Is Usman Khawaja already the greatest ever Asian batsman to represent a non-Asian country?

[Rana]

He is in the form of his life and piling on runs for Australia. I cannot seem to think any other batsman to have been such a pivotal part of the batting line up of a team outside of Asia. Weve seen the likes of Bopara, Solanki, Afzal, Shah, Raza (Zimbabwe) all emerge but non of them have solidified their place and contributed as prolifically as Khawaja.

It is fair to say that Pakistan would have wasted a talent like him and he is fortunate to be nurtured by the Great Aussie set up. Reminds me a bit about Gayatri Spivak's concept about postcolonialism, can the subaltern talk? He is a product that has been harnessed into perfection by the Aussies, gosh I wish we had a batsman like him.

 

[Sidilicious]

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[pakistanigoneaussie]

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dammit there's always someone who gets there first

 

[Cric_fan_4_eva]

Nasser Hussein

Bob Woolmer

 

[Rana]

Nasser Hussein

Bob Woolmer

Nasser Hussain is hybrid, and I dont think he considers himsef Asian. And still, his contributions and skill level I dont feel is as high class as Khawaja's

 

[Sidilicious]

Is Usman Khawaja already the greatest ever Asian Batsman to represent a non-A...

dammit there's always someone who gets there first

Benefits of having nothing to do

On a serious note, there have been quite a few great bats from the sub con playing for non asian nations. I M surprised that the OP actually couldn't look further than Khwaja. The OP needs to educate himself about the history of cricket

- kallicharan
- Kanhai
- chanderpaul
- ranjitsinghji
- duleep singhji
- nawab of pataudi snr
And last but not the least, PP's favourite cricketer
- Amla



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[cricketjoshila]

Rohan Kanhai

Alvin Kalicharan

Shivnarine Chanderpaul

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Amla bhai>>>>>Khawaja

 

[blue_champion]

Hashim Amla???

 

[Ab Fan]

Hashim Amla and Shivanarine Chanderpaul post 2000s millennium..

 

[Varun]

Khawaja is nothing special anyway.

 

[Rana]

Benefits of having nothing to do

On a serious note, there have been quite a few great bats from the sub con playing for non asian nations. I M surprised that the OP actually couldn't look further than Khwaja. The OP needs to educate himself about the history of cricket

- kallicharan
- Kanhai
- chanderpaul
- ranjitsinghji
- duleep singhji
- nawab of pataudi snr
And last but not the least, PP's favourite cricketer
- Amla



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If you study the history of the Carribean and SA, I suppose these batsmen are all from the lineage of indentured workers. They have been in that country for the past 80 years at least. Its hard to say that they are Asian at culture, they are very much carribean. As far as Amla is concerned, yeh i definetly missed him out. But the way Khawaja is going, im starting to think he may become a great for Australia just like Amla did for SA

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Nasser Hussain is hybrid, and I dont think he considers himsef Asian. And still, his contributions and skill level I dont feel is as high class as Khawaja's

Seriously you even saw Hussain batting and captaincy, he built the modern England team and even in his last test made 100 in chasing on tricky pitch against good bowling attack. When khawaja becomes good test match cricketer then we will talk.

 

[Cricketfan2016]

Gujrat Amla Bhai for the win

 

[Rana]

Khawaja is nothing special anyway.

I disagree. The guy is pretty much physically a non-asian specimen. Same catagory as the likes of Yuvraj, Inzimam. He has a very attacking mindset and pounces on the shortr delivery, havent seen much of that with Asian batsmen.

IMO, being Asian is just a form of identity fir him, Psychologically he is completely an Aussie

 

[Sidilicious]

If you study the history of the Carribean and SA, I suppose these batsmen are all from the lineage of indentured workers. They have been in that country for the past 80 years at least. Its hard to say that they are Asian at culture, they are very much carribean. As far as Amla is concerned, yeh i definetly missed him out. But the way Khawaja is going, im starting to think he may become a great for Australia just like Amla did for SA

- Indian carribeans - yes, they have been there for over a 100 years, and yes they are well integrated but if you go to places like Guyana, T&T and Suriname you will find that they still hold on parts of their Indianness - name, food etc.

