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Israeli strikes across Gaza kill at least 235 Palestinians and shatter ceasefire with Hamas [Update @post#234]

Israel has ‘no choice’ but to continue fighting in Gaza, says Netanyahu
And with this single statement. It's now to the death.

My mum always said god gives courage to only those who are on the side of truth.

They never bow down, nor retreat. Nor ceasefire.
 
And with this single statement. It's now to the death.

My mum always said god gives courage to only those who are on the side of truth.

They never bow down, nor retreat. Nor ceasefire.

I Presume, by this you mean The Palestinians. Opressed for the best part of a Century. Only through Divine intervention, people hold on to this strength.
 
Hamas formally rejects Israeli ceasefire offer

Hamas has formally rejected Israel's latest ceasefire offer, saying it is prepared to immediately negotiate a deal that would see the release of all remaining hostages in return for an end to the war and the release of Palestinian prisoners.

In a video statement, Hamas' chief negotiator, Khalil al-Hayya, said: "We will not accept partial deals that serve [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu's political agenda."

Fifty-nine hostages remain in captivity and 24 are thought to be alive. Israel's latest offer involved a 45-day ceasefire in return for the release of 10 hostages.

Far-right Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said it was time "to open the gates of hell" on Hamas.

Hamas officials had already indicated to the BBC earlier in the week that they would reject the plan.

"Netanyahu and his government use partial agreements as a cover for their political agenda, which is based on continuing the war of extermination and starvation, even if the price is sacrificing all his prisoners [hostages]," Hayya said.

He added the group was "ready to immediately negotiate a deal to swap all hostages with an agreed number of Palestinians jailed by Israel" and end the war.

Hamas has previously said it would contemplate an overall deal to end the war but the two sides are nowhere near any kind of agreement that would bring that about.

Israel's stated aim is the complete disarmament and destruction of Hamas. Meanwhile dozens of Gazans are dying each day in air strikes with no humanitarian aid entering the strip at all.

The latest series of Israeli strikes killed at least 37 people, the majority of them displaced civilians living in a tented camp, according to Gaza's Hamas-run civil defence agency.

Witnesses in al-Mawasi said dozens of Palestinians including children had died after tents were set ablaze following a "powerful" explosion.

"I rushed outside and saw the tent next to mine engulfed in flames," a man told the BBC's Gaza Lifeline programme.

The Israeli military did not immediately comment but said that it was looking into reports of the strikes.

Israel has previously told Palestinians to evacuate from other parts of Gaza to al-Mawasi.

The Israeli military said attacks over the past two days had "struck over 100 terror targets" including "terrorist cells, military structures and infrastructure sites".

Israel said there was no shortage of aid and that it was maintaining the blockade installed on 1 March to pressure Hamas to release the remaining hostages.

However the heads of 12 major aid groups said the humanitarian aid system in Gaza was "facing total collapse".

The war began on 7 October 2023 when Hamas carried out a cross-border attack on Israeli communities, killing around 1,200 people and seizing 251 hostages according to Israeli tallies.

Israel's military campaign against Hamas has killed at least 51,065 people, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

BBC
So why does Hamas not negotiate or give a counter ??
 
I Presume, by this you mean The Palestinians. Opressed for the best part of a Century. Only through Divine intervention, people hold on to this strength.
Yeah by rejecting all peace deals and resorting to violent and terrorism. Hamas face mask is well and truly exposed. Let me share something with you .

In 2000 the Palestinians were given a very generous offer for an independent Palestinian state:

  • all of Gaza
  • 94% of WB with land swaps
  • East Jerusalem
  • Palestinian sovereignty and airspace
  • Sharing of Temple Mount
  • 40000 Palestinian "refugees" would become Israeli citizens
  • A road connecting Gaza and WB
The whole world pressured Yasser Arafat (the first Palestinian leader, and also an Egyptian) to take the deal. The Saudi's said it would be a "crime" to reject the deal. Clinton and Dennis Ross all blame the failure of a peace deal on the Palestinian Arabs.

This was rejected without a counter proposal. In fact, Palestinians responded with the Second Intifada, resulting in over 1000 dead Israeli civilians and thousands injured.

Hamas have 0 leverage now. The Palestinian Authority is weak and illegitimate. Arab states have normalized with Israel.

The idea of 40000 Palestinian Arabs "refugees" coming in to Israel now is unthinkable. The idea of splitting up Jerusalem is impossible. Israeli settlements have only grown, making map realities eve more difficult.

Palestinians will never get a better deal than what they had offered to them in 2000. They would be lucky to get an Israeli PM to even want to be in the same room with them at this stage. To think how differently the Middle East could be if Arafat (who stole billions of dollars to give to his wife and daughter now living in Paris) actually gave a heck about the Palestinian Arabs.

It proves 2 things:

  1. Hamas do not care about building a state, but destroying Israel.
  2. Hamas never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, from the river to the sea
 
Yeah by rejecting all peace deals and resorting to violent and terrorism. Hamas face mask is well and truly exposed. Let me share something with you .

In 2000 the Palestinians were given a very generous offer for an independent Palestinian state:

  • all of Gaza
  • 94% of WB with land swaps
  • East Jerusalem
  • Palestinian sovereignty and airspace
  • Sharing of Temple Mount
  • 40000 Palestinian "refugees" would become Israeli citizens
  • A road connecting Gaza and WB
The whole world pressured Yasser Arafat (the first Palestinian leader, and also an Egyptian) to take the deal. The Saudi's said it would be a "crime" to reject the deal. Clinton and Dennis Ross all blame the failure of a peace deal on the Palestinian Arabs.

This was rejected without a counter proposal. In fact, Palestinians responded with the Second Intifada, resulting in over 1000 dead Israeli civilians and thousands injured.

Hamas have 0 leverage now. The Palestinian Authority is weak and illegitimate. Arab states have normalized with Israel.

The idea of 40000 Palestinian Arabs "refugees" coming in to Israel now is unthinkable. The idea of splitting up Jerusalem is impossible. Israeli settlements have only grown, making map realities eve more difficult.

Palestinians will never get a better deal than what they had offered to them in 2000. They would be lucky to get an Israeli PM to even want to be in the same room with them at this stage. To think how differently the Middle East could be if Arafat (who stole billions of dollars to give to his wife and daughter now living in Paris) actually gave a heck about the Palestinian Arabs.

It proves 2 things:

  1. Hamas do not care about building a state, but destroying Israel.
  2. Hamas never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, from the river to the sea

Maybe you should come down from cloud cookoo Land and live in reality world.

 
A lot of this war is because Palestine wants more than what they already deserve. I think that whole "From the river to the sea, Palestine will free" is yes an anti-Israeli policy, but let's be real here if the Palestinians had the power they would genocide the Jews in a heartbeat. Like I'm trying to be bipartisan and I acknowledge the Israeli government is absolutely horrible, but Palestine just keeps giving me reasons to have the peace talks swing more into Israel's favor.
Maybe you should come down from cloud cookoo Land and live in reality world.

You keep rejecting repeated deals , and you expect the other party to give you concessions. Doesnt work that way in reality. You sow what you reap. Hamas asked for it and is getting it back with interest .
 
Maybe you should come down from cloud cookoo Land and live in reality world.

You keep rejecting repeated deals , and you expect the other party to give you concessions. Doesnt work that way in reality. You sow what you reap. Hamas asked for it and is getting it back with interest .
 
A lot of this war is because Palestine wants more than what they already deserve. I think that whole "From the river to the sea, Palestine will free" is yes an anti-Israeli policy, but let's be real here if the Palestinians had the power they would genocide the Jews in a heartbeat. Like I'm trying to be bipartisan and I acknowledge the Israeli government is absolutely horrible, but Palestine just keeps giving me reasons to have the peace talks swing more into Israel's favor.

