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More than 8k runs , averaging 36+, strike rate of 87+, More than handy part timer, World cup winning performer ...
Are these attributes enough to call him ATG ODI player???
 
Midwinter13992 said:
More than 8k runs , averaging 36+, strike rate of 87+, More than handy part timer, World cup winning performer ...
Are these attributes enough to call him ATG ODI player???
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If we want to look at the peak purple patches of all greats, Yuvi definitely had one of the great peaks comparable to the best of the best!

But overall, no!! HE wouldn't figure even in the Top 5 ODI greats of India!

Sachin, Saurav, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhoni are already way ahead of him!
 
Tekcirc said:
If we want to look at the peak purple patches of all greats, Yuvi definitely had one of the great peaks comparable to the best of the best!

But overall, no!! HE wouldn't figure even in the Top 5 ODI greats of India!

Sachin, Saurav, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhoni are already way ahead of him!
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He is definitely better than Sehwag who was massive underachiever in ODIs
 
Tekcirc said:
If we want to look at the peak purple patches of all greats, Yuvi definitely had one of the great peaks comparable to the best of the best!

But overall, no!! HE wouldn't figure even in the Top 5 ODI greats of India!

Sachin, Saurav, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhoni are already way ahead of him!
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NO

Nobody rates Sehwag in ODIs, he was a failure in ODIs by Indian batting standards. Dhawan and Gambhir have probably won more ODIs for India. There is a huge gulf between Sehwags heroics in Tests and his ODI exploits.
 
UV has won Player Of The Tournament in a World Cup. That places him far above Sehwag.
 
No.

But he is the ODI version of VVS Laxman, Damien Martyn.

Players who are not ATGs but have ATG abilities in clutch situations.
 
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Tera Gawaandi said:
NO

Nobody rates Sehwag in ODIs, he was a failure in ODIs by Indian batting standards. Dhawan and Gambhir have probably won more ODIs for India. There is a huge gulf between Sehwags heroics in Tests and his ODI exploits.
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Really!! and you guys think Yuvi is better than Sehwag :

Both have almost equal avgs, but Sehwag has a margin of 20 SR!! Sorry, when Sehwag swung, he swung and butchered opposition way harder. Sehwag easily is better than Yuvi even in ODI, even if his ODI stats are underwhelming compared to tests!
 
Amazing player although not an ATG..

Would love to have such players in any limited overs side.
 
He's heavy underachiever not only in odi but overall

On song his stroke making is effortless
 
Tekcirc said:
Really!! and you guys think Yuvi is better than Sehwag :

Both have almost equal avgs, but Sehwag has a margin of 20 SR!! Sorry, when Sehwag swung, he swung and butchered opposition way harder. Sehwag easily is better than Yuvi even in ODI, even if his ODI stats are underwhelming compared to tests!
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Read thread title, UVs overall player utility is much higher than Sehwag in ODIs, you are comparing just batsmenship. UV was a gun fielder. His on-field presence in ODIs is far bigger than Viru.
 
Tera Gawaandi said:
Read thread title, UVs overall player utility is much higher than Sehwag in ODIs, you are comparing just batsmenship. UV was a gun fielder. His on-field presence in ODIs is far bigger than Viru.
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Being an opener sehwag avg same as yuvraj with far superior strike rate

Their is not much diff bw both of them with naked eyes
 
Can Yuvraj Make 200 Today????

Currently he has surpassed his highest ODI score... He is on 146*....Can he get his 1st ODI double hundred??
 
Tera Gawaandi said:
Read thread title, UVs overall player utility is much higher than Sehwag in ODIs, you are comparing just batsmenship. UV was a gun fielder. His on-field presence in ODIs is far bigger than Viru.
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Sehwag set the game with his explosive starts for the likes of Sachin, Gambhir, Dhoni, Yuvi to carry on!
While Yuvi has performed only at home most of his career, Sehwag's stats hardly very be at home or away.
Sehwag took the pitch out of the equation as we all know.

Both had different roles to play, so it would be hard to compare stat v/s stat! But I would put Sehwag over Yuvi, considering we don't play all games in India!
 
