Is this the end of Mohammad Hafeez?

[MenInG]

Can he compete with other batsmen? Or will he appear on his batting alone?

 

[Cricket_Engineer]

Babar Azam is an ideal replacement. Ten times a batter and a handy off-spinner that can only develop. Seen him regularly pick up 3 wicket hauls etc.

 

[Cricket_Engineer]

In fact Babar Azam bowling right now on PTV sports for all to view against veterans Imran Farhat and Hasan Raza

 

[Varun]

Pretty sure he'll be picked as opener regardless.

 

[Bilal7]

Unless he rejigs his action like Ajmal or takes his batting to a new level, I don't know if he can keep playing purely as a batsman.

 

[kingusama92]

It might help him a bit to only focus on his batting. He's still a decent opener and will make the squad IMO.

Plus, he could always correct his action before the world cup.

 

[AZ]

- since WC2011, only Kohli (54) has a better average than Hafeez (50) batting at 3 in ODIs.

- Hafeez is also the highest rungetter for Pakistan in ODIs since WC2011

so his batting position is quite secure.

Pakistan will probably play this lineup to cover up his bowling ban:

Sarfraz (wk)
Shehzad
Hafeez
YK
Misbah (c)
Ukmal
Afridi
Anwar
Gul
Babar
Irfan


not a fan of opening with Sarfraz or with Afridi batting at 7, but don't have any choice at the moment.

 

[Fallen King]

Without his bowling, he is clearly as useless as player. This can be blessing in disguise because he has been playing at top order's position because he can bowl. That is outrageous. Unfortunately, this sort of theatrical has gone long enough.

Time to use specialist proper batsman at top order now. We still have one more alrounder who uses the similar excuse while occupies the spot that belongs to cricketer who can bat or bat accordingly to the situation.

Good riddance. Besides, we don't need spinners in OZ/NZ conditions. Well Done, ICC.

 

[Aman]

Pretty sure he'll be picked as opener regardless.

This.

People really under rate Hafeez, he's been one of Pakistan's best ODI batsmen the last few years.

 

[Cricket_Engineer]

^^ I think sometimes when people talk about stats don't paint the whole picture, that is it. He has been a hindrance otherwise we would love him to play, against top teams he has been absolute rubbish. He had one amazing series against SL and that's it, pure minnow basher. I'm not sure if you are also including the 2 hundreds against Australia but everyone feasted in that test series

 

[Aman]

^^ I think sometimes when people talk about stats don't paint the whole picture, that is it. He has been a hindrance otherwise we would love him to play, against top teams he has been absolute rubbish. He had one amazing series against SL and that's it, pure minnow basher. I'm not sure if you are also including the 2 hundreds against Australia but everyone feasted in that test series

Who is there to replace him?

X who hasn't played an international game before, Y and Z who haven't done anything at international level or 19 year old Z?

 

[pakistani pride]

- since WC2011, only Kohli (54) has a better average than Hafeez (50) batting at 3 in ODIs.

- Hafeez is also the highest rungetter for Pakistan in ODIs since WC2011

so his batting position is quite secure.

Pakistan will probably play this lineup to cover up his bowling ban:

Sarfraz (wk)
Shehzad
Hafeez
YK
Misbah (c)
Ukmal
Afridi
Anwar
Gul
Babar
Irfan


not a fan of opening with Sarfraz or with Afridi batting at 7, but don't have any choice at the moment.

He can never play as a batsmen. There are much better options. And can you also please show his average and sr vs all teams, please.

 

[Cricket_Engineer]

Who is there to replace him?

X who hasn't played an international game before, Y and Z who haven't done anything at international level or 19 year old Z?

No one, I am not wrist slitting but Pakistan haven't planned at all since 2011.

We have series with Zimbabwe and guess what, we sent a 'full strength' squad because few players wanted to score runs to secure their places.

We had no chance to begin with, I want this WC to be the end of many useless LOI players. Worse squad than 2011 because it is being played in Australia and we have no Ajmal. At least back then the squad were younger and fitter, but now PCB has given even greater preference to Shafiq

 

[Bhaijaan]

It is a blessing in disguise for him and the fans. He will come back as a better batsman.

 

[pakistani pride]

Who is there to replace him?

X who hasn't played an international game before, Y and Z who haven't done anything at international level or 19 year old Z?

Had we given a youngster a chance we might alreay had a replacement. The likes of misbah younis hafeez afridi asad are still very much keeping younger guys out.

Maqsood started with back to back 50s vs sa what hafeez can only dream of.

Why was maqsood pushed down the order?

