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Is Virat Kohli the greatest Indian batsman ever?

Viv
Sachin
Ponting
ABDV
Kohli

If Kohli plays a legendary knock in a WC final,he will surpass Ponting and ABDV and end up in top 3, but continue to remain behind Viv and Sachin. Viv because he already has a legendary knock in WC final and overall averages phenomenal 65 for that era in the World Cups and SRT because he was a prolific run scorer in a total of 3 WCs( 1,1,2 in 96,03,11) while Kohli hasn't been even in top in any till now.

WCs are not everything but when it comes down to top 3, this is what seperates all.
No room for Lara among that lot?

As an opposition fan, I've placed a higher value on the wickets of Lara and Tendulkar than Kohli and ABDV.

I always worried about Lara and Tendulkar's ability to destroy high class bowling, while Kohli and ABDV seem more vulnerable.
 
McGrath wasn't better than Lillee. No need for stats.

When the whole Australians claim that McGrath can never match the aura of Lillee, then who are we to disagree with that. Lillee revolutionised fast bowling. Nobody comes ahead of him except Malcolm Marshall.

Lillee was arguably the best Australian quickie of all-time. Viv Richards scored 5 centuries and lots of fifties against him. That is why Viv is a great batsman.

McGrath was more of a line and length bowler. Hadlee was similar to McGrath but had more pace and could swing the ball more.

Marshall, Hadlee, Lillee, and Imran were probably the best fast bowlers of Vivs era.

Best batsman for me is Bradman.
Best batting all-rounder is Sobers.
Best wicketkeeper batsman is Gilchrist.
Best bowling all-rounder is Imran.
Best fast bowler is Malcolm Marshall.
Best leg-spinner is Shane Warne.
Best off-spinner is Murali.
 
Lillee was arguably the best Australian quickie of all-time. Viv Richards scored 5 centuries and lots of fifties against him. That is why Viv is a great batsman.

McGrath was more of a line and length bowler. Hadlee was similar to McGrath but had more pace and could swing the ball more.

Marshall, Hadlee, Lillee, and Imran were probably the best fast bowlers of Vivs era.

Best batsman for me is Bradman.
Best batting all-rounder is Sobers.
Best wicketkeeper batsman is Gilchrist.
Best bowling all-rounder is Imran.
Best fast bowler is Malcolm Marshall.
Best leg-spinner is Shane Warne.
Best off-spinner is Murali.

McGrath trumps Lillee.

Lillee got carted around in Pakistan (and on flatter decks in general) while McGrath was superb everywhere.
 
No room for Lara among that lot?

As an opposition fan, I've placed a higher value on the wickets of Lara and Tendulkar than Kohli and ABDV.

I always worried about Lara and Tendulkar's ability to destroy high class bowling, while Kohli and ABDV seem more vulnerable.

Lara was a brilliant ODI batsmen but declined a bit too much in second half, particularly in ODIs. There were plenty cricketers who were better than Lara in the decade between 2000-2009. In 90s, he was up there with Tendulkar but declined in comparison to SRT who was great in 2nd half as well. He hasnt dominated WCs enough either.

So, particularly in ODI format, I will have him in top 10 but misses out of top 5. In tests, he is arguably the best of the lot alongside SRT.
 
Nope, I love Kohli and his work ethic, but you can't sit here and pretend that you can put him in that Tendulkar, Ponting, Viv, Lara league if he hasn't even performed in a ODI Knockout. He's had 3 average-below average world cups. If a 40 in a CT Final is his best accomplishment in the a knockout then he surely does not belong in the top tier. Even if he hadn't performed in the Knockouts and had a monster league stage I'd say he would be up there. But before the WC with his form and all people were expecting him to break every single world cup record, but in the end he got outplayed by a Pakistani batsman Babar Azam. Let's be real here no matter what sport you take performing on the big stage and knockouts is how ultimately judge a player it's just the way it works. With American sports if you don't perform in the playoffs in NBA/NFL your value goes down drastically and that hinders your stock. For example one of the most talented wide receivers OBJ who is probably the most talented wideout in all of football is not put in the top 3 tier of wideouts ahead of guys Julio, AB, and Deandre who have performed in the knockouts when given the chance. Heck even a guy like Julian Edelman makes it into many experts top 5 just because of how productive he is in the playoffs. In Cricket the whole World Cup can be considered the playoffs as that is the 1 time in 4 years where it's all tested your temperament, technique, and most importantly your ability to handle pressure. Virat Kohli has not shown he can handle the pressure and that is a vital skill in all of sports if you can not tick that box it doesn't matter what sport it is you can not be considered the GOAT. Now finally everyone is starting to rate AB higher than Virat too. I've been saying it AB had a monster world cup in 2015 and he needed to be to truly deserve the ATG label, as like Virat prior to the 2019 WC he was dominating World Cricket. So he had to dominate the World Cup to legitimatize everything he had done. And that is exactly what he did he hit 480+ Runs at an average of close to a 100 and a SR of close to 150. He dominated and would have led his team to the finals and might have won his team the WC single single-handedly if it wasn't for rain and SA didn't get unlucky. Virat's best world cup which just happened isn't even remotely as good as AB's. Hence not only is Virat not India's best batsman he isn't even the best batsman of this era ABD like I've been saying for years now easily takes that mantle.
 
