Is this the end of Asif Ali and Haider Ali

[Muddaser]

Brainless hacks don't belong anywhere near the Pakistan national team. I wouldn't even have them in a PSL team.

Give me A fat Sharjeel and lazy Haris Sohail anyday of the week.

Also it is obvious Imad Wasim needs to return.

Honestly don't want to see the sight of these 2 garbage cricketers ever again.

 

[gazza619]

Yes it is for Asif Ali for sure.

Haider needs to be kept in the tour squad.

 

[MK7Z]

Asif Ali bye bye

Haider still need to be given time. He's still a kid so no its not the end for him, Not sure how you can even suggest that

 

[bujhee kom]

They are both useless. Pick a proper MO batsman for #4, maybe #5 too. Pk miss Shadab.

 

[Extreme Pace]

Should be, Asif Ali just seems a horrible player.

Haider Ali has some skill but no where near an international batsmen. Maybe in a few years but definitely not at this point.

 

[b.lesner]

Haider should be in squad and not playing 11 , Should play odd ODIs here and there and not t20

 

[Sunzi]

It needs to be. This middle order has been very weak over the course of the white ball series.

Beyond the top 3, there is no confidence in this collection of railu kattas to contribute enough with the bat or ball to warrant their inclusion. Give me 5 specialist bowlers and 6 bats over 3.5 bats and about 4-5 railu kattas.

 

[ameemlutfi]

Who takes their place ? Maqsood ? Azam khan ? Danish aziz ? Talat ?

 

[ekpakistani]

A resounding YES. Throw both of them out.

 

[Concerned]

The bigger question should be on what basis did Asif get selected?

 

[Shoaibbtt]

The bigger question should be on what basis did Asif get selected?

I think Pakistan are still searching for the answer of who will be our late order hitter and i hope that sinks in and we can be done with it.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Who takes their place ? Maqsood ? Azam khan ? Danish aziz ? Talat ?

Sohaib Moqsood or even Khurram Manzoor for me who had a great domestic season.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Asif Ali is a waste of a spot.
Everyone who was criticizing the management telling Haider Ali to slow down should see exactly why the management told him that.

 

[shariqnoor]

It should be, but then who gets in? Haris is getting old and injury prone. Sharjeel is a complete no for me because of his spot fixing.

Pakistan has no talent to replace already talentless players in the team. Either you stick with Haider Ali or you go back to recycling old players. If we have to recycle old players, then I'd go back to Sohaib Maqsood. Probably the only guy in the domestic who can hit sixes and has some semblance of a batsman. Not great but maybe we need to give him another go.

 

[Zaz]

This should be the end of asif for good Hes just not good enough
Haider probably needs a rest and to bat in domestics for a while

We need a proper middle order batsmen and a proper all rounder someone who can bat

Faheem and nawaz arent batters

 

[bujhee kom]

Pk batting stocks are low it seems. Still, Pk are 2 players from being a major threat. 1 or 2 MO players.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

COmplete end of the line for Asif Ali.
Haider needs to go back to domestics and get a few runs. Learn how to play proper long innings, then attempt a comeback but until then should be nowhere near the team

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Hussain Talat will come good once he overcomes his mental side of the game. He probably isn't doing well now.
Imad should directly walk in the team as he's a better batter and finisher than Asif Ali and can easily do well at no.6

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Remember when people called Umar Akmal a TTF and that we should move on from him and groom youngsters, 6 years later and look at where we are.* Youngstaa beauties

 

[Artaxerxes]

Asif Ali bye bye

Haider still need to be given time. He's still a kid so no its not the end for him, Not sure how you can even suggest that

Asif Ali is useless.Imad Wasim is a better batsman than Asif plus he can bowl as well.Pakistan need to find a proper middle order batsman.Not sure about Haider.He gives his wicket away too easily by playing stupid shots.Asif has no talent
so should not play for Pakistan in any format.