 

[AZ]

He can never play as a batsmen. There are much better options. And can you also please show his average and sr vs all teams, please.

you don't have any Bradmans or Sachins waiting undiscovered in domestic cricket, please be real.

Pakistan have tried a truckload of batsmen since the last WC and none other than Shehzad & Jamshed have really impressed.

 

[JibranAnsari]

At one down hafeez has been good. He can play in odis but in tests we will have drop him.

 

[MenInG]

Without his bowling, he is clearly as useless as player. This can be blessing in disguise because he has been playing at top order's position because he can bowl. That is outrageous. Unfortunately, this sort of theatrical has gone long enough.

Time to use specialist proper batsman at top order now. We still have one more alrounder who uses the similar excuse while occupies the spot that belongs to cricketer who can bat or bat accordingly to the situation.

Good riddance. Besides, we don't need spinners in OZ/NZ conditions. Well Done, ICC.

Read post from AZ above

 

[Bilal7]

A lot depends on what the other batsmen do as well.

 

[aukhan]

The excuse of his bowling is crucial so he has to play as an opener will end now.

 

[pakistani pride]

you don't have any Bradmans or Sachins waiting undiscovered in domestic cricket, please be real.

Pakistan have tried a truckload of batsmen since the last WC and none other than Shehzad & Jamshed have really impressed.

I am real and hafeez just cant play a crucial knock as a batsmen. When has he delivered in a big game. He doest have the quality and he doesnt have the mental strength.

Had misbah and team mngt showed some guts and backed the likes of maqsood at 3 who started with back to back 50s hafeez would already been history.

 

[Cricket_Engineer]

Well Whatmore himself suggested that without bowling Hafeez wouldn't be in the team. He said "Unlike Shafiq, Hafeez has more than one string to his bow"

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-than-one-string-to-his-bow-quot-Dav-Whatmore

This was when Shafiq was out of the ODI team and rightly so, but somehow wormed his way back in. But PCB should now give a chance to someone young and deserving whilst Hafeez remediates his action, and then he can compete for his spot.

 

[JibranAnsari]

The odi series starting tomorrow will decide it for hafeez.

Pakistan will suffer a lot though without hafeezs bowling. 10 economical overs are always guaranteed.

 

[Boi]

About time Hammad or Babar Azam were brought in. The balance of our ODI side is going to look horrible now.

 

[Statsman]

you don't have any Bradmans or Sachins waiting undiscovered in domestic cricket, please be real.

Pakistan have tried a truckload of batsmen since the last WC and none other than Shehzad & Jamshed have really impressed.

Maqsood has been impressive too. Fawad Alam has had a good comeback.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Hafeez has most number of odi tons for pakistan in last 4 years.

 

[Pete Rose]

The end of Hafeez will be after the end of the World Cup. He has mountain of runs against soft opposition in easy conditions. The World Cup with its pitches and high pressure situations will be a different matter.

 

[hur rizvi]

Babar Azam is an ideal replacement. Ten times a batter and a handy off-spinner that can only develop. Seen him regularly pick up 3 wicket hauls etc.

Babar has a dubious action, dont think he will get away with these new testing procedures

 

[Fallen King]

Can he compete with other batsmen? Or will he appear on his batting alone?

Read post from AZ above

You gotta be kidding me. You agree with [MENTION=19532]AZ[/MENTION] post? You are long-time follower of Cricket since 80's.

* he mostly feasts on minnow
* he is inconsistent as batsman
* he is fragile batsman who chokes in under pressure which is more often
* he gets confident to bat sometimes after he bowls well - similar to Umar Akmal dilemma.
* there is reason why he gifted 15 wickets in a row to Steyn.
* he is pathetic in major tournament, contributes nothing as batsman
* he relies on dead-track to score, king in asia while donkey in overseas for a reason.
* he takes top order spot because he can bowl knowing that he is 10 times worse than others who don't get selected,
a) - their fielding must be pathetic
b) - they are not spinners or alrounders in any sense
c) - they weren't promoted as vice-captain and demoted later

I can go on but you have surprised me today. [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

 

[hur rizvi]

- since WC2011, only Kohli (54) has a better average than Hafeez (50) batting at 3 in ODIs.

- Hafeez is also the highest rungetter for Pakistan in ODIs since WC2011

so his batting position is quite secure.

Pakistan will probably play this lineup to cover up his bowling ban:

Sarfraz (wk)
Shehzad
Hafeez
YK
Misbah (c)
Ukmal
Afridi
Anwar
Gul
Babar
Irfan


not a fan of opening with Sarfraz or with Afridi batting at 7, but don't have any choice at the moment.