No room for Lara among that lot?

As an opposition fan, I've placed a higher value on the wickets of Lara and Tendulkar than Kohli and ABDV.

I always worried about Lara and Tendulkar's ability to destroy high class bowling, while Kohli and ABDV seem more vulnerable.

Lara was an average batsman in ODIs after 200s. ABD was far more consistent and destructive for the entirety of his career.
 
Akram would have eaten Kohli alive come a pressure match.

He's already been made to look like a fool against Boult and Amir.

Basically world cup semis, finals things like that lol That would be like 2 or 3 matches in the whole career.
 
Akram would have eaten Kohli alive come a pressure match.

He's already been made to look like a fool against Boult and Amir.

Check the record of Ponting, Lara, Warne, Muralitharan in India. Ponting had several failures. Won't diminish their legacy. What you say is even more specific scenario. Knockouts, left arm bowler, chasing pressure things like that. Lot of things have to be in sync for that to happen.
 
Kohli not scoring huge even in league matches, has lot to do with the openers that India have, who clicked in most of the matches, and hence no real time for Kohli to score big. In Pakistan case, one of their opener has always failed, and Babar Azam got enough to built his innings.
 
Nope, I love Kohli and his work ethic, but you can't sit here and pretend that you can put him in that Tendulkar, Ponting, Viv, Lara league if he hasn't even performed in a ODI Knockout. He's had 3 average-below average world cups. If a 40 in a CT Final is his best accomplishment in the a knockout then he surely does not belong in the top tier. Even if he hadn't performed in the Knockouts and had a monster league stage I'd say he would be up there. But before the WC with his form and all people were expecting him to break every single world cup record, but in the end he got outplayed by a Pakistani batsman Babar Azam. Let's be real here no matter what sport you take performing on the big stage and knockouts is how ultimately judge a player it's just the way it works. With American sports if you don't perform in the playoffs in NBA/NFL your value goes down drastically and that hinders your stock. For example one of the most talented wide receivers OBJ who is probably the most talented wideout in all of football is not put in the top 3 tier of wideouts ahead of guys Julio, AB, and Deandre who have performed in the knockouts when given the chance. Heck even a guy like Julian Edelman makes it into many experts top 5 just because of how productive he is in the playoffs. In Cricket the whole World Cup can be considered the playoffs as that is the 1 time in 4 years where it's all tested your temperament, technique, and most importantly your ability to handle pressure. Virat Kohli has not shown he can handle the pressure and that is a vital skill in all of sports if you can not tick that box it doesn't matter what sport it is you can not be considered the GOAT. Now finally everyone is starting to rate AB higher than Virat too. I've been saying it AB had a monster world cup in 2015 and he needed to be to truly deserve the ATG label, as like Virat prior to the 2019 WC he was dominating World Cricket. So he had to dominate the World Cup to legitimatize everything he had done. And that is exactly what he did he hit 480+ Runs at an average of close to a 100 and a SR of close to 150. He dominated and would have led his team to the finals and might have won his team the WC single single-handedly if it wasn't for rain and SA didn't get unlucky. Virat's best world cup which just happened isn't even remotely as good as AB's. Hence not only is Virat not India's best batsman he isn't even the best batsman of this era ABD like I've been saying for years now easily takes that mantle.
Virat kohli's career is not over. And he will be playing the next WC in india. It is premature to say Ab > Kohli
 
Virat kohli's career is not over. And he will be playing the next WC in india. It is premature to say Ab > Kohli

It's not premature, I haven't said it's a done deal have I? If Kohli does dominate like ABD did in the 2015 WC then sure you can call him better than ABD. But right now it's clear ABD is better than Virat Kohli.