 

[Shaddy86]

End of the road for Asif Ali. Thankfully for him he can still make a decent living in PSL. Imad being left out is a bit of a joke, he replaces Nawaz for me. Get a proper batsman in place of Asif Ali or Shoaib Malik will be walking in for the World T20.

 

[Titan24]

Definitely not at all for Haider at 20-21 years of age, max a break if he isnt feeling that confident while he can nurture his game in domestic cricket. If a team isnt patient enough than they shouldnt select inexperienced young players to start with and if they do select ending their careers at such a thing would be last thing to do in my opinion.

For Asif Ali, it should have been already as he isnt reliable enough in my opinion. Yes can hit some on his day but, thats not good enough for international cricket with his current skillset.

 

[sindhiboy]

Pak have the option of sarfraz, Azam khan.

Or have shadab at no. 5 and imad at no
6
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[ritzy_123]

Asif Ali has to go.. I think Haider Ali really needs to spend some time with M. Yousuf

 

[Nasty Naz]

Obviously not for Haider Ali but certainly for Asif Ali. He has been give so many chances year after year and he has not produced a single match winning innings. And anything the middle order collapses and needs stabilization, Asif Ali just tends to make things even worse by playing slow and getting out after 10-15 balls.

He bring no fielding, can't bowl and is an extremely mediocre batsmen.

Haider Ali I am willing to give more chances to but he needs to stop getting out on same shots. But this is something that is workeable and Pakistan does need some lower order power hitting.

The real problem lies in who is the answer here? Malik, who should probably be retired by now? Khushdil? He has been awful. Iftikhar? I feel like Pakistan probably have to do something like Imad at 6, Shadab at 7, Faheem 8, Hasan 9, Qadir 10, Shaheen 11. You get 6 bowlers in that situation and at least a bit more reliability in Imad and Shadab has shown potential with the bat.

Hope they try some new combinations vs Zimbabwe.

 

[Ucdkee]

umar akmal?

 

[Baigel]

The problem isn’t with Haider’s skills. It’s with his mentality.

You can’t expect a guy who’s opened the innings his whole life to get bat at 5 and succeed from day one. He’s not a hitter, and we are going to ruin him by making him one. The mentality he has at 5 is ‘I’m going to hit from ball one because I’m a hitter’ and that’s completely wrong

Play him up the order, where he’s always played, and where he knows how to setup his innings and you will see him succeed

 

[sindhiboy]

umar akmal?

Honestly, Umar akmal would not be the worst option

 

[Greenstorm]

Haider should be persisted with. He has talent.

Hafeez and Asif are bigger worries.

 

[Rauf's_Lungs]

So did Khushdil Shah, shows what's that's worth.

 

[Muddaser]

To all the people saying Haider Ali needs to be given time.

For what? to grow a brain?

I'm sorry but you either have it or you don't.

 

[Muddaser]

Haider should be persisted with. He has talent.

Hafeez and Asif are bigger worries.

You can have all the talent in the world. It's useless without a brain.

Why can't Pakistani fans see our biggest issue is brainless cricketers. They lack the intellect to actually play cricket. We all saw that today.

 

[Baigel]

To all the people saying Haider Ali needs to be given time.

For what? to grow a brain?

I'm sorry but you either have it or you don't.

Kohli turned into a world beater 6 series into his international career?

 

[cricketerB94]

Should be the end of both, but knowing our team management, we'll see them in next series too.

The bigger problem is, who will replace them? We need no. 5 and no.6 in both limited overs formats, and they should be able to shift gears as well.

 

[sindhiboy]

The dumbest fans in the world are from Pakistan. Good reflection of the cricket team.

Better than asif ali at least

 

[Muddaser]

Kohli turned into a world beater 6 series into his international career?

Kohli won an Under 19 WC for his country as captain and performed with the bat.

Are you seriously comparing him to a brainless cricketer who has gifted his wicket in every innings he has played? We needed a run a ball today and he decides to loft a delivery to the legside fielder on the boundary.

Sorry but we aren't gonna win anything with idiots.

