Israeli strikes across Gaza kill at least 235 Palestinians and shatter ceasefire with Hamas [Update @post#234]

[aboveandbeyond]

me attacking pti and his supporters make me a PDM supporter lol funny guy this is why i say pti and his supporters have no cells in their heads

anyways this thread is about Israel don't derail it any further so you still haven't answered my questions from yesterday

were you and your party not supporting trump because you thought he would release Imran khan? after all the nonsense of "absolutely not" and this same trump is supporting the the deaths of poor people of gaza? don't lie because i have videos of pti leaders and supporters vouching for trump

One hand " don't derail the thread" on the other " derail the thread"

Seriously. If you had a brain Cell, you'd be classed as dangerous!

 

[emranabbas]

One hand " don't derail the thread" on the other " derail the thread"

Seriously. If you had a brain Cell, you'd be classed as dangerous!

stop running away from the question by adding smiles it won't make you any smarter i know exactly what your trying to do running away from the question

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Egypt’s grand mufti rejects fatwa for jihad against Israel as 'irresponsible'

Egypt’s Grand Mufti Nazir Ayyad on Monday said it was "irresp0nsible" for the International Union Of Muslim Scholars (IUMS) to issue a fatwa that said all "able Muslims" are under an obligation to wage "jihad" against Israel due to its atrocities in Gaza.

The IUMS said all Muslim countries are under a legal duty "to intervene immediately militarily, economically and politically to stop this genocide and comprehensive destruction" and to impose a siege on Israel.

“The failure of the Arab and Islamic governments to support Gaza while it is being destroyed is considered by Islamic law to be a major crime against our oppressed brothers in Gaza,” its secretary general, Ali al-Qaradaghi, said in a decree issued on Friday.

In response, Ayyad, who is the highest authority for issuing religious opinions in Egypt, rejected the fatwa, saying that "no individual group or entity has the right to issue fatwas on such delicate and critical matters in violation of Sharia principles and its higher objectives".

"Such actions may endanger the security of societies and the stability of Muslim states," he added.

Egypt’s grand mufti rejects fatwa for jihad against Israel as 'irresponsible'

Nazir Ayyad issues counter-fatwa against Islamic scholars union, which called on Muslim nations to intervene to stop Gaza genocide

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[The Bald Eagle]

France could recognize the state of Palestine “in June” during an international conference co-chaired with Saudi Arabia, French President Emmanuel Macron said Wednesday

“We must move towards recognition, and we will do so in the coming months,” Macron said in an interview broadcast on France 5.

He said the planned conference on implementation the two-state solution for Israeli-Palestinian conflict, expected to take place in New York, could mark a turning point.

“Our goal is to chair this conference (on Palestine) with Saudi Arabia sometime in June, where we could finalize this movement of mutual recognition by several parties,” he said.

His remarks come amid growing international calls for a political resolution to the conflict in Gaza, where Israel has killed more than 50,000 people since October 2023, and the wider Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

In February 2024, Macron said recognizing a Palestinian state is “not a taboo for France,” underlining that such a move is a moral and political necessity.

“We owe it to the Palestinians, whose aspirations have been trampled on for too long. We owe it to the Israelis who experienced the greatest anti-Semitic massacre of our century. We owe it to a region that yearns to escape the promoters of chaos and the sowers of revenge,” he said at the time.

Currently, 147 of the 193 UN member states recognize the state of Palestine. Last May, Spain, Ireland, and Norway joined the list, bringing the total number of EU countries granting recognition to 10. Others are Bulgaria, Cyprus, Malta, Hungary, Poland, Sweden, and Romania.

Several other European countries, particularly in Eastern Europe, including Ukraine, Albania, Serbia, Montenegro, and Belarus, have also recognized Palestinian statehood.

Source: Middle East Monitor

 

[aboveandbeyond]

stop running away from the question by adding smiles it won't make you any smarter i know exactly what your trying to do running away from the question

Im in tears of your constant whataboutery.

 

[uppercut]

Genocide maniac? That’s rich coming from someone who dismissed atrocities with a shrug, saying, “we have no skin in the game.” That’s not neutrality, that’s passive endorsement. Criticizing those who speak out while staying silent yourself isn’t just cowardice, it’s complicity.

