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Islamabad set to have its first Hindu temple since partition

If apparently Imran Khan’s regime is supposedly liberal, modern and chilled out government in comparison to India’s, then I shudder to think what the radical government would do to minorities.
 
If apparently Imran Khan’s regime is supposedly liberal, modern and chilled out government in comparison to India’s, then I shudder to think what the radical government would do to minorities.

Bro, please have some shame when talking about treatment of minorities.

Especially, after what Muslims are going through in India.
 
I think it's a bit silly putting the blame solely on the government for not being able to go through with this. Yes, they are at fault for not taking a stand but we need to realize the strength of the Mullah's in our country. Unless something is done to curtail this we cannot progress with providing our minorities with equal rights
 
While I'm saddened by the temporary suspension of this, the matter has been referred to CII and hopefully it goes ahead. Apparently the issue is that a Muslim government cannot finance a place of worship for another religion. The question then arises what about Kartarpur or the 400 Hindu temples being restored, and apparently government can renovate and restore places of worship but not create new :/

Hopefully some middle ground is found and the temple construction goes ahead.

I agree with this in principle but this isn't a case of funding but actually providing compensation for a loss of a religious place of worship due to a crime committed by an intolerant group of people.
 
I agree with this in principle but this isn't a case of funding but actually providing compensation for a loss of a religious place of worship due to a crime committed by an intolerant group of people.

I think it's sad that we are being run as a theocracy. We should be able to provide equal rights to our minorities.
 
I think it's sad that we are being run as a theocracy. We should be able to provide equal rights to our minorities.

I totally agree. It's so sad that Pakistan has turned its back on Quaid-e-Azam's secular values.

People forget whilst Pakistan was supposed to be a homeland for the Muslims, it was never supposed to be an "Islamic Republic".
 
A lot of people are against it and even the locals are too. Btw, anyone know what is the estimate hindu population residing in Islamabad?

Will be a mission if this gets built and is maintained.
 
Talk about creating an issue when there was none, another own goal by PTI, the circus just keep getting better. Have they sorted all the bigger issues, that they have enough time and resource to start building good international and liberal image, and anyways it wasn't even required in Islamabad considering hindu population, if it was in Sindh etc it could have made some sense. This minority appeasement will reduce immy vote bank even further. I have nothing against the mandir personally but Pak is one of the only two theocratic country on this planed other than Israel, so no way most common people would take it as just good Will gesture when on other side of border we have cases like babri mosque. So why open a can of worms when nobody forced the government, immy should stop becoming the symbol of human rights, specially when he can't stand up to the Mullahs and their followers.
 
A lot of people are against it and even the locals are too. Btw, anyone know what is the estimate hindu population residing in Islamabad?

Will be a mission if this gets built and is maintained.

Interesting. Why you think local people are against building a temple for minorities? What the reason could be?
 
A lot of people misread Jinnah’s message. He said people are free to go to their places of worship. He didn’t say they were free to build them.
 
It's sad that we can spend money to build a corridor to allow pilgrims from another country to come visit their shrines but we can't build a temple for our own people.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hindus population in Islamabad is way too less to have just one temple but there are 6 liquor stores in Islamabad for the same population.</p>— Parkash Heerani &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; (@heerani_parkash) <a href="https://twitter.com/heerani_parkash/status/1280026477375995904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Bro, please have some shame when talking about treatment of minorities.

Especially, after what Muslims are going through in India.

My Father’s ancestral village probably has a population of a few 1000 people at best. There are a handful of Muslim and Christian families in the village and yet there is a beautiful looking Church and a mosque in the village.

I am talking about a small village in India here while we are discussing the 1st temple in the capital city of Pakistan.Even that has been stopped now.

The fact that region which traces its history back to the origin of Hinduism, Weird that there isn’t even 1 Hindu temple here. Now that’s a different debate.

USA has been having bloody protests the last couple of months on racism. Yes racism exists in the USA but at the same time, I am sure 99% of the forum which is brown skinned (1% for people who consider themselves Turkish) will with open arms accept a US green card without thinking twice if presented that opportunity.

I am not saying India is USA but you get my point, these skirmishes happens when there is a huge diversity in a country.

The fact one can not overlook is that Muslims have come out in the open to express their issue and even a lot of Hindus have openly opposed the government and supported them.

Wether they misunderstood the government or not is a different debate.

Can you show me examples of such things in Pakistan, where the minority openly came out to vocally protested they are getting exploited by the government/army?

It’s easy sitting behind a keyboard and making generalizations. Before pointing fingers at India or talk about Indian Muslims who by the way professionally are doing much better than Pakistan counterparts in a lot of fields, you need to worry about minorities of your country or the country of your origin.
 
Pakistanis showed no opposition to Kartarpur Corridor because it was built by the Pakistan military. Hence, it was halal but this temple is haram!
 
Why should Pakistan, a self-proclaimed Islamic state, have any temple for the handful of Hindus that are still there?
There is really no point in having a temple just to show the world that they care for the minorities, while turning a blind eye towards the thousands of hindu girls who are kidnapped and converted forcefully by muslim gangs.
Let Pakistan take care of its own, its muslims first. Once the majority is happier, the minorities will automatically be better off.
 
Why should Pakistan, a self-proclaimed Islamic state, have any temple for the handful of Hindus that are still there?
There is really no point in having a temple just to show the world that they care for the minorities, while turning a blind eye towards the thousands of hindu girls who are kidnapped and converted forcefully by muslim gangs.
Let Pakistan take care of its own, its muslims first. Once the majority is happier, the minorities will automatically be better off.

Take your agenda elsewhere. Yes, forced conversions in Pakistan are a problem that Pakistan needs to deal with but the problem is nowhere near the magnitude of the issues faced by Muslims in India. The temple is a step towards the right direction to be more inclusive regardless of how big or small the minority is.