 

[Slim]

For Asif Ali, it should have been curtains after WC 2019 but somehow he kept coming back without any performance to his name. One of the worst players i have seen to play for Pakistan.

Haider Ali, we should give him some more time. His batting has been abysmal off late but he shouldnt be discarded so early.

Imad Wasim needs to come back in the team, and if they have to keep Sharjeel in the squad, might as well give him a chance at number 4 as well.

 

[Ahmed216]

Both Haider and Asif are not made for international cricket.
Asif doesn't have the talent Haider doesnt have a brain. For Haider to prove he does have a brain he needs to go back to domestics

 

[silentkiller187]

Haider still has time, but he needs to go and play some proper FC cricket for season or 2 and find himself a proper role. Asif Ali better not come back, id rather we picked up any old hack from PSL or even sharjeel to replace him

 

[hitthestump]

To all the people saying Haider Ali needs to be given time.

For what? to grow a brain?

I'm sorry but you either have it or you don't.

Totally agree. The argument that he is young doesn't hold water, he is definitely old enough not to keep playing these brainless shots each and every game. He is like Umar Akmal except Umar is 10x the batsman Haider was at this age.

 

[Muddaser]

Totally agree. The argument that he is young doesn't hold water, he is definitely old enough not to keep playing these brainless shots each and every game. He is like Umar Akmal except Umar is 10x the batsman Haider was at this age.

Exactly, I remember calling him a poor mans legside Umar Akmal here and many disagreed. The reason we are so far behind the top nations is because we are still stuck with the talent and technique obsession when the focus should be on temperament.

How much talent and technique did Javed Miandad have? His strength was Temperament. Same with Imran Khan.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

To all the people saying Haider Ali needs to be given time.

For what? to grow a brain?

I'm sorry but you either have it or you don't.

You know he’s only 20? He’s already shown how destructive he can be. Give him 2-3 years and you’ll be eating your words.

 

[Baigel]

Kohli won an Under 19 WC for his country as captain and performed with the bat.

Are you seriously comparing him to a brainless cricketer who has gifted his wicket in every innings he has played? We needed a run a ball today and he decides to loft a delivery to the legside fielder on the boundary.

Sorry but we aren't gonna win anything with idiots.

Yes. Yes I am.

Have some faith in the players who are going to succeed. It’s not everyday a batsman like Haider Ali makes it into the Pakistani team.

I want you to tell me, from the bottom of your heart, that Haider Ali isn’t the future of batsmen in Pakistan. Please

 

[Muddaser]

You know he’s only 20? He’s already shown how destructive he can be. Give him 2-3 years and you’ll be eating your words.

Give it a rest. I have watched cricket since the late 80s. He isn't the first brainless hack we have had.

If you don't have it at 22 you will not have it at 30 either. Man is talking like he is 14 years old.

Seen it with Afridi, Imran Nazir, Umar Akmal. He is next on the list.

We have all seen how destructive he has been to our middle order collapses.

 

[Muddaser]

Yes. Yes I am.

Have some faith in the players who are going to succeed. It’s not everyday a batsman like Haider Ali makes it into the Pakistani team.

I want you to tell me, from the bottom of your heart, that Haider Ali isn’t the future of batsmen in Pakistan. Please

Not everyday? Forgot Afridi, Nazir, Umar Akmal?

Future of Pakistan batsmen are Babar and Imam who actually put a price on their wicket and are hungry for runs.

Fact that you consider Haider a batsmen say it all.

 

[Rana]

Would much rather have Shoaib Malik and Imad Wasim instead of these two useless guys.

Sick and tired of being let down by people who are too scared to establish themselves at international level!

 

[Muddaser]

Would much rather have Shoaib Malik and Imad Wasim instead of these two useless guys.

Sick and tired of being let down by people who are too scared to establish themselves at international level!

I would too. Shoaib Malik and Imad walk into this team. I would have Haris Sohail in there too.

Honestly right now this is our best team.