Additionally, how is this different from 2nd -3rd generation Brit Paks or Brit Indians (BBCDs )

- Khawaja being great - I doubt it. He will be a good contributor for Australia, but I doubt he will be another Amla. When Amla had his second wind, he looked a class apart. This is Khwaja's second wind, and he just about fits in with the other Aussie batsmen.




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[Rana]

Seriously you even saw Hussain batting and captaincy, he built the modern England team and even in his last test made 100 in chasing on tricky pitch against good bowling attack. When khawaja becomes good test match cricketer then we will talk.

Hussain Averages 37 after 96 Test matches (14 tons) and Khawaja is at 49 after 15 (4 tons). Khawaja is all set to overtake him

 

[Ab Fan]

I am not sure if Australia's 2nd best batsmen Warner can match Amla or not and here you are talking about their 4th best.

 

[Rana]

- Indian carribeans - yes, they have been there for over a 100 years, and yes they are well integrated but if you go to places like Guyana, T&T and Suriname you will find that they still hold on parts of their Indianness - name, food etc.

Additionally, how is this different from 2nd -3rd generation Brit Paks or Brit Indians (BBCDs )

- Khawaja being great - I doubt it. He will be a good contributor for Australia, but I doubt he will be another Amla. When Amla had his second wind, he looked a class apart. This is Khwaja's second wind, and he just about fits in with the other Aussie batsmen.




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I think 4th-5th gen is at the same level as indentured workers. Khawaja, Bopara, Afzal are all 2nd gen.

Owais Shah's parents are as fresh as they get, dont be fooled by the lad's fake posh accent believe you me.

 

[Rana]

I am not sure if Australia's 2nd best batsmen Warner can match Amla or not and here you are talking about their 4th best.

The debate is about the quality of the asian batsman playing for a non asian team. So far I have acknowledged Amla is actually the bench mark. But Khawaja is now on the verge to take over this mantle soon. The guy is phenomenal considering he was born in Islamabad and has to play his cricket on Aussie wickets, where nearly all of the Pakistani batsmen have pretty much failed throughout.

 

[Ab Fan]

The debate is about the quality of the asian batsman playing for a non asian team. So far I have acknowledged Amla is actually the bench mark. But Khawaja is now on the verge to take over this mantle soon. The guy is phenomenal considering he was born in Islamabad and has to play his cricket on Aussie wickets, where nearly all of the Pakistani batsmen have pretty much failed throughout.

He has been impressive as of now but his real test will be outside home conditions especially in England and subcontinent.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Hussain Averages 37 after 96 Test matches (14 tons) and Khawaja is at 49 after 15 (4 tons). Khawaja is all set to overtake him

And this confirm my theory that you have not seen him, btw Atherton is said to be one of the best openers and he also averages 37 . In that era England NZ , Australia, SA, WI all have really tough wickets, in 90s only 3 players averaged over 50 ( Sachin leading the pack).
Khawaja may leave him behind and I give him all the wish he need , but comparison after 15 test when Khawaja is playing on dead wicket is not right.
SA had Pollock, Donald, devillers,
Australia - McGrath, Gillespie, Warne, Fleming, Macgill
WI- Ambrose and Walsh,
Pak- Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Mushy, Akhtar
These are some names ofcourse they are others also.

 

[OneTip-OneHand]

May be in the future..

But not right now. IMO Greatest Asian player having played for Non Asian Side has to be Rohan Kanhai.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Usman Khawaja has only just come back into the side and done well, lets not to carried away here! still has alot to prove at international level.

 

[Anfield]

What has Khwaja achieved so far?

 

[Rana]

What has Khwaja achieved so far?

A test match average of 49...don't see that too often with Asian batsmen outside Asia

 

[Anfield]

A test match average of 49...don't see that too often with Asian batsmen outside Asia

has played only 15 tests mostly in Australia.

