validated" over a single match but your celebration shows that your own ego transcends your wish to see the cricket team prosper. Medical science has made great progress, but a cure for narcissism is yet to be found.
 
The team is top class and i am happy to see deadwood like Hafeez, Muhammad Nawaz, Talat getting exposed.

It will help us improve our team further. Having babar, shehzad back is going to solve two issues and heck even Imad is better than the fraud Muhammad Nawaz is.
 
Really bad game by Pakistan need to find a better balance in the squad. This Pakistan team is really good but not the best we ever had 2009 squad and I'd even say the 2007 world t20 squad was amazing shame they couldn't win the world t20 but that squad was solid
 
The top 3 is not good enough in this series. Need to have a top 3 of Fakhar, Babar and Agha.
 
Slim said:
The team is top class and i am happy to see deadwood like Hafeez, Muhammad Nawaz, Talat getting exposed.

It will help us improve our team further. Having babar, shehzad back is going to solve two issues and heck even Imad is better than the fraud Muhammad Nawaz is.
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This team is the definition of garbage. Shehzad doesn't solve any problem in T20s, and while Babar is prolific, he is not a game-changing batsmen. This is not a one-off and this isn't an anomaly - it is a much need reality check for our deluded fans who were thumping their chests and asserting that apart from maybe England, this Pakistan team will start favorites against any team in the world. Nonsense.
 
hadi123 said:
Are you really a Pakistan fan?
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I am a Pakistani but I make no bones about the fact that we are a poor team in all formats. However, people are entitled to say whatever they want about me.
 
Hater is having a field day.

A bad day in the office. Backing these guys to win the tournament.
 
Mamoon said:
This team is the definition of garbage. Shehzad doesn't solve any problem in T20s, and while Babar is prolific, he is not a game-changing batsmen. This is not a one-off and this isn't an anomaly - it is a much need reality check for our deluded fans who were thumping their chests and asserting that apart from maybe England, this Pakistan team will start favorites against any team in the world. Nonsense.
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If Shehzad is expected to be the savior, situation must be desperate then. Batting I can understand, but why bowling was like this - it's not that jet lag or they were playing 1st game; which actually indicates the fear I had, Shinwary & Nawaz are the bowling version of FTB; very good against substandard teams, but found out at higher level.
 
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