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Twitter and Facebook are refusing to take down hundreds of inflammatory Islamophobic postings from across their sites despite being alerted to the content by anti-racism groups, an investigation by The Independent has established.

The number of postings, some of which accuse Muslims of being rapists, paedophiles and comparable to cancer, has increased significantly in recent months in the aftermath of the Rotherham sex-abuse scandal and the murder of British hostages held by Isis.

The most extreme call for the execution of British Muslims - but in most cases those behind the abuse have not had their accounts suspended or the posts removed.

Facebook said it had to "strike the right balance" between freedom of expression and maintaining "a safe and trusted environment" but would remove any content reported to it that "directly attacks others based on their race". Twitter said it reviews all content that is reported for breaking its rules which prohibit specific threats of violence.

Over the past four months Muslim groups have been attempting to compile details of online abuse and report it to Twitter and Facebook. They have brought dozens of accounts and hundreds of messages to the attention of the social-media companies.

But despite this most of the accounts reported are still easily accessible. On New Year's Eve the author of one of the accounts reported wrote: "If whites had groomed only **** girls 1 It would be a race hate crime. 2 There would be riots from all Muslim dogs."

Other examples of extremist postings on Twitter include:

*A user posted an image of a girl with a noose around her neck with the caption: "6 per cent of white British girls will become sex slaves to the Islamic slave trade in Britain".

*A tweet which reads: "Should have lost World War Two. Your daughters would be getting impregnated by handsome blond Germans instead of Pakistani goat herders. Good job Britain."

*On Facebook a posting in response to the beheading of Westerners in Syria is also still easily accessible despite being reported to the company weeks ago. It reads: "For every person beheaded by these sick savages we should drag 10 off the streets and behead them, film it and put it online. For every child they cut in half ... we cut one of their children in half. An eye for an eye."

When the comments were reported, Facebook said that they did not breach the organisation's guidelines.

Fiyaz Mughal, director of Faith Matters, an interfaith organisation which runs a helpline called Tell MAMA, for victims of anti-Muslim violence, said he was disappointed by the attitude of both firms. "It is morally unacceptable that social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter, which are vast profit-making companies, socially engineer what is right and wrong to say in our society when they leave up inflammatory, highly socially divisive and openly bigoted views," he said.

"These platforms have inserted themselves into our social fabric to make profit and cannot sit idly by and shape our futures based on 'terms and conditions' that are not fit for purpose."

Mughal said that Tell MAMA regularly received reports of anti-Muslim rhetoric and hate from concerned Facebook and Twitter users.

He added that the far-right group Britain First relied on Facebook to organise, campaign and misinform followers about Islam and Muslims.

The rise in online abuse would appear to mirror a rise in hate attacks during the past year. In October the Metropolitan Police released figures to show hate crime against Muslims in London had risen by 65 per cent over the previous 12 months. Latest figures also suggest that, nationally, anti-Muslim hate crime has risen sharply following the murder of Lee Rigby in 2013.

One man, Eric King, was recently given a suspended sentence for sending a local mosque a picture smeared with dog excrement depicting Mohamed having sex with a pig. However his Facebook account, which he used to send abusive messages to the same mosque, is still active and promoting anti-Muslim hatred.



Mr Mughal added that social media platforms needed to make their content management procedures stricter.

"If users were to express such unacceptable opinions about 'shooting' Black British citizens or discussed Jews as a 'cancer', their speech would not be legal. The same protections should be forwarded to references to the Muslim community," he said.

In a statement Facebook said it had a clear policy for deciding what was and what was not acceptable freedom of speech. "We take hate speech seriously and remove any content reported to us that directly attacks others based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation, disability or medical condition," said a spokeswoman. "With a diverse global community of more than a billion people, we occasionally see people post content which, whilst not against our rules, some people may find offensive. By working with community groups like Faith Matters, we aim to show people the power of counter speech and, in doing so, strike the right balance between giving people the freedom to express themselves and maintaining a safe and trusted environment."

A Twitter spokesman said: "We review all reported content against our rules, which prohibit targeted abuse and direct, specific threats of violence against others."

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Being a Social Media Manager myself, I can indeed attest that Facebook in particular is really slow in removing objectionable content - pages exuding hatred against religions/communities included.
 
Just unlike and block the page on Facebook, and unfollow aand block the respective twitter account. No need to pay much attention to haters who spew mindless crap on the Internet.
 
I for one am happy with the role social media and twitter has played in allowing people like Jibran Nasir to galvanize the civil society to speak up and force the authorities into taking action .More people are starting to call out the bluff of these closet fundos and their poisonous ideology .
So happy to see people volunteering to lodge FIR s against the idiots who disrupted a rally to honor Salman Taseer .Similar outrage brought the lal masjid idiot abdul aziz under scrutiny .We should all be happier for the exposure .
 