However I doubt Virat will have a better WC then this one since he will be 34 and honestly this was the WC where he'd been in beast mode leading up to it so if he was ever going to dominate a WC it should of been this one. But let's see I highly doubt he'll dominate the next one if anything it will be similar to this one imo.
 
Virat kohli's career is not over. And he will be playing the next WC in india. It is premature to say Ab > Kohli

Till now,

Kohli has been a bilateral bully while de Villiers has performed both in bilaterals and World Cup.

AB was in top 10 scorer in WC 2011 and at 3 in WC 2015 while Kohli wasn't even in top 10 run scorer in any of 2011,2015 and 2019 WC even though has a lower Strike Rate and bats higher than former.

What will happen in future is future. So, actually it's premature to call the other way round. Once Kohli improves his performance in WC, he will be better. This is what we are agreeing.
 
India captain Virat Kohli took pride in his 43th one-day international hundred, which sealed a 2-0 series win for his side against West Indies.

Kohli's 114* off 99 balls helped India chase down a DLS-adjusted target of 255 off 35 overs after West Indies posted 240/7 in their 35 overs. It was his second hundred in a row, and an incredible 26th while chasing.

"I've been around for a while," the captain explained. "Experience counts in pressure situations, understanding where the team is heading and what I need to do for the tempo of the game.

"You want to take pride in stepping up for the team as much as you can, and I definitely take a lot of pride in that. So yes, two good games with the bat from me, but, more importantly, we got the result because of my contribution. That feels much better."

Kohli admitted to some nerves in the camp when the match was interrupted by rain. Chris Gayle and Evin Lewis had given the West Indies a blazing start, reminding the Indians why they were rated as "two of the most dangerous players in the world in white-ball cricket". "We tried literally everything, we bowled every ball possible," said Kohli. "That was tremendous batting by them."

Being 92/3 in their reply did little to steady the team's nerves. However, Shreyas Iyer then came together with Kohli to add 120 for the fourth wicket. It was Iyer's second half-century in the series, doing his case to be a regular in the side no harm – and Kohli said as much.

Shreyas has come along really well. He's presented a strong case for himself to be a regular feature in the middle order.
Kohli on Iyer

"Shreyas has come along really well," he said, all praise for the 24-year-old. "He's stepped in and played with confidence. That augers well for the team. He's presented a strong case for himself ... to be a regular feature in the middle order.

"He wasn't intimidated at all, he was confident, very sure of his game. That's great to see, and hopefully he builds on to this and keeps performing for the team."

In what will come as high praise indeed, Kohli said the youngster's attitude reminded him of himself when he was starting out. "You need to stack up performances and play well under pressure," Kohli said. "I was exactly the same when I came in – any opportunity I got I wanted to win games for my team. You have take risks. He was brave under pressure. You need to reveal your game, you need to realise who you are, what your game is, what kind of player you are, so he's heading in the right direction."

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1311868
 
Kohli has only one shortcoming. He doesn't perform in world cups. That's a big shortcoming. Otherwise he is a phenomenal player. But to cross tendul he has to perform very big in next world cup.
 
He's had 3 average World cups which fall in the way of him being counted ahead of Sachin in ODI Cricket.

Sachin apart from being the best ODI batsman in his era also dominated 1996, 2003 and 2011 world cup with the bat.

There is little doubt if Tendulkar played today he would produce the same returns if not better.

ODI cricket itself is a joke now. Most teams do not play their top bowlers in this format except in the world cup. Even there many teams do not unleash their best attack. When Tendulkar, Lara played they were up against the best bowlers even in Jamodis.
 
ODI cricket itself is a joke now. Most teams do not play their top bowlers in this format except in the world cup. Even there many teams do not unleash their best attack. When Tendulkar, Lara played they were up against the best bowlers even in Jamodis.

Can't really use that against Kohli.

He's scored everywhere against everyone in all formats. Otherwise, he'd fall apart in Test cricket if the issue was bowling quality.
 
Can't really use that against Kohli.

He's scored everywhere against everyone in all formats. Otherwise, he'd fall apart in Test cricket if the issue was bowling quality.