That bowling attack is atrocious

Only 5 options and 3 of them are Anwar, Gul and Babar

 

[Asif321]

Hafeez cant play only as batsmen specially overseas . better play a geninue batsmen . hafeez will be waste of space now

 

[Fallen King]

Babar has a dubious action, dont think he will get away with these new testing procedures

I can assure you that his action is absolutely clean. The only way to counter his bowling is to step ahead of the crease and attack, then he will be useless as spinner then. I am surprised Australian batsmen didn't utilize this trick unlike NZ batsmen, well some of them did.

His bowling is clean, no sign of kink at all. He will be effective only to non-Asian teams. Asian teams will eat him alive.

 

[pakistani pride]

You gotta be kidding me. You agree with [MENTION=19532]AZ[/MENTION] post? You are long-time follower of Cricket since 80's.

* he mostly feasts on minnow
* he is inconsistent as batsman
* he is fragile batsman who chokes in under pressure which is more often
* he gets confident to bat sometimes after he bowls well - similar to Umar Akmal dilemma.
* there is reason why he gifted 15 wickets in a row to Steyn.
* he is pathetic in major tournament, contributes nothing as batsman
* he relies on dead-track to score, king in asia while donkey in overseas for a reason.
* he takes top order spot because he can bowl knowing that he is 10 times worse than others who don't get selected,
a) - their fielding must be pathetic
b) - they are not spinners or alrounders in any sense
c) - they weren't promoted as vice-captain and demoted later

I can go on but you have surprised me today. [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Great post.
I just pray misbah and waqar think like this but i am afraid they wont.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Hafeez will be our top scorer in the wc.

 

[Kianig89]

It will be a travesty if he makes the playing XI now

 

[Buffet]

I recon he will play as a batsman and meanwhile work on fixing his action. He wasn't chuking big like Sena or Ajmal. I think he can surely fix his action.

He may not be a gun batsman but then Pakistan is not filled with gun batsmen to begin with.

 

[Aman]

You gotta be kidding me. You agree with [MENTION=19532]AZ[/MENTION] post? You are long-time follower of Cricket since 80's.

* he mostly feasts on minnow
* he is inconsistent as batsman
* he is fragile batsman who chokes in under pressure which is more often
* he gets confident to bat sometimes after he bowls well - similar to Umar Akmal dilemma.
* there is reason why he gifted 15 wickets in a row to Steyn.
* he is pathetic in major tournament, contributes nothing as batsman
* he relies on dead-track to score, king in asia while donkey in overseas for a reason.
* he takes top order spot because he can bowl knowing that he is 10 times worse than others who don't get selected,
a) - their fielding must be pathetic
b) - they are not spinners or alrounders in any sense
c) - they weren't promoted as vice-captain and demoted later

I can go on but you have surprised me today. [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Yeah those great outswinging deliveries from an undisputed future ATG of the game were a piece of cake to handle.

 

[Aman]

I recon he will play as a batsman and meanwhile work on fixing his action. He wasn't chuking big like Sena or Ajmal. I think he can surely fix his action.

He may not be a gun batsman but then Pakistan is not filled with gun batsmen to begin with.

There are, refer to post Post #11.

 

[Pete Rose]

Yeah those great outswinging deliveries from an undisputed future ATG of the game were a piece of cake to handle.

Can your guys repeat the dose in the odi series so that we can move on without him.

 

[Aman]

Can your guys repeat the dose in the odi series so that we can move on without him.

I doubt it.

Hafeez doesn't fear us so he won't play under pressure.

If Boult and Southee were playing and if there was some swing on offer, yeah he would have probably been toast.

 

[waleed88]

Hafeez the batsman without the bowler is no use.

 

[Saj]

The problem the selectors have is that the world cup is in NZ and Australia.

Hafeez's batting average in ODIs in Australia and New Zealand is 21.90.

 

[Mamoon]

He's a good enough batsman to make it to the ODI team on batting alone and he will, his selection is not doubtful by any means.

His batting average in Australia and NZ is low but he hasn't played in Australia since his comeback and got his first ODI hundred in the 5 match series in NZ in 2010/2011.

He's as likely as anyone in the team to score on flat tracks and the World Cup will not be short on them. His problem is swing and seam, not bounce.

He should enjoy the extra pace and bounce in Australia and NZ because he is very good of the backfoot and is our best puller.

 

[miandadrules]

A non-bowling Hafeez as an opener.
A deer in headlights Younis Khan at 3.
Misbah incapable of rotating the strike at 4.
Not a bowler, not a batsman always a scheming cancer Afridi as an all rounder.

