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Is this the series in which we are going to see Mohammad Amir's rebirth?

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Aamir has been a class apart from the other Pakistani bowlers so far in this match and it's the first time i've see him look this threatening since 2010. Do you think this series could be the one where Aamir finds rhythm and pace and swing and transforms into a world class quick? Your thoughts?
 
Yes because the team he is bowling against is so full of ATG batters.
 
He has bowled really well in this match. His swing is back which is a great sign going into the Champions trophy.
 
MRSN said:
He has bowled really well in this match. His swing is back which is a great sign going into the Champions trophy.
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Yes but he was always good for ODI's. It was only in tests that his performances were somewhat underwhelming.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yes but he was always good for ODI's. It was only in tests that his performances were somewhat underwhelming.
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even in ODIs his 'unlucky' tag was being ridiculed by many posters here. I think this spell will boost his confidence overall.
 
MRSN said:
He has bowled really well in this match. His swing is back which is a great sign going into the Champions trophy.
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What the hell does this even mean? He's been swinging the ball whenever the conditions and ball allowed for swing.
 
Young amir got this swing while bowling @ 145+ he is now a 135-140 bowler even if he gets his swing back his ceiling is close to Trent Boult and not Starc orignal Amir was more close to Starc range
 
Hopefully it boosts his confidence for champions trophy. Could get some swing friendly conditions in the tournament. Amir in this form will be a handful.

He's bowled in the right areas and bowled with good control and pace.

Inshallah the 1st of many 5fers.
 
Xoib said:
Young amir got this swing while bowling @ 145+ he is now a 135-140 bowler even if he gets his swing back his ceiling is close to Trent Boult and not Starc orignal Amir was more close to Starc range
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Clueless post. Amir's not a one pace bowler. He's bowled many 145ks spells since his return.
 
Xoib said:
Not in test cricket he was 130-135 in england he has improved to 135-140 now needs to be in 140-145 range to match Starc
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He did not bowl at one pace in England. He bowled so many overs, he'd have broken down had he gone full out. He bowled 140+ consistently in Australia.

It's pointless bowling fast with the Dukes. You'd rather maximize swing. When it reverses that's when you bend your back.

Finally, his action and physical strength has not fully returned. It's still work in progress.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
What the hell does this even mean? He's been swinging the ball whenever the conditions and ball allowed for swing.
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In England Rahat outperformed him in bowling..you can't get better bowling conditions than that. It's simply he was not consistent enough like this. I'm not saying he wasn't good but he wasn't as good as we expect him.
 
Xoib said:
Not in test cricket he was 130-135 in england he has improved to 135-140 now needs to be in 140-145 range to match Starc
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He was bowling 130-135 in England, New Zealand. That was because he wanted to swing it in those conditions.

In Australia he was bowling 140-145. Starc and Wahab were actually 145-150 range.

Now he is in 135-140 because it's a green pitch.
 
The Spike Dudley who opened the thread trying to give Amir badwa :))
 
Chief Destroyer said:
He did not bowl at one pace in England. He bowled so many overs, he'd have broken down had he gone full out. He bowled 140+ consistently in Australia.

It's pointless bowling fast with the Dukes. You'd rather maximize swing. When it reverses that's when you bend your back.

Finally, his action and physical strength has not fully returned. It's still work in progress.
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I don't know much about Bio-mechanics, but what's missing in Amir's action post ban ?
 
MRSN said:
In England Rahat outperformed him in bowling..you can't get better bowling conditions than that. It's simply he was not consistent enough like this. I'm not saying he wasn't good but he wasn't as good as we expect him.
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English conditions aren't always overcast. But even in England he swung the ball, he wasn't effective because he wasn't attacking the stumps and bowled a rubbish length.
 
Well he gets some swing after every three months.. next swing spell will come against bangladesh.
 
MRSN said:
In England Rahat outperformed him in bowling..you can't get better bowling conditions than that. It's simply he was not consistent enough like this. I'm not saying he wasn't good but he wasn't as good as we expect him.
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I know lots of people use this excuse, but there were some dropped catches. At least in England.

Also Rahat didn't outperform him. He bowled rubbish deliveries with a jaffa once in a blue moon.
 
Bowling in conductive conditions has never been a problem.
 
Rinnegan Sasuke said:
I don't know much about Bio-mechanics, but what's missing in Amir's action post ban ?
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http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...on-Apr-21-25-2017-Day-1&p=9202853#post9202853

Chief Destroyer said:
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When he can maintain this extension, get his front leg across and hips more side-on. He doesn't have the glute or core strength yet. Right now he's just going straight down the line. Isn't getting the same bounce from his base.
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When he can maintain this extension, get his front leg across and hips more side-on. He doesn't have the glute or core strength yet. Right now he's just going straight down the line. Isn't getting the same bounce from his base.

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Waqar should get in touch with Amir. Work with him for a month or so if he can. No one understands Amir better. He's Waqar's product.
 
CD,good posts above do you think Amir will ever be able to return to his pre ban action or is it gone for ever ?have you seen him making an effort to get back to it or is he unaware of the issues plaguing him.
 
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He isn't quiet there yet as far as 2010 Amir is concerned you can see that from his action but his control with the ball has been a positive in this game
 
And easy way to look at is from a boxing point of view, Amir is standing square in front of his opponent and prone to getting KO'd but if his stance is side on then the degrees of motion increase when it comes to movement and variety; we can apply the same logic to his bowling action.
 