You keep rejecting repeated deals , and you expect the other party to give you concessions. Doesnt work that way in reality. You sow what you reap. Hamas asked for it and is getting it back with interest .

Stop the whataboutery. The zionests extremists have no plan for peace, nor a two state solution.

The Greater Israel plan was formed decades ago by the colonial European zionest extremists.
 
Stop the whataboutery. The zionests extremists have no plan for peace, nor a two state solution.

The Greater Israel plan was formed decades ago by the colonial European zionest extremists.
So any response to why Palestine rejected the above peace deals ? It was a complete 2 state solution. Why did they reject it ?
 
So any response to why Palestine rejected the above peace deals ? It was a complete 2 state solution. Why did they reject it ?

If its not whataboutery, then you must have comprehension issues. There was never a 2 state solution in reality. Only time any solution for peace was seriously instigated was under Yitzhaq Rabin and Arafat . Rabin was then assassinated by a zionest extremist.


And off course we have the Greater Israeli Agenda. Mass annexation of territory beyond its borders.
 
So any response to why Palestine rejected the above peace deals ? It was a complete 2 state solution. Why did they reject it ?

He wont answer that. He cant answer that. His religious belief doesn't allow him to answer that. He is a blind bhakt of Hamas where he can't see them doing any wrong. As you rightly said this conflict could have been resolved as soon as Hamas agree to the deal and release the hostages. Every neutral observer can see it except these Hamas loving momins who will give you every possible excuse and then will shed crocodile tears on Israel's brutality.
 
Yeah by rejecting all peace deals and resorting to violent and terrorism. Hamas face mask is well and truly exposed. Let me share something with you .

In 2000 the Palestinians were given a very generous offer for an independent Palestinian state:

  • all of Gaza
  • 94% of WB with land swaps
  • East Jerusalem
  • Palestinian sovereignty and airspace
  • Sharing of Temple Mount
  • 40000 Palestinian "refugees" would become Israeli citizens
  • A road connecting Gaza and WB
The whole world pressured Yasser Arafat (the first Palestinian leader, and also an Egyptian) to take the deal. The Saudi's said it would be a "crime" to reject the deal. Clinton and Dennis Ross all blame the failure of a peace deal on the Palestinian Arabs.

This was rejected without a counter proposal. In fact, Palestinians responded with the Second Intifada, resulting in over 1000 dead Israeli civilians and thousands injured.

Hamas have 0 leverage now. The Palestinian Authority is weak and illegitimate. Arab states have normalized with Israel.

The idea of 40000 Palestinian Arabs "refugees" coming in to Israel now is unthinkable. The idea of splitting up Jerusalem is impossible. Israeli settlements have only grown, making map realities eve more difficult.

Palestinians will never get a better deal than what they had offered to them in 2000. They would be lucky to get an Israeli PM to even want to be in the same room with them at this stage. To think how differently the Middle East could be if Arafat (who stole billions of dollars to give to his wife and daughter now living in Paris) actually gave a heck about the Palestinian Arabs.

It proves 2 things:

  1. Hamas do not care about building a state, but destroying Israel.
  2. Hamas never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, from the river to the sea
@Rajdeep

What a silly argument If the Israeli's walk Into India and say you can keep most of India and we just want varanasi/kashi would you agree to it? Or try fight for your land that rightly belongs to you.
 
The barbarians are on a parole for indefinite period
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Gaza bodies seek independent probe into Israeli killing of medics

Israeli probe into killing of paramedics in Gaza finds ‘no evidence’ of execution

The Gaza civil defence and the Palestine Red Crescent Society call for an independent investigation into the killings of 14 Palestinian emergency workers and a UN employee, rejecting an Israeli investigation into last month’s brutal killing.

Yemen’s Houthis claim to have attacked US aircraft carriers after the US forces bombed a popular market in Yemen, killing at least 12 people.
Israeli forces have killed 39 people in Gaza in the past 24 hours, according to Gaza’s health ministry. At least 51,240 Palestinians have been confirmed dead and 116,931 wounded in Israel’s war on Gaza since it began 18 months ago.

The Gaza Government Media Office updated its death toll to more than 61,700, saying thousands of people missing under the rubble are presumed dead. At least 1,139 people were killed in Israel during the Hamas-led October 7, 2023, attacks, and more than 200 were taken captive.

Source: Al Jazeera
 
@Rajdeep

What a silly argument If the Israeli's walk Into India and say you can keep most of India and we just want varanasi/kashi would you agree to it? Or try fight for your land that rightly belongs to you.
Yeah the Arabs "rejected" a 2 state deal way back in 67 and then "went" to war to "claim" the whole land and then "lost" badly after being the aggressor rejecting any peace deals. So you lose wars you start and still want to claim the whole land.. Wow. Guess what. Then the reality sinks in and bites. And now they have to "compromise" . If they dont , then they reap the consequences.

So, am using your own argument. You attack and then lose badly and then cry I'm victimized mentality. And the reality is Hamas has no interest in any peace and no arab country wants to take in the Palestinians inspite of the so called Islamic Ummah. That should say something. And reality is whether you folks like it or not, admit it or not - Israel is going nowhere. Its a democratic established country and is going nowhere. The ball is in Hamas' court. Either negotiate and be sensible or get prepared for the retaliation.
 
Yeah the Arabs "rejected" a 2 state deal way back in 67 and then "went" to war to "claim" the whole land and then "lost" badly after being the aggressor rejecting any peace deals. So you lose wars you start and still want to claim the whole land.. Wow. Guess what. Then the reality sinks in and bites. And now they have to "compromise" . If they dont , then they reap the consequences.

So, am using your own argument. You attack and then lose badly and then cry I'm victimized mentality. And the reality is Hamas has no interest in any peace and no arab country wants to take in the Palestinians inspite of the so called Islamic Ummah. That should say something. And reality is whether you folks like it or not, admit it or not - Israel is going nowhere. Its a democratic established country and is going nowhere. The ball is in Hamas' court. Either negotiate and be sensible or get prepared for the retaliation.
How is your reply relevant to my post?

I posed you a question which you have not answered.

The answer for your this post is in the question I asked you which your trying to dodge.
 
How is your reply relevant to my post?

I posed you a question which you have not answered.

The answer for your this post is in the question I asked you which your trying to dodge.

They are #1 when it comes to whataboutism and derailment. :dav
 
New Israel-Gaza ceasefire plan proposed, Hamas source tells BBC

A senior Palestinian official familiar with Israel-Hamas ceasefire negotiations has told the BBC that Qatari and Egyptian mediators have proposed a new formula to end the war in Gaza.

According to the official, it envisages a truce lasting between five and seven years, the release of all Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails, a formal end to the war, and a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

A senior Hamas delegation was due to arrive in Cairo for consultations.

The last ceasefire collapsed a month ago when Israel resumed bombing Gaza, with both sides blaming each other for the failure to keep it going.

Israel has not commented on the mediators' plan.


 
New Israel-Gaza ceasefire plan proposed, Hamas source tells BBC

A senior Palestinian official familiar with Israel-Hamas ceasefire negotiations has told the BBC that Qatari and Egyptian mediators have proposed a new formula to end the war in Gaza.

According to the official, it envisages a truce lasting between five and seven years, the release of all Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails, a formal end to the war, and a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

A senior Hamas delegation was due to arrive in Cairo for consultations.

The last ceasefire collapsed a month ago when Israel resumed bombing Gaza, with both sides blaming each other for the failure to keep it going.

Israel has not commented on the mediators' plan.



Netanyahu doesn't want ceasefire or ending the war I guess. He wants to annex Gaza.

Evil man.
 
New Israel-Gaza ceasefire plan proposed, Hamas source tells BBC

A senior Palestinian official familiar with Israel-Hamas ceasefire negotiations has told the BBC that Qatari and Egyptian mediators have proposed a new formula to end the war in Gaza.