Why don't you look at the atrocities committed within your own country before commenting on Pakistan
 
Take your agenda elsewhere. Yes, forced conversions in Pakistan are a problem that Pakistan needs to deal with but the problem is nowhere near the magnitude of the issues faced by Muslims in India. The temple is a step towards the right direction to be more inclusive regardless of how big or small the minority is.

Why don't you look at the atrocities committed within your own country before commenting on Pakistan

What magnitude are you talking about?

Are Indian Muslims and other minorities not allowed to run for top posts as per Indian constitution?

Aren’t there any examples of such leaders in India’s modern history since 1947?

Aren’t there successful people from minority communities in India who are one of the biggest influencers in the world leave alone India?

Is there any institutional discrimination against Muslims in govt or private jobs or education?

Please stop drawing this equivalence of India’s and Pakistani minorities. I am not saying India is perfect and sure we all have a lot of biases, no one is perfect but just like most secular and democratic countries there are a lot of process in place that people can get justice despite all the problems.
 
If apparently Imran Khan’s regime is supposedly liberal, modern and chilled out government in comparison to India’s, then I shudder to think what the radical government would do to minorities.

While i support this mandir being built, keep in mind this is being proposed to be built with tax payer money. At the end of the day Pakistani goverment does not build mosques for Muslims using tax payer money, so they dont need to build a mandir with tax payer money either. Imran Khan proposed this as a good faith gesture which I completely support, not to mention PTI has already spent money fixing historic mandirs.
 
Why should Pakistan, a self-proclaimed Islamic state, have any temple for the handful of Hindus that are still there?
There is really no point in having a temple just to show the world that they care for the minorities, while turning a blind eye towards the thousands of hindu girls who are kidnapped and converted forcefully by muslim gangs.
Let Pakistan take care of its own, its muslims first. Once the majority is happier, the minorities will automatically be better off.

Pakistan Hindu population percentage has been the same since 1951. The decrease in population was a result in a two way population transfer of Punjab. So if the population percentage is the same since 1951, there is no mass scale conversion going on.

The PTI goverment has already spent money renovating mandirs, and they are committed to renovating 400 historic ones. The issue with this is its a new one being proposed with tax payer money. And they are doing it for the minority population of Pakistan not for anyone else.
 
Minor correction. And by the same token India has been building mosques every year for the last 70+ years.

Any way, a good step. I hope they keep it protected.

My views were criticized when I posted them when the article came up. Both India and Pakistan have many nut jobs..some in powerful positions..who hate minorities and there is no point rejoicing over something that has not even happened.
 
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I totally agree. It's so sad that Pakistan has turned its back on Quaid-e-Azam's secular values.

People forget whilst Pakistan was supposed to be a homeland for the Muslims, it was never supposed to be an "Islamic Republic".

In a secular republic should the goverment build a new house of worship? They dont built new mosques for Muslims, so the issue is why should Hindus get it. With that said i support this mandir with taxpayer money as a good faith gesture.

Also Jinnah said you are free to go your mosques, temples, etc. He did not say you are entitled to get free mosques, mandir, built with tax payer money.
 
Interesting. Why you think local people are against building a temple for minorities? What the reason could be?

Because its using tax payer money, when there is no tax payer money used to build mosques. Also the mandir was being proposed to build in Islamabad, which was part of Punjab, and in Punjab there was a two way population transfer between East and West Punajb, so there are not that many Hindus there.
 
It's sad that we can spend money to build a corridor to allow pilgrims from another country to come visit their shrines but we can't build a temple for our own people.

PTI goverment last year finished renovating a 1,000 year old mandir in Sialkot.

They are committed to renovating 400 historic mandirs. However there is a difference between renovating historic mandirs, and building a new one with tax payer money, when mosques are not built with tax payer money.

https://www.thequint.com/videos/new...ncient-hindu-temple-in-sialkot-after-72-years
 
While I'm saddened by the temporary suspension of this, the matter has been referred to CII and hopefully it goes ahead. Apparently the issue is that a Muslim government cannot finance a place of worship for another religion. The question then arises what about Kartarpur or the 400 Hindu temples being restored, and apparently government can renovate and restore places of worship but not create new :/

Hopefully some middle ground is found and the temple construction goes ahead.

Most likely it will get built with tax payer money, but they could always built it with there own finances.
 
Most likely it will get built with tax payer money, but they could always built it with there own finances.

Has it been decided which Holy Deity the temple will be dedicated to? If it is Hanuman Ji then I will pay my obeisance by facing Islamabad while praying and hopefully will have a prayer bump on forehead to show for it.
 
People cant make up their own minds, they want Pakistan to be democracy, now they want a dictatorship.

IK and PTI gave funds, they began the process but if people are objecting, we have to go down the democracy route and sort this out through the courts, laws of the land. Not sure what the issue is.

Hindu temples are in Rawalpindi which is where most Hindus live not in ISB. Imo the people should allow the temple to be built if there is a genuine need, if not then there isn't a problem.
 
PTI goverment last year finished renovating a 1,000 year old mandir in Sialkot.

They are committed to renovating 400 historic mandirs. However there is a difference between renovating historic mandirs, and building a new one with tax payer money, when mosques are not built with tax payer money.

https://www.thequint.com/videos/new...ncient-hindu-temple-in-sialkot-after-72-years

Where were you when KPK government gave Rs 300 million to Darul Uloom Haqqania AKA University of Jihad?
 
What magnitude are you talking about?

Are Indian Muslims and other minorities not allowed to run for top posts as per Indian constitution?

Aren’t there any examples of such leaders in India’s modern history since 1947?

Aren’t there successful people from minority communities in India who are one of the biggest influencers in the world leave alone India?

Is there any institutional discrimination against Muslims in govt or private jobs or education?