 

[squarecut]

One does not become great, leave alone the greatest, after just one season of international cricket. There are many batsmen who, after great initial performance get found out in subsequent seasons. Let Khwaja play for a few seasons before one can judge his calibre as an international cricketer.

 

[rhony]

That would be Ravi Bopara. The legend of PSL

 

[MMHS]

Not even in top 5, if we consider players from genre link. If we consider players born in Asia & then migrated, may be one of the better ones, other wise he 'll be rolled over by

Rohan Kanhai
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Hashim Amla
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Shiva
AI Kalicharan
Nasser
Mark Ramprakash

That Kanhai guy was very similar to Virat in batting style.

And I deliberately avoided 3 players for the generation gap

Kumar Sri Ranjit Singh
Kumar Sri Dulip Singh
Iftekhar Ali Khan Pataudi

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Not even in top 5, if we consider players from genre link. If we consider players born in Asia & then migrated, may be one of the better ones, other wise he 'll be rolled over by

Rohan Kanhai
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Hashim Amla
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Shiva
AI Kalicharan
Nasser
Mark Ramprakash

That Kanhai guy was very similar to Virat in batting style.

And I deliberately avoided 3 players for the generation gap

Kumar Sri Ranjit Singh
Kumar Sri Dulip Singh
Iftekhar Ali Khan Pataudi

Never saw Rohan so I may be wrong but isn't Amla> Rohan.

 

[Amjid Javed]

A test match average of 49...don't see that too often with Asian batsmen outside Asia

Let see how he fairs in an Ashes series away when conditions are swing and seamer friendly or lets see how he fairs in spin friendly conditions on his return 1st. Hes done well in home conditions like most Aussie batsmen do.

 

[MMHS]

Never saw Rohan so I may be wrong but isn't Amla> Rohan.

Shouldn't compare players of 2 different era; but compared to the image & impact in respective contemporary cricket - not even close. Still I think, Rohan 'll make the all time XI of that WI team (may be as 2nd opener) Viv, Lara & Sobers are fixed at 3, 4 & 6; it's between Weeks, Headley & Kanhai for 5.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Ok thanks [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] , can you tell me some great innings Of Rohan .

 

[ChachaCricket]

Yes Khawaja bhai will retire as GOAT Asian batsman.

 

[MMHS]

Ok thanks [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] , can you tell me some great innings Of Rohan .

Check Eden '58 - he almost matched India's both innings combined on a turner

Has a pair of 100 at Adelaide, I believe.

His best innings is not a Test innings - played for world XI at WACA '71, Gavasker was his partner for few hours.

 

[Slog]

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Rohan Kanhai

Alvin Kalicharan

Shivnarine Chanderpaul

I get what you mean but can you consider these West Indians actually Asian.

Many of these Carribean Indian origin people came as indentured labour (read slaves) centuries ago and really have no link whatsoever to the subcontinent. They are as Asian as African Americans are African. Literally Asia has little if any impact on their lIce, upbringing, views etc.

Khwaja. Moeen Ali etc are all first or s come or even third generation Asians and have links back in AsiA and know relatives who live there. They can go to their ancestral homes etc. But these West Indians prolly have no link. If you have been away for centuries and esp in the old times you basically are cut off from your place of origin

Hashim Amla for eg still has more links to India than these West Indians

 

[amit]

Among recent cricketers, Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Hashim Amla are much better than Khawaja, although Khawaja has the potential to overtake them

Talking of those born in Asian country, Khawaja can be in that list

 

[Anfield]

Not even in top 5, if we consider players from genre link. If we consider players born in Asia & then migrated, may be one of the better ones, other wise he 'll be rolled over by

Rohan Kanhai
.
Hashim Amla
.
.
.
Shiva
AI Kalicharan
Nasser
Mark Ramprakash

That Kanhai guy was very similar to Virat in batting style.