The truth shines out.

While there are a lot of nuts over there on social media filling the serves with their hateful filth, it only takes a handful of good hearted and fair people to beat them down. Social media has united people globally like no other tool ever. Let's not give in to the dumb people out there man.
 
Social media is just the blowback from the print media which sensationalises news to boost sales. When negative news about a particular community is in the news every day, it creates fear and hatred. Some of it might be justified, a lot of it is over the top.
 
Social media is just the blowback from the print media which sensationalises news to boost sales. When negative news about a particular community is in the news every day, it creates fear and hatred. Some of it might be justified, a lot of it is over the top.

YEah..Works both ways! cannot generalize
 
I am developing phobia too. Go ahead blame me instead of blaming the people who are trigger happy for anything they don't like.


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Read again and try to understand the message. If you are capable of.


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If people are offended, then they are free to boycott Facebook or Twitter.


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Who even takes social media seriously? Its only useful when I need a reason to prove to my cousins that how much Indians hate us so they could stop defending them. Else its full of biased people that repeat their sentences over and over again like robots.
 
is there anti islamic violence at a large scale anywhere in the world? there is a far bigger problem with radical islam spreading their message over facebook.
 
is there anti islamic violence at a large scale anywhere in the world? there is a far bigger problem with radical islam spreading their message over facebook.

I agree. Why dont more Muslims try to condemn violence created by othe Muslims instead of saying that it is a plot they are not real Muslims. has even one Muslim stopped going to a mosque because violence is being preached there. There are so many mosques =where mullahs preach hatred. I have gone to many of them . We all go there listen to this and say Oh ISlam is peaceful and when misguided people act on these preachings we say they are not real Muslims. When tthere is violence propagated on the basis of Islam everyday why should people not be frightened of Islam. If people went aroround killing little kids and civilians in the name ofChrist Will you not be frightened of Christians?Reform our religion first and become civilized human beings.
 
That's why I am not on Facebook. Behind a laptop these Islamophobes say things they would never dare in real life. Of course any sane person would condemn anything as such but why should the worlds 2 billions Muslim's all be made to take responsibility over such things.
 
That's why I am not on Facebook. Behind a laptop these Islamophobes say things they would never dare in real life. Of course any sane person would condemn anything as such but why should the worlds 2 billions Muslim's all be made to take responsibility over such things.

When you count 2 billion, you proudly included the killers too to boost the number. But when they do murder in the name of your religion you exclude them saying "not real Muslims".


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When you count 2 billion, you proudly included the killers too to boost the number. But when they do murder in the name of your religion you exclude them saying "not real Muslims".


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When did I say they are "real Muslims" ehh?? If they believe in the kalimah then they are Muslims however I am not responsible for their deeds so why should I apologise?? How do you know I am counting the killers I mean there may be 2 billion and 40 Muslim's in the world so I am not counting them at all.
 
I meant when did I say they are NOT "real Muslim's". Why does 2 billion or a bit more Muslim's in the world make you feel inferior?? If I was the only Muslim in the world would still defend Islam and be proud to be a believer.
 
By the way Indians are always boasting how they are "the worlds largest democracy" and other number related things so why can't Muslim's be proud of their numbers?
 
When did I say they are "real Muslims" ehh?? If they believe in the kalimah then they are Muslims however I am not responsible for their deeds so why should I apologise?? How do you know I am counting the killers I mean there may be 2 billion and 40 Muslim's in the world so I am not counting them at all.

Who asked you to apologize ?

I mentioned your number of muslims as lot of posts (even in this forum) will say "whoever does this are not real muslims or a real muslim will not do this".


Does anyone has a number of how many are real muslims ?
 
By the way Indians are always boasting how they are "the worlds largest democracy" and other number related things so why can't Muslim's be proud of their numbers?

You should be proud of. but then also take the shame too.

You can not just take pride when talking the whole number but then stay away when they do murders.
 
I meant when did I say they are NOT "real Muslim's". Why does 2 billion or a bit more Muslim's in the world make you feel inferior?? If I was the only Muslim in the world would still defend Islam and be proud to be a believer.

How do you want to defend Islam ? Using AK47 ?
 
If people are offended, then they are free to boycott Facebook or Twitter.


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Hard to stay away from Facebook and Twitter for anyone.

Extremists also want to see the vacation pics of their fellow extremists.
 
I meant when did I say they are NOT "real Muslim's". Why does 2 billion or a bit more Muslim's in the world make you feel inferior?? If I was the only Muslim in the world would still defend Islam and be proud to be a believer.

What are you in front of Islam ? Why do you think Islam needs you to save itself ? Think again.
 