According to the official, it envisages a truce lasting between five and seven years, the release of all Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails, a formal end to the war, and a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

A senior Hamas delegation was due to arrive in Cairo for consultations.

The last ceasefire collapsed a month ago when Israel resumed bombing Gaza, with both sides blaming each other for the failure to keep it going.

Israel has not commented on the mediators' plan.


So what is the end goal for Hamas here ? After the withdrawal, will their rocket shelling continue ? Do they want a permanent end or temp truce ? At this stage , Israel will not yield to any concessions unless there are firm guarantees. Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map - so what truce do they want ?
 
So what is the end goal for Hamas here ? After the withdrawal, will their rocket shelling continue ? Do they want a permanent end or temp truce ? At this stage , Israel will not yield to any concessions unless there are firm guarantees. Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map - so what truce do they want ?

Whose annexing ones territory?

Whose wiping a whole population out?

Who broke the ceasefire?

Who killed medics and aid workers?

Does your BS and whataboutery has any limits ?
 
Whose annexing ones territory?

Whose wiping a whole population out?

Who broke the ceasefire?

Who killed medics and aid workers?

Does your BS and whataboutery has any limits ?
Palestine lost the war period. They rejected a 2 state solution period again. So they are not getting whole of Israel if tats what you are employing. Gaza and WB is what they will get. And WB will be diminished now bcos of the Israeli settlements. If Hamas wants all of Israel, never happening. And then the war continues till they lose everything. If annexing is the issue and a 2 state option is not on the table for Hamas - then thats not good for them. Israel already created a buffer zone in Gaza now to minimise the rocket impact. So you saying annnexing etc etc has no meaning when they rejected 1 2 state solution. And if that is Hamas goal , then they should be prepared to fight till the end .

No one's wiping anyone out. A retaliatory response by Israel in a war. And very unfortunately collateral damage happens if Hamas wants to fight till the last with no compromise.

So your whatabotery has basically no standing no matter how you spin it. You say annexing ?? So Palestine wants "whole" of Israel. Good luck with that. And with that thinking, more misery for Palestinian people because of Hamas's transgressions./
 
Palestine lost the war period. They rejected a 2 state solution period again. So they are not getting whole of Israel if tats what you are employing. Gaza and WB is what they will get. And WB will be diminished now bcos of the Israeli settlements. If Hamas wants all of Israel, never happening. And then the war continues till they lose everything. If annexing is the issue and a 2 state option is not on the table for Hamas - then thats not good for them. Israel already created a buffer zone in Gaza now to minimise the rocket impact. So you saying annnexing etc etc has no meaning when they rejected 1 2 state solution. And if that is Hamas goal , then they should be prepared to fight till the end .

No one's wiping anyone out. A retaliatory response by Israel in a war. And very unfortunately collateral damage happens if Hamas wants to fight till the last with no compromise.

So your whatabotery has basically no standing no matter how you spin it. You say annexing ?? So Palestine wants "whole" of Israel. Good luck with that. And with that thinking, more misery for Palestinian people because of Hamas's transgressions./
Your either delusional, a typical ignorant Hindutwa, or probably a bufoon.

 
New Israel-Gaza ceasefire plan proposed, Hamas source tells BBC

A senior Palestinian official familiar with Israel-Hamas ceasefire negotiations has told the BBC that Qatari and Egyptian mediators have proposed a new formula to end the war in Gaza.

According to the official, it envisages a truce lasting between five and seven years, the release of all Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails, a formal end to the war, and a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

A senior Hamas delegation was due to arrive in Cairo for consultations.

The last ceasefire collapsed a month ago when Israel resumed bombing Gaza, with both sides blaming each other for the failure to keep it going.

Israel has not commented on the mediators' plan.


First, commit terrorism and invite a war. Then, when retaliation comes to bite back, shed crocodile tears and start proposing ceasefire to end the war.

I can guarantee Hamas will do another October 7th, 2023 without thinking twice if the ceasefire deal happens. Without thinking twice because one needs brains to realise what reality is. They are responsible for each and every life lost in the war.​
 
First, commit terrorism and invite a war. Then, when retaliation comes to bite back, shed crocodile tears and start proposing ceasefire to end the war.

I can guarantee Hamas will do another October 7th, 2023 without thinking twice if the ceasefire deal happens. Without thinking twice because one needs brains to realise what reality is. They are responsible for each and every life lost in the war.​

So whose responsible for the 76 years of brutal and illegal occupation and the continued annexation of the Palestinians?
 
Your either delusional, a typical ignorant Hindutwa, or probably a bufoon.

Maybe you are bcos you start resorting to name calling. A keyboard internet warrior.

Now the filter is off for Israel. If Hamas doesnt want to listen and if WB and Gaza folks cant live together side by side with Israelis , then Israel has to protect itself. As I said, when you start a war , expect a gloves off response. And no answers to my above post ?? But just post whataboutery river to the sea statements. Echoing Hamas. And so be it then , Hamas will get a reply in the same coin.
 
Maybe you are bcos you start resorting to name calling. A keyboard internet warrior.

Now the filter is off for Israel. If Hamas doesnt want to listen and if WB and Gaza folks cant live together side by side with Israelis , then Israel has to protect itself. As I said, when you start a war , expect a gloves off response. And no answers to my above post ?? But just post whataboutery river to the sea statements. Echoing Hamas. And so be it then , Hamas will get a reply in the same coin.

76 years of illegal occupation. Continued Annexation of illegal land, yet we have our classical BS of October 7th.
 
76 years of illegal occupation. Continued Annexation of illegal land, yet we have our classical BS of October 7th.
76 yrs lol! Palestinians started a war in 1961 and lost .. Lost.. So when you lose a war you start you have to compromise. They rejected a 2 state solution and you claim 7y yrs illegal occupation. No wonder there are no takers for stiff like this Hamas propaganda.
 
76 years of illegal occupation. Continued Annexation of illegal land, yet we have our classical BS of October 7th.
Okay. So say it is 76 yrs illegal occupation as you insist. What is the solution that you want? What do Palestinians want as a solution?
 
New Israel-Gaza ceasefire plan proposed, Hamas source tells BBC
A senior Palestinian official familiar with Israel-Hamas ceasefire negotiations has told the BBC that Qatari and Egyptian mediators have proposed a new formula to end the war in Gaza.

According to the official, it envisages a truce lasting between five and seven years, the release of all Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails, a formal end to the war, and a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

A senior Hamas delegation was due to arrive in Cairo for consultations.

The last ceasefire collapsed a month ago when Israel resumed bombing Gaza, with both sides blaming each other for the failure to keep it going.

Israel has not commented on the mediators' plan.

Meanwhile, at least 26 Palestinians were killed and 60 others injured by Israeli air strikes across the Gaza Strip over the past 24 hours, the territory's Hamas-run health ministry said on Tuesday.

Local residents and eyewitnesses described the air strikes as "extremely intense."

According to witnesses, the attacks destroyed dozens of bulldozers and heavy machinery - equipment used by Hamas-run municipalities to reopen roads, clear rubble, and rescue victims trapped beneath the debris.

In a statement on Tuesday, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had struck "approximately 40 engineering vehicles used for terror purposes, including during the October 7th massacre".

"Hamas has used these vehicles for planting explosives, digging underground routes, breaching fences, and clearing rubble to locate weapons and military equipment hidden by the terrorist organisation beneath the rubble," it said.

Tanks have also been seen moving in the southern part of Rafah city in the south of Gaza.

As Israel pushes on with its offensive, talks were due to take place in Cairo with Hamas represented at a senior level by the head of its political council, Mohammed Darwish, and its lead negotiator Khalil al-Hayya.

The meeting comes days after the movement rejected Israel's latest proposal, which included a demand for Hamas to disarm in return for a six-week truce.

