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Xi visited the volatile Xinjiang region, where the Chinese security forces for the last several years have made efforts to control protests by Uygur Muslims over settlements from Han Chinese from outside the province.

President Xi Jinping has asked officials to step up efforts to uphold the principle that Islam in China must be Chinese in orientation and religions in the country should adapt to the socialist society being pursued by the ruling Communist Party of China.

Xi visited the volatile Xinjiang region, where the Chinese security forces for the last several years have made efforts to control protests by Uygur Muslims over settlements from Han Chinese from outside the province.

During his four-day tour of the region which started on July 12, Xi met with officials. He stressed fostering a strong sense of community for the Chinese nation, promoting exchanges, interactions and integration among different ethnic groups, the official media reported.

Xi underlined the need to improve the governance capacity of religious affairs and realise the healthy development of religions.

Enhanced efforts should be made to uphold the principle that Islam in China must be Chinese in orientation, and to adapt religions to socialist society, he was quoted as saying by the state-run Xinhua news agency.

The normal religious needs of believers should be ensured and they should be united closely around the party and the government, Xi added.

In the past few years, the president has been advocating the “sinicization” of Islam which broadly means bringing it in tune with the policies of the ruling Communist Party.

Stressing the importance of cultural identity, Xi called for educating and guiding people of all ethnic groups to strengthen their identification with the motherland, the Chinese nation, Chinese culture, the Communist Party of China (CPC) and socialism with Chinese characteristics.

China has been battling allegations of mass incarcerations of Uygur Muslims in camps, which Beijing describes as de-radicalisation and education centres.

China accuses the separatist East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM) which is active in the region of carrying out numerous terrorist attacks.

Beijing also downplays western allegations of massive human rights violations against Uygur Muslims and refutes the US and the EU allegations of genocide against Muslims in the province.

Recently, UN Human Rights Council chief Michelle Bachelet visited Xinjiang after a long drawn-out negotiation process with Beijing to look into the allegations of the internment of over a million Uygur Muslims of different ages as part of China’s crackdown on Islamist militants.

At the end of her visit to Xinjiang on May 28, Bachelet said she raised questions and concerns over the application of counter-terrorism and de-radicalisation measures and their broad application, particularly their impact on the rights of Uygurs and other predominantly Muslim minorities.

https://indianexpress.com/article/w...ese-orientation-president-xi-jinping-8033799/
 
President Xi Jinping has asked officials to step up efforts to uphold the principle that Islam in China must be Chinese in orientation and religions in the country should adapt to the socialist society being pursued by the ruling Communist Party of China.

Alright BBCDs, your Sunday agenda is set. Come out with the defense for Master Eleven now!
 
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Much like France - the State first, religion second.
 
Seems to be communism first, that is how the Chinese appear to define their state. I still don't understand what is Chinese about communism.

It’s not communism in the Lenin sense. I believe Mao Tse Tung had very little in common with Kruschev when they met.
 
There is no issue here, Muslims must abide by the laws of the land as long as they are allowed to practice their faith which they are.

Our fellow Hindutva saffron clad supporters may jump up with joy with any news of conflict between China and Muslims but China doesnt target Muslims unlike Hindustan which cant get over being ruled by a minority.
 
There is no issue here, Muslims must abide by the laws of the land as long as they are allowed to practice their faith which they are.

Our fellow Hindutva saffron clad supporters may jump up with joy with any news of conflict between China and Muslims but China doesnt target Muslims unlike Hindustan which cant get over being ruled by a minority.

That's the key. You must abide by the law of the land, nice to see our Hindutva clan show concerns within China yet completely blank their own issues where Kashmir is a much bigger issue.
 
That's the key. You must abide by the law of the land, nice to see our Hindutva clan show concerns within China yet completely blank their own issues where Kashmir is a much bigger issue.

Its sad to see but Hindu far right get turned on when they read anything they see as negative news against Muslims by other countries. In their sick mind it helps them justify a man being lynched for walking a cow or a girl being raped in Kashmir because of some Pandit in tears in 1925.
 
Waiting for Qatar, Maldives, Brunei, UAE, Oman to summon Chinese Ambassador.