Please stop drawing this equivalence of India’s and Pakistani minorities. I am not saying India is perfect and sure we all have a lot of biases, no one is perfect but just like most secular and democratic countries there are a lot of process in place that people can get justice despite all the problems.

I was talking about forced conversions in Pakistan vs the atrocities faced by Muslims in India.

You took it to a whole other level. Point was, India and Indians should deal with their own issues because its not as if there aren't any there rather than commenting on the issues in Pakistan and vice versa. Each country should clean up its own house before pointing fingers and accusing the others.
 
For the people saying the government doesn't build mosques so why should they build temples? Guys, do you live under a rock?

Please read the following regarding Faisal Mosque

"Replaying to a written question asked by Daily Times, the Public Relations Directorate of the Capital Development Authority (CDA) also endorsed the aforementioned historical fact and informed that the project was completed in $45 million in which only $28 million was contributed by the government of Saudi Arabia while $17 million was provided by the Pakistani government in addition to the allocation of 33 acres of land for the mosque." (https://dailytimes.com.pk/29297/faisal-mosque-not-a-gift-by-saudi-arabia/)
 
Where were you when KPK government gave Rs 300 million to Darul Uloom Haqqania AKA University of Jihad?

First of all i support this mandir being built with tax payer money.

Second that was not a mosque it was a madrassa. And the reason for funding that madrassa was to deradicalize these hard line schools by having goverment control over them, which can be done by controlling the purse string.
 
For the people saying the government doesn't build mosques so why should they build temples? Guys, do you live under a rock?

Please read the following regarding Faisal Mosque

"Replaying to a written question asked by Daily Times, the Public Relations Directorate of the Capital Development Authority (CDA) also endorsed the aforementioned historical fact and informed that the project was completed in $45 million in which only $28 million was contributed by the government of Saudi Arabia while $17 million was provided by the Pakistani government in addition to the allocation of 33 acres of land for the mosque." (https://dailytimes.com.pk/29297/faisal-mosque-not-a-gift-by-saudi-arabia/)

There are other articles that contradict that. That state that Saudi gave $120 million to fund the mosque.


"Pakistan’s largest mosque is the Shah Faisal Masjid, built with a $120 million grant from the Kingdom of
Saudi Arabia. For a few years after its completion in 1986, it was the largest mosque in the world. It quickly became one of Pakistan’s best-known structures, surpassing many centuries-old buildings
of historic significance—appropriately symbolic, perhaps, of rising Saudi influence in the country"

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FP_20190510_saudi_pakistan_afzal.pdf

"The idea for the mosque was conceived in 1966 when then sitting ruler of Saudi Arabia King Faisal visited Pakistan. The king gave a grant of $120 million for the project and construction began ten years later under Azim Khan of National Construction Limited Pakistan"

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1453571/pakistan

In 1969, an international competition was held in which architects from 17 countries submitted 43 proposals. The winning design was that of Turkish architect Vedat Dalokay. Construction of the mosque began in 1976 by National Construction of Pakistan, led by Azim Khan and was funded by the government of Saudi Arabia, at a cost of over 130 million Saudi riyals (approximately 120 million USD today). King Faisal bin Abdul Aziz was instrumental in the funding, and both the mosque and the road leading to it were named after him after his assassination in 1975

https://pakistanembassytokyo.com/content/faisal-mosque-islamabad
 
There are other articles that contradict that. That state that Saudi gave $120 million to fund the mosque.


"Pakistan’s largest mosque is the Shah Faisal Masjid, built with a $120 million grant from the Kingdom of
Saudi Arabia. For a few years after its completion in 1986, it was the largest mosque in the world. It quickly became one of Pakistan’s best-known structures, surpassing many centuries-old buildings
of historic significance—appropriately symbolic, perhaps, of rising Saudi influence in the country"

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FP_20190510_saudi_pakistan_afzal.pdf

"The idea for the mosque was conceived in 1966 when then sitting ruler of Saudi Arabia King Faisal visited Pakistan. The king gave a grant of $120 million for the project and construction began ten years later under Azim Khan of National Construction Limited Pakistan"

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1453571/pakistan

In 1969, an international competition was held in which architects from 17 countries submitted 43 proposals. The winning design was that of Turkish architect Vedat Dalokay. Construction of the mosque began in 1976 by National Construction of Pakistan, led by Azim Khan and was funded by the government of Saudi Arabia, at a cost of over 130 million Saudi riyals (approximately 120 million USD today). King Faisal bin Abdul Aziz was instrumental in the funding, and both the mosque and the road leading to it were named after him after his assassination in 1975

https://pakistanembassytokyo.com/content/faisal-mosque-islamabad

Yes I've seen these but the point is CDA says the government partially funded it. That is the official view. Moreover, other mosques have been constructed by the government as well. Laal Masjid comes to mind. I'm sure there are others as well
 
Faisal Masjid, named after a Saudi king and shaped, of all things, like a Bedouin tent, was at least partially funded by the state. Laal Masjid aka Masjid-e-Zarrar was built by the state so that bureaucrats had a place to pray, yet the state finds itself unable to change its administration, or to stop it illegally encroaching beyond its original footprint. There are umpteen universities all over the country built and run by federal and provincial governments that each feature at least one masjid. In short, the objections doing the rounds that the state hasn’t built masjids is false, even though ideally the state shouldn’t be building any places of worship for any faith.

Another objection is that taxes paid by Muslims shouldn’t go towards building a mandir. The same people have no qualms in tax money being used towards Hajj, a part of which comes from the paychecks of non-Muslim citizens.

It’s been a rough ten days or so. This mandir controversy, the KSX attack, and rumors of Chinese disengagement in Ladakh. This, after the euphoria of June 15. We sure could use a win, and quickly too.
 
Yes I've seen these but the point is CDA says the government partially funded it. That is the official view. Moreover, other mosques have been constructed by the government as well. Laal Masjid comes to mind. I'm sure there are others as well

If the goverment has funded new mosques, then there is no justification of not funding this mandir. Regardless of whether the goverment has funded new mosques or not, i support the building of this mandir, and i am really hoping it gets built.
 