What really stings is being called out, because when your bigotry, both subtle and blatant, is exposed, you do what’s become all too predictable, play the victim, cry “Hindu hater,” or worse, dehumanize others like your buddies @cricketjoshila and @uppercut. Now here you are, flipping the script and calling everyone who holds you accountable a “genocide maniac.” The projection is embarrassing.

I’ve been vocal, unwavering, and on the right side of history. Imagine if our ancestors were anything like you when they stood against colonial powers, silent, indifferent, eager to appease. Thank God the likes of you were in the minority. Otherwise, we’d still be bowing to empire.

You’re not important. You're a random name in a sea of usernames. No one owes you emotional attachment. No one here needs to care. This isn’t about you, it’s about what’s right. So take your outrage, package it with your guilt, and deal with it.

I, and anyone who speaks out against genocide, ethnic cleansing, and occupation, will always be the better human than someone who sneers from the sidelines with, “why are you even talking about it, you have no skin in the game.”

If standing against oppression requires justification, while staying silent or mocking those who speak up earns applause in your world, then your morality isn't broken, it's nonexistent.

Some of us choose to be human. You chose to be a bystander.

That’s the difference. And that’s where the conversation ends.

Enjoy your time here and don't get bent out of shape when your passive support for the genocide and last colonial post is called out.

Unlike you and most Muslims here .... me and cricketjoshila actually give you proper explanation for our posts.

Lets see if you can produce my explanations which I Have provided literally dozens of times across multiple threads in multiple ways.

Better yet lets do one more round of it... I will guarantee you this upfront : You will run away refusing to answer my simpke questions.

Go ahead lets see what you got.

 

[HalBass9]

Unlike you and most Muslims here .... me and cricketjoshila actually give you proper explanation for our posts.

Lets see if you can produce my explanations which I Have provided literally dozens of times across multiple threads in multiple ways.

Better yet lets do one more round of it... I will guarantee you this upfront : You will run away refusing to answer my simpke questions.

Go ahead lets see what you got.

You want to reserve the right to slaughter humans over your beliefs.

 

[uppercut]

You want to reserve the right to slaughter humans over your beliefs.

Try again... tell the full story

 

[HalBass9]

Try again... tell the full story

It’s your story that you want everyone to know and get approval from, you should narrate it

 

[uppercut]

It’s your story that you want everyone to know and get approval from, you should narrate it

Which I have done literally dozens of times in multiple ways in multiple threads... now its time to see why you don't even want to reproduce the full and complete explanation.

Go ahead try again .... you can do it ... don't be shy.

 

[HalBass9]

Which I have done literally dozens of times in multiple ways in multiple threads... now its time to see why you don't even want to reproduce the full and complete explanation.

Go ahead try again .... you can do it ... don't be shy.

Basically made you admit multiple times that you want others to slaughter humans over your beliefs while you shop at a grocery store that sells beef.

 

[uppercut]

Basically made you admit multiple times that you want others to slaughter humans over your beliefs while you shop at a grocery store that sells beef.

Nope try again... hint I used to purposely highlight the important bits in Bright Red.

Lets see if you can make use of that hint.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC... THREAD IS ABOUT ISRAEL'S BRUTALITY IN GAZA

 

[deltexas]

Question for posters here and probably will not get a response and the usual bombastic statements will continue.

One thing that always surprises me when I read discussions about the Israel-Arab Palestinian conflict is how often people claim that Israel is an "aggressor", "colonizer", or "expansionist power". But when you actually look at the history, that narrative doesn’t hold up.

Take the Sinai Peninsula, for example. After the 1967 Six Day War, Israel controlled Sinai - a territory three times the size of Israel itself. If Israel were truly a colonial power, it could have easily held onto it. Instead, in 1979, Israel gave back the entire Sinai to Egypt as part of a peace agreement. It dismantled settlements, withdrew its army, and even removed civilians living there - because peace mattered more than holding land.

Then there’s Gaza. In 2005, Israel made the painful decision to withdraw unilaterally from Gaza. It removed over 8,000 Jewish settlers and every single soldier, hoping that the Arab Palestinians there would use the opportunity to build a functioning, peaceful society. Instead, Hamas took over, and within a year, rocket fire into Israeli cities began. The result wasn’t peace - it was more war.