I agree. Why dont more Muslims try to condemn violence created by othe Muslims instead of saying that it is a plot they are not real Muslims. has even one Muslim stopped going to a mosque because violence is being preached there. There are so many mosques =where mullahs preach hatred. I have gone to many of them . We all go there listen to this and say Oh ISlam is peaceful and when misguided people act on these preachings we say they are not real Muslims. When tthere is violence propagated on the basis of Islam everyday why should people not be frightened of Islam. If people went aroround killing little kids and civilians in the name ofChrist Will you not be frightened of Christians?Reform our religion first and become civilized human beings.

Why do you go to mosques where they are preaching violence? You should be reporting to the police instead of going to even more mosques where they preach hatred. It's people like you who are allowing these extremists to hijack the religion.
 
What are you in front of Islam ? Why do you think Islam needs you to save itself ? Think again.

I did not say Islam needs me to save it however if attacked I will do so, it's only natural. Now don't tell me Islam is not under attack.
 
How do you want to defend Islam ? Using AK47 ?

No with my tongue and power of debate. I am not responsible for the actions of other Muslims as said before anymore then you are for your co-religionists. With the situation in the Middle East and even Kashmir many Muslims are enraged, it could be the perpetrators were victims of western aggression.
 
You should be proud of. but then also take the shame too.

You can not just take pride when talking the whole number but then stay away when they do murders.

Why should I be ashamed for someone else's actions. Why don't you bow your head in shame over Gujarat etc assuming you are a Hindu. I am proud of the righteous Muslims and the practising ones who follow the teachings of Islam.
 
Who asked you to apologize ?

I mentioned your number of muslims as lot of posts (even in this forum) will say "whoever does this are not real muslims or a real muslim will not do this".


Does anyone has a number of how many are real muslims ?

In post 20 you said I should "take shame" so you are asking me to apologise but I will not, never!! I did not say what you have quoted so don't force what others say here on me . They were Muslim's if they believed in the kalimah however were not following the teachings of Islam. Real Muslims are practising ones and Islam is the most practised faith, the number is probably about a billion...other billion are nominal believers. As stated it could be that the perpetrators of this crime were victims of western aggression not that I am justifying violence.
 
I would have no hesitation reporting any Muslim or non- Muslim for that matter to the police who I believed was a danger to society .
 
Why do you go to mosques where they are preaching violence? You should be reporting to the police instead of going to even more mosques where they preach hatred. It's people like you who are allowing these extremists to hijack the religion.



I have left numerous mosques for this reason.One cannot go to the police when a mullah tells people that their troubles are due to the jews or foreigners but over time this sows hatred in the minds of people instead of finding solutions to their problems they decide to kill someone or blow up some place.If all Muslims decide to boycott these mosques then some change will come.Instead the minds of the majority i will say about 60-65% of muslims is filled with this Jihadist ideology. All of them will not blow themselves up but some will-that is why Muslims need to take some responsibility for this.If you say that Muslims are one ummah then take responsibility and be ashamed for the acts of your brothers
 
I have left numerous mosques for this reason.One cannot go to the police when a mullah tells people that their troubles are due to the jews or foreigners but over time this sows hatred in the minds of people instead of finding solutions to their problems they decide to kill someone or blow up some place.If all Muslims decide to boycott these mosques then some change will come.Instead the minds of the majority i will say about 60-65% of muslims is filled with this Jihadist ideology. All of them will not blow themselves up but some will-that is why Muslims need to take some responsibility for this.If you say that Muslims are one ummah then take responsibility and be ashamed for the acts of your brothers

I am going to play along here and pretend you aren't a troll, but why don't you take responsibility yourself and record these sermons where a mullah tells people that their troubles are due to the jews or foreigners then hand it over to the police? It would be relatively simple to do. It seems a bit rich for you to be criticising others who have never witnessed these provocative sermons when you yourself have been in a position to do much more.
 
I am going to play along here and pretend you aren't a troll, but why don't you take responsibility yourself and record these sermons where a mullah tells people that their troubles are due to the jews or foreigners then hand it over to the police? It would be relatively simple to do. It seems a bit rich for you to be criticising others who have never witnessed these provocative sermons when you yourself have been in a position to do much more.

I do not know where you live,but where I live there is a very liberal interpretation of freedom of speech -so things like saying the Jews are the cause of all our trouble will not get any Mullah in trouble.On the other hand it causes irreparable damage to the people who listen to such BS ,. Do not tell me that you haven't heard such talk in mosques.What needs to be done is Muslims very clearly convey that we will not tolerate such talk and boycott such mosques. This never happens because we as a group like to pretend that all our problems are because of someone else and some crazy interpretation of Islam will save us.If not the entire world will turn against us.
 
How do people end up finding these pages on Facebook? Just stop searching for inflammatory content and you won't find it. Leave these bigots for God and work on improving yourself.
 