A lot of overseas Pakistanis are defending the decision to block the construction of a temple in Islamabad, but then they go to mosques in their western countries.

It reminds of Junaid Jamshed preaching the ills in western society and then fleeing to London to save his life after receiving death threats in Pakistan.
 
I think it’s fine if you don’t want to build a temple for minorities, but don’t act as if you are messiah of minority community. This has totally exposed the hypocrisy in Pakistan PM statements.
Also incredible is hate for minority in Pakistan, that a small kid flanked by his parents puts up a stern warning to Hindus in Pakistan. The video is viral and not even worth to put here.
 
A lot of overseas Pakistanis are defending the decision to block the construction of a temple in Islamabad, but then they go to mosques in their western countries.

It reminds of Junaid Jamshed preaching the ills in western society and then fleeing to London to save his life after receiving death threats in Pakistan.

There are Pakistanis in Hong Kong who are against it too. Right now, the Pakistani community in HK, is petitioning the government to provide them a tract of land to build another mosque. There are at least 40 madrasses and mosques in Hong Kong. This nation is a nation of hypocrites!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan: Everyone has a right to freedom of religion or belief, a right that is guaranteed in Pakistan’s constitution and its international obligations. Halting the construction of a Hindu temple in Islamabad is an unconscionable act of bigotry that must be reversed immediately.</p>— Amnesty International South Asia (@amnestysasia) <a href="https://twitter.com/amnestysasia/status/1280364239975141376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistani court gives go ahead for construction of Hindus’ Mandar in Islamabad, rejecting all petitions filed against stoppage of Temple. Islamabad High Court asked authorities/CDA to take appropriate actions in this regard.</p>— Zahid Gishkori (@ZahidGishkori) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZahidGishkori/status/1280564309802745858?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

IHC declares petitions against temple as ineffective

ISLAMABAD: The Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Tuesday declared the identical petitions against the construction of a Hindu temple as ineffective stating that the Capital Development Authority (CDA) had not even approved its building plan so far.

The court noted that the government had not issued funds for the temple's construction as the matter was sent to the Council of Islamic Ideology for suggestions.

Justice Aamer Farooq of the IHC announced the judgment on identical petitions challenging the construction of temple in Islamabad.

The court rejected the petitioners' objection which claimed that the construction of temple was a violation of the CDA's Master Plan.

The order stated that the CDA used to allocate plots in its sectors and sub-sectors in accordance of its layout plan.

It further said that the civic body had not even approved the building plan of the said temple, and its construction could not be started without meeting the CDA's procedure.

The court had no grounds to interfere into the matter, it added.

The court declared the petitions as ineffective and disposed them of.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/40003463/ihc-declares-petitions-against-temple-as-ineffective
 
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Looks like you spoke too soon and tried to play the agenda card by drawing a parallel with India. They have aparently stopped building the temple. Anything to say now?

And btw, this was the FIRST temple in islamabad they were building since independence. So when you write "Pakistan is building new temples" as in plural was incorrect to beging with.

You are getting too desperate now. Why didn't you quote my post earlier? It seems you were waiting for a news like this to jump on to this thread. Shows who actually have an agenda here and runs away when the going gets tough. :inti
 
An example of the United Arab Emirates:

Sheikh Rashid, then ruled of Dubai in the 1950's allowed a Hindu temple with Idols and mosque be built next to each other in Old dubai, which still stand today. Same for Sikhs.

Fast forward to the 21st century, Sikhs complained that 1 Darbar was woefully insuffiecent, so Sheikh Maktoum, leader of Dubai today, allowed them to build a Big capacity one just outside the main Dubai city, a very accessible location.

Hindus on the other hand were denied land, until Abu Dhabi gave them permission in the very very outskirts in between Abu Dhabi and Dubai to build one. The catche? No idols in this one.

Given that Sikhism is a Monotheism religion, belief in one god, and Hinduism is not, can give background to these decisions.

(Churches are plentiful in both Pakistan and the UAE.)
 
An example of the United Arab Emirates:

Sheikh Rashid, then ruled of Dubai in the 1950's allowed a Hindu temple with Idols and mosque be built next to each other in Old dubai, which still stand today. Same for Sikhs.

Fast forward to the 21st century, Sikhs complained that 1 Darbar was woefully insuffiecent, so Sheikh Maktoum, leader of Dubai today, allowed them to build a Big capacity one just outside the main Dubai city, a very accessible location.

Hindus on the other hand were denied land, until Abu Dhabi gave them permission in the very very outskirts in between Abu Dhabi and Dubai to build one. The catche? No idols in this one.

Given that Sikhism is a Monotheism religion, belief in one god, and Hinduism is not, can give background to these decisions.

(Churches are plentiful in both Pakistan and the UAE.)

Technically speaking sikh are kafir as it came after Islam while Hinduism precedes it.. Also, it is inherently anti-Islam. Also doesn't 'god' exist in their grant?..
 
An example of the United Arab Emirates:

Sheikh Rashid, then ruled of Dubai in the 1950's allowed a Hindu temple with Idols and mosque be built next to each other in Old dubai, which still stand today. Same for Sikhs.

Fast forward to the 21st century, Sikhs complained that 1 Darbar was woefully insuffiecent, so Sheikh Maktoum, leader of Dubai today, allowed them to build a Big capacity one just outside the main Dubai city, a very accessible location.

Hindus on the other hand were denied land, until Abu Dhabi gave them permission in the very very outskirts in between Abu Dhabi and Dubai to build one. The catche? No idols in this one.

Given that Sikhism is a Monotheism religion, belief in one god, and Hinduism is not, can give background to these decisions.