And I deliberately avoided 3 players for the generation gap

Kumar Sri Ranjit Singh
Kumar Sri Dulip Singh
Iftekhar Ali Khan Pataudi

How many of these were born in Asia or their parents were? Beyond that I don't think they could be called Asians.

 

[90MPH]

Forget if he is the best or not for 1 sec but just look how much he has improved in the last 6 months.

In 2010-2013 period for Australia he looked all at sea but now looks totally transformed.

It shows how much he has improved and all the hardwork has paid off for him. I still think he can improve further to be the finished article as he's seeing the ball so early.

I said before that Pakistan batsmen could take a cue from Kane Williamson on how much he has improved with hardwork but Usman Khawaja is even a better example because he's right up there among the best on his current form - no one can dispute this because his numbers says it all.

 

[90MPH]

Mark Ramprakash and Nasser Hussain were half casts while the West Indian Asians like Shiv have had their families resided in the Caribbean for a very long time so I wouldn't classify them as "Asians" at all. I know some in the uk and they have no connection whatsoever with India for example.

 

[yadunoe]

Benefits of having nothing to do

On a serious note, there have been quite a few great bats from the sub con playing for non asian nations. I M surprised that the OP actually couldn't look further than Khwaja. The OP needs to educate himself about the history of cricket

- kallicharan
- Kanhai
- chanderpaul
- ranjitsinghji
- duleep singhji
- nawab of pataudi snr
And last but not the least, PP's favourite cricketer
- Amla



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khawaja is born in pindi all those guys were not born in the subcon alot of Guyanese people have decedents from india and pak but thats where the similarities end.

 

[Rana]

I cant see why people are mentioning Ramprakash here. He was a Domestic legend but didnt quite set the world alight at international level

 

[princeuk]

I'm impressed with him, he has played thoroughly well.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Khawaja is at par with mediocre asian players like Sajid Mahmood and Samit Patel. Not worthy to be included even in the list of tier 2 greats like Nasser Hussain.

 

[Mamoon]

Khawaja has come a long way, but my only criticism (or observation) at this point is that he appears to be a bit too soft.

Plays nice shots but lacks the mentality to grind it out and play outside his comfort-zone.

 

[MMHS]

How many of these were born in Asia or their parents were? Beyond that I don't think they could be called Asians.

Agreed, that was my 1st disclaimer.

But the oldies 3 were born & brought up in British India - they went to Oxford/Cambridge & then represented England (MCC). If I take out the generation gap, Ranji was probably a combination Bradman & Viv of his time in Counties - averaged 56 (That's for 25K runs), in an era when Archie McLaren, Arthur Swresberry averages under 40 & he scored at better than run a minute those days (that's about a SR of around 58, considering over rate of 23 overs/hour), in an era when scoring rate in Counties was around 2. And, he started FC career for Cambridge, suffered from ill health for most part of career.

Dulip was chronic Tuberculosis patient, left cricket at 27, before that he averaged 58, for 15 Tests, while Iftekhar was the Azharuddin of 30s, wristy, elegant & sparking on his day.

 

[SandyB]

I disagree. The guy is pretty much physically a non-asian specimen. Same catagory as the likes of Yuvraj, Inzimam. He has a very attacking mindset and pounces on the shortr delivery, havent seen much of that with Asian batsmen.

IMO, being Asian is just a form of identity fir him, Psychologically he is completely an Aussie

Fielding frequently reminds us of his Asian roots though
)

 

[Itachi]

It is amla.....

Khawaja.... Is no body. In front of him.

 

[Itachi]

The debate is about the quality of the asian batsman playing for a non asian team. So far I have acknowledged Amla is actually the bench mark. But Khawaja is now on the verge to take over this mantle soon. The guy is phenomenal considering he was born in Islamabad and has to play his cricket on Aussie wickets, where nearly all of the Pakistani batsmen have pretty much failed throughout.

What Khawaja has achieved exactly?

Khawaja is taking over amla.... The ATG in test.... I heard everything now lol.