Throw in Shoaib Malik and I think we have a team that will not only win this World Cup but do so undefeated.

 

[London_Lahori]

I'd imagine his action doesn't need much work tbh. He'll be ok to bowl in time for the WC.

 

[miandadrules]

He's a good enough batsman to make it to the ODI team on batting alone and he will, his selection is not doubtful by any means.

His batting average in Australia and NZ is low but he hasn't played in Australia since his comeback and got his first ODI hundred in the 5 match series in NZ in 2010/2011.

He's as likely as anyone in the team to score on flat tracks and the World Cup will not be short on them. His problem is swing and seam, not bounce.

He should enjoy the extra pace and bounce in Australia and NZ because he is very good of the backfoot and is our best puller.

He is a very poor backfoot player. Even when hooking or pulling his weight is on the front foot.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

He will improve his action, he looks borderline case. Also he was not a front-line spinner, he was expected to bowl his 10 overs quota with good economy rate, which he certainly perform with modified action. Its easier for him.

 

[Mamoon]

He is a very poor backfoot player. Even when hooking or pulling his weight is on the front foot.

One of the few players in the team who can score runs of the short deliveries. Only bowlers with genuine pace like Johnson, Morkel etc will trouble him with the short balls but same goes for everyone in the team.

He'll enjoy pulling the trundlers and score runs of the backfoot. I don't think Pakistan has able replacements yet. The talk of Babar Azam etc is premature, needs to be introduced post-World Cup.

 

[Juansar_07]

PCB will still stick with him no matter if he can't bowl.He is decent with the bat and one of pakistan's better batsman in the current lot.He looks elegant on his day especially if the ball is not talking much.But,still a big blow for the team,loss of his 10 overs would hurt pakistan big time and they need to devise a plan quickly to cope with this situation supposing Hafeez fails to modify his action before time which i think was marginal.

 

[Barragan]

Is he a better batsman than Babar Azam or Sami Aslam?

I think everyone knows the answer to that question.

Although, he can keep his place in the T20 team.

 

[miandadrules]

One of the few players in the team who can score runs of the short deliveries. Only bowlers with genuine pace like Johnson, Morkel etc will trouble him with the short balls but same goes for everyone in the team.

He'll enjoy pulling the trundlers and score runs of the backfoot. I don't think Pakistan has able replacements yet. The talk of Babar Azam etc is premature, needs to be introduced post-World Cup.

His first movement is a forward press with the left leg. On slow subcontinent pitches against trundlers he is able to shift some weight back in playing the pull or hook but even then he catches it on the outer half of the bat, hence why if you watch carefully he is never truly in control of those shots.

On quicker surfaces even against decent trundlers he will be exposed.

His flawed technique of planting his left leg as his trigger movement is also why he is vulnerable to LBWs.

Under no circumstances should he be opening.

 

[Bosch]

Yes he's a goner.

 

[Juansar_07]

Is he a better batsman than Babar Azam or Sami Aslam?

I think everyone knows the answer to that question.

Although, he can keep his place in the T20 team.

We are yet to see them play at the top level.These guys are surely the future prospects but considering the WC there's no one better than Hafeez to replace him as of now.Also,PCB would play safe and may abide experience over guys who are yet to make a debut also the fact that its too untimely now.

 

[Barragan]

We are yet to see them play at the top level.These guys are surely the future prospects but considering the WC there's no one better than Hafeez to replace him as of now.Also,PCB would play safe and may abide experience over guys who are yet to make a debut also the fact that its too untimely now.

You don't need experience to be successful in the WC and Inzi has proved that.

One of those two, can be our next star like Inzi.

 

[Justcrazy]

Without his bowling, he is clearly as useless as player. This can be blessing in disguise because he has been playing at top order's position because he can bowl. That is outrageous. Unfortunately, this sort of theatrical has gone long enough.

Time to use specialist proper batsman at top order now. We still have one more alrounder who uses the similar excuse while occupies the spot that belongs to cricketer who can bat or bat accordingly to the situation.

Good riddance. Besides, we don't need spinners in OZ/NZ conditions. Well Done, ICC.

Bang on mate [emoji106]

 

[Mamoon]

His first movement is a forward press with the left leg. On slow subcontinent pitches against trundlers he is able to shift some weight back in playing the pull or hook but even then he catches it on the outer half of the bat, hence why if you watch carefully he is never truly in control of those shots.

On quicker surfaces even against decent trundlers he will be exposed.