(Churches are plentiful in both Pakistan and the UAE.)

i dont know why this is an example. Pakistan has plenty of mandirs in sindh with idols in them. There is no objection for Hindus having idols in there temples.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistani court gives go ahead for construction of Hindus’ Mandar in Islamabad, rejecting all petitions filed against stoppage of Temple. Islamabad High Court asked authorities/CDA to take appropriate actions in this regard.</p>— Zahid Gishkori (@ZahidGishkori) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZahidGishkori/status/1280564309802745858?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

IHC declares petitions against temple as ineffective

ISLAMABAD: The Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Tuesday declared the identical petitions against the construction of a Hindu temple as ineffective stating that the Capital Development Authority (CDA) had not even approved its building plan so far.

The court noted that the government had not issued funds for the temple's construction as the matter was sent to the Council of Islamic Ideology for suggestions.

Justice Aamer Farooq of the IHC announced the judgment on identical petitions challenging the construction of temple in Islamabad.

The court rejected the petitioners' objection which claimed that the construction of temple was a violation of the CDA's Master Plan.

The order stated that the CDA used to allocate plots in its sectors and sub-sectors in accordance of its layout plan.

It further said that the civic body had not even approved the building plan of the said temple, and its construction could not be started without meeting the CDA's procedure.

The court had no grounds to interfere into the matter, it added.

The court declared the petitions as ineffective and disposed them of.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/40003463/ihc-declares-petitions-against-temple-as-ineffective

Great news. Hopefully this was the first and last problem in constructing the mandir. It was only a few days and it made international headlines.
 
A lot of overseas Pakistanis are defending the decision to block the construction of a temple in Islamabad, but then they go to mosques in their western countries.

It reminds of Junaid Jamshed preaching the ills in western society and then fleeing to London to save his life after receiving death threats in Pakistan.

All the mosques in western countries are paid for by Muslims. You are taking in some cases millions of dollars, which can years and years to collect.
 
I think it’s fine if you don’t want to build a temple for minorities, but don’t act as if you are messiah of minority community. This has totally exposed the hypocrisy in Pakistan PM statements.
Also incredible is hate for minority in Pakistan, that a small kid flanked by his parents puts up a stern warning to Hindus in Pakistan. The video is viral and not even worth to put here.

The current government has already renovated mandirs that were closed. And they are committed to renovating and reopening over 400. The current government has sacked members who have made deraogatory remarks against minorities. They have declared a national minorities day. And this mandir 99% chance will be built using tax payer money. There was an issue which appears to have been resolved.

So overall the PTI goverment has done a decent job for minorities.
 
According to 1998 cencus the total hindu population in islamabad was 180.the latest whici i read was Article by tribune back in winters which show the total hindu population As 500 in islamabad.

Capital of country with population of 1M+ can't be having few hundreds minorities. Something is drastically wrong with this scenario.

Even 1% of 1M is 10,000
Half % of 1M is 5000
 
A lot of overseas Pakistanis are defending the decision to block the construction of a temple in Islamabad, but then they go to mosques in their western countries.

It reminds of Junaid Jamshed preaching the ills in western society and then fleeing to London to save his life after receiving death threats in Pakistan.

Yes, you got it right, it's OUR countries. We cannot build a mosque anywhere we like, it has to go through legal planning permission. The same has been the case here, now the courts have decided it's fine to build the temple.

It was IK who started the ball rolling, setting aside funding etc. Your heros did the opposite, putting money in their own pockets to buy properties in Western nations. But you're ok with this . lol
 
Yes, you got it right, it's OUR countries. We cannot build a mosque anywhere we like, it has to go through legal planning permission. The same has been the case here, now the courts have decided it's fine to build the temple.

It was IK who started the ball rolling, setting aside funding etc. Your heros did the opposite, putting money in their own pockets to buy properties in Western nations. But you're ok with this . lol

You are very misinformed! The temple was given the go-ahead by the government and the city administration of Islamabad.

It is not being built simply because Pakistanis are intolerant and full of hatred towards minorities.
 
A new video shows man reciting the call to prayer at the proposed temple site.

How come the government took no action against the clown who videotaped himself dismantling the foundation of the Hindu temple? I forgot! The state has reserved it wrath for minorities and those who are falsely accused of blasphemy.
 
Capital of country with population of 1M+ can't be having few hundreds minorities. Something is drastically wrong with this scenario.

Even 1% of 1M is 10,000
Half % of 1M is 5000

This is what happens when people with zero knowledge of ground realities talk as if they are experts.


Pakistan isn't a monolithic group of people that are all evenly spread in equal proportions around the country. The province of Sindh has a much larger portion of Hindus than any other province. Meanwhile you would find Christians and Sikhs in much larger numbers in Punjab than any other province.


Also Islamabad is not a natural city that organically grew. It was established in the 1960s purpose built as a capital. Initially it just housed government machinery and the people that belong to the ministries and bureaucrats/elected members plus foreign missions. Since Pakistan is predominantly Muslim overwhelming majority of the people settling in the new city were Muslims.


That said the population of non-Muslims has increased over the years and as per the 2017 census about 3000 Hindus live in the city.
 
You are very misinformed! The temple was given the go-ahead by the government and the city administration of Islamabad.

It is not being built simply because Pakistanis are intolerant and full of hatred towards minorities.

lol. This is what I wrote, IK and PTI gave the go ahead, people objected which is a right in any democracy. The courts then made the decision.

This is the same in the UK and most nations, unless you want Pakistan to be Hindu nation and build temples left , right and centre without following the law?

You seem full of hatred to Pakistanis.
 
A new video shows man reciting the call to prayer at the proposed temple site.

How come the government took no action against the clown who videotaped himself dismantling the foundation of the Hindu temple? I forgot! The state has reserved it wrath for minorities and those who are falsely accused of blasphemy.

Is reciting anything on any land a crime? Unless the owners prosecute for tresspassing, there is no issue.