If Israel’s goal is really “occupation” or "ethnic cleansing", why would it give back land, even when it didn’t have to? No one forced Israel to leave Gaza. No one forced it to give up Sinai. It did so in the name of peace - and each time, it was met with more violence, not less.

So maybe the question isn’t about land at all. Maybe the core issue is that one side has repeatedly shown they are willing to coexist, compromise, and make painful concessions - and the other side has consistently rejected every offer, from 1947 to today.

At some point, isn’t it worth asking: Who is actually preventing peace here?

 

[deltexas]

• Returning land absolutely matters. Israel gave up Sinai (3x its size), withdrew from Gaza without any demand for recognition, and even offered 97% of the West Bank + land swaps in 2000 and again in 2008. Each time, the Arab Palestinian response wasn't negotiation - it was violence. At what point does that become the pattern, not the exception?
• Gaza isn’t occupied - it’s hostile. Hamas runs it. They won elections, murdered Fatah rivals, and built tunnels and rocket factories, not schools. Israel controls borders for security, just like Egypt does. If Gaza is "occupied" because of a border, is Egypt occupying Gaza too? Or do you just apply these rules selectively?

 

[emranabbas]

Question for posters here and probably will not get a response and the usual bombastic statements will continue.

One thing that always surprises me when I read discussions about the Israel-Arab Palestinian conflict is how often people claim that Israel is an "aggressor", "colonizer", or "expansionist power". But when you actually look at the history, that narrative doesn’t hold up.

Take the Sinai Peninsula, for example. After the 1967 Six Day War, Israel controlled Sinai - a territory three times the size of Israel itself. If Israel were truly a colonial power, it could have easily held onto it. Instead, in 1979, Israel gave back the entire Sinai to Egypt as part of a peace agreement. It dismantled settlements, withdrew its army, and even removed civilians living there - because peace mattered more than holding land.

Then there’s Gaza. In 2005, Israel made the painful decision to withdraw unilaterally from Gaza. It removed over 8,000 Jewish settlers and every single soldier, hoping that the Arab Palestinians there would use the opportunity to build a functioning, peaceful society. Instead, Hamas took over, and within a year, rocket fire into Israeli cities began. The result wasn’t peace - it was more war.

If Israel’s goal is really “occupation” or "ethnic cleansing", why would it give back land, even when it didn’t have to? No one forced Israel to leave Gaza. No one forced it to give up Sinai. It did so in the name of peace - and each time, it was met with more violence, not less.

So maybe the question isn’t about land at all. Maybe the core issue is that one side has repeatedly shown they are willing to coexist, compromise, and make painful concessions - and the other side has consistently rejected every offer, from 1947 to today.

At some point, isn’t it worth asking: Who is actually preventing peace here?

Why would the Jews be interested in sinai?

It's not what the Jews believe to be the promised land by god to them, to understand this conflict you would need to study some verses in bible, torah and quran relating to god promising this land to the Jews.

 

[deltexas]

Why would the Jews be interested in sinai?

It's not what the Jews believe to be the promised land by god to them, to understand this conflict you would need to study some verses in bible, torah and quran relating to god promising this land to the Jews.

Nobody is going to see whats written in books thousands of years back. Ground reality is what is needed. Even 1967 is far back. Oslo peace accords were rejected.
Lets return to 2005. As above - In 2005, Israel made the painful decision to withdraw unilaterally from Gaza. It removed over 8,000 Jewish settlers and every single soldier, hoping that the Arab Palestinians there would use the opportunity to build a functioning, peaceful society. Instead, Hamas took over, and within a year, rocket fire into Israeli cities began. The result wasn’t peace - it was more war.

Do people forget that Israel withdrew completely from Gaza in 2005 ? So why didnt Gaza develop then ? What stopped them ?

 

[deltexas]

Why would the Jews be interested in sinai?

It's not what the Jews believe to be the promised land by god to them, to understand this conflict you would need to study some verses in bible, torah and quran relating to god promising this land to the Jews.