Fantastic ODI player, I would prefer him leagues ahead of guys like Dravid or Kallis. But an ATG in the format? Sorry to say, I don't think so.
 
Yuvi is great as anyone when on form. But still not a ATG.
 
Not an ATG, but a great impact player. Amazing to watch when he is in full flow.

A great ODI asset! But did not do any justice to his talent at test level.

I think quality spin was his main weakness throughout his career.
 
Biggest underachiever of Indian Cricket ,he has had match changing impacts esp against stronger teams in LOI,sadly was never consistent inspite of being very talented.
 
You need either an average of 40+ or strike rate above 90+ to be considered ATG. Yuvraj average is average and strike is above average. An ODI great perhaps but nowhere near ATG. Being MoT in world cup tournament doesn't matter much, he's been extremely inconsistent
 
Not too consistent in JAMODIs, but turned up at the 2007 World T20 and the 2011 World Cup, which is pretty much enough for having a successful LoI career.

An Indian ATG for sure, will make our all-time ODI XI. T20s? Maybe there too.
 
Would have been but for cancer.

Still very good.Kinda like Symonds
 
The Punjab left-hander would make a final decision only if he gets permission from the BCCI. It has been learnt that Yuvraj has come to terms with the fact that he is unlikely to play for India.

“Yuvraj is thinking of calling it quits from international and first-class cricket. He would like to speak to the BCCI and get more clarity on plying his trade in tournaments like GT20 (Canada), Euro T20 Slam in Ireland and Holland as he has offers,” a BCCI source privy to the development, informed on Sunday.

Recently, Irfan Pathan put his name in the draft for the Caribbean Premier League but Pathan junior is an active first-class player, who didn’t seek permission from the BCCI.

“Irfan was told to withdraw his name from the draft. As far as Yuvraj is concerned, we need to check the rules. Even if he retires from first-class cricket, he will still be an active T20 player registered under BCCI. The rule needs to be checked,” a senior BCCI functionary said.

Yuvraj played for Mumbai Indians in this year’s Indian Premier League (IPL 2019) but didn’t get many chances which might have prompted him to seriously think about future plans.

The leagues like one in Canada and the new venture in Dublin and Amstelveen can gain a lot of mileage if Yuvraj plays in the league.

There is a school of thought that if Zaheer Khan and Virender Sehwag can be a part of a T10 venture in Dubai then why can’t Yuvraj be allowed.

However, the BCCI official said, “The T10 might have been approved by the ICC but it’s still not an acknowledged format. But yes, going forward, as and when the players association takes shape, the case for retired players may come up for consideration.”

He agreed that in principle, retired international players should be allowed to take part in Big Bash League, Caribbean Premier League or the Bangladesh Premier League, if they get offers.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...sion-to-compete-in-private-t20-leagues-845712
 
Captain caveman said:
Yuvraj singh an all time great odi player?
ABSOLUTELY!
man of the tournamnt 2011WC.
LEGEND!
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No he is not, he much like gambhir was a man who performed brilliantly in big game situations but his overall figures don't warrant a ATG tag.
 
jagatk said:
No he is not, he much like gambhir was a man who performed brilliantly in big game situations but his overall figures don't warrant a ATG tag.
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People remember players who play huge part in winning world cups not stats. Why was Tendy desperate to win a wc because it is the pinnacle of odis,,even though he had outstanding odi stats. Same for kohli. Even in football.maradonna is q legend to argentian fans but messi isnt even though messi has better stats.
Gambhir performed in world t20 final and world cup final but not throughout the tournament and was not the man of the tournament. True gambhir hqd some good tournament performances just like shikhar.
 
jagatk said:
No he is not, he much like gambhir was a man who performed brilliantly in big game situations but his overall figures don't warrant a ATG tag.
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I cant believe there are people who say Yuvraj isnt a LOI ATG. I thought its a for granted thing.
 
Madplayer said:
I cant believe there are people who say Yuvraj isnt a LOI ATG. I thought its a for granted thing.
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ATG is a very big tag. I love Yuvi and he has carried us to couple of icc trophies but there are plenty of players from all over the world who have done that and more.
 