I do not know where you live,but where I live there is a very liberal interpretation of freedom of speech -so things like saying the Jews are the cause of all our trouble will not get any Mullah in trouble.On the other hand it causes irreparable damage to the people who listen to such BS ,. Do not tell me that you haven't heard such talk in mosques.What needs to be done is Muslims very clearly convey that we will not tolerate such talk and boycott such mosques. This never happens because we as a group like to pretend that all our problems are because of someone else and some crazy interpretation of Islam will save us.If not the entire world will turn against us.

Oh please.....we are like this because south asians are thinned skin and cant take any criticism, not because crazy mullahs brain wash us. tariq jameel has time and time again said we need to fix ourselves rather than blame foreign entities, and he gets to be labelled as a terrorist sympathizer here on pakpassion. We all feel we are right in our opinion and will fight others to the teeth for it.
 
Facebook is just a social media service.

If it's promoting Islamophobia, why not make a rival social media service, and use it to defend Islam?

Oh wait, because the only thing we are good at is, bitching and complaining about West.

Run along Tommy and play.
 
Sort of similar to the discussion on Charlie Webdo I see no issue with expressions of Islamaphobia...

If someone thinks Islam is ridiculous/oppressive etc then they should be free to express those points providing they can construct an argument...the same goes for any other religion...I don't see why anyone should be required to respect a religion...

This however is completely different to attacking adherents of a faith...attacking a faith is going after a scripture and that to me seems perfectly reasonable...attacking adherents takes away peoples individuality and suggests everyone follows their faith in action...

In short saying i hate Islam/Christianity/Judaism/Hinduism is completely different to saying I hate Muslims/Christains/Jews and Hindus...
 
I did not say Islam needs me to save it however if attacked I will do so, it's only natural. Now don't tell me Islam is not under attack.

Islam under attack? :)

That explains your knowledge of Islam.

Can you explain how it is under attack and its danger ?


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Islam under attack? :)

That explains your knowledge of Islam.

Can you explain how it is under attack and its danger ?


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I have more knowledge then you can possibly imagine seeing your childish comments. Islam is under attack by the western media and military machine. In case it has missed you so many Muslim countries are under western invasion. The danger is that many Muslim's are misinterpreting the Qur'an so suit their own extremist agenda.
 
I have more knowledge then you can possibly imagine seeing your childish comments. Islam is under attack by the western media and military machine. In case it has missed you so many Muslim countries are under western invasion. The danger is that many Muslim's are misinterpreting the Qur'an so suit their own extremist agenda.

One more example of your knowledge about Islam.

So, you feel western media is big enough to attack Islam and put it into danger? :)

I accept I do not have much idea about any religion. but this is I know from religious believers.
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God has created everything (even things that is beyond your imagination).

Out of all his creations universe is one.
In the universe, our galaxy, then our solar system, then our planet, then a country, then a city, then a road, then a house.

A person sitting in that house draws a cartoon.

Oh my god, the cartoonist is so big that he has attacked our god. Let's go save our god.

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That is how strong is your belief on your religion.
 
One more example of your knowledge about Islam.

So, you feel western media is big enough to attack Islam and put it into danger? :)

I accept I do not have much idea about any religion. but this is I know from religious believers.
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God has created everything (even things that is beyond your imagination).

Out of all his creations universe is one.
In the universe, our galaxy, then our solar system, then our planet, then a country, then a city, then a road, then a house.

A person sitting in that house draws a cartoon.

Oh my god, the cartoonist is so big that he has attacked our god. Let's go save our god.

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That is how strong is your belief on your religion.

What you talking about?? I said such Muslim's themselves are a danger to Islam when acting in a violent manner. I also said that the western media, politicians and military are attacking Islam in various ways as well, why are you denying the obvious? Islam at this moment is like an onion in a sandwich taking it from all sides be they believers or not. It only takes a few idiots to give an entire community a bad name, question is why would you want to upset any religious community by depicting their God in an offensive manner?? The west is playing psychological games here in an attempt to extend war in the Middle East and other Muslim dominated countries.
 
What you talking about?? I said such Muslim's themselves are a danger to Islam when acting in a violent manner. I also said that the western media, politicians and military are attacking Islam in various ways as well, why are you denying the obvious? Islam at this moment is like an onion in a sandwich taking it from all sides be they believers or not. It only takes a few idiots to give an entire community a bad name, question is why would you want to upset any religious community by depicting their God in an offensive manner?? The west is playing psychological games here in an attempt to extend war in the Middle East and other Muslim dominated countries.

As long as you think a section of media or a few ppl can attack Islam and endanger it, I will doubt your understanding of Islam.

And you said you will fight for Islam? What do you think you are that It needs you ?

This is the very mind set of being a saviour which is damaging Muslims ( not to Islam as a religion)

Hope now you understand why I opposed your view at first place.