So Pak and ban should be given to Ind because before the invaders came in , it was written in some Hindu scriptures hundreds f years back?? Why dont they do it ? Hope this sounds absurd, because it is supposed to be. Similar thing with Isr-Pal.

 

[emranabbas]

So Pak and ban should be given to Ind because before the invaders came in , it was written in some Hindu scriptures hundreds f years back?? Why dont they do it ? Hope this sounds absurd, because it is supposed to be. Similar thing with Isr-Pal.

maybe you should explain this to the Israelis Jews, they believe it's their land because god promised it to them

 

[emranabbas]

Nobody is going to see whats written in books thousands of years back. Ground reality is what is needed. Even 1967 is far back. Oslo peace accords were rejected.
Lets return to 2005. As above - In 2005, Israel made the painful decision to withdraw unilaterally from Gaza. It removed over 8,000 Jewish settlers and every single soldier, hoping that the Arab Palestinians there would use the opportunity to build a functioning, peaceful society. Instead, Hamas took over, and within a year, rocket fire into Israeli cities began. The result wasn’t peace - it was more war.

Do people forget that Israel withdrew completely from Gaza in 2005 ? So why didnt Gaza develop then ? What stopped them ?

again maybe you should have a talk with your jewish friends, lets not go back thousands of years like you have said, lets go back to 1948 when the jewish came into the israel and have taken over most of the area by hook or crook since because thousands of years ago god promised the jews the land of Israel and they think its their religious right to bomb the people who were living there so they can take over and have full control because there are some secrets buried their by the prophets.

 

[deltexas]

again maybe you should have a talk with your jewish friends, lets not go back thousands of years like you have said, lets go back to 1948 when the jewish came into the israel and have taken over most of the area by hook or crook since because thousands of years ago god promised the jews the land of Israel and they think its their religious right to bomb the people who were living there so they can take over and have full control because there are some secrets buried their by the prophets.

Palestine rejected 2 state deal in 1948 and went to war - they wanted 'All" of it and "lost" the war badly. Israel accepted 2 state deal at the time , Palestine didnt. They attacked Israel "again" in 1969 and " lost again". So you go to war after rejecting the 2 state deal, lose badly twice and now want the "whole" land after losing a war "you" started. Oh, the irony. And by the way, yes have Jewish friends . So what ? Is that derogatory ? Have Muslim, Christian , Sikh, Buddhist, taoist friends as well.. Your point is ??

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Palestine rejected 2 state deal in 1948 and went to war - they wanted 'All" of it and "lost" the war badly. Israel accepted 2 state deal at the time , Palestine didnt. They attacked Israel "again" in 1969 and " lost again". So you go to war after rejecting the 2 state deal, lose badly twice and now want the "whole" land after losing a war "you" started. Oh, the irony. And by the way, yes have Jewish friends . So what ? Is that derogatory ? Have Muslim, Christian , Sikh, Buddhist, taoist friends as well.. Your point is ??

If any of this BS was true, then why are the zionest Extremists carrying on their merry way for total annexation of the Palestinian state?

 

[deltexas]

If any of this BS was true, then why are the zionest Extremists carrying on their merry way for total annexation of the Palestinian state?

What BS ? Do you know facts or just presume ? gaza and Palestine were given multiple chances, they ignored all peace deals "repeatedly" even after "losin" all the wars"they" started. There is a limit or threshold for everything. Oct 7 was that threshold, and now its going all out mode. No winners in wars. Let Hamas come to the negotiating table , concessions need to be made. Or else they risk losing everything.

 

[emranabbas]

Palestine rejected 2 state deal in 1948 and went to war - they wanted 'All" of it and "lost" the war badly. Israel accepted 2 state deal at the time , Palestine didnt. They attacked Israel "again" in 1969 and " lost again". So you go to war after rejecting the 2 state deal, lose badly twice and now want the "whole" land after losing a war "you" started. Oh, the irony. And by the way, yes have Jewish friends . So what ? Is that derogatory ? Have Muslim, Christian , Sikh, Buddhist, taoist friends as well.. Your point is ??

If the muslims of India request a 2 state deal with Hindu indians because there are still 200 millions Muslims in India would you support that move?