JattMaula said:
ATG is a very big tag. I love Yuvi and he has carried us to couple of icc trophies but there are plenty of players from all over the world who have done that and more.
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Not many! Mostly from the great WI and Aussie teams. Oh well greatness is subjective, some base it on stats and others base it like myself , on impact and achievemts i.e. player of tournaments in WC and icc global events.
Each to their own. But for me Yuvi you are a legend!
 
MenInG said:
The Punjab left-hander would make a final decision only if he gets permission from the BCCI. It has been learnt that Yuvraj has come to terms with the fact that he is unlikely to play for India.

“Yuvraj is thinking of calling it quits from international and first-class cricket. He would like to speak to the BCCI and get more clarity on plying his trade in tournaments like GT20 (Canada), Euro T20 Slam in Ireland and Holland as he has offers,” a BCCI source privy to the development, informed on Sunday.

Recently, Irfan Pathan put his name in the draft for the Caribbean Premier League but Pathan junior is an active first-class player, who didn’t seek permission from the BCCI.

“Irfan was told to withdraw his name from the draft. As far as Yuvraj is concerned, we need to check the rules. Even if he retires from first-class cricket, he will still be an active T20 player registered under BCCI. The rule needs to be checked,” a senior BCCI functionary said.

Yuvraj played for Mumbai Indians in this year’s Indian Premier League (IPL 2019) but didn’t get many chances which might have prompted him to seriously think about future plans.

The leagues like one in Canada and the new venture in Dublin and Amstelveen can gain a lot of mileage if Yuvraj plays in the league.

There is a school of thought that if Zaheer Khan and Virender Sehwag can be a part of a T10 venture in Dubai then why can’t Yuvraj be allowed.

However, the BCCI official said, “The T10 might have been approved by the ICC but it’s still not an acknowledged format. But yes, going forward, as and when the players association takes shape, the case for retired players may come up for consideration.”

He agreed that in principle, retired international players should be allowed to take part in Big Bash League, Caribbean Premier League or the Bangladesh Premier League, if they get offers.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...sion-to-compete-in-private-t20-leagues-845712
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this post should've been a different thread... Feel for Pathan.. he don't get IPL contracts and now he can't play other leagues.. I think Pathan is not contracted by BCCI, so how can they stop him..
 
Captain caveman said:
Not many! Mostly from the great WI and Aussie teams. Oh well greatness is subjective, some base it on stats and others base it like myself , on impact and achievemts i.e. player of tournaments in WC and icc global events.
Each to their own. But for me Yuvi you are a legend!
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Of course he is a legend. His legends will be told as long as cricket is played.
 
To be honest I don’t really care.

Yuvi has always been a fan favourite. Nobody can deny his ability to turn a match on its head with his game changing hitting ability.

Also he has been one of the most elegant stroke makers. That high back lift and follow through of his is pure artistry.


If i have to pay good money to watch someone go berserk with he bat, Yuvi would be in the top of my wish list.

People always talk about Gautam Gambhir’s efforts in the final of two world cups that India won. Yuvraj was easily our best player overall in both of those tournaments however. In 2007, he single handedly destroyed Australia in the semi final to pave way for India to defeat a relatively easier opponent in the final. He repeated the same in 2011 when his clutch half century kept us in the hunt.

Let’s remember, without Yuvraj’s semi final blitzkrieg there would be no gautam Gambhir show in the final and without Yuvraj’s QF effort against Aussies there would be no Mohali semi final or MSD moment in the final.

His average isn’t up there with many players but he was a clutch player and a match winner. With the bat, in he field and even with his part time bowling.

I sometimes wonder what player he could have been if he had the work ethic of Virat’s kohli but then Yuvi is Yuvi and he’s always been our favourite just the way he is.

Thanks for the memories.

Even today I feel goosebumps when Yuvraj hits a six and has that fire in his eyes for the next delivery.

I would not trade him.
 
jagatk said:
No he is not, he much like gambhir was a man who performed brilliantly in big game situations but his overall figures don't warrant a ATG tag.
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Gambhir, the ODI player doesn't deserve to be mentioned in same sentence as Yuvraj. Apart from a purple patch of 2-3 years, Gambhir doesn't have much to show in ODIs. On the other hand, Yuvraj has at least a decade of prominence in ODIs. If not for cancer, he'd have achieved greater heights in ODIs than he eventually did.

