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Is Umar Akmal’s weight a deal-breaker?

Junaids

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We all know that Umar Akmal alone in Pakistan has a proven technique on Aussie wickets which are so similar to South Africa’s.

And now is a desperate moment. The mental disintegration of Imam-ul-Haq, the retirement of Mohammad Hafeez and the injury to Fakhar Zaman have suddenly made Azhar Ali an opener again later this month in South Africa.

So there is a huge gap in the middle order.

None of the young batsmen have played and performed in fast, bouncy conditions.

It’s really Umar Akmal or bust.

But he’s still overweight.

I remember the exact same issue with England’s 1998 football World Cup squad.

Paul Gascoigne had performed wonderfully seven months earlier in Rome to get England to the World Cup, but he turned up to the pre-tournament camp 10 kg overweight, as usual before a big tournament.

And the coach Glenn Hoddle had an alternative - a youngster called David Beckham had just finished his breakthrough season.

So Hoddle took Beckham and left Gazza at home.

And all went well until Beckham got himself sent off in the Quarter Final against Argentina. And with no Beckham, England needed Gazza to keep the ball. And he wasn’t in the squad. An hour later they had been eliminated.

It looks the same to me now.

For perfectly good reasons, Mickey Arthur and Inzamam have decided to move forward without Umar Akmal and Mohammad Asif.

But with no settled opener and with Mohammad Abbas injured, all of a sudden Pakistan needs those players for South Africa - it’s far too late to groom anybody new.

We all know that Asif won’t be picked.

But is Umar Akmal’s fitness a deal-breaker?

Gazza’s was. And the decision to leave him at home was a disaster.

This risks being Mickey Arthur’s Pakistan equivalent of Homeworkgate.

South Africa’s batting is so poor that Pakistan should have won this series had they arrived early enough.

But if the batting fails in the absence of Umar Akmal and they lose 3-0, will Mickey Arthur’s own position be at risk?
 
No his lack of cricket intelligence is a bigger issue
 
No his lack of cricket intelligence is a bigger issue
But isn’t the question “Can Umar Akmal be a Horses For Courses Selection to bat like Azhar Mahmood in South Africa?”

Could he come in at 60-4 against a saggy, seamless 25 over old Kookaburra ball and score 120 off 160 balls before getting out to the second new ball?

Because if the answer is yes, he could turn 60-4 into 300 all out.
 
But isn’t the question “Can Umar Akmal be a Horses For Courses Selection to bat like Azhar Mahmood in South Africa?”

Could he come in at 60-4 against a saggy, seamless 25 over old Kookaburra ball and score 120 off 160 balls before getting out to the second new ball?

Because if the answer is yes, he could turn 60-4 into 300 all out.

According to MMHS that's all true.
 
Thread # million on UA?? That ship has sailed guys. Don't go back to the rotten TTFs all you will get is embarrassment not a WIN for pak:ssmith
 
Depends on yo-yo test score.

As you rightly pointed out how are Sarfraz and Imad in the team? - because we all know for a fact the former struggles running between the wickets and doesn't convert those ones into twos so much like he used too up until the 2016 ODI series in England.

Before anyone brings up Sarfraz's yo-yo score I don't believe that the number disclosed is authentic, it's like Pakistanis with their fake degrees.
 
According to MMHS that's all true.

Tag me :) if your really want me to get involved.

You see, here in PP me & [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] are probably 2 biggest Test addicts - we watch lots of Test match, we analyze, agree, disagree, argue lots of issues .... but you'll never be bored if you pay attention, and you'll hardly be surprised with the outcome. Test cricket is a different beast - you have to see it as a tactical 4 years war, not 3 days battle. Me & Junaids were only 2 here kept telling that 2016 ENG tour'll be much, much closer than everyone things - just one example.

You know, you tagged me after we were all-out for 44 - even that day I said that WIN is coming to return tour in this winter and boys will settle the score. Do you think this is just from emotion? This Test game is much, much more complex than it looks.

You see, Junaids is in AUS & I am at Canada - never discussed this before, but in separate posts at same time, both of us have listed Umar at No. 6 for SAF tour ..... why not No. 4 or 5 or 3; why specifically No. 6? How 2 people living in 15 hours time gap are thinking in same line? Do you think I am a Umar Akmal fan boy at this age or I am naive enough not to realize the importance of fitness? Test match is like a boxing game - not for faint hearts.

If PAK has to compete with SAF in SAF, it has to be with bowling .... and at least one counter puncher, who can stand the tide and play some shots. Azhar, Asad, Haris are decent - they can do their job, Babar can better his career numbers - but these'll only keep PAK in contest, won't win a 2 innings game. What will win is someone who can dishearten SAF attack, force them to alter length and go defensive at least for some time. Current PAK batsmen can stick for 3 hours & 75 runs - what will happen? Styen & Co will take rest and come back to make 147-3 to 197-9. PAK needs (at least take a chance) someone who can make that 153-4 to 233-5 when the Kookaburra is 50 overs old; after that whatever Styen, Rabada, Phi does, PAK should be in game for bowling.
 
Tag me :) if your really want me to get involved.

You see, here in PP me & [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] are probably 2 biggest Test addicts - we watch lots of Test match, we analyze, agree, disagree, argue lots of issues .... but you'll never be bored if you pay attention, and you'll hardly be surprised with the outcome. Test cricket is a different beast - you have to see it as a tactical 4 years war, not 3 days battle. Me & Junaids were only 2 here kept telling that 2016 ENG tour'll be much, much closer than everyone things - just one example.