No one is denying his greatness. As an Indian I celebrate the fact that we have a batsman of his calibre.

Heading into th 2019 world cup, we knew Kohli was a due a big one at the grandest stage. He once again had an average world cup where quite a number of batsmen did better than him. We will have to be as fair in our review as we have been with Amla. It's now 3 world cups without any serious impact.

Given the sorry state of ODI cricket over the last decade where most nations do not bother to pick their top bowlers, world cup performance automatically becomes a big criteria to determine the best.

As outrageous an ODI career he's had, not having even dominated one world cup till date will remain a blot on his legacy.

Tendulkar's dominated 3 world cups. Kohli's not had one till date.

We hope he does better in 2023 and maybe he can stick around till 2027

Without a world cup trophy or a MOTT his ODI career will not be remembered very happily by most Indians. People are already bored of the Jamodi runs.

There is also a gulf between him and Smith in test cricket which doesn't seem to be narrowing.

Tendulkar played among some phenomenal batters and remained class apart in both formats and dominated world cups at the same time. If things remain the same for Kohli he's never going to be rated ahead of Sachin by Indians.
 
World Cup basically determines who's the best in ODI now. Majority of teams rest their best bowlers regularly in bilaterals. Kohli failing in 3 consecutive WC KO matches is the biggest dark spot in his career. Those matches outweigh all other meaningless bilateral combined.
 
No one is denying his greatness. As an Indian I celebrate the fact that we have a batsman of his calibre.

Heading into th 2019 world cup, we knew Kohli was a due a big one at the grandest stage. He once again had an average world cup where quite a number of batsmen did better than him. We will have to be as fair in our review as we have been with Amla. It's now 3 world cups without any serious impact.

Given the sorry state of ODI cricket over the last decade where most nations do not bother to pick their top bowlers, world cup performance automatically becomes a big criteria to determine the best.

As outrageous an ODI career he's had, not having even dominated one world cup till date will remain a blot on his legacy.

Tendulkar's dominated 3 world cups. Kohli's not had one till date.

We hope he does better in 2023 and maybe he can stick around till 2027

Without a world cup trophy or a MOTT his ODI career will not be remembered very happily by most Indians. People are already bored of the Jamodi runs.

There is also a gulf between him and Smith in test cricket which doesn't seem to be narrowing.

Tendulkar played among some phenomenal batters and remained class apart in both formats and dominated world cups at the same time. If things remain the same for Kohli he's never going to be rated ahead of Sachin by Indians.

i for one, rate that Kohli inns of 35(49) balls in that 2011 final very highly. In front of the home crowd, with crores all across the nation placing high expectations on the team to utilize a rare golden oppertunity,with the biggest total to be chased down in the history of world cup finals(as it resulted in the end),with 2 of your team's biggest experienced players back in the pavilion by 31, the knock played by Kohli is easily worth at least a 50 for me otherwise.And this is exactly where I badly wish he would have scored 15 more runs in that final. THis is because if it was a 50 instead of a 35, its' worth would have been at the least some 80 by ordinary yardstick.But it didn't
happen.

And it is this 15 run gap , that I hope Kohli would fill in any of the KO matches in his next 2 world cup outings.And it is this gap that prevents him from being a contender for that GOAT title as of now(keep in mind , even then there is no guarantee that Kohli would have 100% SURELY surpassed the likes of ABDV,Sachin,VIv & a perhaps a few others).
Other than that, his exploits in this format is 'out of the ordinary' how ever strongly some one denies those. 26 100s in chasing out of a total 43 100s, especially a few of those highly influencing very important tournaments like 'first series wins abroad in SAF,AUS' etc is nothing sort of absolute brilliance. The fact that he convincingly outweighs his peers in several aspects like total runs, avg:, total 100s,chasing 100s etc by maintaing such a top str: can't be neglected as nothing worth because of that 1 blot.With 4 KO inns in 'WC+CT combined' to add to all these,
that 1 KO inns in a WC remains pending for him to compete for that GOAT title.
 
In tests, I don't think he is a great yet let alone being better than the likes of Sachin and Sunny.

In ODIs, he has a good claim for the GOAT batsman title but I think Sachin is still ahead.
 
Bump!

Not in his best form these days but I still believe that he has quite a mile to go to be India's greatest batsmen.
 
ODI average is now an incredible 59.32 across 244 innings.

Amazing consistency.
 