On Saturday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he would not end the war before Hamas was destroyed and all the hostages returned. Hamas has demanded Israel commit to ending the war before the hostages are freed.

The Palestinian official familiar with the talks told the BBC that Hamas has signalled its readiness to hand over governance of Gaza to any Palestinian entity agreed upon "at the national and regional level". The official said this could be the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority (PA) or a newly formed administrative body.

Netanyahu has ruled out any role for the PA in the future governance of Gaza, which has been ruled by Hamas since 2007.

While it is still too early to assess the likelihood of success, the source described the current mediation effort as serious and said Hamas had shown "unprecedented flexibility".

Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October 2023, killing about 1,200 people - mostly civilians - and taking 251 back to Gaza as hostages. Israel launched a massive military offensive in response, which has killed 51,240 Palestinians - mainly civilians - according to Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry figures on Monday.

Elsewhere, the Palestinian Embassy in Cairo has instructed its staff - who had been co-ordinating medical evacuations from Gaza to Egyptian hospitals and facilitating the entry of humanitarian aid - to relocate with their families to the Egyptian city of Arish, near the Gaza border.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62xnqlj11lo
 
Okay. So say it is 76 yrs illegal occupation as you insist. What is the solution that you want? What do Palestinians want as a solution?

Can you not take your zionest Blinkers off and wake up in the reality world and see.

What is the Greater Israel project about?
 
76 yrs lol! Palestinians started a war in 1961 and lost .. Lost.. So when you lose a war you start you have to compromise. They rejected a 2 state solution and you claim 7y yrs illegal occupation. No wonder there are no takers for stiff like this Hamas propaganda.
There was no war between Israelis and Palestinians in 1961.

Not having a go but it does help learning the basic facts before arguing the toss with people about an issue.

If you meant 1967 by the way - you'd still be wrong because the Palestinians didn't participate in the war. It was between Israel and Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Think I explained this 6 months ago but you still repeat this as fact.
 
Yeah by rejecting all peace deals and resorting to violent and terrorism. Hamas face mask is well and truly exposed. Let me share something with you .

In 2000 the Palestinians were given a very generous offer for an independent Palestinian state:

  • all of Gaza
  • 94% of WB with land swaps
  • East Jerusalem
  • Palestinian sovereignty and airspace
  • Sharing of Temple Mount
  • 40000 Palestinian "refugees" would become Israeli citizens
  • A road connecting Gaza and WB
The whole world pressured Yasser Arafat (the first Palestinian leader, and also an Egyptian) to take the deal. The Saudi's said it would be a "crime" to reject the deal. Clinton and Dennis Ross all blame the failure of a peace deal on the Palestinian Arabs.

This was rejected without a counter proposal. In fact, Palestinians responded with the Second Intifada, resulting in over 1000 dead Israeli civilians and thousands injured.

Hamas have 0 leverage now. The Palestinian Authority is weak and illegitimate. Arab states have normalized with Israel.

The idea of 40000 Palestinian Arabs "refugees" coming in to Israel now is unthinkable. The idea of splitting up Jerusalem is impossible. Israeli settlements have only grown, making map realities eve more difficult.

Palestinians will never get a better deal than what they had offered to them in 2000. They would be lucky to get an Israeli PM to even want to be in the same room with them at this stage. To think how differently the Middle East could be if Arafat (who stole billions of dollars to give to his wife and daughter now living in Paris) actually gave a heck about the Palestinian Arabs.

It proves 2 things:

  1. Hamas do not care about building a state, but destroying Israel.
  2. Hamas never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, from the river to the sea
Ehud Barak, the Israeli PM at the time, had no Knesset majority - he lost it during the Camp David summit !

You can promise the world when you've no mandate to deliver it. So these are just narratives repeated by people who don't have any inclination to look into issues with any depth.

How about an account from somebody who was actually in the room at Camp David, and served under both Republican and Democratic Presidents:


In preparing Clinton for his Camp David rendezvous, we had spent considerable time focusing on Carter’s earlier attempt. But nobody was really interested in history. Had we taken those lessons of the 1978 summit to heart, we would have seen that our summit had absolutely no chance of success. Carter succeeded for three reasons: he had strong leaders who were in a hurry, a doable agreement, and, as a strong mediator, he ran the summit. We lacked the first two; as for the third, the summit ran us.

First, unlike Begin and Sadat, Barak and Arafat were prisoners, not masters, of their politics. Barak worried that Arafat would pocket any concessions he made. He was constantly looking over his shoulder at the polls in Israel, and he literally saw his government begin to come apart while at the summit. Arafat came to Camp David to survive, not to make a deal. I heard him say several times, referring to his funeral, “you will not walk behind my coffin.” He was suspicious of Barak’s capacity to deliver. Feeling resentful of being ignored for months as Barak pursued a deal with Syria, and wedded to positions he would not concede, he was in no hurry to conclude anything.

Second, the issues at Carter’s earlier Camp David were tough to resolve: withdrawal from the Sinai peninsula, evacuating settlements, and a peace treaty. But the issues at the second Camp David were mission impossibles. Issues like borders, security, refugees, and of course Jerusalem’s ownership were all dealbreakers, and the gaps between the two sides were Grand Canyon–like in scale. Barak went further than any Israeli prime minister had gone before, but his proposals were nowhere close to what Arafat needed, even if the Palestinian leader had been interested in closing a deal. On Jerusalem there was no way Arafat could have made any concessions without Arab state backing. But given Barak’s sensitivity to leaks, we ensured there was no Arab state involvement. Clinton’s short phone calls to Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah and then Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak to brief them on U.S. proposals about Jerusalem were hardly serious substitutes.

Third, there was the matter of the U.S. role at the summit. Carter ran his summit while keeping control of a negotiating text that went through more than twenty drafts. Our summit ran us, or more precisely ran over us. We could have managed things better. After all, this was our house, our invitation, our once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to score a historic breakthrough. Granted, none was possible given the positions and personae of the two main actors. But our performance would have extinguished any chance, had there been one. We really were lost in the woods.

The mistakes were numerous. We needed a comprehensive package of answers to all the issues to have any chance of making headway. But given our unwillingness to adopt independent bridging proposals, particularly those that departed from Barak’s, we were stuck. Our no-surprise policy with Israel, which in essence meant showing everything first to Israel, and Clinton’s unwillingness, in his words, to “jam” Barak, stripped away any hope of being an effective mediator. By day four—when we gave Barak a paper he forced us to amend—for all practical purposes the summit came to an end.

Without a negotiating text that we controlled, there really was no organizing road map for the summit. It was like bumper cars in an amusement park, as then Clinton special assistant Rob Malley said. Every time we encountered an obstacle, we would go off in another direction. Add to that the fact that the president left for the G8 in Japan in the middle of the summit (thanks to our unrealistic hope of forcing a deadline for decisions), no Arab state support for Palestine on Jerusalem, and totally unrealistic expectations on what the Palestinians needed to close a deal, and you have a prescription for a predictable failure.
 
May Allah SWT help our brothers in Palestine. The hypocritical barbarians who hate on the Palestinians but then know what it’s like when something happens close to their own home need to take a long look in the mirror. The brainwashing is staggering for them.
 
Gaza health ministry denies manipulating death toll figures

At al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, Alam Hirzallah resigns himself to a grim task: registering the deaths of the wife and two children of his grieving cousin.

His family brought the bodies here on an electric rickshaw or tuk-tuk. They found them in their house in eastern Gaza City after Israeli shelling hit the family home. Asma Hirzallah, Mayar, 5, and Abdullah, 3, were killed.

"The hospital asked for their full names and ID numbers," explains Alam, referring to the numbers all Palestinians are given in a population registry administered by Israel.

"They gave us a paper to confirm they were martyred and told us to come back for the death certificate. Now we don't know where to go to bury them as the cemeteries are in areas under Israeli control."