There are criminals in every nation, unless you think Hong Kong is a crimeless land? Any vandalism is a crime but are 200 million Pakistanis marching on this to knock it down? Or how about a few hundred as what happened at Babri Masjid?

Stop attacking Pakistani and Pakistanis, esp with half baked , weak and weird arguments, you're only looking silly.
 
This is what happens when people with zero knowledge of ground realities talk as if they are experts.


Pakistan isn't a monolithic group of people that are all evenly spread in equal proportions around the country. The province of Sindh has a much larger portion of Hindus than any other province. Meanwhile you would find Christians and Sikhs in much larger numbers in Punjab than any other province.


Also Islamabad is not a natural city that organically grew. It was established in the 1960s purpose built as a capital. Initially it just housed government machinery and the people that belong to the ministries and bureaucrats/elected members plus foreign missions. Since Pakistan is predominantly Muslim overwhelming majority of the people settling in the new city were Muslims.


That said the population of non-Muslims has increased over the years and as per the 2017 census about 3000 Hindus live in the city.


A capital in any country attracts everyone. Since it's not an old city, it means it will provide oppurtunities to everyone to settle there, including minorities. Everyone knows that minority is too small in Pakistan, but scale is drastic here if anyone says that few hundreds minorities live in capital of country.

3000 is low number proportiantely, but still it is many times higher than couple of hundreds cited by one poster. Couple of hundreds simply jumps out and that's the reason I thought something is wrong with this scenario.

You don't need any information about country to think that it's absurd to have 0.1% population of capital of a country when minotiry is mutiple times higher on percentage basis. For old and established city, it may be true , but not for a newly estalished capital of country.
 
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lol. This is what I wrote, IK and PTI gave the go ahead, people objected which is a right in any democracy. The courts then made the decision.

This is the same in the UK and most nations, unless you want Pakistan to be Hindu nation and build temples left , right and centre without following the law?

You seem full of hatred to Pakistanis.

Predictable apologetics for oppression.
 
The Writ of the govt has to be respected. If they have decided to build a temple in Islamabad then so be it. Govt must give orders that anyone creating a nuisance and problems on this matter will be shot dead
 
This is what happens when people with zero knowledge of ground realities talk as if they are experts.


Pakistan isn't a monolithic group of people that are all evenly spread in equal proportions around the country. The province of Sindh has a much larger portion of Hindus than any other province. Meanwhile you would find Christians and Sikhs in much larger numbers in Punjab than any other province.


Also Islamabad is not a natural city that organically grew. It was established in the 1960s purpose built as a capital. Initially it just housed government machinery and the people that belong to the ministries and bureaucrats/elected members plus foreign missions. Since Pakistan is predominantly Muslim overwhelming majority of the people settling in the new city were Muslims.


That said the population of non-Muslims has increased over the years and as per the 2017 census about 3000 Hindus live in the city.

You are simply validating the experts here ;)
 
lol. This is what I wrote, IK and PTI gave the go ahead, people objected which is a right in any democracy. The courts then made the decision.

This is the same in the UK and most nations, unless you want Pakistan to be Hindu nation and build temples left , right and centre without following the law?

You seem full of hatred to Pakistanis.

The issue here is persecution of Hindus; it is not related to freedom of speech. According to your line of thinking, if tomorrow, the public says Hindus should be expelled from Pakistan, should government give into such demand?

If the government cannot ensure the safety minority places of worship, it should go home!

Your argument regarding the UK is hypocritical. Has the UK government stopped the construction of mosques due to opposition by the English Defense League or the general public?
 
Is reciting anything on any land a crime? Unless the owners prosecute for tresspassing, there is no issue.

There are criminals in every nation, unless you think Hong Kong is a crimeless land? Any vandalism is a crime but are 200 million Pakistanis marching on this to knock it down? Or how about a few hundred as what happened at Babri Masjid?

Stop attacking Pakistani and Pakistanis, esp with half baked , weak and weird arguments, you're only looking silly.

It is a hate crime! Imagine if Hindus or Christians demolished a mosque and then stood there, reciting religious hymns! I can assure you at least 90% of Pakistanis are celebrating the temple destruction.

Would you be fine with the EDL raiding your mosque and singing Christians hymns?
 
i dont know why this is an example. Pakistan has plenty of mandirs in sindh with idols in them. There is no objection for Hindus having idols in there temples.

Its more of the objection to building more than already existing ones, read it again.
 
The issue here is persecution of Hindus; it is not related to freedom of speech. According to your line of thinking, if tomorrow, the public says Hindus should be expelled from Pakistan, should government give into such demand?

If the government cannot ensure the safety minority places of worship, it should go home!

Your argument regarding the UK is hypocritical. Has the UK government stopped the construction of mosques due to opposition by the English Defense League or the general public?

The courts have already blocked the petitions trying to stop the building of the mandir, in less than a week. The only issue is left is of funding, which hopefully will be resolved soon. Majority of Pakistanis support construction of this mandir using taxpayer money.

I live in the the US, and there are so many mosques that take months, sometimes years, to get approved, because people file petitions to try to block construction for various reasons. In this case those petitions were dismissed really fast by the Islamabad High Court.

I think thats the point the other poster was trying to make, that in the western countries, people often object to the construction of mosques, as is there democratic right, and that delays the construction of mosques. And in western countries, no taxpayer money is used. If it ever was you can definitely expect lawsuits against construction of that mosque.
 
The courts have already blocked the petitions trying to stop the building of the mandir, in less than a week. The only issue is left is of funding, which hopefully will be resolved soon. Majority of Pakistanis support construction of this mandir using taxpayer money.

I live in the the US, and there are so many mosques that take months, sometimes years, to get approved, because people file petitions to try to block construction for various reasons. In this case those petitions were dismissed really fast by the Islamabad High Court.

