Is this really happening in England? No swing, no seam movement!

[Stewie]

What's going on with cricket conditions around the world? It's becoming a homogenized paradise for batsmen. There was a time when playing in England was a huge challenge for batsmen with lots of movement in the air and off the seam.

The nature of wickets can kill the seam movement but why is the ball not swinging in the air in England in this game???

Global warming??? Or something else?

 

[Rayyman]

Actually at The Oval, there is pace, bounce and seam, but no swing. It's been like that for most of the recent past.

 

[Stewie]

I think it comes down to the balls. They don't make them like they used to anymore, particularly the white ones. The white balls used to swing a lot more in the 80s and 90s and now we just don't see that anymore.

But even at the oval, Watson and waqar wreaked havoc in the early 90s tour, mainly movement in the air decimated the England batsmen. Hard to say now if it's the skill, the ball or just an overall change in conditions due to weather.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Condition dictates it. Oval is always a decent batting surface. Also hit the deck bowlers cannot do much here.

 

[Rayyman]

Condition dictates it. Oval is always a decent batting surface. Also hit the deck bowlers cannot do much here.

Yes they can. Remember Wahab Riaz did well.

 

[Robert]

Sunny day means no orthodox swing.

Waqar and Wasim reverse swing is independent of atmospheric conditions and more to do with wear on the ball.

 

[Sherlock]

I do expect big scores in this tournament, especially if the practice games are anything to go by.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Didn't I tell you all ? After the 1999 WC debacle ICC decided that ICC tournaments should have neutral pitches and the host nation shouldn't benefit from playing in their home condition. Obviously pace friendly pitch meant teams like India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka would not be competitive outside their comfort zone and same can be said for Australia, Eng and NZ in spin bowling conditions. Unfortunately "neutral" pitches meant flat as it would be extremely difficult to prepare a pitch that is pace and spin friendly at the same time. This has hugely benefited the batters. This has been happening since 2000 Champions trophy and we are seeing a bigger impact as modern day bats are bigger, fielding restriction and 2 new ball rules are heavily favoured towards batters. That is why I said we shouldn't worry about condition in England.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Terrible conditions.

 

[Executioner]

There is not a hint of spin even

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's limited overs cricket , good batting tracks will be produced . If there's cloud cover you will see swing but spin won't be much only a little unless they keep the same tracks further into the tournament.

Track will stay the same for both innings , it's fair for both teams .

 

[Markhor]

Seems the only way to take wickets on these surfaces is if the batsmen make mistakes.

Not an even contest between bat and ball at all.

 

[Stewie]

It's limited overs cricket , good batting tracks will be produced . If there's cloud cover you will see swing but spin won't be much only a little unless they keep the same tracks further into the tournament.

Track will stay the same for both innings , it's fair for both teams .

I am not concerned about this being unfair to one team or another. It's more about the balance of the game. The bowlers the world over are suffering and that's what's unfair. Give something to the bowlers. Come on. Teams chasing 350 gets boring. Maybe we need a change to restore the balance and produce some tight contests.

 

[Kianig89]

That's why ODI,s have no future

 

[Hasan123]

England have been playing on flat tracks at home in LO for a few years now so this shouldn't be a suprise.

Would prefer more in the pitch for the bowlers. Watching teams rack up 350 plus consistently isn't fair on the bowlers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not concerned about this being unfair to one team or another. It's more about the balance of the game. The bowlers the world over are suffering and that's what's unfair. Give something to the bowlers. Come on. Teams chasing 350 gets boring. Maybe we need a change to restore the balance and produce some tight contests.

I understand but this was only the first match & played by arguably two of the weakest bowling line ups . Very rarely you see an even contest between bat & ball , one usually has the advantage depending on conditions.

 

[Mamoon]

Oval is the most batting-friendly surface in England, and has been so for a number of years now. In addition, London and the South East in general, have relatively better weather than the other parts of the country.

 

[Rana]

Nottingham is the biggest pancake in the world. I think average score there last year was 380 batting first

 

[Abdullah]

This is why pak needs to play their wicket taking bowlers. Everybody is gonna go for runs,
so I am tempted by shadab amir Hassan wahab and Imad as bowling line up.
Just give imad the new ball to the righties

 

[fast1975]

This is why pak needs to play their wicket taking bowlers. Everybody is gonna go for runs,
so I am tempted by shadab amir Hassan wahab and Imad as bowling line up.
Just give imad the new ball to the righties

since when wahab is a wicet taking bowler especially in odis

kar lo baat

 

[Coconut]

Not do sure what's OP trying to say here. U can't create pitches to swing the ball since it mostly depends on conditions. That very same pitch of yesterday would have been unplayable for the batsmen if the condition was damp and cloudy.


But yes u can leave live grasses on pitches to help the ball to seam around. But it has its own problems. Just imagine what would happen to the batsmen if they had to bat in cloudy overcast condition on a pitch like that. Nobody wants to see 170ish pitch in a tournament like this, right?

 

[Stewie]

they wont play Shadab. He is too green for this game. There is no way. Even though i think they should play it.

Amir, Hasan, Imad, Junaid, Faheem will probably be your bowlers. Hafeez and malik can come in if Faheem gets a bit of stick.

Wahab has done nothing to cement a place. I would actually play Shadab and sit out a batsman.