As a test player, sure Gambhir is better than Yuvraj.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
To be honest I don’t really care.

Yuvi has always been a fan favourite. Nobody can deny his ability to turn a match on its head with his game changing hitting ability.

Also he has been one of the most elegant stroke makers. That high back lift and follow through of his is pure artistry.


If i have to pay good money to watch someone go berserk with he bat, Yuvi would be in the top of my wish list.

People always talk about Gautam Gambhir’s efforts in the final of two world cups that India won. Yuvraj was easily our best player overall in both of those tournaments however. In 2007, he single handedly destroyed Australia in the semi final to pave way for India to defeat a relatively easier opponent in the final. He repeated the same in 2011 when his clutch half century kept us in the hunt.

Let’s remember, without Yuvraj’s semi final blitzkrieg there would be no gautam Gambhir show in the final and without Yuvraj’s QF effort against Aussies there would be no Mohali semi final or MSD moment in the final.

His average isn’t up there with many players but he was a clutch player and a match winner. With the bat, in he field and even with his part time bowling.

I sometimes wonder what player he could have been if he had the work ethic of Virat’s kohli but then Yuvi is Yuvi and he’s always been our favourite just the way he is.

Thanks for the memories.

Even today I feel goosebumps when Yuvraj hits a six and has that fire in his eyes for the next delivery.

I would not trade him.
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Nicely put.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
To be honest I don’t really care.

Yuvi has always been a fan favourite. Nobody can deny his ability to turn a match on its head with his game changing hitting ability.

Also he has been one of the most elegant stroke makers. That high back lift and follow through of his is pure artistry.


If i have to pay good money to watch someone go berserk with he bat, Yuvi would be in the top of my wish list.

People always talk about Gautam Gambhir’s efforts in the final of two world cups that India won. Yuvraj was easily our best player overall in both of those tournaments however. In 2007, he single handedly destroyed Australia in the semi final to pave way for India to defeat a relatively easier opponent in the final. He repeated the same in 2011 when his clutch half century kept us in the hunt.

Let’s remember, without Yuvraj’s semi final blitzkrieg there would be no gautam Gambhir show in the final and without Yuvraj’s QF effort against Aussies there would be no Mohali semi final or MSD moment in the final.

His average isn’t up there with many players but he was a clutch player and a match winner. With the bat, in he field and even with his part time bowling.

I sometimes wonder what player he could have been if he had the work ethic of Virat’s kohli but then Yuvi is Yuvi and he’s always been our favourite just the way he is.

Thanks for the memories.

Even today I feel goosebumps when Yuvraj hits a six and has that fire in his eyes for the next delivery.

I would not trade him.
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This.

Yuvi is an emotion.

Stats can't capture his greatness.
 
He is capable of playing ATG knocks and ATG spells. But he is not an ATG. But a very dangerous LO player in his day.
 
By Pakistan standards, he is an ATG.

India should give Dhoni as much credit as possible for changing the face of their cricket forever. Systematically getting rid of Gautam, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Zaheer when they were beginning to rust wouldn't have been easy. But he stood his ground, introduced professionalism in selection criteria, got the overall merit strengthened and became a role model for form, fitness and hardwork.

The fruits of his hard work will be eaten for many years. Even today, you had Pant perform in the IPL but wouldn't get in the squad. You had Harbhajan bowl well but nobody will even think about taking him over Chahal or Kuldeep no matter how much the experience.

They may lose the tournament, but the important bottom line is that they carefully identify and select the best 15 and then stick with them. They don't chop and change drastically with every series.
 
Pre-cancer Yuvraj is the best batsman I've seen in my life. Something even Kohli can even dream of being. Its unfair to look at his current average. He's a walking shadow these days.
 
If he had the work ethic and mental ability of Kohli he would have been an ATG full stop.

His stats do not do him justice, the way he made Indian fans feel about him makes him an Indian LOI ATG and a Bevan level player in general.
He is my favourite indian player ever, simply because it was a joy watching him play and it was upsetting watching hm being dismissed.
Not to mention what him alongside Kaif done for indian fielding standards.
 