 

[carrom_ball]

No, nehra's bunny isn't the best overseas Asian batsman

 

[Convict]

A test match average of 49...don't see that too often with Asian batsmen outside Asia

He's not an Asian batsman though.

He's an Australian batsman who happens to be of Pakistani birth. But since he learned all of his cricket in Australia he is entirely a product of the Australian cricket system.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Nah he is nothing in front of Amla, Amla is also a real brother, he doesn't touch anyone's bottom. 100% straight.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If we are strictly talking about "asian born and belongs one of the asian race" who represented foreign countries he may be the best. But it is not like we have 100 such players. Only a handful of players have done that. Amla despite the fact he has indian roots, he was born in SA though it is fascinating to see him bat more like Indians than a south african. Cowdrey is another guy who was born in India. But i would not call him an Asian given that he is an English guy and India was under British rule. Bopara, Ramprakash were all born in UK. How about Balaji rao lol i think Pakistan players would not forget him.

 

[KyoOne]

Nope, Amla is.

Khwaja is just having a purple patch. Will come to normality once he sees overseas shores

 

[hur rizvi]

Why are we counting players which werent even born or had their childhood in Asia?

 

[hur rizvi]

I dont consider Amla to be asian at all. He has spent his whole life in SA and was even born in SA

Imran Tahir is an Asian, born in Pakistan, raised in Pakistan, learnt his cricket in Pakistan, represented them at U19s and A-level.

Khawaja can also be considered he moved to Aus at 12 years of age, but he didnt play any cricket in Asia, same with Sikandar raza

 

[hur rizvi]

He's not an Asian batsman though.

He's an Australian batsman who happens to be of Pakistani birth. But since he learned all of his cricket in Australia he is entirely a product of the Australian cricket system.

Exactly he is completely an Aussie product, but you cant take his Pakistani dissent away. Dual nationals exist in the world. Khawaja moved as a 12 year old IIRC so its not like he just happened to be born in Pakistan, he has spent his childhood here.

 

[James]

He is an Aussie.

Seems like a decent player at the moment but hasn't really been properly tested yet.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Amla, Kanhai, Kallicharan etc.

 

[squarecut]

Going by the spirit of the question, the greatest ever Asian batsman (Asian origin born in Asia) to represent a non Asian country has to be Ranjit Singh ji. He is considered a legendary batsman of his era. His nephew Duleep Singh ji is another such name. Indian domestic championship trophy (Ranji Trophy) is named after Ranjit Singh ji whereas Indian inter zonal cricket trophy of India (Duleep Trophy) is named after Duleep Singh ji.

So unless Usman Khwaja becomes a legendary enough cricketer to have some country's national tournament named after him, the answer to the question will be Ranjit Singh ji and Duleep Singh ji.

 

[MenInG]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1328413/snubbed-khawaja-not-pinning-hopes-on-ashes-recall

MELBOURNE: Having been pulled out of Australia’s ODI team to prepare for India, then ignored by selectors for every match in the subcontinent, batsman Usman Khawaja is guarded about his chances of winning a Test recall for the Ashes.

The stylish number three suffered a further blow on Thursday when he was left out of Australia’s ODI squad for next month’s ICC Champions Trophy in England and Wales.

The India snub, though, was a bitter pill to swallow for a player who had averaged 66.75 in the preceding Test series against Pakistan after topping the runs list in a losing cause against South Africa.

Rubbing salt into the wounds, Khawaja was left to carry the drinks during the four-Test series in India and watch his replacement Shaun Marsh manage only 151 runs at an average of 18.87 from his eight innings.

“The most frustrating thing for me was not to play those three ODIs in New Zealand,” Khawaja told Fox Sports. “I got pulled out of that series to prepare for India and then not playing was a bit hard.”

Khawaja is likely to be restored to Australia’s top order for the Ashes, given the left-hander’s fine record on home pitches over the past two seasons.

But he has learnt not to look too far ahead.

“It is the pinnacle of cricket when you represent Australia playing against the old enemy,” he said.