Rizwan
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Malik/Haris
Imad
Shadab
Faheem
Hassan
Shaheen
Aamir

 

[Rana]

I would too. Shoaib Malik and Imad walk into this team. I would have Haris Sohail in there too.

Honestly right now this is our best team.

Rizwan
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Malik/Haris
Imad
Shadab
Faheem
Hassan
Shaheen
Aamir

Swap Shadab with Nawaz and Amir with Rauf, you have a team.

Rauf is unnecessarily underrated on this forum. He is a good bowler.

 

[Muddaser]

Swap Shadab with Nawaz and Amir with Rauf, you have a team.

Rauf is unnecessarily underrated on this forum. He is a good bowler.

Thats fine provided we have a middle order of Hafeez, Malik and maybe Haris too all playing. Imad takes one allrounder spot.

 

[Rana]

I have a feeling this will be Pakistan’s XI at the T20 World Cup:

1. Rizwan
2. Babar
3. Fakhar
4. Hafeez
5. Malik
6. Imad
7. Faheem
8. Nawaz
9. Hassan
10. Shaheen
11. Rauf

 

[Muddaser]

I have a feeling this will be Pakistan’s XI at the T20 World Cup:

1. Rizwan
2. Babar
3. Fakhar
4. Hafeez
5. Malik
6. Imad
7. Faheem
8. Nawaz
9. Hassan
10. Shaheen
11. Rauf

My only issue is Nawaz but its the same wicket Shadab. Both accumulators so don't really belong down there unless you are playing them as bowlers who can bat abit.

 

[PakEngFan]

Asif ali yes. In fact he shouldn't have ever made an appearance for Pakistan. While Haider Ali a 20 year old who clearly has some natural ability but has not foundation at the moment . Pakistani fans at their best. You guys want a finished article from day 1 it takes time look at Babar. I bet majority of the guys must have wanted him gone. Not saying Haider will turn into another Babar but lets hope he goes away and works on his game and comeback better. The guy has ability but is batting like Afridi these days.

 

[Muddaser]

Asif ali yes. In fact he shouldn't have ever made an appearance for Pakistan. While Haider Ali a 20 year old who clearly has some natural ability but has not foundation at the moment . Pakistani fans at their best. You guys want a finished article from day 1 it takes time look at Babar. I bet majority of the guys must have wanted him gone. Not saying Haider will turn into another Babar but lets hope he goes away and works on his game and comeback better. The guy has ability but is batting like Afridi these days.

No issue giving time to him if he had a brain. Only a person with a brain can learn from their mistakes. Haider like you said is Afridi these days and we all know Afridi never learnt.

 

[Saj]

It's the type of dismissal that's the biggest concern.

Same ordinary shots match after match.

I have some hope for Haider but Asif seems to have the same issues in his batting that he's always had.

Haris Sohail will be thinking, am I really that bad that I can't get picked ahead of Asif.

 

[Ahson8]

Lol, Haider is going to be a very good player for Pakistan.

 

[HussainZ]

OP should say tauba 100 times for mentioning Haider and Asif Ali in the same sentence

 

[yadunoe]

i would go with
rizwan
Fakhar
babar
hafeez
malik
imad
faheem
hassan ali
qadir
amir
shaheen
for world cup

 

[Canistani Hero]

Extremely ridiculous to bundle Asif with Haider. Asif is a proven failure, he should never be picked again. Haider is a wonderful talent, he needs to be nurtured. Haider will come good in the long run.

 

[iniqbal223]

Not an end of Asif Ali for sure as long as Misbah is there...

That is where I liked Mickey,, He would have thrown these absolute nonsense players under the bus long time ago.. actually not only he was a coach but also a great terminator in team selections

 

[PakEngFan]

No issue giving time to him if he had a brain. Only a person with a brain can learn from their mistakes. Haider like you said is Afridi these days and we all know Afridi never learnt.