What's your stance on punjabi's wanting a separate state under the name of khalistan?

 

[deltexas]

If the muslims of India request a 2 state deal with Hindu indians because there are still 200 millions Muslims in India would you support that move?

What's your stance on punjabi's wanting a separate state under the name of khalistan?

That move already happened when Pak was created. Folks had the option to go to Pak or stay back in a secular country. That chapter has closed . Your point is ?
Cant give everyone wanting a separate country. Defeats the purpose of a country then . If Gilgit , Balochs, Baltistan, North Frontier or even say Karachi etc all want separate countries, is Pak OK with that ? It should never be bcos it defeats the concept of a country called Pak. Why not give the 9% Hindus in Ban their own country now ?
And so , no Khalistan. Its some fringe Canadian members who want to be in power stirring up nonsense which Trudeau fell for and is now history.

 

[sweep_shot]

Discussing Israel-Palestine issue with a Hindutva bhakt is like discussing Sudan civil war with a Korean person.

My point is these guys are not knowledgeable about the reality of that region or even the nature of this conflict. They have no skin in the game also.

I guess they try to see it through the lense of Hindutva/bhakt viewpoint. So, they end up with many misconceptions.

 

[emranabbas]

That move already happened when Pak was created. Folks had the option to go to Pak or stay back in a secular country. That chapter has closed . Your point is ?
Cant give everyone wanting a separate country. Defeats the purpose of a country then . If Gilgit , Balochs, Baltistan, North Frontier or even say Karachi etc all want separate countries, is Pak OK with that ? It should never be bcos it defeats the concept of a country called Pak. Why not give the 9% Hindus in Ban their own country now ?
And so , no Khalistan. Its some fringe Canadian members who want to be in power stirring up nonsense which Trudeau fell for and is now history.

just like india can't keep giving everyone land why should the Palestinians keep giving land to jews when they already have given over 90% of their land to the jews.

your tune completely changes when the shoe is on the other foot your just a hypocrite or have an agenda

 

[deltexas]

just like india can't keep giving everyone land why should the Palestinians keep giving land to jews when they already have given over 90% of their land to the jews.

your tune completely changes when the shoe is on the other foot your just a hypocrite or have an agenda

They didnt "give" any land. they "lost" it in a war "they started" and "rejected" the 2 state solution. Thats the differences. Apples to oranges. You know what the deal is - and thats OK.

 

[RexRex]

My point is these guys are not knowledgeable about the reality of that region or even the nature of this conflict. They have no skin in the game also.

What 'skin in the game' do you have as a Bangladeshi lol

 

[emranabbas]

They didnt "give" any land. they "lost" it in a war "they started" and "rejected" the 2 state solution. Thats the differences. Apples to oranges. You know what the deal is - and thats OK.

Doesn't matter point is your still a hypocrite or have an agenda

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Israel to include Rafah in Gaza 'security zones' - defence minister​

Israel's defence minister has said it will expand its so-called "security zones" in Gaza to include the southern city of Rafah.

During a visit to the area, Israel Katz said the military was leaving Gaza "smaller" and "more isolated" to pressure Hamas into releasing the hostages it is still holding.

The military has already seized land running along the entirety of the Palestinian territory's borders, which it has characterised as a buffer zone to prevent attacks.

The expansion to cover Rafah and its surrounding areas - which make up almost one fifth of Gaza - comes after the military ordered civilians to evacuate and established a new corridor separating them from nearby Khan Younis.

Two-thirds of Gaza has been designated as "no-go" zones or placed under evacuation orders since Israel resumed its offensive against Hamas on 18 March following the collapse of a two-month ceasefire, according to the UN.

It says 390,000 Palestinians – almost a fifth of the 2.1 million population - have been displaced once again, with no safe place to go.

The UN is also warning that supplies of food, medicine and fuel have run out because Israel blocked deliveries of humanitarian aid to Gaza since 2 March.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) launched a ground offensive in Rafah - home to about 280,000 people before the war - last May, leaving large parts of the city in ruins.

It also seized a strategically important strip of land running along the nearby border with Egypt, known as the "Philadelphi Corridor", which it said was necessary to prevent weapons being smuggled into Gaza and Hamas rearming.