Good to see a good performance from Amir.

Hope he can now maintain it and even perform in unfriendly conditions.
 
Xoib said:
CD,good posts above do you think Amir will ever be able to return to his pre ban action or is it gone for ever ?have you seen him making an effort to get back to it or is he unaware of the issues plaguing him.
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Yes, he can get it back. He's aware where he's lacking and working with Azhar on them. They've watched his pre-ban videos.

The major area he's lacking is mobility in the hips. This wasn't a problem in 2010 because he was so active. He's not on top of his legs when he's bowling. The torso is always falling over whereas previously he used to bounce off the ground from the bottom up, like a rubber band. His muscle elasticity is still there but he lacks the strength to maintain that extension.
 
Good bowling in this match unlike our other bowlers, he is returning to his best.
 
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You can't just show up in good conditions and expect to take wickets, it takes skill !
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I know, why is why I consider Anderson a great bowler. If Amir can consistently make use of good conditions, I will consider him a great bowler as well. However, the hype of him surpassing Wasim etc. cannot be justified unless he deliveries on flat pitches with the sun out. Something he has failed to do in his career so far, except the Melbourne Test in 2009-2010.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Yes, he can get it back. He's aware where he's lacking and working with Azhar on them. They've watched his pre-ban videos.

The major area he's lacking is mobility in the hips. This wasn't a problem in 2010 because he was so active. He's not on top of his legs when he's bowling. The torso is always falling over whereas previously he used to bounce off the ground from the bottom up, like a rubber band. His muscle elasticity is still there but he lacks the strength to maintain that extension.
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Brilliant explanation :14:
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Yes, he can get it back. He's aware where he's lacking and working with Azhar on them. They've watched his pre-ban videos.

The major area he's lacking is mobility in the hips. This wasn't a problem in 2010 because he was so active. He's not on top of his legs when he's bowling. The torso is always falling over whereas previously he used to bounce off the ground from the bottom up, like a rubber band. His muscle elasticity is still there but he lacks the strength to maintain that extension.
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Impressive. Thanks for the explanation.

Yet Azhar gets bashed all the time. We desis are obsessed with big names the reason we don't give the FLower's or Mahmood's any credit.
 
Rayyman said:
He was bowling 130-135 in England, New Zealand. That was because he wanted to swing it in those conditions.

In Australia he was bowling 140-145. Starc and Wahab were actually 145-150 range.

Now he is in 135-140 because it's a green pitch.
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I tend to agree. Even when he was 18 it impressed me how he bowled flat out & seriously quick in OZ (150 a few times) but slowed 10ks & controlled the swing next up in England.

He's always been clever like that, I wonder if he'll ever find that last 5k to 150 again though.
 
I'm a big fan but hey, we're playing against a weak team in seam favorable conditions. Even Ishant Sharma looked threatening when he last played there. Let's wait for tougher series.. but he is getting into the groove for sure..
 
Not sure why we need to compare him with bowlers from other countries. He is needed for Pakistan. We put in Mohammad Abbas and Wahab in the same attack and Amir ends up with 6/44. Clearly he is our best bowler right now.
 
Excellent bowling, something he and we should be proud of. I would leave it at that. I am 35 and after seeing 25 yrs of cricket, I have seen bowlers who bowl exceedingly well when playing against not so strong team and become mediocre when playing against better teams. Eventually its not the skill but fortitude that builds destiny, i hope he wins matches against better teams.
 
Wish he would do something about his batting also.
 
Again. Now it's 1 year.

Amir is unable to bowl a straight delivery with upright seam.


He needs 2-3 weeks with Wasim.

Bowling mini cutters when he doesn't want to bowl inswinger to right handers.
 
Bowling really well today so far, Bishop full of praise and also crediting Azhar for working on Amir's seam position.
 
Been a joy to watch today. Bouncers, fuller deliveries, swing, looked a threat in every spell and maintained his pace.
 
He's starting to get that explosion at the crease back. The front arm is really working now. Hips not as mobile yet to get fully side-on but there's improvement there as well.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
He's starting to get that explosion at the crease back. The front arm is really working now. Hips not as mobile yet to get fully side-on but there's improvement there as well.
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How much more improvement required until he becomes Amir 1.0?

Rate him out of 10 at the moment, 10 being pre-ban Amir.
 
The best thing is that he is swinging the ball again which he has struggled to do since his return.

Whatever the changes are in terms of technical, mental etc amendments, they have worked and are good signs for the future.
 
I wouldn't really rate this performance seeing the quality of batting from the WI. They possess zero threat. We will see how much Amir has improved in the CT.
 
Disagree MRSN, he's bowled much better this series.

He's been more accurate and swinging the ball when it's been there to swing.

These aspects were missing from his bowling so it's nice he's improved there.

His workload still needs to be managed - he can't play every match on every format.
 
Much deserved returns for amir in this series so far it will do his confidence world of good. Hes probably bowled better in parts in other games since his comeback and not got results hes deserved. Its good to see hes moving the ball again and his game intellifence is there.
 
needs to improve his batting in tests, coming across quite lazy with his feet movement. He should be averaging 20 with the bat imo
 
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