Batting like afridi these days don't mean he will always bat the same way. The main point is he is talented and got the ingredients to be a very good limited overs bat. Some people on this thread are acting as if Pakistan has got tons of options. The problem is we don't so we he will be given a lot of oppurtunites to find his feet. It will be the same case with Abdullah Shafiq both of them will be given a long rope to establish themselves. Them coming good is another matter in its self but the talent is definitely there.

Can you highlight any names which should be tried? It's all good getting rid of players but what are the rrplacements. As much as I don't like Asif Ali but the only reason he keeps getting selected because the dreath of hard hitters in Pakistan. Having said that i rather still go for someone who can at least know how to bat. A lot of people were excited to see Danish Aziz but i am afriad he made Asif Ali look like a good batsmen.

 

[Sherlock]

Asif Ali, yes.

Haider Ali needs to be persisted with and is still very raw and young.

Also I'd like to point to in what basis is Nawaz better than Imad?

Imad can bat and his LOIs average is akin to top batsmen around the world. He keeps things tight with the ball too, and yet it was judged that Nawaz was a better all-rounder than him.

Faheem Ashraf is an inconsistent player too. Man has 1 or 2 decent games, and then reverts back to his old form of awfulness.

There's not a middle order batsmen that's reliable. In fact you'd get a better output if you just played Sarfraz there.

 

[Muddaser]

Batting like afridi these days don't mean he will always bat the same way. The main point is he is talented and got the ingredients to be a very good limited overs bat. Some people on this thread are acting as if Pakistan has got tons of options. The problem is we don't so we he will be given a lot of oppurtunites to find his feet. It will be the same case with Abdullah Shafiq both of them will be given a long rope to establish themselves. Them coming good is another matter in its self but the talent is definitely there.

Can you highlight any names which should be tried? It's all good getting rid of players but what are the rrplacements. As much as I don't like Asif Ali but the only reason he keeps getting selected because the dreath of hard hitters in Pakistan. Having said that i rather still go for someone who can at least know how to bat. A lot of people were excited to see Danish Aziz but i am afriad he made Asif Ali look like a good batsmen.

Haris Sohail, Shoaib Malik and Sharjeel walk into this team ahead of them.

 

[PakEngFan]

Haris Sohail, Shoaib Malik and Sharjeel walk into this team ahead of them.

Haris should always be in the odis and he has no business playing t20. Shoaib Malik has playing since the late 90s I believe and is past it. While sharjeel should be given a go in t20s. What about odis?

 

[Muddaser]

Haris should always be in the odis and he has no business playing t20. Shoaib Malik has playing since the late 90s I believe and is past it. While sharjeel should be given a go in t20s. What about odis?

They are better than brainless hacks like Haider and Asif. Even mentioning Haris in the same sentence as Haider and Asif is a disservice to him. A 40 year Malik offers more even now than them. Haider and Asif in ODIs? You are having a laugh. They don't have the temperament for T20s forget the 50 over format.

 

[skureishi]

Both need to go! Shouldnt be anywhere near a team like Zimbabwe let alone Pakistan

 

[hitthestump]

Haider could play international cricket but strictly as an opener where his brainlessness can be nullified through having the field up.

The problem is that opening is congested right now so it's gg for Haider.

 

[PakEngFan]

They are better than brainless hacks like Haider and Asif. Even mentioning Haris in the same sentence as Haider and Asif is a disservice to him. A 40 year Malik offers more even now than them. Haider and Asif in ODIs? You are having a laugh. They don't have the temperament for T20s forget the 50 over format.

I have said Asif is not good enough of domestics and shouldn't even play there. I like haris not sure where you got that haris is our second best odi bat but he's not a t20 bat doesn't even get picked in PSL. A 40 year old malik is a liability. I will remind you again Asif Ali should never ever play for Pakistan while Haider should go back to domestics and work on his game. But haris and malik are not the answers for t20. Though haris is a must in odis.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

....aaaand Ahmad inches towards a recall.

Can he be a lower middle order hitter for us? Some people say he always find fielders so if field spread out later could he be even more effective?

 

[Greenstorm]

You can have all the talent in the world. It's useless without a brain.