During the ceasefire that began in January, about 100,000 residents returned to what was left of their homes in the city after troops pulled back to border areas.

On 31 March, almost two weeks after the resumption of the war, the IDF issued a new sweeping evacuation order that the UN said covered 97% of Rafah and its surrounding governorate, spanning 64 sq km (25 sq miles).

Displaced people were told to head to tent camps in the coastal al-Mawasi area, which the IDF previously designated as a "humanitarian zone".

The Rafah area was reported to be almost completely empty when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced three days later that troops were "seizing the Morag Corridor" - a reference to a former Jewish settlement located between Rafah and Khan Younis.

He said it would be "the second Philadelphi" and would increase pressure on Hamas to hand over the remaining 59 hostages, 24 of whom are believed to be alive.

On Wednesday, Defence Minister Israel Katz visited troops deployed in the new corridor with senior Israeli commanders and journalists.

"The IDF is eliminating terrorists, locating and thwarting terrorist infrastructure, and dismembering the Gaza Strip, even in places like the Morag corridor, where we have not operated to date," he said in a video later released by his office.

"The population of Gaza is being evacuated from the fighting zones, and many areas are being seized and added to the security zones of the State of Israel, leaving Gaza smaller and isolated."

Katz also warned that "if Hamas continues to refuse and does not release the hostages soon, the IDF will carry out intense military operations across all of Gaza".

An Israeli journalist for the Ynet news website who accompanied the minister separately quoted him as saying: "All of Rafah will be evacuated and turned into a security area. This is what we are doing now."

The BBC has asked the IDF for comment.

On Thursday morning, it said troops were continuing to operate "in the area of Rafah and along the Morag corridor", and that they had "eliminated several terrorists, located and dismantled terrorist infrastructure sites" while working to "establish operational control".

Source: BBC

 

[aboveandbeyond]

What BS ? Do you know facts or just presume ? gaza and Palestine were given multiple chances, they ignored all peace deals "repeatedly" even after "losin" all the wars"they" started. There is a limit or threshold for everything. Oct 7 was that threshold, and now its going all out mode. No winners in wars. Let Hamas come to the negotiating table , concessions need to be made. Or else they risk losing everything.

Its the zionest Terrorists who have violated the latest ceasefire, killed medics and aid workers and have stopped all Aid going in. Yet we have the ignorant Hindutwa living in la la land

 

[sweep_shot]

Its the zionest Terrorists who have violated the latest ceasefire, killed medics and aid workers and have stopped all Aid going in. Yet we have the ignorant Hindutwa living in la la land

Hindutva folks celebrate when Israel kills innocent Palestinian women, children, elderlies, aid workers etc.

These Hindutvas are simply cowards.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Israeli army fired more than 100 shots in Gaza medics' killing, audio suggests

Israeli troops fired more than 100 times during an attack in which they killed 15 emergency workers in Gaza, with some shots from as close as 12m (39ft) away, a forensic audio analysis of mobile phone footage commissioned by BBC Verify has found.

Two audio experts examined a 19-minute video authenticated by BBC Verify, showing the incident and the moments leading up to it near Rafah on 23 March.

The findings support a claim made by the Palestinian Red Crescent that the workers were "targeted from a very close range". On 5 April an Israeli army official said aerial footage showed troops opening fire "from afar".

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) declined to comment on the analysis directly when approached by BBC Verify.

A spokesperson said it was investigating the attack and repeated claims that six of the people killed were linked to Hamas, without offering evidence. The Palestinian Red Crescent rejected the allegation, as did a ninth paramedic who survived and was detained by the IDF for 15 hours.

The Palestinian Red Crescent said the full video was recovered from the phone of a medic killed and buried in a shallow grave by the IDF.

Video filmed by medic Rifaat Radwan who was killed in the incident showed the convoy driving at night, using headlights and flashing emergency lights. At least one medic can be seen wearing a high-vis jacket.

Faced with this, the Israeli army changed its account, admitting that its initial statement that the convoy approached "suspiciously" with its lights off was inaccurate.

Experts told BBC Verify they used sound waveforms and spectrograms to measure the distance of the gunfire from the microphone of the mobile. Shortened time gaps indicate that the distance between the microphone and the gunfire decreased as the video progressed.