Maybe the heat is making you slow. Chinese government spokesperson has not spread hate against the Prophet(pbuh) in any speech. Your idiot of a woman did, she is now sitting back watching highlights of Kohli in the IPL on repeat.
 
Had this been the Indian govt making this statement replacing the word China with India, the reaction here by few posters would had been different. Infact, this thread would have had more replies
 
Had this been the Indian govt making this statement replacing the word China with India, the reaction here by few posters would had been different. Infact, this thread would have had more replies

People only protest against Governments that care. China does not care what others think. Indian Government is weak.
 
Maybe the heat is making you slow. Chinese government spokesperson has not spread hate against the Prophet(pbuh) in any speech. Your idiot of a woman did, she is now sitting back watching highlights of Kohli in the IPL on repeat.

Answer this for me. Is there a Chinese Oriented Islam?
 
Answer this for me. Is there a Chinese Oriented Islam?

Firstly Im glad you have accepted your comparison was pretty stupid. :sachin

Islam has 5 pillars, Prayer, Charity, Pilgrimage, Declaration of faith and Fasting. If you do these, you can become part of any other cultural aspects of the country as long its not a sin, eating pork etc. Islam can be oriented with any culture or nation, Chinese ,Western , Arabic. This is why this faith is huge, all over the world.
 
There is no issue here, Muslims must abide by the laws of the land as long as they are allowed to practice their faith which they are.

Our fellow Hindutva saffron clad supporters may jump up with joy with any news of conflict between China and Muslims but China doesnt target Muslims unlike Hindustan which cant get over being ruled by a minority.

When did subcontinental muslims ruled over India?

Good that you agree that muslims must abide by the laws of the land.
 
That's the key. You must abide by the law of the land, nice to see our Hindutva clan show concerns within China yet completely blank their own issues where Kashmir is a much bigger issue.

Muslims in India too must abide by the laws of a secular non islamic non muslim majority country.
 
When did subcontinental muslims ruled over India?

Good that you agree that muslims must abide by the laws of the land.

:)))

Hindutva denial is gold.

Many Muslims who were born IN what is now India ruled over a majority of Hindus. Basic history unless your teacher is the chaiwala Modi. :sachin
 
Had this been the Indian govt making this statement replacing the word China with India, the reaction here by few posters would had been different. Infact, this thread would have had more replies
Would have crossed 10 pages.
I would like to see twitter star IK tweets on this.
 
Firstly Im glad you have accepted your comparison was pretty stupid. :sachin

Islam has 5 pillars, Prayer, Charity, Pilgrimage, Declaration of faith and Fasting. If you do these, you can become part of any other cultural aspects of the country as long its not a sin, eating pork etc. Islam can be oriented with any culture or nation, Chinese ,Western , Arabic. This is why this faith is huge, all over the world.

China banned fasting during Ramadan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/11082244

China destroys mosques

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-mosques-destroyed-damaged-china-report-finds

China forces muslims to eat pork

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...o-eat-pork-as-hog-farming-in-xinjiang-expands

China also forces muslim to drink alcohol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...pring-festival-uighur-islam-a8767561.html?amp
 
:)))

Hindutva denial is gold.

Many Muslims who were born IN what is now India ruled over a majority of Hindus. Basic history unless your teacher is the chaiwala Modi. :sachin

Irony is that your problem is with Hindus criticizing “China” on their treatment of “Muslims” :))

I think I am the only one seeing the humor here.
 
:)))

Hindutva denial is gold.

Many Muslims who were born IN what is now India ruled over a majority of Hindus. Basic history unless your teacher is the chaiwala Modi. :sachin

No subcontinental muslim ruled over India. The Sultunate rulers or Mughals or the conquerors were all from outside the subcontinent. Subcontinental muslims just converted to the religion of those rulers. Now some of them want to steal credit for the conquest of the Arabs, Persians and central Asians.


Now go read history from proper books and not some tin pot mullah from some seminary.
 
Irony is that your problem is with Hindus criticizing “China” on their treatment of “Muslims” :))

I think I am the only one seeing the humor here.

He believes that subcontinental muslims ruled over India. :))

He is at the forefront of trying to steal the credit of Arabs persians and central Asians.
 