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I do not know where you live,but where I live there is a very liberal interpretation of freedom of speech -so things like saying the Jews are the cause of all our trouble will not get any Mullah in trouble.On the other hand it causes irreparable damage to the people who listen to such BS ,. Do not tell me that you haven't heard such talk in mosques.What needs to be done is Muslims very clearly convey that we will not tolerate such talk and boycott such mosques. This never happens because we as a group like to pretend that all our problems are because of someone else and some crazy interpretation of Islam will save us.If not the entire world will turn against us.

I haven't. Admittedly I don't go to mosques very often but if and when I do put in an appearance I have never heard any such nonsense.
 
As long as you think a section of media or a few ppl can attack Islam and endanger it, I will doubt your understanding of Islam.

And you said you will fight for Islam? What do you think you are that It needs you ?

This is the very mind set of being a saviour which is damaging Muslims ( not to Islam as a religion)

Hope now you understand why I opposed your view at first place.


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I am not saying those mocking the Prophet are endangering Islam but angering many Muslim's though I am not one of them. It is these angry Muslim's that are endangering Islam by killing innocent people. I am a Muslim who should be able defend Islam...that's who I am like many co-religionists of mine however I will not defend Islam by threatening other people.

You are not making any sense at all I mean it's only natural for Muslims like I to defend Islam when outsiders attack it. It seems you expect for the Qur'an to verbally defend itself when it can not speak. We are not saviours rather Islam is the saviour of Muslim people, we reserve the right to defend holy scripture when and however we want as long as it is not through violence.
 
I am not saying those mocking the Prophet are endangering Islam but angering many Muslim's though I am not one of them. It is these angry Muslim's that are endangering Islam by killing innocent people. I am a Muslim who should be able defend Islam...that's who I am like many co-religionists of mine however I will not defend Islam by threatening other people.

Again why? why this mentality of being a savior of something who is so divine ? What is the existence of few people's opinion in front of something divine as per you ?

The violent ones also say the same thing as you said in bolded part. This mentality is causing problem.
You are not making any sense at all I mean it's only natural for Muslims like I to defend Islam when outsiders attack it. It seems you expect for the Qur'an to verbally defend itself when it can not speak. We are not saviours rather Islam is the saviour of Muslim people, we reserve the right to defend holy scripture when and however we want as long as it is not through violence.

That is my point. Let Islam save muslims instead of muslims try to be savior of Islam.

If something is really divine, then few people or media house shouldn't be able to make any harm to it. Isn't it ?

Why you need to react to their opinion if you know what you believe is right ?
 
Again why? why this mentality of being a savior of something who is so divine ? What is the existence of few people's opinion in front of something divine as per you ?

The violent ones also say the same thing as you said in bolded part. This mentality is causing problem.


That is my point. Let Islam save muslims instead of muslims try to be savior of Islam.

If something is really divine, then few people or media house shouldn't be able to make any harm to it. Isn't it ?

Why you need to react to their opinion if you know what you believe is right ?

Allah tells us to defend Islam with the tongue or hands if need be. You are saying that believers should just accept Islam being bashed then say some divine occurrence will intervene, don't be ridiculous. You are obsessed with the "saviour" thing...I keep on telling you that believers will rightfully defend Islam but should do so in a non violent manner. If someone is attacking my family or parents then I have to step in, can't possibly stand there waiting for divine intervention like you are suggesting.

We need to react because Allah tells us to do so but not through violent means but peacefully or writing articles etc. Being divine does not mean happily accepting a bashing, everything has it's limits like in the west you can't even question the holocaust.
 
Allah tells us to defend Islam with the tongue or hands if need be. You are saying that believers should just accept Islam being bashed then say some divine occurrence will intervene, don't be ridiculous. You are obsessed with the "saviour" thing...I keep on telling you that believers will rightfully defend Islam but should do so in a non violent manner. If someone is attacking my family or parents then I have to step in, can't possibly stand there waiting for divine intervention like you are suggesting.

We need to react because Allah tells us to do so but not through violent means but peacefully or writing articles etc. Being divine does not mean happily accepting a bashing, everything has it's limits like in the west you can't even question the holocaust.

Well, my point is that is why the problem is.

Now when you say you have the duty to save Islam, it will be interpreted differently by different people.

Some say by tongue, some say by sword and some say by AK47 and some say by suicide vest.


There are other religions which also gets criticized but they do not feel like defending it as if without their action the religion will die next day.

My point is the reaction from muslims (some) is so much as if Islam is something which is starting now and it may not exist if they don't react.

Contrary to your view, I feel if you want to do something for Islam, then please do not react. No one likes to criticize something if there is no reaction.
 
Why can't they just block these all activities? I have not used FB for about few months and believe me it is a much better world for me
 
Well, my point is that is why the problem is.

Now when you say you have the duty to save Islam, it will be interpreted differently by different people.

Some say by tongue, some say by sword and some say by AK47 and some say by suicide vest.