Any thread that tries to compare batsmen across eras is a waste. You just cannot do that.
 
Kohli is not good enough on these flat wickets...Tendulkar would have averaged 75 in this flat era....
Kohli score 66 off 79 today....Tendulkar would have scored 100 off 79 on the same pitch
 
Kohli is a brilliant batsman but a little boring and methodical to watch.

With matches being played mostly on flat wickets these days, as an audience, you look for artists not engineers.

Among Indian batsman, I will put him behind Tendulkar only.
 
Kohli is the best ODI player the world has produced. Not just India. But we won't agree to it unless he wins a WC final with a hundred. Tendulkar was a better test player then Kohli hands down and is the best batsman that India ever produced overall.
 
Kohli is my favourite cricketer of all time but I don't think as an overall batter he will surpass Sachin. In ODIs its close but in tests it's not much of a contest.
 
These days he looks so out of sort in ODI's with his out of place 60 ball fifties on 350-400 runs pitches. Still good for the indians fans, as they care a lot about stats.
 
These days he looks so out of sort in ODI's with his out of place 60 ball fifties on 350-400 runs pitches. Still good for the indians fans, as they care a lot about stats.

Would have made sense if an Aussie fan made that statement. But coming from a Pak fan, whose players are fond of playing for the bookies, this is hilarious :)))
 
Would have made sense if an Aussie fan made that statement. But coming from a Pak fan, whose players are fond of playing for the bookies, this is hilarious :)))

Can't understand where are ou bringing the bookies into the discussion but I guess this is the reason we couldn't understand each other in every thread.

Just look at the KL Rahul celebration after getting his hundred yesterday and you will see what I mean.
 
Can't understand where are ou bringing the bookies into the discussion but I guess this is the reason we couldn't understand each other in every thread.

Just look at the KL Rahul celebration after getting his hundred yesterday and you will see what I mean.

You accuse Indian fans caring for stats, conveniently forgetting that your players are known for selling out their country to the bookies. That’s the funniest bit :))
 
You accuse Indian fans caring for stats, conveniently forgetting that your players are known for selling out their country to the bookies. That’s the funniest bit :))

hmmm ....

International Indian fixers

Azharuddin (confirmed Con)
Parbharkar (confirmed Con)
Jadeja (confirmed Con)
Sreesanth (confirmed Con)
Mongia (Accused fixer)

Domestic tier Indian fixers


Ajit Chandila
Abhinav
Mohit Mishra
Ankit Chavan
Amit Yadav
Amit Singh
Ajay Sharma
Hiken Shah
Shalabh Srivastava
Siddharth Trivedi
 
Can't understand where are ou bringing the bookies into the discussion but I guess this is the reason we couldn't understand each other in every thread.

Just look at the KL Rahul celebration after getting his hundred yesterday and you will see what I mean.
Kl rahul playing for his spot in the team and he is also out of form, that's the reason he played slow. As far as kohli is concerned nothing to do with the stats he is regressed as a batsmen.
 
These days Kohli is only playing for himself, not for the team.
 
Tendulkar is easily a better ODI bat than Kohli especially considering kind of conditions and bowlers he had to encounter in his career who has had it much easier.

As for tests, let's not go there.
 
In LOIs he's unmatched IMO.

The record speaks for itself - his scores in chases are also impressive i.e he delivers results.

And we cling on to stats, stats, stats - but it's evident from just watching him play that he's unmatched.

Beast bat.
 
ODI's

Tendulkar
Kohli
Rest of the Indians

Tests

Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid
Kohli

Going by his ongoing elongated failure span in Tests ... if it continues he might drop even further in tests.
 
hmmm ....

International Indian fixers

Azharuddin (confirmed Con)
Parbharkar (confirmed Con)
Jadeja (confirmed Con)
Sreesanth (confirmed Con)
Mongia (Accused fixer)

Domestic tier Indian fixers


Ajit Chandila
Abhinav
Mohit Mishra
Ankit Chavan
Amit Yadav
Amit Singh
Ajay Sharma
Hiken Shah
Shalabh Srivastava
Siddharth Trivedi

And which one of them ever made a comeback to the Indian team? All of them were permanently sacked by the BCCI.
 
And which one of them ever made a comeback to the Indian team? All of them were permanently sacked by the BCCI.

What are you talking about ? most Indians received bans either post retirement or when they were dusted as players.