No subcontinental muslim ruled over India. The Sultunate rulers or Mughals or the conquerors were all from outside the subcontinent. Subcontinental muslims just converted to the religion of those rulers. Now some of them want to steal credit for the conquest of the Arabs, Persians and central Asians.


Now go read history from proper books and not some tin pot mullah from some seminary.

Is this Hindutva history? :sachin

Where was Akbar born?
 

lol.

Ramadan was huge in China. Nothing was forced on Muslims in general. Its a separatist issue in one area.

Please dont pretend to care, you wake up every day in a rage knowing Muslims ruled for so long and there is nothing you can do about it.
 
lol.

Ramadan was huge in China. Nothing was forced on Muslims in general. Its a separatist issue in one area.

Please dont pretend to care, you wake up every day in a rage knowing Muslims ruled for so long and there is nothing you can do about it.

So the media was/lying? All of them?

I wake up every day being thankful to my ancestors that they kept fighting the invaders and preserved our culture and religion. And that i live in a secular country and we have our own rules and the likes of can only try to steal the credit of the Arabs Persians Central Asians.
 
So the media was/lying? All of them?

I wake up every day being thankful to my ancestors that they kept fighting the invaders and preserved our culture and religion. And that i live in a secular country and we have our own rules and the likes of can only try to steal the credit of the Arabs Persians Central Asians.

Statements of people is not proof. Do you know these people personally ?You will never condemn any Indian army person for raping a schoolgirl but are now suddenly concerned?

I thought you ran away from your homeland and are now living in modern day India? Make up your mind.
 
Pakistanis calling anyone fascist makes no difference. Your former PM kept howling on twitter, no one bothered. So understand how much value that carries.

They have no choice. Everyone has to follow the rules. Yet some of them feel they can impose islamic rules here. We know how to put them striaght.

The face value of your concerns for the muslims of China has to be taken as a pinch of salt. Your condemnation of China is all political as China is the daddy of the region.

Kashmir which is far worse, yet your total hypocrisy is shown time and time again.
 
Statements of people is not proof. Do you know these people personally ?You will never condemn any Indian army person for raping a schoolgirl but are now suddenly concerned?

I thought you ran away from your homeland and are now living in modern day India? Make up your mind.

Lol, he's more faces than big Ben.
 
The face value of your concerns for the muslims of China has to be taken as a pinch of salt. Your condemnation of China is all political as China is the daddy of the region.

Kashmir which is far worse, yet your total hypocrisy is shown time and time again.

China may be your daddy. For India they are not. We dont take handouts bailouts and loans from China.

Why does your feelings for the ummah takes a hike when China comes into the picture?
 
Statements of people is not proof. Do you know these people personally ?You will never condemn any Indian army person for raping a schoolgirl but are now suddenly concerned?

I thought you ran away from your homeland and are now living in modern day India? Make up your mind.

I can post articles from as many media outlets as you want.

My home land is India. Why did you run away from a islamic muslim majority country to a western liberal Christian majority country and pay obeisance to a Christian monarch.
 
I can post articles from as many media outlets as you want.

My home land is India. Why did you run away from a islamic muslim majority country to a western liberal Christian majority country and pay obeisance to a Christian monarch.

Im sure you can also count to 10 in Sanskrit.

I dont bow down to any man or stone. Immigration is usually when you can earn more money and have a better life as many of our parents did.

But lets not let you run away from your claim. You said your ancestors fought but you dont you live in your original native land, you moved out not because of improving your life but because you didnt want to remain and fight for it. Not much different to those when the Muslims arrived is it?

Chinese have a right to defend their land from separatists, just as Kashmiris have a right to defend themselves against occupiers.
 
Im sure you can also count to 10 in Sanskrit.

I dont bow down to any man or stone. Immigration is usually when you can earn more money and have a better life as many of our parents did.

But lets not let you run away from your claim. You said your ancestors fought but you dont you live in your original native land, you moved out not because of improving your life but because you didnt want to remain and fight for it. Not much different to those when the Muslims arrived is it?

Chinese have a right to defend their land from separatists, just as Kashmiris have a right to defend themselves against occupiers.
You support the subjugation of a native peoples, namely Muslim?.