There are other religions which also gets criticized but they do not feel like defending it as if without their action the religion will die next day.

My point is the reaction from muslims (some) is so much as if Islam is something which is starting now and it may not exist if they don't react.

Contrary to your view, I feel if you want to do something for Islam, then please do not react. No one likes to criticize something if there is no reaction.

The thing to remember is that the Muslim's who defend Islam by killing innocents are not following divine teachings at all. They need to ask themselves what the Prophet would do, burning yourself or other innocents in your rage is not the answer. I am a Muslim as well who does not want to harm anyone over a silly cartoon!!

Some in other religions do act violently as can be seen in India over the PK movie and such things. In Islam with so much war in Muslim countries by the west followed by such insults only pours more petrol on a very hot issue. Many Muslim's are angry enough then they infuriate them further with such things. There will be a reaction from many people when you insult something that they deem as being above everything else. The reaction is not due to Islam being "something new" rather because of the aforementioned things that are happening around the world.
 
The thing to remember is that the Muslim's who defend Islam by killing innocents are not following divine teachings at all. They need to ask themselves what the Prophet would do, burning yourself or other innocents in your rage is not the answer. I am a Muslim as well who does not want to harm anyone over a silly cartoon!!

The need to react will always translate to different levels. You can not escape by saying ohh the bad ones are not following it correctly.

Why not ask the followers that you do not need to react to save the religion ? The reactions has given more bad name to religion than western media.


Some in other religions do act violently as can be seen in India over the PK movie and such things. In Islam with so much war in Muslim countries by the west followed by such insults only pours more petrol on a very hot issue. Many Muslim's are angry enough then they infuriate them further with such things. There will be a reaction from many people when you insult something that they deem as being above everything else. The reaction is not due to Islam being "something new" rather because of the aforementioned things that are happening around the world.

No, you can not compare reaction from other religion ppl with the reaction shown by some muslims.

Also, the above paragraph from you kind of gives a justification for their reaction, which is my point.
 
The need to react will always translate to different levels. You can not escape by saying ohh the bad ones are not following it correctly.

Why not ask the followers that you do not need to react to save the religion ? The reactions has given more bad name to religion than western media.




No, you can not compare reaction from other religion ppl with the reaction shown by some muslims.

Also, the above paragraph from you kind of gives a justification for their reaction, which is my point.

With over two billion followers we can't go around knocking on everyone's door telling them how to behave or matters of religion or anything else for that matter. I don't know what you are talking about your so -called "point", again you are just seeing things!

As for reaction from other religions their people are not being killed an bombarded in Iraq, Palestine, Chechnya, Afghanistan and Kashmir to name a few places...it is the Muslim's that are being killed so like it or not there will be a massive reaction.
 
With over two billion followers we can't go around knocking on everyone's door telling them how to behave or matters of religion or anything else for that matter. I don't know what you are talking about your so -called "point", again you are just seeing things!

As for reaction from other religions their people are not being killed an bombarded in Iraq, Palestine, Chechnya, Afghanistan and Kashmir to name a few places...it is the Muslim's that are being killed so like it or not there will be a massive reaction.

Again justification.



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FB is the perfect place for internet loonies..You can vomit your poison freely without worrying about anything..Most of these guys are jobless,jealous sobs.
 
It is not Facebook or Twitter...it is double standards, hypocrisy, segregation, minority rights, women rights, & everyday human suffering in Muslim countries along with terror events that is spreading Islamophobia
 