Energy said:
By Pakistan standards, he is an ATG.

India should give Dhoni as much credit as possible for changing the face of their cricket forever. Systematically getting rid of Gautam, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Zaheer when they were beginning to rust wouldn't have been easy. But he stood his ground, introduced professionalism in selection criteria, got the overall merit strengthened and became a role model for form, fitness and hardwork.

The fruits of his hard work will be eaten for many years. Even today, you had Pant perform in the IPL but wouldn't get in the squad. You had Harbhajan bowl well but nobody will even think about taking him over Chahal or Kuldeep no matter how much the experience.

They may lose the tournament, but the important bottom line is that they carefully identify and select the best 15 and then stick with them. They don't chop and change drastically with every series.
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I get your larger point but Harbhajan bowled well?

Dude was openly chucking and did well cos he only played on Chennai rank turners in IPL.

It was embarrassing watching him bowl.
 
India's 2011 WC squad was so strong in terms of batting. Clutch players like Yuvraj and Raina to finish games off.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I get your larger point but Harbhajan bowled well?

Dude was openly chucking and did well cos he only played on Chennai rank turners in IPL.

It was embarrassing watching him bowl.
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If it was Pakistan, he'd still be playing. So would be Raina and Yuvraj.
 
ATG, you must be joking , India has produced dozens of better ODI batsmen than him.
 
Limited Overs Great but can't call him an ATG because in tests he didn't fare as well. If he was batting in the current era of flatter wickets and lower bowling standards in the longest form of the game, he would be shining with an average in the mid 40s at least. Let's not forget he was a fantastic player of spin as well. I miss watching him play.
 
Excellent LO bat. A fantastic match winner and a game changer.

India became a team to beat in ODIs due to Yuvi-Dhoni era. Nobody can take the place of the duo in my Indian ODI XI at 5 & 6.
 
Why are people still discussing this, with the world cup just days away? I think the general opinion is that if you love stats then Yuvi is not an ATG but if you have seen Yuvi play, like i was priviledged to have, especially in icc global events and know anything about cricket , you would know the man is not only an ATG but a LEGEND!
 
Raina , Yuvraj , Dhoni were instrumental in so many chases.

Yuvraj was high impact player , a real match winner.
 
Justcrazy said:
Raina , Yuvraj , Dhoni were instrumental in so many chases.

Yuvraj was high impact player , a real match winner.
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I never understood why suresh raina never receives much credit for his clutch performances. The man was a beast in his prime.
 
Who does not remember the inaugural T20 World Cup in South Africa back in 2007? At the time, the shortest format of cricket was just being introduced to the world, and there were many naysayers of the format, who did not believe that T20 cricket could work out. But the World Cup changed everything.

With sensational power hitting rarely seen on cricket field, innovating cricketing shots, and a number of close games, T20 World Cup 2007 was an instant hit among the fans. A new era of cricket had arrived. One of the major highlights of the tournament, that helped in making the spectacle as big as it is today was when India middle-order batsman Yuvraj Singh went on a rampage against Stuart Broad and smashed him for six sixes.

During India’s group stage match against England, Yuvraj found himself getting in a verbal spat with Andrew Flintoff. The words from the former English all-rounder did not go down well with Yuvraj, and he decided to reply back with his bat in the next over. Poor Stuart Broad had no idea what was coming his way.

“One thing about the 2007 T20 World Cup. During the time of the 2007 T20 World Cup, I remember very well, there was Test cricket and there was one-day cricket. When T20 came suddenly, many greats said that it was timepass cricket and didn’t want to come. ‘Is T20 cricket even cricket?’ was what seemed to be their opinion,” India off-spinner Ravichandran Ashwin recalled the moment in the latest video uploaded on his Youtube channel ‘Reminiscence with Ash’.

“And when the entire nation was watching it, that’s when that MS Dhoni team really hit it out of the park. And Yuvraj Singh was the ace up their sleeve. He smashed Broad for six sixes. Never had I seen Broad in such a situation before,”Ashwin went off.