I think thats the point the other poster was trying to make, that in the western countries, people often object to the construction of mosques, as is there democratic right, and that delays the construction of mosques. And in western countries, no taxpayer money is used. If it ever was you can definitely expect lawsuits against construction of that mosque.

No, they don't. Have you seen the number of people demanding,on social media, a mosque be built on the proposed site and be named Babri Masjid?

It is not a matter of tax-payers being used or not, Pakistanis just don't want a temple to be built. For your information, Kartarpur Corridor was built with public money. It cost Rs 14 billion.
 
Real issue funding, not construction of Hindu temple: Noorul Haq Qadri

Minister of Religious Affairs Noorul Haq Qadri on Wednesday, commenting on the construction of a Hindu temple in the capital, said that there was "no question" about its construction and the real issue was whether or not it could be built using pubic funds.

Speaking on the floor of the National Assembly, he said there has been a lot of talk on the issue recently.

"There is no need to debate on the rights of minorities as they are protected by the PTI government. The party's manifesto calls for removing all obstructions in the implementation of constitutional provisions regarding the rights of minorities."

The minister said that a few minority members of the assembly had contacted him and said they had acquired four kanals for the temple and asked him to arrange funds for its construction.

"I told them that I had limited funds for renovating existing places of worship and can't arrange such a large sum.

"On the request of the members, the matter was referred to the prime minister and there has been no progress in this regard," he said, adding that since then, a few religious scholars had issued statements opposing the construction of the temple using public funds.

"There is no question on the temple's construction. The issue is whether or not it can be built using public money." He added that the issue has been sent to the Council of Islamic Ideology.

Qadri said construction had been halted due to technical reasons and issues with the Capital Development Authority.

His remarks come a day after the Islamabad High Court disposed of three identical petitions filed against the construction of a Hindu temple in Islamabad’s Sector H-9/2.

The court had observed that the construction of a worship place required mandatory approval of the regulator, in this case the Capital Development Authority.

'Unacceptable to deprive minorities of their rights, places of worship'

Meanwhile, Minister for Human Rights Shireen Mazari said that it was "unacceptable" to deprive minorities of their places of worship and the rights granted to them under the Constitution.

"We have condemned violence against Muslims in India and Indian atrocities in occupied Jammu and Kashmir. When we speak out against all these issues, the persecution that Muslims are facing, the annexation in Israel [...] if we don't protect and defend our own minorities then how will we fight the case of other Muslims across the world?"

Addressing the assembly, Mazari said that the government had a very clear stance on the issue and supported and defended the rights afforded to minorities under the Constitution and international conventions signed by Pakistan.

The human rights minister was responding to PML-N leader Khawaja Asif's speech, in which he had highlighted that a "planned campaign" against minorities was being run on social media.

"It can't happen that we endanger them, strip them of their rights, and prevent them from celebrating their festivals in their places of worship. That is unacceptable," Mazari said.

Commenting on the issue raised by Asif, she said that the government will take action against this as soon as they receive the evidence and will report to the House about the steps taken.

"Pakistan's vision is the same as Quaid-i-Azam's. We stand with it and draw strength from it when we raise our voice against the persecution of Muslims around the world because we know our law and Constitution safeguard the rights of minorities.

"We cannot have violence against minorities and deprive them of their places of worship," she said. The minister added that she will not comment on other issues, as some matters were still sub judice.

"When we raise our voice against Indian atrocities in Kashmir, we have to show that we are different. They tear down our mosques, disrespect our places of worship, but we will not do that.

"It is our responsibility to defend minorities and give them their due rights. They are equal citizens of Pakistan, our Constitution says this and we stand with that."

Speaking on a point of order earlier, Asif highlighted what he termed a "planned campaign against minorities" being run on social media in retaliation of Indian atrocities against Muslims in occupied Kashmir.

"If minorities don't feel safe in Pakistan then it is a matter of shame for us. It is our responsibility to protect their places of worship.

"Up until the 1970s, Pakistan was a tolerant society. It was after the 1980s that extremism crippled our thinking [...] fault lines have been created which can be damaging for the country."

He added that there was a church in Boston where Muslims offered Friday prayers. "I myself have offered Eid prayers at a church in New York, but we can't imagine such a thing happening in Pakistan."

This is a country of 220 million people, he said, adding that under the Constitution, everyone has equal rights irrespective of their religion. "As public representatives, it is our responsibility to promote tolerance in the country."

However, a few Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) parliamentarians objected to Asif's comments about all religions being equal.

MNA Maulana Abdul Akbar Chitrali said it was our responsibility to protect the worship places of minorities which already existed in the country. "[But] there was no room for building a temple in the capital with public money.

"There is no example of this in Islamic history. During the rule of the four caliphs, no worship place was built using Muslim tax payers' money."

PPP's Syed Naveed Qamar endorsed the PML-N leader's speech, stating that minorities have the right to practice their religions.

"If Pemra and other institutions can act on political issues, why are they not taking action against those uploading caricatures on social media," he said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1567777/r...construction-of-hindu-temple-noorul-haq-qadri
 
No, they don't. Have you seen the number of people demanding,on social media, a mosque be built on the proposed site and be named Babri Masjid?

It is not a matter of tax-payers being used or not, Pakistanis just don't want a temple to be built. For your information, Kartarpur Corridor was built with public money. It cost Rs 14 billion.

I have seen the opposite. Most people on social media i have seen support the mandir being built, and alot of them are trashing Pakistan because some some people had a petition to stop construction, which the courts dismissed in less than a week.

And there is no law stopping them from having a mandir built, so of course its a matter of taxpayer money. That is the only issue holding up construction now. Should the goverment give money for a mandir? In a democratic country people can raise objections to that. And from what i have seen the majority of Pakistani people including myself support it being built with tax payer money. And if the worse case scenario happens where there is a ruling that taxpayer money cant be used, Imran Khan can just organize a fundraiser and raise the money in a few weeks.
 