Taking back the Internet from loonies
Over the last few months, as I ventured into the world of Twitter and set up my blog, I have been struck by the strange dissonance between social discourse – the way we recognise it in the real world – and the kind of personal abuse that passes for it in the virtual world. No matter what you blog or tweet about – it could be something as harmless as the latest Rajinikanth movie or as controversial as Kashmir – there will a bunch of people lying in wait to pounce on you with both venom and vigour.
It seems you only have to express an opinion for the vitriol to come pouring out, all of it expressed in curiously personal terms. The debate is invariably pitched at the level of name-calling and four-letter words so trying to keep it in the realm of ideas seems a near-impossible task. Speaking for myself, I have been called everything from a ‘stupid *****’ to ‘total psycho’ – and that’s some of the more polite stuff that can be featured in a family magazine without veering into pornographic territory.
And if you think that it’s just my boorishness that elicits this kind of response, well then, think again. A quick search through social media sites will disabuse you of this notion. Whether it is Kashmir, the Ayodhya dispute, the Maoist insurgency, the kind of comment that washes across the Internet is chilling in its intolerance, downright scary in its threat of incipient violence, and deeply troubling in how it targets people at a very personal level.
Internet‘Sickular’ (sic) journalists are asked who their mothers slept with to conceive them. (Hint: it could not possibly have been a nice Hindu man.) Those with a contrarion point of view are routinely slagged off as ‘anti-national’ and threatened with dire consequences if they dare to express their views again. And then, there’s the truly special species of Hindutva types who see no contradiction in lecturing you loftily on the essential tolerance of Hinduism and abusing your parentage in the next breath. (I guess they don’t hand out irony supplements at the shakha.)
It’s really as if the Internet has been taken over by the kind of loonies who used to spend all their time writing angry, misspelt letters to the editor in a more old-fashioned age – the kind of letters that sub-editors routinely tore up and chucked into the waste bin. But now this constituency has found a platform from which it can proclaim its badly-thought-out conspiracy theories for the world to hear. And its members are revelling in finally having a space where they can abuse whoever they want, whenever they want.
So, as the majority of Internet users – decent, thoughtful people who are looking to connect with others of their ilk, have a meaningful conversation, exchange ideas, argue about their beliefs or even learn about the beliefs that others espouse – watch in horror, this lunatic fringe of venomous, abusive idiots is taking over the virtual world, one illiterate, intemperate comment at a time.
It is the equivalent of a bunch of noisy hecklers disrupting a serious meeting or a seminar with loud abuse and shouting of idiotic slogans. You can bet that they will get the most attention – perhaps even a few newspaper headlines – though the meeting they disrupted probably merited more coverage. But it is a function of our essentially superficial age that whoever makes the most noise, whoever is the most abusive, ends up attracting the most attention.
I’ve often wondered just how to deal with these ‘haters’ of the virtual world. Some of my more recalcitrant friends tend to respond to the abuse in kind but I’m afraid that is simply not my style. Others believe in blocking anyone who descends to the level of personal abuse, but I’ve always thought that this gives them entirely too much importance.
On some occasions I have been provoked enough by such remarks to respond with a ‘what on earth are you thinking?’ kind of reply. But this just brings on more abuse so is somewhat self-defeating. There are times when I have responded with humour in the hope that it will defuse the situation. But, no, it only makes it worse. So, on the whole, I settle for brushing off the abuse – like so much water off a duck’s back – and moving on.
But now, I am beginning to ask myself if disengagement is really the right policy. By ceding this space to the lunatic fringe, am I, in fact, abandoning my own responsibility to promote civilised debate on the Internet? After all, if people like you and me let the loonies take over the asylum, then what hope is there that order will ever be restored?
So, what is the best way of taking control back from the lunatics? I’m not sure that I have the answer to that as yet, but I am open to any suggestions that you might have.
But until then, I’m going to adopt a more pro-active approach. As a first step, anyone who transgresses the boundaries of civilised discourse – as we know it in real life – will be off my timeline.
Because the way I look at it, it’s time to stand up for the values of a civilised society. It’s time to treat the abusive commentators of cyberspace as the social pariahs that they are. And it’s time to take back the Internet from the loonies.
- See more at: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news-...ies/article1-610478.aspx#sthash.FXOhmkeV.dpuf
 
On Islamophobia within the Iranian diaspora (and within Iran)

Many are now asking how a child of Iranian immigrants could have become infatuated with right-wing White nationalism. While nothing is certain, it is possible to speculate on the reasons for the emergence of such an ideology, or at least such a sympathy.

Some Iranians – particularly in the Diaspora – subscribe to the “Aryan” racial theory promoted by European thinkers in the earlier 20th century. This combines with their dislike for their own government – which too often translates into rabid Islamophobia, as they are unable to distinguish between the actions of the Iranian government and Islam as a whole – to emerge into a disgusting mix of pseudo-scientific racial ideology that sees “Iranians” as “Aryan brothers.”

Adopting this weird ideology is fundamentally an attempt by Iranians in the Diaspora assimilate, to distinguish themselves from other immigrants by claiming to be as close to Europe and Whiteness as possible.

https://hummusforthought.com/2016/07/24/munich-and-whiteness-by-alex-shams/

Great piece here, thoughts on this?
 
Majority of Iranians I have encountered in US are either non-muslims or not much religious at all (as compared to arabs and Pakistanis)
 
This has eery similarities to the Scottish Sikh guy who tried to become a BNP member, although thankfully he didn't end up shooting a bunch of perceived foreigners.
 
this is the same guy who told me i should support islamic terrorism because my skin color is close to the terrorists so i'm not surprised by whatever he posts
 
Iranians are the least Islamic in both the pretence like us PK's or in substance like Indonesians and Malays I have met. Even after all denial, they are no more trusted than Anjum Choudhry and his bunch of losers.
 
Can anyone be blamed for Islamophobia these days? Look at the actions of Muslims around the world. Forget that, look at the types of opinions average Muslims hold - just on this forum, we have active threads defending killing apostates, celebrating the murder of Qandeel Baloch, and so on.

The common cop out retort is "Don't blame the religion because of how people practice it" -- this is weak. People who practice are a reflection of the religion they practice, and in today's world people practicing Islam are giving the worst account for their religion compared to any others.
 