Most likely line up:

Azhar
Shehzad
Azam
Hafeez
Malik
Sarfaraz
Imad
Faheem
Amir
Junaid
Hasan

I would drop Imad and go with Shadab though,

 

[Stewie]

Not do sure what's OP trying to say here. U can't create pitches to swing the ball since it mostly depends on conditions. That very same pitch of yesterday would have been unplayable for the batsmen if the condition was damp and cloudy.


But yes u can leave live grasses on pitches to help the ball to seam around. But it has its own problems. Just imagine what would happen to the batsmen if they had to bat in cloudy overcast condition on a pitch like that. Nobody wants to see 170ish pitch in a tournament like this, right?

Then perhaps you need to re-read the original post. Inadequate comprehension skills are not my problem, bud.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Excellent conditions for batting giants India and Australia.

 

[Junaids]

What's going on with cricket conditions around the world? It's becoming a homogenized paradise for batsmen. There was a time when playing in England was a huge challenge for batsmen with lots of movement in the air and off the seam.

The nature of wickets can kill the seam movement but why is the ball not swinging in the air in England in this game???

Global warming??? �� Or something else?

The ICC actually directs groundsmen/curators for ODIs to produce "straw-coloured" pitches.

So we are dealing with a combination of:

1. Dead pitches.
2. Machine-sewn Kookaburra balls with a miniscule seam.
3. Short boundaries.
4. Fielding restrictions.
5. Ridiculous rules calling a "wide" anything that a batsman can't drive off the front foot.

And it delivers us these boring FTB-Fests

 

[Junaids]

Not do sure what's OP trying to say here. U can't create pitches to swing the ball since it mostly depends on conditions. That very same pitch of yesterday would have been unplayable for the batsmen if the condition was damp and cloudy.


But yes u can leave live grasses on pitches to help the ball to seam around. But it has its own problems. Just imagine what would happen to the batsmen if they had to bat in cloudy overcast condition on a pitch like that. Nobody wants to see 170ish pitch in a tournament like this, right?

But the white Kookaburra has virtually no lacquer on it and a tiny seam and quarter-seam.

 

[Jabo]

People already crying as they know Pak will be bowled out for 200 on these pitches still

 

[Abdullah]

since when wahab is a wicet taking bowler especially in odis

kar lo baat

He normally turns up in ICC tournaments and is our quickest bowler. I wouldn't trust him to bowl 10 overs everything, but as a captain i like the pace option up my sleeve. If the ball doesn't swing junaid will get smashed as much as wahab would, and on yesterday evidence...

 

[khurram39]

Amazed to see that too. No balance b/w bat n ball.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Kookaburra is a pathetic cricket ball with hardly any lacquer on it, especially the white one. That's all there is to it. It used to be good but the quality has deteriorated greatly over the years.

Give the bowlers a white dukes ball and they will make it talk.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kookaburra is a pathetic cricket ball with hardly any lacquer on it, especially the white one. That's all there is to it. It used to be good but the quality has deteriorated greatly over the years.

Give the bowlers a white dukes ball and they will make it talk.

Are you sure they are using Kookaburra there? Man that won't help reverse or even conventional as much as Duke or SG balls. SA, OZ, Srilanka are the only teams that play with this ball.

 

[smasher1980]

The problem is with the stupid rule of using 2 balls. There is barely any wear and tear on the ball. Especially in countries where the outfields are lush green.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

this is why we need 'steady' azhar

 

[waqar goraya]

People already crying as they know Pak will be bowled out for 200 on these pitches still

How can you deduce this from the OP or any other post in this thread?

 

[Mp812]

Either that or teams have learnt to make 300+ scores , no matter what the track courtesy T20 era,shorter boundaries, powerplays, two new balls in odi etc etc.

June 4 should be 300+ game I guess going by trend.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The ICC actually directs groundsmen/curators for ODIs to produce "straw-coloured" pitches.

So we are dealing with a combination of:

1. Dead pitches.
2. Machine-sewn Kookaburra balls with a miniscule seam.
3. Short boundaries.
4. Fielding restrictions.
5. Ridiculous rules calling a "wide" anything that a batsman can't drive off the front foot.

And it delivers us these boring FTB-Fests

And the monster bats.

 

[Stewie]

Well the bats are at least being regulated so that would help. But there needs to be a bit more tweaking with the pitches, playing conditions and the quality of the balls to bring the game into balance.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Well the bats are at least being regulated so that would help. But there needs to be a bit more tweaking with the pitches, playing conditions and the quality of the balls to bring the game into balance.

Actually the bats are not being regulated thst much. Even after October 2017 , mist if the current bats will stay and only ones with extraordinarily wide edges like Warner's bat will be outlawed. They should reduce the sizes a lil more IMO.

 

[Sidilicious]

Thats why for me 2011 WC was one of the best WCs/ICC events. There were low scoring games, high scoring games and scores of 260 ash were defendable with good totals. There was literally a bit of everything.

The last WC, though was just :faceplam

 

[yasir]

Its combination of pitches and quality of ball.

Pitches are now more T20 like rather than test like in ODIs for ICC tournaments. They are flat like road, now seam, no grip, no spin, with two new balls, its stays that way for most part.

Quality of ball seems to be designed in a way that swing goes away after 3/5 overs, final layers and packing of ball is such that it would not swing in the air that much. Duke red cherry still swings in England, on same ground and same wicket on exact same day, but these white balls are not going to swing no matter what.