So you also condone Israel I trust
 
China may be your daddy. For India they are not. We dont take handouts bailouts and loans from China.

Why does your feelings for the ummah takes a hike when China comes into the picture?

My feeling for the ummah is as strong as ever. I'm not taking any suggestions from a hypocrite whose sole aim is to bring politics with religion. I know exactly what is going in China.
 
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Im sure you can also count to 10 in Sanskrit.

I dont bow down to any man or stone. Immigration is usually when you can earn more money and have a better life as many of our parents did.

But lets not let you run away from your claim. You said your ancestors fought but you dont you live in your original native land, you moved out not because of improving your life but because you didnt want to remain and fight for it. Not much different to those when the Muslims arrived is it?

Chinese have a right to defend their land from separatists, just as Kashmiris have a right to defend themselves against occupiers.

Considering my ancestors wrote some of the earliest treatises on mathematics and in Sanskrit, i can count a lot in Sanskrit.

Your Queen is a Christian whom you pay your obsieance to.

I belong to Bengal and i still live in Bengal what are you talking about.

Uighyrs are separatists and Terrorists in Kashmir are defenders. Lol.
 
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Well, don't expect much participation from the Ummah Brigade on this thread..

Just because India has a beef with China, you expect Pakistanis too care about this issue?

Issues effecting Muslims in Myanmar, Western Sahara, Yemen, Syria, Darfur, Russia, Phillipines, etc, also dont get much attention here.
 
Had this been the Indian govt making this statement replacing the word China with India, the reaction here by few posters would had been different. Infact, this thread would have had more replies

This is because Pakistanis feel a sense of kinship with Indian Muslims, that they dont feel with Muslims in China. Which is why Pakistani media will cover things like Gujarat riots, Delhi riots, Kashmir, etc. However will not cover problems that Muslims in Yemen and Syria, or Checenya or Darfur, or China or Myanmar are facing. Not a hard concept to understand.

People only protest against Governments that care. China does not care what others think. Indian Government is weak.

Nothing to do with weakness, just people protest when they feel a connection with the issue.
 
Its sad to see but Hindu far right get turned on when they read anything they see as negative news against Muslims by other countries. In their sick mind it helps them justify a man being lynched for walking a cow or a girl being raped in Kashmir because of some Pandit in tears in 1925.

In 1925 and the entire Dogra raj it was Kashmiri Muslims in tears not the pandits.
 
Turkestan is an autonomous state that predates China. Therefore China is an occupier

We cant go by your Games of Thrones history or what you believe. Under current Int law, Xinjiang is part of China. Please think before you write daft comparisons.
 
So the media was/lying? All of them?

I wake up every day being thankful to my ancestors that they kept fighting the invaders and preserved our culture and religion. And that i live in a secular country and we have our own rules and the likes of can only try to steal the credit of the Arabs Persians Central Asians.

What fighting? Upper caste Hindus were serving the Sultanates and Mughals in administrations and the Army. Many of them gave their daughters to Muslim men which resulted in them having Muslim grand children.
 
No subcontinental muslim ruled over India. The Sultunate rulers or Mughals or the conquerors were all from outside the subcontinent. Subcontinental muslims just converted to the religion of those rulers. Now some of them want to steal credit for the conquest of the Arabs, Persians and central Asians.


Now go read history from proper books and not some tin pot mullah from some seminary.

To humor you I will use the following examples of people who surely even Hindu Nationalst cant call foreigners.

Gujrat Sultanate - was formed by Muslim Rajputs. Since apparently you are well versed in history you must what Mahmud Begada did to a certain mandir in Somnath.

Ahmadnagar Sultanate & Berar Sultanate - were formed by Muslims who had Brahmin ancestors. I am sure you must have heard of the Battle of Talikota, their descendants took part in it. It was a tag team battle with the "foreign" Muslims of the Bidar, Bijapur, and Golcanda Sultantate.

I can go on and on, however their is no point. Their is no difference between the Muslims who came from outside the subcontinent and those who were locals and converted to Islam. These people have intermarried for 1,000 years.
 
Is this Hindutva history? :sachin

Where was Akbar born?

The thing is that that Upper Caste Hindus think very highly of themselves. The idea that the subcontinent had a Muslim elite who ruled for centuries is very difficult for them to accept. So they will call them "invader", "foreigner", "migrant", etc.