“But to be frank it is still far away and a lot can happen between now and the Ashes.”

 

[Bilal7]

Class player, Khawaja. Pretty average against spin but that's to be expected of someone who learnt his trade in Australia. Good against swing though and handled the South Africans pretty well at home. Not sure how OP can call him the greatest Asian origin batsman though. That most definitely is Hashim Amla.

Forget Asian origin; apart from a few, he's comfortably better than any Asian batsman to have played the game, across formats. Khawaja isn't at that level, although a good player in his own right and a good person to boot.

 

[Bilal7]

I dont consider Amla to be asian at all. He has spent his whole life in SA and was even born in SA

Imran Tahir is an Asian, born in Pakistan, raised in Pakistan, learnt his cricket in Pakistan, represented them at U19s and A-level.

Khawaja can also be considered he moved to Aus at 12 years of age, but he didnt play any cricket in Asia, same with Sikandar raza

Khawaja's batting has nothing Pakistani about it. Amla actually has some aspects of Asian batting in his play. Tough to make these distinctions.

 

[amit]

Hashim Amla, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Rohan Kanhai - top 3 names which came to my mind. Khawaja would be somewhere in top 10, but not the greatest ever

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Khawaja is struggling big time of late - his batting average is headed towards the 30s.

 

[Napa]

Khawaja is struggling big time of late - his batting average is headed towards the 30s.

It is about 41.6 currently. Voges was booted from the team after one bad series against SA when his average was 61.9.

 

[gani999]

I get what you mean but can you consider these West Indians actually Asian.

That is right. You really cannot consider the West Indians as 'Asians'. They are merely of Asian ancestry. A lot of them have inter-bred with the people of African origin too.

Among the real Asians, I wonder why no one has mentioned Nasser Hussain? He is the only 'real Asian' to have captained a major non-Asian team.

 

[latecut]

International Cricket did not start in 2010. It is being played since 1877.

Greatest Asians who played for non Asian sides would leave lasting impression of their greatness. Ranjitsinhji was a legendary cricketer of his time. His name is taken with same reverence as say W G Grace. Indians named their national cricket tournament after him.

Likewise, his nephew Duleepsinh ji was another great cricketer who followed in his footsteps. Another premier cricket tournnament of India is named after him.

There were many other great cricketers of Asian origin playing for non Asian teams. They earned great name and fame among fans as well as cricketers. After the two princes mentioned above, Rohan Kanhai was perhaps the biggest such name. Rohan Kanhai was Gavaskar's favourite cricketer. So much so that Gavaskar named his son as Rohan in honour of his favourite cricketer.

Kallicharan was another big name. One Hindi movie title called "Kallicharan" was actually inspired from his name.

I do not think Usman Khwaja will figure in the top twenty list of Asian Origin players playing for non Asian countries.

 

[jaf348]

That is right. You really cannot consider the West Indians as 'Asians'. They are merely of Asian ancestry. A lot of them have inter-bred with the people of African origin too.

Among the real Asians, I wonder why no one has mentioned Nasser Hussain? He is the only 'real Asian' to have captained a major non-Asian team.

Nasser Hussain genetically is half white from his mothers side if you want to be pedantic.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

That is right. You really cannot consider the West Indians as 'Asians'. They are merely of Asian ancestry. A lot of them have inter-bred with the people of African origin too.

Among the real Asians, I wonder why no one has mentioned Nasser Hussain? He is the only 'real Asian' to have captained a major non-Asian team.

Nasir Hussain is half white and was raised by a white mother. He doesn't even qualify really.

 

[topspin]

I really hope Usman Khawaja doesn't become another Shafiq.

 

[Mamoon]

It is about 41.6 currently. Voges was booted from the team after one bad series against SA when his average was 61.9.

Voges was promptly dropped because he was past retirement age already. However, considering Australia's batting resources at the moment, Khawaja's career will not be terminated at 32. He still has 2-3 years left unless a couple of very promising young batsmen emerge.