Azharuddin, confirmed as a con at age 37-38, he was already done as a player

Parbharkar, match fixing story came out at age 37, was already done as a player

Jadeja, ban lifted at age 32, played Ranji trophy but made zero impact, done as a player

Sreesanth returned at age 38, playing in Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy and Vijay Hazare Trophy

Mongia accused as a fixer either at end of his career or post retirement


PCB banned its cons at their peaks. BCCI only acted against its fixers after they had already spent their entire careers spreading corruption on crease. Indian fixers also returned to domestic circuits (Jadeja, Sreesanth) but they were just done as players so they couldn't make it into the teams.

Only person who has ever returned in Pakistan post confirmed fixing is Amir who returned at age 23. Kaneria, Asif, Salman ... they never ever returned. I hope Sharjeel is kicked out as well.

(I am against corruption in game no matter who wears what color jersey ...)
 
Even Virat would chuckle at his comparison.
This is what he said in interview :
"You are comparing me with someone watching whom I started cricket. Sachin is the most complete batsman. I am not even worthy of tying his shoelaces"
 
And which one of them ever made a comeback to the Indian team? All of them were permanently sacked by the BCCI.

Yes you guys just put them in the parliament lol
 
Even Virat would chuckle at his comparison.
This is what he said in interview :
"You are comparing me with someone watching whom I started cricket. Sachin is the most complete batsman. I am not even worthy of tying his shoelaces"

Not that I’m saying he’s better than him or not.

But such quotes have little value. Firstly this could be just humility for a hero. Secondly it could be at an earlier stage of his career when such talk was premature etc etc.

For example, Messi would never say he is bette than Maradona and will always be deferential to Maradona regardless of whether he surpassed Maradona as a player or not.
 
Not that I’m saying he’s better than him or not.

But such quotes have little value. Firstly this could be just humility for a hero. Secondly it could be at an earlier stage of his career when such talk was premature etc etc.

For example, Messi would never say he is bette than Maradona and will always be deferential to Maradona regardless of whether he surpassed Maradona as a player or not.

This he said back in 2017. Also, humble or not the world knows SRT's greatness. Even Bradman said that Sachin looks very close to him when batting.
 
This he said back in 2017. Also, humble or not the world knows SRT's greatness. Even Bradman said that Sachin looks very close to him when batting.

Back then there were genuine question marks at his legacy in test cricket due to massive failure in 2014. He fixed it in 2018
 
Top 5 Indian batsman of all-time:-

1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Virat Kohli
3. Sunil Gavaskar
4. Rahul Dravid
5. Virender Sehwag

A strong case can be made for Vijay Hazare and Vijay Manjarekar as well.
 
Why people even think Tendulqar is better than Kohli. Tendulqar is one of the most selfish player I have ever seen. He mainly played for his stats than the team. If Kohli is selfish like Tendulqar he would have at least another 20-25 hundreds more (even few 300+ runs).
 
Why people even think Tendulqar is better than Kohli. Tendulqar is one of the most selfish player I have ever seen. He mainly played for his stats than the team. If Kohli is selfish like Tendulqar he would have at least another 20-25 hundreds more (even few 300+ runs).

LOL..actually a proper definition of " Stats Boosters" are the ones who play slowly for scoring their hundreds.

During Tendulkar's era, Lara and Ponting had much lower strike rates than him. Lara had a S/R of 78 while for Ponting, it was 80. SRT had a S/R of 86.

During Kohli's era, ABD has a S/R of 101. Kohli's S/R of 93 is great but I think he should look to up that S/R a bit more rather than averaging 60 and same applies for KL and Rohit.
 
491 days since his last international century.
 
There are probably 10-15 batsmen in world cricket who are currently better than him.

Please don’t charge me for cricket blasphemy for saying this.
 
Why people even think Tendulqar is better than Kohli. Tendulqar is one of the most selfish player I have ever seen. He mainly played for his stats than the team. If Kohli is selfish like Tendulqar he would have at least another 20-25 hundreds more (even few 300+ runs).


Except his knock in the 100th hundred game, can you point out one "selfish" knock from him. Would greatly appreciate it.
 
Kohli will certainly go down as a better batsman than Tendulker and India's best ever.
 
Kohli will certainly go down as a better batsman than Tendulker and India's best ever.