At least 51,266 people have been killed in the 18 months since the Gaza war began, according to the Hamas-run Ministry of Health, with nearly a third of the dead aged under 18.

Israel has repeatedly challenged the accuracy of the Palestinian fatalities list - in terms of overall numbers, and in particular, the demographic breakdown - claiming it is used as Hamas propaganda. The figures are cited with attribution, by UN agencies and widely in the media.

The list does not distinguish between civilians and members of Palestinian armed groups who are killed in the war, and Israel has accused Hamas of inflating the percentages of women and children.

Recently, several media reports have raised questions about the reliability of the statistics by highlighting anomalies between the August and October 2024 and March 2025 lists of fatalities. The reports focus on how some 3,000 names of people originally identified as fatalities were removed from later revised lists.

A Gazan health official, Zaher al-Wahidi, denied to the BBC that victims had vanished or that there was a lack of transparency, insisting: "The health ministry works towards having accurate data with high credibility.

"In every list that gets shared, there is a greater verification and revision of the list. We cannot say that the health ministry removes names. It's not a removal process, rather it is a revision and verification process."

Verifying data

So how are the statistics gathered and how accurate are they?

Until the first months of this war, the number of people killed in Gaza was calculated from counting bodies that arrived in hospitals - like those of Asma Hirzallah and her children.

Medics could log data for all deaths into a centralised computer system, which was based at a Ministry of Health office at al-Shifa hospital, with a back-up at al-Rantissi hospital.

However, as conditions became more chaotic and medical sites repeatedly came under attack, this method became less reliable. During the war, Israel says it has targeted hospitals – which have protected status under international law – because Hamas has used them to hide its fighters and infrastructure – something the armed group denies.

From the start of 2024, Gazan health officials introduced online forms which relatives could use to report their loved ones dead or missing.

According to Mr Wahidi, the head of statistics at the health ministry, most of the names which were recently removed from the official list as part of a new checking process had originally been submitted using these forms. He says that names which are taken off may later be added back

"A judicial committee was set up and it looks into all of the cases received," Mr Wahidi says. "To ensure credibility we verify the data so that it will be accurate."

During investigations by the judicial committee, some people were found to have died of natural causes – not directly because of the war. When Gazans die from lack of medical treatment, malnutrition or hyperthermia, Mr Wahidi clarifies "these cases are indirect and do not get added to the lists."

Other individuals were wrongly listed as dead but then found to have been among thousands of Gazans imprisoned by Israel.

Mr Wahidi confirms that in August and then October, a total of more than 3,000 names were removed from the list, saying this was a precautionary measure pending full checks.

For some pro-Israel groups, such as media watchdog HonestReporting, this was strong indication of "deliberate manipulation, not honest error".

There had been a widespread presumption that only checked names were included on the online lists published.

"It seems like they're actually updating the lists more in real time, as more information appears," says Professor Mike Spagat of Royal Holloway College, chair of Every Casualty Counts, an independent civilian casualty monitoring organisation. "We should have regarded the previous lists as a little bit more provisional than I had assumed."

However, he says he detects no attempt by health officials to mislead and sees the changes as "a big clean-up operation".

He points out that the latest modifications to the list led to a small increase in the percentage of adult males among those killed, countering the idea that the original inclusion of the 3,000-plus names was done in an attempt to exaggerate the proportion of women and children.

Bodies under rubble

The Gaza health ministry says it has also recently audited data in its official fatalities list from hospital mortuaries for errors and omissions.

When deaths were registered by friends or neighbours, it says, they often did not know the ID numbers of those killed or their full names - which include the father and grandfather's names. In some cases, this resulted in the wrong people being marked as dead.

Thousands of bodies that are still under the rubble left by Israeli air strikes, as well as about 900 which are unidentified, are not currently included in the health ministry list, the ministry says.

However, the recent two-month ceasefire - which allowed hundreds of thousands of displaced Gazans to return to what was left of their homes - saw nearly 800 corpses being retrieved, identified and registered.

In late January, the BBC filmed workers from the Hamas-run Civil Defence agency as they set about retrieving human remains which had been left for months in Wadi Gaza - also known as the Netzarim Corridor – after a pullout by Israeli forces.

With no DNA testing available in Gaza, each corpse was given a serial number. Long forms were filled in to log the bones and clothing collected to try to identify the dead.

"We look for distinctive personal belongings: a watch, a necklace or an earring. When we search the bodies, it's very possible that we'll find a driver's licence or ID card," said Sameh Khalifa, who led the team.

"Even a broken tooth can be a distinguishing mark that will help a family recognise a missing loved one."

Combatant death tolls

Since the resumption of Israel's military offensive in Gaza on 18 March, the numbers killed have risen daily.

Israel periodically estimates the number of Palestinian fighters killed. At the start of this year, it assessed that 20,000 members of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad were among the dead. In mid-April it said there had been "more than 100 targeted eliminations" in the past month.

Israel does not provide its figures for civilian deaths in Gaza and has not officially challenged any of the names on the local health ministry casualty list.

The war began on 7 October 2023, when Hamas led a cross-border attack on southern Israel, killing about 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and taking some 250 people into captivity in Gaza. Since then, the Israeli military says that 408 of its soldiers have been killed in combat.

International journalists, including the BBC, are blocked by Israel from entering Gaza independently, so are unable to verify figures from either side.

We rely heavily on local Palestinian journalists working with us to access information about deadly attacks - interviewing witnesses as well as visiting bomb sites and hospital mortuaries to film footage, which is shared with us.

Overall, the numbers killed in the past year and a half dwarf those from previous rounds of fighting in the decades-old Israel-Palestinian conflict and yet, for the moment, there is no end in sight to the war.

BBC
 

Savagery continues!!!​

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At least 39 killed by Israel in Gaza over last 24 hours​

  • Israeli forces continue bombarding Gaza, striking a school-turned-shelter in Gaza City and sparking a fire that killed at least 10 people. Victims include a child who burned to death.
  • The relentless attacks after a day of Israeli bombings that killed at least 39 Palestinians, damaged the El Dorra Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City and destroyed bulldozers used in rescue operations across the Strip.
  • Qatar’s Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani says Doha is still working with mediators to reach an end to the war in Gaza.
  • At least 51,266 Palestinians have been confirmed killed and 116,991 wounded in Israel’s war on Gaza since it began 18 months ago.
  • The Gaza Government Media Office updated its death toll to more than 61,700, saying thousands of people missing under the rubble are presumed dead. At least 1,139 people were killed in Israel during the Hamas-led October 7, 2023, attacks, and more than 200 were taken captive.
Source: Al Jazeera
 
Anti-Hamas protests on rise in Gaza as group's iron grip slips

"Out! Out! Out!"

The voice in the Telegram video is insistent. Loud. Sometimes musical.

And the message unambiguous.

"All of Hamas, out!"

On the streets of Gaza, more and more Palestinians are expressing open defiance against the armed group that's ruled the strip for almost 20 years.

Many hold Hamas responsible for plunging the tiny, impoverished territory into the worst crisis faced by Palestinians in more than 70 years.

"Deliver the message," another crowd chants, as it surges through Gaza's devastated streets: "Hamas is garbage."

"The world is deceived by the situation in the Gaza Strip," says Moumen al-Natour, a Gaza lawyer and former political prisoner who's long been a vocal critic of Hamas.

Al-Natour spoke to us from the shattered remains of his city, the flimsy canvas side of the tent which now forms part of his house billowing behind him.

"The world thinks that Gaza is Hamas and Hamas is Gaza," he said. "We didn't choose Hamas and now Hamas is determined to rule Gaza and tie our fate to its own. Hamas must retreat. "

Speaking out is dangerous. Hamas has never tolerated dissent. Moumen seems undaunted, writing a furious column for the Washington Post at the end of March.

"To support Hamas is to be for Palestinian death," he wrote, "not Palestinian freedom".