You know, you tagged me after we were all-out for 44 - even that day I said that WIN is coming to return tour in this winter and boys will settle the score. Do you think this is just from emotion? This Test game is much, much more complex than it looks.

You see, Junaids is in AUS & I am at Canada - never discussed this before, but in separate posts at same time, both of us have listed Umar at No. 6 for SAF tour ..... why not No. 4 or 5 or 3; why specifically No. 6? How 2 people living in 15 hours time gap are thinking in same line? Do you think I am a Umar Akmal fan boy at this age or I am naive enough not to realize the importance of fitness? Test match is like a boxing game - not for faint hearts.

If PAK has to compete with SAF in SAF, it has to be with bowling .... and at least one counter puncher, who can stand the tide and play some shots. Azhar, Asad, Haris are decent - they can do their job, Babar can better his career numbers - but these'll only keep PAK in contest, won't win a 2 innings game. What will win is someone who can dishearten SAF attack, force them to alter length and go defensive at least for some time. Current PAK batsmen can stick for 3 hours & 75 runs - what will happen? Styen & Co will take rest and come back to make 147-3 to 197-9. PAK needs (at least take a chance) someone who can make that 153-4 to 233-5 when the Kookaburra is 50 overs old; after that whatever Styen, Rabada, Phi does, PAK should be in game for bowling.

Saw you get a bit emotional when others tagged you before so I refrained.

Anyways Junaids has his own obsession with height as well, or stalking bowlers and fielders from the boundary lines, I take both of your "advices" with a pinch of salt. Also don't rate people who claim to have made a "career" on PP or refer to themselves in the third person much.

As much as the mental midgets we currently have in our batting line up, UA is even worse. So, once again, thanks but no thanks.
 
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The big question for me is has UA been performing in domestic 3/4 day cricket?
 
But isn’t the question “Can Umar Akmal be a Horses For Courses Selection to bat like Azhar Mahmood in South Africa?”

Could he come in at 60-4 against a saggy, seamless 25 over old Kookaburra ball and score 120 off 160 balls before getting out to the second new ball?

Because if the answer is yes, he could turn 60-4 into 300 all out.

Come now Junaid, you know better than that: Azhar Mahmood scored three centuries in his first five tests against South Africa. There’s no logical reason for his selection unless we lower bar from scoring impactful centuries to scoring eye catching 15’s.
 
It’s really Umar Akmal or bust.

people talk about Umar Akmal like he's Virat Kohli and will solve all of Pakistan's batting problem once he's selected
 
Saw you get a bit emotional when others tagged you before so I refrained.

Anyways Junaids has his own obsession with height as well, or stalking bowlers and fielders from the boundary lines, I take both of your "advices" with a pinch of salt. Also don't rate people who claim to have made a "career" on PP or refer to themselves in the third person much.

As much as the mental midgets we currently have in our batting line up, UA is even worse. So, once again, thanks but no thanks.

So, the player you "like" has a chance of improving, but the one you hate cannot improve?

Umar Akmal is currently the best batsman in domestic cricket.

He's a proven success at the international level against fast bowlers as well. Until his form went downhill.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is right.

We need him back at some point. Can be a game changer on South Africa Test tour.
 
Would love to see Akmal get selected and face Steyn, Philander, Rabada. :))

Been some time since a nice comedy flick got released.
 
Captain isn’t a Mr Universe himself, so will be a bit hypocritical to expect Umar to be in shape while we let a guy who can’t bat, can’t captain on field, and is not in shape represent the team as a whole.

Now if captain was Misbah I’d agree, whatever captain wants from players he should emulate himself.

If he at the very least passes the yo yo test (I prefer calling it bleep test still but whatever heh) then I don’t see why he shouldn’t be in the team IF he has the performances to back it up.
 
We all know that Umar Akmal alone in Pakistan has a proven technique on Aussie wickets which are so similar to South

Yea Umar Akmal with his couple of 40s in Australia is proven on Aussie wickets but Azhar Ali who has centuries and double centuries and Asad Shafiq who has a century is not proven in Aussie wickets

How much crap are you gonna post?
 
Yea Umar Akmal with his couple of 40s in Australia is proven on Aussie wickets but Azhar Ali who has centuries and double centuries and Asad Shafiq who has a century is not proven in Aussie wickets

How much crap are you gonna post?

Also, Australian conditions are similar to South African conditions so he will succeed in South Africa. :yk
 
Read the OP, thought Umar Akmal would have scored a couple of 100s and 400-500 runs in Australia at 55-60 average. Turns out he has 199 runs@33 with 1 50 in 3 tests!!

It's one thing to hype someone, another to be totally irrational.

For comparison, record of current Pakistani batsmen in Australia
Azhar Ali 406 runs@81
Asad Shafiq 239 runs@40
Sarfaraz Ahmed 232 runs@39
Babar Azam 68 runs@11

3 of those have a much better record than UA and yet OP says UA is the bestest.
 
I like Umar Akmal as a batsman because I do feel he is a classy batsman who hasn't been given enough opportunities at test level. Think of it this way, for all the abuse he gets on this thread, he has played just 16 test matches, and only one of those in Asia. Rest all in foriegn conditions. An average of 36+ in first 15 tests in foriegn conditions is not at all bad. Pujara after 8 years averaged less than 28 outside Asia. Even Kohli in his first 5 England tests scored nothing. I don't know if it's already too late but to say that Akmal was a failure in test matches is unfair criticism.
 
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