I remember one of these Hindu Nationalist on this forum talking about Mirza Ghalib, and how he is "theirs". Little did this fool know that Mirza Ghalib family came to the subcontinent from Central Asia 200 years after Babur.
 
Islam has been a part of China since its very beginning. Plus that article is dubious. Does anyone have a better link to this news that is not from the modi media. It would give us a bit more balance to discuss further.

For the time being it is amusing watching the fascists jumping up and down..

You are aware that Islamic culture has played a massive role in the rise of China itself..for example halal food is available for Chinese Muslims students at University for years. There are cities in the east of China nearly totally Muslim..

Yes the Chinese govt Does not approve of dawah. There is no doubt but they do not stop anything else. Another good example is during Eid ul azha there are butchers waiting outside the mosque to slaughter your lamb or cow and even sell you an animal for slaughter..last I heard you need to ask permission from your Hindu neighbours to do this in India..we'll that was pre modi in modi land you'll probably get lynched for it.
 
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We cant go by your Games of Thrones history or what you believe. Under current Int law, Xinjiang is part of China. Please think before you write daft comparisons.

So you believe in international law and the legitimacy of Israel?
 
There is no issue here, Muslims must abide by the laws of the land as long as they are allowed to practice their faith which they are.

Our fellow Hindutva saffron clad supporters may jump up with joy with any news of conflict between China and Muslims but China doesnt target Muslims unlike Hindustan which cant get over being ruled by a minority.

Surprised you’re not throwing a fit about Chinese orientation of Islam. Isn’t there just one orientation? Last I checked, your prophet wasn’t Chinese.

Or is there done “flexibility” in your stance here because it’s a state friendly to a country you have distant ties with (being British).

For the record, I agree with China. Their country, their choice of the first kalma begins with Ni Hao in their version of the Quran. Just surprised to see the Julian’s in agreement.
 
Had this been the Indian govt making this statement replacing the word China with India, the reaction here by few posters would had been different. Infact, this thread would have had more replies

India can't say what the Chinese said. It's the Indian Muslims that started the violent streak with the deobandi movement.
 
Just because India has a beef with China, you expect Pakistanis too care about this issue?

Issues effecting Muslims in Myanmar, Western Sahara, Yemen, Syria, Darfur, Russia, Phillipines, etc, also dont get much attention here.

Well so you are saying the Ummah is selective >?

That's not how it works, I don't believe there is discrimination in Ummah.
 
I am against all oppression whether it is India, China, United States, Burma, Israel, or Russia.

If China is indeed oppressing Uighurs, I definitely condemn it without any hesitation.

I condemn all oppressors equally.
 
When is Pakistan government coming out and condemning this remark in the strictest sense?
 

Just because Muslims don’t obey the laws of a country, it’s not ok for the state to put a million Muslims in concentration camps built just for Muslims, and forcibly sterilise hundreds of thousands of Muslim women.

That on top of demolishing mosques and erasing culture.
 
Interested to know what Dear Leader Xi is talking about there ? What will be Chinese orientation of Islam ?
Is there such a thing in Islam to be an orientation of a particular nation ?
 
In my opinion, China, Japan, Hong Kong etc have very evil tendencies which don't get brought up much often. If that one big eye wasn't controlling the world via the Western Bloc, it would have done through East.
 
The thing is that that Upper Caste Hindus think very highly of themselves. The idea that the subcontinent had a Muslim elite who ruled for centuries is very difficult for them to accept. So they will call them "invader", "foreigner", "migrant", etc.

I remember one of these Hindu Nationalist on this forum talking about Mirza Ghalib, and how he is "theirs". Little did this fool know that Mirza Ghalib family came to the subcontinent from Central Asia 200 years after Babur.

They wouldn't be upper class if it wasn't for the benefits they got from various rulers over the years.
 
Here is a Chinese Muslim who talks about China and Islam. Islam is China is 1300 years old..unlike in the west where 700 plus years of Muslim presence was wiped out , it continues to remain a presence in Chinese civilisation..

https://youtube.com/c/IsaMapc
 
The reality is China is fast becoming the dominant powerhouse economically, their military is super strong, a dominant state dictates, for these reasons usa, it's allies, it's lapdogs, will spread negative propaganda at all fronts to completely demonise China and to disable it's potential and power.
 