They concluded that the first shots were fired from around 40m to 43m away. But towards the end of the video, gunfire came from around 12m away.

At a briefing on 5 April, an IDF official told reporters that surveillance showed the troops were at some distance when they opened fire, adding: "It's not from close. They opened fire from afar."

One military expert told BBC Verify that any engagements under 50m to 100m would be considered as being within close range.

Robert Maher, an audio forensics expert at Montana State University, said towards the start of the footage one firearm is discharged about 43m away from the mobile phone.

Mr Maher and another expert, Steven Beck, independently corroborated one another's view that in the final few moments of the audio, shots are fired as close at 12m away.

Mr Beck, a former FBI consultant who now runs Beck Audio Forensics, said: "The shooter(s) at these times is much closer, with distances of 12m to 18m. There is a strange pop sound that may be a tire hit by a bullet."

He added: "The shockwaves indicate that the bullets are passing close to the recorder microphone - meaning they are being shot at."

Chris Cobb-Smith, a former British Army officer with over 20 years experience in conducting investigations in conflicts zones, said that at 50m the Israeli troops would have "definitively been able to identify the convoy as humanitarian" and would have been able to "determine that the personnel were unarmed and not posing a threat".

Voices can also be heard towards the end of the recording, shouting in Hebrew: "Get up," and: "You (plural) go back".

Over the period of more than five minutes, at times, multiple firearms were in use simultaneously, the audio experts determined.

Mr Maher said "the sounds are often overlapping in such a way that it is clear multiple firearms are in use at the same time".

Because of the overlap of gunshots, Mr Maher said it's difficult to identify individual shots. But both experts determined independently that there were more than 100 shots.

Our audio analysts could not comment on which weapons were being used but Mr Beck said there are "several bursts of fully automatic gunfire".

How experts analysed the audio

A bullet travelling at supersonic speed first creates a sonic boom - often called a "crack". The sound of the bullet being fired is what creates a second sound, often called a "pop".

At close distances, the two sounds are almost indiscernible to the human ear.

But by looking closely at the waveform of the audio, the two sounds can be detected and the distance between them measured.

What Mr Maher describes as "crack-pop sequences" are visible in these waveforms.

Mr Maher said the further away the firearm is from the microphone, the longer the gap between the two sounds.

Mr Maher said: "The first few audible gunshots have a crack-pop timing of about 72ms. Assuming a bullet speed of 800 m/s and speed of sound 343 m/s, that time gap implies the firearm was about 43 meters away. If the bullet speed were actually faster, that would move the firearm estimate closer to the microphone."

There are limitations to their estimates. For example, analysts told us they cannot be certain of the type of firearm used or of the miss distance, which is how far off the shot is from the intended target. They also must make an assumption about the average speed of the bullet.

BBC Verify will continue to investigate this incident.

BBC

 

[Rajdeep]

Its the zionest Terrorists who have violated the latest ceasefire, killed medics and aid workers and have stopped all Aid going in. Yet we have the ignorant Hindutwa living in la la land

Why are Hamas not releasing the hostages that will end this conflict?

During a visit to the area, Israel Katz said the military was leaving Gaza "smaller" and "more isolated" to pressure Hamas into releasing the hostages it is still holding.

As I said multiple times before, we all have sympathy towards these killings but only Hamas is responsible for it. If they let go all the hostages and Israel still offensive, then we can blame Israel all we want.

 

[emranabbas]

Why are Hamas not releasing the hostages that will end this conflic?

You think that will end the conflict?

 

[Rajdeep]

You think that will end the conflict?

It may not end the conflict that is going on since 1940s but it will stop the attacks on Gaza and this present war. The point is, if Israel still continue to attack after all the hostages are set free, then the entire world will come hard at them. Now the ball is entirely in Hamas's hand. First they need to release the hostages which everyone is asking for.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Why are Hamas not releasing the hostages that will end this conflict?



As I said multiple times before, we all have sympathy towards these killings but only Hamas is responsible for it. If they let go all the hostages and Israel still offensive, then we can blame Israel all we want.