Wasn't it dangerous to speak out in this way, I asked him.

"We need to take a risk and speak out," he replied without hesitation.

"I'm 30 years old. When Hamas took over, I was 11. What have I done with my life? My life has been wasted between war and escalating violence for nothing."

Since Hamas took control of Gaza in 2007 by violently ousting political rivals, a year after winning national elections, there have been three major wars with Israel and two smaller conflicts.

"Humanity demands that we raise our voices," al-Natour said, "despite suppression by Hamas".

Hamas may be busy fighting Israel, but it's not afraid to punish its critics.

At the end of March, 22-year old Oday al-Rubai was abducted by armed gunmen from a refugee shelter in Gaza City.

Hours later, his body was found covered in horrific wounds.

The Palestinian Independent Commission for Human Rights said Oday had been tortured, calling his death "a grave violation of the right to life and an extrajudicial killing".

Al-Rubai had participated in recent anti-Hamas protests. His family blamed Hamas for his death and demanded justice.

Days earlier, a frightened al-Rubai posted a dark, grainy video on social media in which he expressed his fear that Hamas militants were coming for him.

"Gaza has become a city of ghosts," he said, glancing over his shoulder.

"I'm stranded in the street, not knowing where to go. I don't know why they're after me. They destroyed us and brought ruin to us."

At his funeral, a small crowd demanded revenge and repeated demands for Hamas to get out of Gaza.

Last summer, Amin Abed almost suffered the same fate, following his decision to speak out against Hamas.

Masked militants beat him senseless, broke bones all over his body and damaged his kidneys. Abed survived but had to seek medical treatment abroad.

Now living in Dubai, he's still involved in the protest movement, and believes that Hamas' authority is diminished.

"Hamas' power has begun to fade," he told me.

"It targets activists and civilians, beats and kills them to scare people. But it's not how it was before."

Before the ceasefire collapsed last month, Hamas fighters seemed intent on highly visible displays of power.

But now, with Israel once again attacking relentlessly, the same gunmen have retreated underground and Gaza's civilians have been plunged back into the misery of war.

Some of the more recent protests suggest that civilians, driven to the edge of madness by a year and a half of Israeli bombardment, are losing their fear of Hamas.

Beit Lahiya, at the northern end of the Gaza Strip, has seen some of the most vociferous opposition.

In a series of voice notes, an eyewitness – who asked not to be named – described several recent incidents in which local residents prevented Hamas fighters from carrying out military actions from inside their community.

On 13 April, he said, Hamas gunmen tried to force their way into the house of an elderly man, Jamal al-Maznan.

"They wanted to launch rockets and pipes [a derogatory term used for some of Hamas' home-made projectiles] from inside his house," the eyewitness told us.

"But he refused."

The incident soon escalated, with relatives and neighbours all coming to al-Maznan's defence. The gunmen opened fire, injuring several people, but eventually were driven out.

"They were not intimidated by the bullets," the eyewitness said of the protesters.

"They advanced and told [the gunmen] to take their things and flee. We don't want you in this place. We don't want your weapons that have brought us destruction, devastation and death."

Elsewhere in Gaza, protesters have told militants to stay away from hospitals and schools, to avoid situations in which civilians are caught up in Israeli air strikes.

But such defiance is still risky. In Gaza City, Hamas shot one such protester dead.

With little to lose and hopes of an end to the war dashed once more, some Gazans direct their fury equally at Israel and Hamas.

Asked which side he blamed most for Gaza's catastrophe, Amin Abed said it was "a choice between cholera and the plague".

The protest movement of recent weeks is not yet a rebellion, but after almost 20 years of rule Hamas' iron grip on Gaza is slowly slipping.

BBC
 
Israeli military admits its troops killed UN worker in Gaza Strip

Israel's military has admitted killing a United Nations (UN) worker with tank fire, having previously denied responsibility, in an incident in the Gaza Strip last month.

After a UN staff member was killed when a UN compound in Deir al-Balah was damaged on 19 March, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had not struck the site.

But the IDF said on Thursday that the initial findings of its investigation into the incident indicated its troops had in fact killed the UN worker after wrongly identifying the building as containing an "enemy presence".

It said in a statement: "The building was struck due to assessed enemy presence and was not identified by the forces as a UN facility."


 
This thread is now to die a slow death.

After kashmir incident.

pakistani issues take priority. To us. Not this one. Bleh.
 
Israel warns of 'larger' Gaza assault as air strikes kill at least 55

Gaza rescue teams and medics said Israeli air strikes killed at least 55 people on Thursday, as the military threatened an even larger offensive if hostages were not freed soon.

Israel resumed its military assault in the Gaza Strip on March 18, after the collapse of a two-month ceasefire that had brought a temporary halt to fighting in the blockaded Palestinian territory.

Israel's army chief, visiting troops in Gaza on Thursday, threatened to expand the offensive in Gaza if hostages seized during Hamas's October 7, 2023 attack on Israel were not released.

"If we do not see progress in the return of the hostages in the near future, we will expand our activities to a larger and more significant operation," Lieutenant General Eyal Zamir said.

The warning came as the army issued fresh evacuation orders for northern areas of Gaza ahead of a planned attack.

Earlier in the day, six members of one family – a couple and their four children – were killed when an air strike levelled their home in northern Gaza City, the civil defence agency said in a statement.

Nidal al-Sarafiti, a relative, said the strike happened as the family was sleeping.

"What can I say? The destruction has spared no one," he told AFP.

Nine people were killed and several wounded in another strike on a former police station in the Jabalia area of northern Gaza, according to a statement from the Indonesian hospital, where the casualties were taken.

"Everyone started running and screaming, not knowing what to do from the horror and severity of the bombing," said Abdel Qader Sabah, 23, from Jabalia.

Israel's military said it struck a Hamas "command and control centre" in the area but did not say whether it was the police station.

In another deadly attack, the bodies of 12 people were recovered after the Hajj Ali family home, also in Jabalia, was struck, the civil defence said.

Another 28 people were killed in strikes across the territory, medics and the civil defence agency reported.

They came as the Israeli military ordered Palestinians living in the northern areas of Beit Hanoun and Sheikh Zayed to evacuate ahead of an attack.

"Due to ongoing terrorist activities and sniper fire against IDF troops in the area, the IDF is intensely operating in the area," the military's Arabic-language spokesman Avichay Adraee said on X.

The United Nations has warned that Israel's expanding evacuation orders across Gaza are resulting in the "forcible transfer" of people into ever-shrinking areas.

Aid agencies estimate that the vast majority of Gaza's 2.4 million residents have been displaced at least once since the war began.

Killed 'one by one'

In the aftermath of a strike in Khan Younis, AFP footage showed bodies on the ground, including those of a young woman and a boy in body bags, surrounded by grieving relatives kissing and stroking their faces.

"One by one we are getting martyred, dying in pieces," said Rania al-Jumla who lost her sister in another strike in Khan Younis.

Since Israel resumed its military operations, at least 1,978 people have been killed in Gaza, raising the overall death toll to at least 51,355 since the war began, according to the health ministry in the Hamas-run territory.

The military acknowledged on Thursday that Israeli tank fire had killed a UN worker in the central Gaza city of Deir el-Balah last month, according to an investigation's initial findings.

It had initially denied operating in the area where a Bulgarian employee of United Nations Office for Project Services (UNOPS) was killed on March 19.

Bulgaria said it had received an "official apology" from Israel over the killing.

The findings came after the military on Sunday reported on a separate probe into the killing of 15 Palestinian emergency workers in Gaza.

It admitted that operational failures led to their deaths, and said a field commander would be dismissed.

The war was ignited by the Hamas-led October 7 attack on Israel, which resulted in the deaths of 1,218 people, mostly civilians, according to an AFP tally based on official Israeli figures.