Pakistan Ulema Council announces support for construction of temple

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Ulema Council (PUC) has extended support to the construction of a temple in Islamabad and criticised those who were making the issue controversial.

“We denounce the controversy over construction of the temple. This [making it controversial] by extremist clerics is not correct. PUC will call a meeting and will also present its point of view to the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII),” said Hafiz Mohammad Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi, the chairman of PUC.

Talking to media on Friday, Hafiz Ashrafi said the Constitution of Pakistan categorically defines the rights of Muslims and non-Muslims living in the country.

“To have their own place of worship and offer a life as per their faith and tradition are the right given to all non-Muslims in the Constitution and as well as in Sharia,” he said, adding: “Those opposing the construction of the temple have an incorrect interpretation of Sharia.”

Hafiz Ashrafi, who is also the chairman of Muthahida Ulema Board, Punjab, added that the Hindus living in Pakistan were not residents of any conquered land; therefore, the the interpretation presented by certain clerics about the rights of non-Muslims in Sharia is not applicable to Hindus and members of other religious minorities living in the country.

Constitution categorically defines rights of Muslims and non-Muslims living in country, says PUC chief

“Pakistan Ulema Council has been playing a frontline role for interfaith harmony in the country and we will continue to do so.”

The PUC has been vocal against violence and extremist behaviours against the non-Muslim citizens of the country.

“Even in the Ulema Board there have been several unfounded complaints related to violations of the blasphemy law against the people of religious minorities but we not only turned them down but also warned the complainants in a few cases against lodging false complaints.”

Hafiz Ashrafi said strict action should be taken against elements who coined blasphemy allegations against their opponents in pursuit of their vested interests.

He said Muthahida Ulema Board had resolved 105 such cases in the last one year.

He said Pakistan came into being in accordance with an international agreement and non-Muslim population of Pakistan have been playing a very positive and effective role for stability of the country.

He said there was no harm or threat to the faith or any other risk involved in establishing a place of worship for the non-Muslim minorities.

“Dozens of worship places have been established in the country for religious minorities and recently the government constructed the Kartarpur Corridor for Sikh pilgrims,” he said. “Did anybody observed any threat to Islam - No.”

He added: “PUC in coordination with the World Peace Council will soon host a convention in Islamabad which will be attended by representatives of different religious schools of thought and religions.”

Responding to a question, he said: “We are very clear; no extremist group or individual should be allowed to usurp the rights of minorities in the country.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1568209/p...-announces-support-for-construction-of-temple
 
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If the country’s leadership follow the true teachings of Islam on this issue, there will be no problems and everyone would be satisfied in sha Allah.

And there should be absolutely no hatred against minorities. Agains it’s lack of proper knowledge which leads to hatred.
 
Why barking stopped now?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Pakistan Ulema Council announces support for construction of temple". This follows granting of Rs100mn by the Fed government for construction of temple.<br>But suddenly silence by those hysterically claiming that government was pandering to religious bigotry <a href="https://t.co/w5Ame8G8A8">https://t.co/w5Ame8G8A8</a></p>— Javed Hassan (@javedhassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/javedhassan/status/1281893678223687680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
PK Hindus have a right to build their places of worship. They are loyal citizens of PK and their rights have to be protected at all cost. This is a sensible and welcome decision.
 
Excellent stuff. Must follow suite for churches as well. Islam permits tolerance for all religions.
 
Why barking stopped now?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Pakistan Ulema Council announces support for construction of temple". This follows granting of Rs100mn by the Fed government for construction of temple.<br>But suddenly silence by those hysterically claiming that government was pandering to religious bigotry <a href="https://t.co/w5Ame8G8A8">https://t.co/w5Ame8G8A8</a></p>— Javed Hassan (@javedhassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/javedhassan/status/1281893678223687680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They succeeded in turning a good faith gesture to create a Taxpayer Funded Mandir, into an excuse to trash Pakistan. Major western international newspapers covered this, while in their own countries it can take months, sometimes years, to get a mosque approved for construction. And all those mosques being built are built with the money the local community raises.

I did not expect anything better from Indian newspapers, but they certainty did not miss an opportunity to radicalize their population further, by keep on referring to a fringe of people on Twitter who opposed taxpayers funding a mandir.
 
PK Hindus have a right to build their places of worship. They are loyal citizens of PK and their rights have to be protected at all cost. This is a sensible and welcome decision.

They already have the right to build mandirs. The debate was over whether it should be funded by the goverment. It was the right decision to use taxpayer money, since the goverment in the past has subsidized hajj, and as a good faith gesture to recognize past discrimination. But its amazing how countries who have not funded one mosque with Taxpayer money complained that it took a couple of weeks for it to get approved.
 
They already have the right to build mandirs. The debate was over whether it should be funded by the goverment. It was the right decision to use taxpayer money, since the goverment in the past has subsidized hajj, and as a good faith gesture to recognize past discrimination. But its amazing how countries who have not funded one mosque with Taxpayer money complained that it took a couple of weeks for it to get approved.

Facilitate with all the red tape, There should be no tax payers money and i dont think they would want either.
 
Facilitate with all the red tape, There should be no tax payers money and i dont think they would want either.

When construction started there were people who tried to stop it legally, using various excuses including funding. Within a few days the courts squashed it and stated clearly that Hindus and all minorities have the right to build there house of worship.

However when the case arose the goverment referred the 100 million rupees funding to the Ulema Council. So the courts ignored that portion. Now the Ulema Council has stated that they have no issue with the goverment funding the Mandir. So it appears that should be the last hurdle in funding it. And they do want it funded with goverment money. They cant afford it otherwise.

And i think most Pakistanis are fine with that, since Hindus have been discriminated in the past, but its outrageous that international countries made it an issue if some Pakistanis objected to that funding, which is there democratic right.
 
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