This is because Pakistanis feel a sense of kinship with Indian Muslims, that they dont feel with Muslims in China. Which is why Pakistani media will cover things like Gujarat riots, Delhi riots, Kashmir, etc. However will not cover problems that Muslims in Yemen and Syria, or Checenya or Darfur, or China or Myanmar are facing. Not a hard concept to understand.



Nothing to do with weakness, just people protest when they feel a connection with the issue.

No they dont. They just do it to prove they were right about two nation theory
 
No they dont. They just do it to prove they were right about two nation theory

You may want to talk about yourself.

All Pakistanis I know are concerned about Muslims everywhere, including those in China.
 
While the basic tenets are the same, Islam is practiced a little differently in every region and is influenced by the local culture.

This i agree with. The reason why islam spread in subcontinent was because of sufi who adapted the religion with the local culture. Concepts of free langar, music dhamaal was bought by them that helped in converting many
 
You may want to talk about yourself.

All Pakistanis I know are concerned about Muslims everywhere, including those in China.

Pakistanis are concerned with indian muslims to prove that muslims of 40s were right and that muslim-hindus bhot cant co-exist together.

How many times we seen pakistanis do protest against china in pakistan?

We willingly choose to turn a blind eye on the china muslim issue
 
Pakistanis are concerned with indian muslims to prove that muslims of 40s were right and that muslim-hindus bhot cant co-exist together.

How many times we seen pakistanis do protest against china in pakistan?

We willingly choose to turn a blind eye on the china muslim issue

I see protests about Kashmiris because there is a connection

I dont see any street protests about plight of Muslims from anywhere except when it comes to blasphemy

I am talking about how people feel based upon my interactions with fellow Pakistanis around the world.
 
No they dont. They just do it to prove they were right about two nation theory

Nothing to do with TNT.

To give an example look at the Europeans and how they feel about Ukraine. Would they feel the same way for people of Syria and Yemen? I don't think so. They feel closer to Ukrainians because they are their fellow Europeans. Europe is a like a big family and they will always feel closer to a person from Ukraine then someone from Zimbabwe or Papua New Guinea. Just human tribalism.

So the same tribalism exists in the subcontinent. You might not care about Indian Muslims, but majority of us do. Which other Muslim community do we as much in common with than them? The sense of kinship we would feel towards subcontinent Muslims is much greater than to Muslims in other countries.
 
This i agree with. The reason why islam spread in subcontinent was because of sufi who adapted the religion with the local culture. Concepts of free langar, music dhamaal was bought by them that helped in converting many

Also things like having the Quran on the brides head, hugging 3 times on Eid, celebration of Chand Raat, etc are things that only subcontinent Muslims do.

Islamic terminology like Ramzaan, roza, namaz, etc are different than in Arab countries. Architecture in subcontinent is Indo-Islamic. In music their is Qawwali.

So the same way Chinese Muslims will also have their own differences in culture. The problem is Chinese Muslims are divided into the Hui, who are basically Muslim Han Chinese, and ethnic minorities like Uyghurs. So what China wants to do is Sinicize them.

At the end of the day its an ethnic conflict their and not a religious one. China is a Han Chinese supremacist state. so all ethnic minorties will have a problem their, however Hui Muslims will be ok.
 
Also things like having the Quran on the brides head, hugging 3 times on Eid, celebration of Chand Raat, etc are things that only subcontinent Muslims do.

Islamic terminology like Ramzaan, roza, namaz, etc are different than in Arab countries. Architecture in subcontinent is Indo-Islamic. In music their is Qawwali.

So the same way Chinese Muslims will also have their own differences in culture. The problem is Chinese Muslims are divided into the Hui, who are basically Muslim Han Chinese, and ethnic minorities like Uyghurs. So what China wants to do is Sinicize them.

At the end of the day its an ethnic conflict their and not a religious one. China is a Han Chinese supremacist state. so all ethnic minorties will have a problem their, however Hui Muslims will be ok.

there are ten different Muslim ethnicites in China..
 
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