 

[latecut]

If Usman Khwaja played for India, he would be regarded as another Rayudu. And here some are considering him as the greatest Asian origin batsman for a non Asian team.

 

[Babbar]

Rohan Kanhai ( Gavaskar’s role model and inspiraation for naming his only son - Rohan Gavaskar) was the greatest ever- followed by Kalicharan and Amla. Then Chanderpaul and finally NassirHussain. Khwaja, well, he has a long way to go. Let him prove himself on Indian and English soil first.

 

[Pakistanian]

lol @ people naming West Indian cricketers who have some Indian heritage but have been there for generations. Rohan Kanai and none of these other multigeneration West Indians count as south asian, otherwise you can claim every Australian player as English or Salman Butt as Kashmiri lmaoo. You can also say Irfan Pathan is the greatest "Afghan" to represent India.

 

[Babbar]

Yes most Australian players are English origin but not English. Similarly Most American African Black NBA players are African origin but not Africans. So Rohan and Kanhai too are Indian origin but not Indians.

You are welcome to remove every other Asian origin player by using some custom filter and call Khwaja the best Asian origin player. LOL.

Someone can also use even more interesting filters to exclude all others and make Monty Panesar or Ish Sodhi as the best Asian origin BATSMAN.

 

[Babbar]

Most Indians went to West Indies in 1860-1920, so they have been there for 3-6 generations. Most of them stayed in very secluded homogenous community for most of their lives, kinda how most Pakistanis and Indian families live in England for many generations. Only a few married outside the community. Many of these West Indians are closer to Indic roots than most Indians is large cities.

And yes, there’s also Ramnaresh Sarwan, 20 international centuries with average of 40+ in both tests and ODI. He captained WI for some time but retired due to injury issues.

Khwaja can be considered as one of the better Asian-born batter to play for non-Asian countries. Nasir Hussain, the other one, was born in Chennai and has better batting record but his mother was English, though she lived in India till he was 6-7 year old.

 

[Pakistanian]

Most Indians went to West Indies in 1860-1920, so they have been there for 3-6 generations. Most of them stayed in very secluded homogenous community for most of their lives, kinda how most Pakistanis and Indian families live in England for many generations. Only a few married outside the community. Many of these West Indians are closer to Indic roots than most Indians is large cities.

And yes, there’s also Ramnaresh Sarwan, 20 international centuries with average of 40+ in both tests and ODI. He captained WI for some time but retired due to injury issues.

Khwaja can be considered as one of the better Asian-born batter to play for non-Asian countries. Nasir Hussain, the other one, was born in Chennai and has better batting record but his mother was English, though she lived in India till he was 6-7 year old.

That is not true, most of them are mixed just look at Ravi Rampaul, Sarwan, Darren Ganga, Bishoo, Narine, or Chanderpaul. I know many Indo-Caribbeans where I live and most of them are mixed with the Africans and barely follow any aspects of South Asian culture, they're as "Asian" as LeBron James is "African" or Donald Trump is "European".

Usman Khawaja and Monty Panesar are legit Asians because they're only the first generation raised in their countries and follow south Asian culture(s), Khawaja was even born in Pakistan. If you go to new york you'll see that trindadians and guyanese don't even mingle with desis (south asians) even if they're part asian themselves.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Most Indians went to West Indies in 1860-1920, so they have been there for 3-6 generations. Most of them stayed in very secluded homogenous community for most of their lives, kinda how most Pakistanis and Indian families live in England for many generations. Only a few married outside the community. Many of these West Indians are closer to Indic roots than most Indians is large cities.

And yes, there’s also Ramnaresh Sarwan, 20 international centuries with average of 40+ in both tests and ODI. He captained WI for some time but retired due to injury issues.

Khwaja can be considered as one of the better Asian-born batter to play for non-Asian countries. Nasir Hussain, the other one, was born in Chennai and has better batting record but his mother was English, though she lived in India till he was 6-7 year old.

Homogeneous community or not, people lose most of their culture abroad by second generation.