All the Iranians I've known or worked with are the least practicing Muslims I've seen. Not that I'm judging or anything. To each his own..
 
As much as they try to fit in, to your average westerner they are still Muslims.

lol yep

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this is the same guy who told me i should support islamic terrorism because my skin color is close to the terrorists so i'm not surprised by whatever he posts

Now you're just being ridiculously obtuse, but as expected from someone who would rationalize right wing attacks against immigrants.
 
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All the Iranians I've known or worked with are the least practicing Muslims I've seen. Not that I'm judging or anything. To each his own..

I don't care if they are least practicing, that's not my issue. My issue is with the fact that they try so hard to play up their supposed "European-ness" and claim that Islam ruined Iran.

Yes, the same Islam that helped give birth to celebrated Persian poets Attar, Rumi, Ferdowsi, and Omar Khayyam, has allegedly ruined Iran LOL

They always use artwork derived from the Safavids to play up their 'Persian pride', failing to note the irony of such a thing.

This has eery similarities to the Scottish Sikh guy who tried to become a BNP member, although thankfully he didn't end up shooting a bunch of perceived foreigners.

Only a matter of time when that happens. Breivik himself as a staunch admirer of Hindutva ideology.
 
Along with Iranians even Pakistanis and NIndian subscribe to this theory and have this complex. It is better to embrace oneself and not try to be something u are not especially when u travel tho these lands that u think ur ancestors came from it will save them from all these mental problems and dissatisfaction
 
Iran was a very westernized society before the mullah brigade took over. Majority of those who seek refuge elsewhere were the non religious westernized folks, so no wonder most of the Iranians you meet overseas are non religious.
 
Iran was a very westernized society before the mullah brigade took over. Majority of those who seek refuge elsewhere were the non religious westernized folks, so no wonder most of the Iranians you meet overseas are non religious.


After the 1979 Revolution Majority wasn't with the Revolution Brigade ?

You have mentioned Majority of those who took refuge but wasn't this group in minority in Iran ?


What reasons you see of them becoming Non Religious ? Education Opening minds ? Leaders Examples ?
 
Iranian Sunnis ma sha Allah do not suffer from this complex.

We don't really know if Irans of any other sect do either to be fair, people tend to tar other races with a broad stroke on here. If they really wanted to be European and shed the Islam which has "ruined Iran", then you would think they wouldn't have had the Islamic revolution in the first place. There's obviously a disconnect between Iranians in Iran and those who fled to other nations.
 
We don't really know if Irans of any other sect do either to be fair, people tend to tar other races with a broad stroke on here. If they really wanted to be European and shed the Islam which has "ruined Iran", then you would think they wouldn't have had the Islamic revolution in the first place. There's obviously a disconnect between Iranians in Iran and those who fled to other nations.
That's true but op was referring to the Diaspora, Iranian Sunnis are mostly baloch or Kurd with a few Arabs.
 
After the 1979 Revolution Majority wasn't with the Revolution Brigade ?

You have mentioned Majority of those who took refuge but wasn't this group in minority in Iran ?


What reasons you see of them becoming Non Religious ? Education Opening minds ? Leaders Examples ?

The King or whatever ruled Iran before the revolution was very western. Not religious at all. Many Iranians were like them. Once the religious brigade took over they fled the nation. That's what I meant. Therefor the majority of Iranians outside Iran are non religious.

I think you misunderstood my previous message.
 
The King or whatever ruled Iran before the revolution was very western. Not religious at all. Many Iranians were like them. Once the religious brigade took over they fled the nation. That's what I meant. Therefor the majority of Iranians outside Iran are non religious.

I think you misunderstood my previous message.

Have you ever been to iran ? If yes then when and which city ?
 
I dint realise Iraninns in general are like this . The ones I have come across in India are completely gone cases , you will never guess they are from a muslim country
 
Most people in iran and specially in Tehran are liberal and not religious , people are friendly in general and well mannered
 
Iranian Sunnis ma sha Allah do not suffer from this complex.

No they suffer from a different complex: one that can't get over the fact that Iran isn't Sunni and hasn't been for hundreds of years.

Lots of striking parallels between Iranian Sunnis and pan-Iranian nationalists, and they have one thing in common: failure to acknowledge the present.
 
The King or whatever ruled Iran before the revolution was very western. Not religious at all. Many Iranians were like them. Once the religious brigade took over they fled the nation. That's what I meant. Therefor the majority of Iranians outside Iran are non religious.

I think you misunderstood my previous message.

Yet he made his pilgrimages to Makkah and Karbala, not to mention outlawed any criticism of Islam (shhh don't tell that to Tehrangelenos).
 
Another thing I've noticed about them is that they massively overrate themselves and their diaspora communities.
 
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