His flawed technique of planting his left leg as his trigger movement is also why he is vulnerable to LBWs.

Under no circumstances should he be opening.

I don't think he should be opening either, but I think he does have a place in the team in the middle order as batsman but obviously he's not a vital part anymore (unless he fixes his action) and won't last for long but as far as the near future and World Cup is concerned, I will take him.

We need stroke players in the team to negative Misbah and Younis.

 

[Pete Rose]

He is toast in World Cup.
Unfortunately pcb will carry him their to learn it

 

[Justcrazy]

Bad signs for Pakistan here.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

if he cant fix his action before the WC then yes it is. I may have some hope he can do well in NZ at 3, but as an opener he cant do much more than Minnow bash. Unfortunely Younis is here to bat at 3 and play some 'battling' innings and

 

[AlCapone]

He's rated as the best all-rounder in the world right now, so his banning is a huge loss for Pakistan.

 

[AZ]

He can never play as a batsmen. There are much better options. And can you also please show his average and sr vs all teams, please.

please go ahead and name these 'better options'.

and I mean genuine proven players, not youngster beauties who 'could' be better.

 

[Abdullah719]

Four years later, we're asking the same question.

 

[topspin]

Four years later, we're asking the same question.

Waiting for his drama shortly to follow first

 

[mirza105]

is this true

 

[The_Odd_One]

Mickey has systematically removed Hafeez from the team.

 

[DRsohail]

Well done Micky Arthur .

 

[ChuckLee]

If Pakistan lose the Asia cup. Hafeez will return.

 

[The Googly]

Hopefully no more Hafeez

Shezad, Rahat, Butt and the Akmals also finished hopefully.

Just need the following to join the exit gate :

Shan
Nawaz
Malik
Imad

 

[Justcrazy]

Arthur played his cards well.

 

[Majid Khan]

Hafeez to do a press conference shortly, will it be retirement announcement or Mujhe Kyun Nikala campaign start?

 

[j_kazmi]

I called this at the start of the year.

All my prediction from the 2018 prediction thread are slowly coming true

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Hafeez to do a press conference shortly, will it be retirement announcement or Mujhe Kyun Nikala campaign start?

And here I was about to take a well deserved nap, should get some popcorn instead

 

[Mamoon]

According to some sources, he will announce his retirement.

A very sad week for cricket this. Two legends of the game have walked away - Cook and Hafeez. It is up for debate who the bigger cricketer was though.

 

[Amjid Javed]

According to some sources, he will announce his retirement.

A very sad week for cricket this. Two legends of the game have walked away - Cook and Hafeez. It is up for debate who the bigger cricketer was though.

Its really clear how emotionally upset you are with hafeez retiring.

 

[Naim]

Hafeez to do a press conference shortly, will it be retirement announcement or Mujhe Kyun Nikala campaign start?

That canpaign has bees stardet from yesterday. Journalists are crying that he was senior cricketer PCB should respet him and blah blah blah . Although on his tweets 90% poeple were not agreed with him.

 

[Mamoon]

Its really clear how emotionally upset you are with hafeez retiring.

Indeed I am very sad today. I hope the reports are false, and he is only throwing a tantrum.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

 

[Mueez]

The most underrated Pakistan player of this decade.

 

[shariqnoor]

Pakistani fans have never really given Hafeez the recognition he deserved.

Hafeez has limitations for sure - he's a literal walking wicket in seaming conditions. But Hafeez also has some redeeming qualities and the biggest one was his bowling (chucking aside). His all round skills have won Pakistan lots of matches. He was instrumental as part of our 3 pronged spin attack along with Ajmal and Afridi that used to suffocate batsmen around the world.

The problem with Pakistani fans is that we tend to judge a player with only one barometer and then our expectations remain constant across all conditions. Hafeez's Test record in Asia is 50+ average at a SR of 57. That is world class. If we based our expectations of Hafeez only on him being an Asian player with pockets of utility in other conditions, we might've appreciated Hafeez's contribution more.

Sure, Hafeez has not helped himself with throwing tantrums but then who doesn't in Pakistan. I for one think Hafeez has been an excellent servant for Pakistan and deserves some recognition for his services. However I also believe that it's time for him to say goodbye to international cricket.

 

[MenInG]

Advice coming thick and fast for Hafeez

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dont let the Set backs divert your moral in life you should be brave enough to face the consequences or the failures.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MohammadHafeez?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MohammadHafeez</a> should not go againt the PCB's decision.Fight it back come back strong and think about the larger picture in life and serve ur country!</p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1037273851015688193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2018</a></blockquote>
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