“After four sixes, the captain and bowler had a discussion. Three, four players joined in. Then all the 11 joined in. And after that, 17. Even the support staff came running in. They kept talking,” he further recalled.

“But what was the point of talking? If you are smashed around like that, I am saying this as a bowler, you are really rattled. You don’t know what you are going to do next. Even Broad, he was my teammate at Nottingham. Very good person. But he got hit for six sixes and Yuvi won that battle,” Ashwin further said.

The history-making moment lifted the spirits of the MS Dhoni-led Indian team as they went on to win the T20 World Cup title in 2007 after defeating Pakistan in a nail-biting thriller of a final.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...h-s-6-sixes/story-8OIzRvxCTZDKkjJCuLbCSO.html
 
Yeah he is. The greatest match winner India ever saw. Barring Azharuddin, all our Indian players who walk into all-time XI are ATGs.
 
Ab Fan said:
Yeah he is. The greatest match winner India ever saw. Barring Azharuddin, all our Indian players who walk into all-time XI are ATGs.
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Batsmen you mean. In the odi all time XI, only Kapil goes in as an ATG. Others like Bumrah, Zaheer, Srinath and Shami are not really ATG.
 
Man of the tournament in the World Cup, you don’t get that award if you’re not an ATG. Much respect for a man with character, passion, and patriotism for his country. A good human.
 
On the occasion of International Lefthanders day:

Yuvraj - Another left-hander who was phenomenal in his time.
 
No way was he an ATG. Like anyone else could be good on his day like we saw versus England when he smashed Stuart Broad for 6 big ones. If I am captain leading an ATG side Yuvraj would be no way near my side.
 
Cancer ruined him and his career. Had he shown the same form after 2011 that he showed from 2001 to 2011, he would have gone down as an Indian ODI and T20 ATG for sure
 
Hari Sombar said:
If he had the work ethic and mental ability of Kohli he would have been an ATG full stop.

His stats do not do him justice, the way he made Indian fans feel about him makes him an Indian LOI ATG and a Bevan level player in general.
He is my favourite indian player ever, simply because it was a joy watching him play and it was upsetting watching hm being dismissed.
Not to mention what him alongside Kaif done for indian fielding standards.
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Yuvraj mentioned in an interview that watching how Kohli trained in the gym, nets and go about his fitness, fielding drills actually was a huge lesson for him and made him regret why didn't he show the same passion and drive early on in his own career when he had youth, fitness, reflexes on his side.
 
Savak said:
Cancer ruined him and his career. Had he shown the same form after 2011 that he showed from 2001 to 2011, he would have gone down as an Indian ODI and T20 ATG for sure
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That's just an excuse. He was never that consistent to begin with and was coming towards the end of his career when the disease hit him.
 
Indian great, not ATG. I wouldn't include him in any world XI. His bowling isn't good enough and his batting isn't exceptional.

Had a lot of talent but never consistent enough
 
PakLFC said:
That's just an excuse. He was never that consistent to begin with and was coming towards the end of his career when the disease hit him.
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Cancer is just an excuse is one of the most moronic lines I've ever read on here. Not surprising it's coming from Liverpool fan.
 
Unleashed said:
Cancer is just an excuse is one of the most moronic lines I've ever read on here. Not surprising it's coming from Liverpool fan.
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I don't know what being a Liverpool fan has to do with it that itself shows your ignorance. I said Yuvraj was never that great a player even when he was cancer free. I hope your brain is able to digest this simple point. I for personal reasons know more about cancer then most people.
 
He was a very valuable ODI player for India. A good batsman, a useful bowler, and a very good fielder. But sorry to say, he was not an ODI ATG.
 
Yuvi, Symonds are two players who will never be called ATG but they will win an many matches for your team as any ATG does.

Put it this way, if you include them in the current Pakistani team they will easily outshine all others and will be the most talked about players in the team without a doubt and also the best match winners.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Yuvi, Symonds are two players who will never be called ATG but they will win an many matches for your team as any ATG does.

Put it this way, if you include them in the current Pakistani team they will easily outshine all others and will be the most talked about players in the team without a doubt and also the best match winners.
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Andrew Symonds was a brilliant ODI player. Better than Yuvraj, in my opinion.
 
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