Why can't Pakistani fans see our biggest issue is brainless cricketers. They lack the intellect to actually play cricket. We all saw that today.

Who will replace him ?
This 'brainless cricketer' was among the top scorers in the only first class season that he played and has performed in PSL. He should play all games vs Zim, Yousaf should work with his technical issues once he is back.

 

[saeedhk]

This may be the end of Haider but Asif is not going anywhere. Till Misbah is the coach, Asif would be around.

 

[Muddaser]

Who will replace him ?
This 'brainless cricketer' was among the top scorers in the only first class season that he played and has performed in PSL. He should play all games vs Zim, Yousaf should work with his technical issues once he is back.

Which part don't you understand? A brainless cricketer cannot learn. Yousuf gonna grow him a brain?

Technical issues.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Asif Ali is a proven flop, and Haider is heading the same way. I have seen a couple of decent knocks from him, but I usually expect him to give his wicket away 90% of the time and he usually obliges.

Haider does look like he's got ability, but Umar Amin looked like he had a lot more, and he got dumped for not converting enough starts. Yet he probably performed more consistently than Haider. I don't really get why this guy is getting so many breaks.

 

[The Viper]

Get rid of Asif for sure, but Haider should be persisted with. Somebody needs to have a chat with and tell him to get in first and then play his shots. At the moment, he seems in a hurry. If he is more selective with his shots, he can be an asset for Pakistan. We have tried every middle order option really, and going back to somebody like Malik, who is aging and has flopped in big tournaments, would be regressive. Sticking with Haider would be the right call in the short term and long term.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Asif Ali is a proven flop, and Haider is heading the same way. I have seen a couple of decent knocks from him, but I usually expect him to give his wicket away 90% of the time and he usually obliges.

Haider does look like he's got ability, but Umar Amin looked like he had a lot more, and he got dumped for not converting enough starts. Yet he probably performed more consistently than Haider. I don't really get why this guy is getting so many breaks.

Amin ODI's: 18.06 AVG and 69.13 SR in 16 innings.
Haider ODI's: 21 AVG 127.27 SR in 2 innings.

Amin T20's: 15.77 AVG 115.44 SR in 9 innings
Haider T20's: 20.91 AVG 135.67 SR in 13 innings

No idea what the obsession with Amin is. He has been completely inept and awful at the International level. Not just bad but awful. His List A/T20 record is pretty mediocre as well. FC is the only area where it can be argued Amin should have been give more a shot.

Haider despite getting some starts and not kicking on is workable. A lot of is shot selection issue and does have the ability to play a modern game which not many Pakistani player seem to possess. His List A and FC track record in the early stages has been really good. Giving up on a 20 year doing all that who has a good domestic record and has a potentially elite SR in LOI would be pretty idiotic.

 

[Yasir_ch]

As long as that misbah useless worst thing is there Asif his buddy won't be going anywhere.

 

[shamaan]

Haider should be persist with but aside should be dropped

 

[ChTab]

This upcoming T20 series vs Zim would be huge for Haider. If he fails to perform I'll still pick him for the Eng tour & the WC because we don't have much firepower in our ranks.

 

[Muddaser]

This upcoming T20 series vs Zim would be huge for Haider. If he fails to perform I'll still pick him for the Eng tour & the WC because we don't have much firepower in our ranks.

Firepower? Getting out in 5 deliveries isn't gonna put a dent on the opposition. He is as reliable as Afridi with the bat. Atleast Afridi could bowl and his batting was a bonus.

 

[gazza619]

A little bird tells me that both Haider and Asif are going nowhere for now.

Well if thats the case then I would bat them at no.3 & 4 against Zim.

Might as well give them a proper last go.

 

[naseem]

I have seen the number of times haider flicks the bowl straight 2 fielder...so many times..until and unless ur fick is stronger...plz don't flick....just take a single......

Atleast 5 times he got out to this shot...

Problem for Haider is he is playing 80 percent t20 matches.....whereas he should have been playing atleast 60 percent first class