During the attack, militants also abducted 251 people and took them to Gaza. Of those, 58 remain in captivity, including 34 the military says are dead.

Israeli officials maintain that the ongoing military campaign is essential to securing the release of the remaining hostages.

However, many families of the captives, along with thousands of protesters, have strongly criticised the authorities for pressing ahead with the offensive rather than striking a deal.

SOURCE: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250424-gaza-rescuers-say-israeli-strikes-kill-53
 
Hamas is open to freeing hostages, five-year truce in Gaza, official says

"Hamas is ready for an exchange of prisoners in a single batch and a truce for five years," the official told AFP on condition of anonymity, as a delegation from his group was set to meet mediators in Cairo later in the day.

On April 17, Hamas, which opposes a "partial" ceasefire agreement, rejected an Israeli proposal that included a 45-day truce in exchange for the return of 10 living hostages.

The group has consistently demanded that a truce agreement must lead to the end of the war, a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, a prisoner exchange, and the immediate and sufficient entry of humanitarian aid into the war-battered Palestinian territory.

Israel, for its part, demands the return of all hostages and the disarmament of Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza – the latter being a "red line" for the Islamist movement.

Hamas says ‘lost contact’ with captors of Israeli-American hostage key to Gaza truce proposal

The war was triggered by Hamas's unprecedented attack on Israel on October 7, 2023, which resulted in the death of 1,218 people on the Israeli side, mostly civilians, according to an AFP count based on official figures.

Of the 251 people taken hostage that day, 58 are still being held in Gaza, including 34 who are dead, according to the Israeli army.

A truce from January 19 to March 17 allowed the return of 33 hostages to Israel, including eight who were deceased, in exchange for the release of about 1,800 Palestinians from Israeli prisons.

According to figures published by the Hamas-run territory's health ministry, at least 2,062 Palestinians have been killed since the Israeli offensive resumed on March 18, bringing the total death toll in Gaza to 51,439 since the start of the war.

AFP
 
This thread is now to die a slow death.

After kashmir incident.

pakistani issues take priority. To us. Not this one. Bleh.

Take them blinkers off.

Humanity must prevail in the face of the worst GENOCIDE in living memory.

You are digging a deep hole with your delusional and ill advise posts.
 
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pakistanis finally prioritizing kashmir.

Proves palistin is irrelevant to us. They haven't voiced concern for kashmir either.
 
ICJ opens hearings on Israeli obligations on Gaza humanitarian crisis

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has opened hearings to gauge Israel’s responsibility for the humanitarian crisis engulfing Gaza during its war against Hamas.

The hearings, which began on Monday in The Hague and will run throughout the week, follow a request last year from the United Nations General Assembly asking the court to assess Israel’s responsibility to ensure the provision of essential supplies to Gaza.


 
I would urge everyone to watch the latest Louis Theroux documentary "The Settlers" on BBC and BBC Iplayer before it is removed. It is a follow up of his original documentary in 2011.

I would especially recommend our resident Indian posters to watch this and would be interested to hear their comments.
 
The evil and illegal regime still on no holds barred mode
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Health Ministry says 2,308 people, including 595 children, killed across Gaza since Israel broke ceasefire on March 18

Residents of Nuseirat in central Gaza describe an “earthquake” as an Israeli attack on a building killed at least eight people. At least 35 have been killed across Gaza in the past 24 hours, Gaza’s Health Ministry says.

Day three of International Court of Justice hearings on Israel’s humanitarian obligations to Palestinians saw the United States and Hungary defend Israel and discredit the court and the UN as biased.

Israel’s war on Gaza has killed at least 52,400 Palestinians and wounded 118,014 others, according to the enclave’s Health Ministry. The Gaza Government Media Office updated the death toll to more than 61,700, saying thousands of people missing under the rubble are presumed dead. An estimated 1,139 people were killed in Israel during Hamas-led attacks on October 7, 2023, and more than 200 were taken captive.

Source: Al Jazeera
 
Focus on kashmir instead.

Because they don't.

And only you can.
Keeping religion aside, it is hard to deny the correlation between what is happening to both Palestine and Kashmir.
Perhaps, and I'm not one of them, the underlying similarities is what draws so many Pakistani's to the issues surrounding Palestine and understandably so.
 
Gaza activist ship 'attacked by drones' off coast of Malta, NGO says

Activists who were planning to sail an aid ship to Gaza say it was struck by drones in international waters off the coast of Malta - appearing to accuse Israel of being behind the attack.

The Freedom Flotilla Coalition said its ship The Conscience was targeted at 00:23 local time on Friday and issued an SOS signal right after the attack.

The group said it had planned to sail to Gaza and "challenge Israel's illegal siege and blockade" there.

The Maltese government said everyone aboard the ship is "confirmed safe" and that a fire onboard the ship was "brought under control overnight".

The NGO called for Israeli ambassadors to be summoned to answer for "violation of international law, including the ongoing blockade and the bombing of our civilian vessel".

The Israeli military said it was looking into reports of the attack.

The Maltese government said that 12 crew and four activists were on board the boat, while the NGO said 30 activists had been on board.

The Freedom Flotilla Coalition uploaded a video showing a fire on one of its ships but did not indicate whether anyone had been hurt. It said the attack appeared to have targeted the generator, which left the ship without power and at risk of sinking.

The Maltese government said a tugboat was sent to the scene to extinguish the fire, which they say was under control by 01:28 local time.

"By 2:13, all crew were confirmed safe but refused to board the tug," the statement said, adding the ship remains outside territorial waters.

Cyprus responded to the SOS signal by dispatching a vessel, the charity said, but that it was not "providing the critical electrical support needed".

The coalition is campaigning to end Israel's blockade of Gaza.

Two months ago, Israel shut all crossings to Gaza – preventing all goods, including food, fuel and medicines from entering - and later resumed its military offensive, ending a two-month ceasefire with Hamas.

The Israeli military launched a campaign to destroy Hamas in response to an unprecedented cross-border attack on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken hostage.

At least 52,418 people have been killed in Gaza during the ensuing war, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

BBC
 
Gaza kitchens warn food will run out in days after two months of Israeli blockade
A hot meal is hard to come by in the Gaza Strip, but a lunch for needy families in the south is about to be delivered by donkey and cart.

Today's dish is koshari - made with lentils, rice and a zesty tomato sauce - in a set of huge cooking pots in one of two community kitchens run by American Near East Refugee Aid (Anera), a US-based humanitarian organisation.

"People rely on our meals; they have no source of income to buy what's left in the local markets and many foods are not available," says Sami Matar, who leads the Anera team.

"In the past we used to cook rice with meat - with protein. Now, because of the closure, there's no type of meat, no fresh vegetables."

Two months after Israel cut off all supplies from entering Gaza, Mr Matar is warning that the few dozen remaining food kitchens are set to close in days.

"The coming days will be critical. We expect we have two weeks' supply, maybe less."

On 2 March, Israel shut all crossings to Gaza - preventing all goods, including food, fuel and medicines from entering - and resumed its military offensive two weeks later, ending a two-month ceasefire with Hamas. It said these steps were meant to put pressure on Hamas to release the hostages it still holds.

Recently, the UN's World Food Programme and Unrwa, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, said they had used up all their stocks of food aid.

There is growing international pressure on Israel to lift its blockade, with warnings that mass starvation could be imminent and that intentionally starving civilians is a war crime.

"Aid, and the civilian lives it saves, should never be a bargaining chip," the UN's humanitarian chief, Tom Fletcher, warned on Thursday.

"Blocking aid starves civilians. It leaves them without basic medical support. It strips them of dignity and hope. It inflicts a cruel collective punishment. Blocking aid kills."

Hundreds of thousands of Gazans depend on a few dozen remaining kitchens for sustenance. The one run by Anera in Khan Younis feeds some 6,000 people a day.