He will also go down as the most hated player by Indian fans in the history as well. He will easily surpass Dhoni because Dhoni at least had trophies to show. :inti
 
Except his knock in the 100th hundred game, can you point out one "selfish" knock from him. Would greatly appreciate it.

While some might use the selfishness angle to undermine him...there is some truth to it.

Some things are hard to articulate and can only be observed.

Its not a coincidence many accuse him of selfishness across nationalities.

SRT was incredible but he had a selfish streak in him.

So was Lara.

Dhoni started off selfless and then ended up becoming selfish to the core.

Raina is probably the most selfless batsman i have seen in my life.
 
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Except his knock in the 100th hundred game, can you point out one "selfish" knock from him. Would greatly appreciate it.

Only 20 of his 51 Test tons came in Indian wins?

Of course that's a skewed statistic open to interpretation from many angles and depends on other factors I.e team mates, opponent etc. But I thought it was interesting all the same.
 
Only 20 of his 51 Test tons came in Indian wins?

Of course that's a skewed statistic open to interpretation from many angles and depends on other factors I.e team mates, opponent etc. But I thought it was interesting all the same.

Only 8 of Brian Lara's 34 Test centuries came in wins. Is he supposed to be blamed for that?
 
Kohli will certainly go down as a better batsman than Tendulker and India's best ever.

Kohli of 2013-14 had a killer instinct which i didnt see in Tendulkar.

The way he would control the game would make your jaws drop.

But that kohli is long gone.

Kohli's overall career is no match for Tendu.

You were wrong about Kohli back then and wrong about him now.
 
Kohli of 2013-14 had a killer instinct which i didnt see in Tendulkar.

The way he would control the game would make your jaws drop.

But that kohli is long gone.

Kohli's overall career is no match for Tendu.

You were wrong about Kohli back then and wrong about him now.
No match is a wrong word, Kohli is atleast on par with Ponting and no one can say that Pontings overall career is no match for tendu.
 
No match is a wrong word, Kohli is atleast on par with Ponting and no one can say that Pontings overall career is no match for tendu.

Yeah you are right... thats a bit over the top.

Kohli in ODIs can still surpass Tendulkar but sadly the dude is regressing.

I think relinquishing captaincy and focusing on batting might just be the change Kohli needs.
 
You can not compare Kholi with retired players. Let him complete his career to make comparisons meaningful.

Kholi has achieved a lot to date, let’s see what the future holds.
 
Only 20 of his 51 Test tons came in Indian wins?

Of course that's a skewed statistic open to interpretation from many angles and depends on other factors I.e team mates, opponent etc. But I thought it was interesting all the same.


It's okay if you thought that was interesting but how does that imply he was a selfish player?

There is no such thing as a "selfish inning" in test cricket. Just basic common sense...
 
Yeah you are right... thats a bit over the top.

Kohli in ODIs can still surpass Tendulkar but sadly the dude is regressing.

I think relinquishing captaincy and focusing on batting might just be the change Kohli needs.

Kohli is a brand now. He is not going to step down from captaincy. :inti
 
If he has the same longevity he can surpass him. Being 32 ATM, I can't imagine he will play another 200 ODIs and 110 Tests.

For what he is, where he is now - he is the GOAT in ODIs and will finish at ATG level in Tests.
 
There are only 4 GOATs in ODIs:-

1. Viv Richards
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Virat Kohli
4. AB de Villiers

Rest are all ATGs or below.
 
Kohli of 2013-14 had a killer instinct which i didnt see in Tendulkar.

The way he would control the game would make your jaws drop.

But that kohli is long gone.

Kohli's overall career is no match for Tendu.

You were wrong about Kohli back then and wrong about him now.

That Kohli was a FTB. This Kohli has massively improved his game against the moving ball and will surpass Tendulker.
 
Yeah you are right... thats a bit over the top.

Kohli in ODIs can still surpass Tendulkar but sadly the dude is regressing.

I think relinquishing captaincy and focusing on batting might just be the change Kohli needs.

He won't give up the captaincy and no one will take it from him. You really need to move on.
 
That Kohli was a FTB. This Kohli has massively improved his game against the moving ball and will surpass Tendulker.

If cricket was played on stat sheets....then sure.

90s Tendulkar had a flawed SENA record in ODIs.

Yet he was wayyyyy better than 2000s Tendulkar who actually had a balanced record in ODIs.

In ODIs, balanced records in all countries isn't as valuable as scoring in knockout games.
 
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