Like i said previously, Palestinians life's also matter. Theres thousands of Palestinian Hostages in Israeli jails.

In war, words matter. Palestinian 'prisoners' are hostages, too

The thousands of Palestinians, many of them children, arbitrarily held in 'administrative detention' by Israel are every bit as much hostages as those seized by Hamas on 7 October

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[emranabbas]

It may not end the conflict that is going on since 1940s but it will stop the attacks on Gaza and this present war. The point is, if Israel still continue to attack after all the hostages are set free, then the entire world will come hard at them. Now the ball is entirely in Hamas's hand. First they need to release the hostages which everyone is asking for.

No one will come hard on Israel most indians are illiterate of the whole issue and think it's just a random conflict this goes way back this is not Kashmir issue. If anyone wanted to come hard they would have in 1948

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Why are Hamas not releasing the hostages that will end this conflict?



As I said multiple times before, we all have sympathy towards these killings but only Hamas is responsible for it. If they let go all the hostages and Israel still offensive, then we can blame Israel all we want.

You don't know much about the apartheid state history then, what was Oslo accords? And who botched it?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Rabidness of rabid army continues​

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Israeli army kills at least 20 in Gaza since dawn​

Medical sources say at least 20 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since the early hours.

Earlier in Khan Younis, southern Gaza, at least 10 people were killed, including seven children in an Israeli strike.

Also in the enclave’s south, one Palestinian was killed and four others were wounded following the bombing of a group of civilians in Rafah.

Source: Al Jazeera

 

[emranabbas]

You don't know much about the apartheid state history then, what was Oslo accords? And who botched it?

@Rajdeep

alao do you think Balfour Declaration Was fair?

 

[sweep_shot]

@Rajdeep

alao do you think Balfour Declaration Was fair?

You don't know much about the apartheid state history then, what was Oslo accords? And who botched it?

You can throw all the facts at these bhakts but they are unlikely to change their minds. They are deep Islamophobes.

I remember one Indian poster once wrote Israelis were grabbing lands legally. That's the level of insight these guys have.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Gaza 'hell on earth' as hospital supplies running out, warns head of Red Cross

The president of the Red Cross described the humanitarian situation in Gaza on Friday as "hell on earth" and warned that its field hospital will run out of supplies within two weeks.

"We are now finding ourselves in a situation that I have to describe as hell on earth ...People don't have access to water, electricity, food, in many parts," Mirjana Spoljaric told Reuters at the headquarters of the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva.

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No new humanitarian supplies have entered the Palestinian enclave since Israel blocked the entry of aid trucks on March 2, as talks stalled on the next stage of a now broken truce. Israel resumed its military assault on March 18.

Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said 25,000 aid trucks had entered Gaza in the 42 days of the ceasefire and that Hamas had used the aid to rebuild its war machine, an allegation which the group has denied.

Spoljaric said supplies were running critically low.

"For six weeks, nothing has come in, so we will, in a couple of weeks' time, run out of supplies that we need to keep the hospital going," she said.

The World Health Organization said supplies of antibiotics and blood bags were dwindling fast. Twenty-two out of 36 hospitals in the enclave are only minimally functional, Dr. Rik Peeperkorn told reporters in Geneva via video link in Jerusalem.

The Red Cross president also raised concern about the safety of humanitarian operations.

"It is extremely dangerous for the population to move, but it's especially also dangerous for us to operate," Spoljaric said.

In March, the bodies of 15 emergency and aid workers, including eight members of the Palestinian Red Crescent, were found buried in a mass grave in southern Gaza.

The U.N. and Red Crescent accused Israeli forces of killing them.

The Israeli military said on Monday that an initial investigation showed that the incident occurred "due to a sense of threat" after it said it had identified six Hamas militants in the vicinity.

Spoljaric called for an immediate ceasefire in order to release the remaining hostages held by Hamas and to address grave humanitarian issues in Gaza.

Israel began its military campaign in Gaza in October 2023 after Hamas-led militants killed 1,200 people and took some 250 hostages on a raid into Israel, according to Israeli tallies.

Since then, more than 50,800 Palestinians have been killed and much of the territory has been reduced to rubble.

SOURCE: https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-running-out-warns-head-red-cross-2025-04-11/