But if Israel does not lift its blockade, by far the longest it has ever imposed on Gaza, the kitchens - a last lifeline for so many - will soon have nothing to distribute. Food stockpiled during the ceasefire at the start of this year, has all but run out.

"We used to receive more than 100 trucks every week - trucks of food parcels and hygiene kits. Now we don't have anything," Mr Matar says as he shows a local BBC journalist around the vast, empty Anera warehouse.

"We struggle to provide food such as rice, lentils, pasta, cooking oil and salt, for our community kitchens. It's very expensive to buy 1kg of wood and we need over 700kg a day for cooking."

A displaced mother said there was no cooking gas or food to make meals for her family.
Israel has accused Hamas of stealing and storing humanitarian aid to give to its fighters or sell to raise money. The UN and other agencies deny aid has been diverted and say that they have strict monitoring mechanisms.

"We work hard to avoid any interference from any parties. We have an accurate and strong distribution process," says Mr Matar, inspecting lists of aid recipients on his computer.

"We have a database of hundreds of thousands of people, including their names, ID numbers and addresses - the co-ordinates of the camps. This avoids duplication with the work of other non-governmental organisations and ensures transparency."

This week, aid workers have said there were five cases of looting at warehouses and the main Unrwa complex in Gaza.

A UN official said it was a sign of people's growing desperation and "systemic collapse".

Back in the outdoor kitchen, Mr Matar tests the food from the steaming pots to check its quality. Parcels are wrapped up for distribution; each can serve up to four people.

All the workers receive food for their own hungry families.

The rest is soon transferred on the donkey cart through the bustling streets to al-Mawasi, a crowded tent camp for displaced people on the coast, where dozens of field monitors supervise the hand-out.

An elderly man walking with crutches looks relieved as he clutches two parcels of koshari to feed his family of seven. "Thank God, this will be enough," he says.

"Don't even ask me about the situation," he goes on. "We're only alive because death hasn't taken us yet. I swear I was searching for a loaf of bread since the morning, and I found none."

"The situation is tragic, and it keeps worsening," comments a weary looking mother. "Life is humiliating here. We have men who are unable to work. There is no income, and all the products are so expensive. We're unable to buy anything."

"At this time, this is excellent," she says of the warm meal she has just been given. "Because there is no cooking gas, no food. When we want to have a cup of tea, I collect leaves to start a fire."

It has now been more than a year and a half since the war in Gaza began, triggered by the Hamas-led attacks on southern Israel. That assault killed around 1,200 people and more than 250 people were taken hostage. Some 59 are still held captive, with up to 24 of those believed to be alive.

Israel's military campaign has killed more than 52,400 people in Gaza, mostly women, children and the elderly, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. More than 90% of the 2.1 million population has been displaced - with many forced to flee multiple times.

The UN has warned that the current situation "is likely the worst it has been" due to the blockade, the renewed offensive and evacuation orders that have displaced some 500,000 people since 18 March.

Anera distributes the food to tents in al-Mawasi rather than requiring people to queue for food at the kitchen
There is growing international pressure on Israel to lift its blockade, with warnings that intentionally starving civilians is a potential war crime. The UN says that Israel has a clear obligation under international law as an occupying power to allow and facilitate aid for Gazans.

Last Friday, US President Donald Trump said he had told Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu that "we've got to be good to Gaza" and pushed him to allow more food and medicine into the strip.

There was no official response to that, but earlier in the week, the Israeli foreign ministry rejected criticism from the UK, France and Germany, which described the blockade as "intolerable" in a joint statement and insisting "this must end."

The ministry said more than 25,000 lorries carrying almost 450,000 tonnes of goods had entered Gaza during the ceasefire. It added: "Israel is monitoring the situation on the ground, and there is no shortage of aid."

Israeli officials have indicated they plan to overhaul the aid distribution system.

For now, supplies are piling up at Gaza's border crossings waiting to be brought in, while inside the territory, aid workers carefully ration what is left of their stock.

In al-Mawasi camp, children gather playfully around Sami Matar and the Anera workers giving out the last of the day's food parcels.

Many are painfully thin, with new warnings of acute malnutrition in Gaza - especially among the young.

Anera's Sami Matar speaks to a boy eating a plate of koshari in al-Mawasi, southern Gaza
Sami Matar appealed to Israel to reopen Gaza's crossings
"I don't know what will happen if our supplies end," says Mr Matar, weighed down by the responsibility of his work.

"The feeling of having to stop this vital help to people would be so stressful and depressing to me and my staff."

"We have an urgent appeal," he continues. "Look at us, see our desperation, understand that time is running out. Please we just need to open the crossings again."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2vz02e7g8o
 

May be the recent fire wasn't enough to end the evil​

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Israeli security cabinet backs plans to expand Gaza war: reports​


Israel's security cabinet approved plans for an expanded war on the Gaza Strip, Israeli media reported on Friday, adding to signs that attempts to stop the onslaught and return captives held by Hamas have made no progress.

The decision came after comments from both Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the head of the military, Lieutenant General Eyal Zamir this week indicating that Israel intended to step up the war on Gaza.

Since Israel broke and ended the latest ceasefire in March, Israeli troops have been carving out wide buffer zones in Gaza, squeezing the 2.3 million population into an ever narrower zone in the centre of the enclave and along the coast and blocking the entry of aid trucks.

"As long as Hamas does not release our hostages, we will significantly deepen our military action," Ynet, one of Israel's main news outlets quoted an unnamed Israeli official as saying.

A spokesperson for Netanyahu's office declined to comment on the reports, which said the decision would be approved by the full cabinet on Sunday.

On Thursday, Netanyahu said that while Israel was seeking the return of its hostages, of whom up to 24 are believed to be alive, its ultimate goal in Gaza remained to defeat Hamas.

"In war, there is the ultimate goal – and that ultimate goal is the victory over our enemies," he said.

Despite efforts by Egyptian and Qatari mediators to restore the ceasefire, neither Israel nor Hamas has shown willingness to back down on core demands, with each side blaming the other for the failure to reach a deal.

Israel has insisted that Hamas must disarm and be excluded from any role in the future governance of the enclave, a condition that Hamas rejects.

The group, which has run Gaza since 2007, has insisted on agreeing a lasting end to the fighting and a withdrawal of Israeli forces as a condition for a deal that would see a release of the captives.

Israeli commanders have said the military is ready to step up its assault on Gaza at short notice.

"We will use all the power at our disposal, we will increase the pace and intensity of the operation, and if required we'll do so soon," Zamir said at a so-called 'Independence Day' ceremony on Thursday.

On Friday, Israel continued to bomb different areas of Gaza, killing at least 42 Palestinians, Gaza health authorities said.

Israel's war on Gaza has killed at least 52,418 Palestinians since October 2023, including 2,326 since Israel broke the ceasefire in March.

Source: The New Arab
 
Israel calls on Qatar to 'stop playing both sides' in Gaza talks

- Israel called on Qatar, a key mediator between Israel and Hamas, to "stop playing both sides with its double talk and decide if it's on the side of civilization or if it's on the side of Hamas", the Israeli Prime Minister's office said on Saturday.

Qatar rejected the statements as "inflammatory".

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Despite efforts by Egyptian and Qatari mediators to restore a ceasefire, neither Israel nor Hamas has shown willingness to back down on core demands, with each side blaming the other for the failure to reach a deal.

Israel, which wants the return of 59 hostages still held in Gaza, has insisted Hamas must disarm and be excluded from any role in the future governance of the enclave, a condition that Hamas rejects.

It has insisted on agreeing a lasting end to the fighting and withdrawal of Israeli forces as a condition for a deal that would see a release of the hostages.

"The State of Qatar firmly rejects the inflammatory statements issued by the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office, which fall far short of the most basic standards of political and moral responsibility," Qatar's foreign ministry spokesperson Majed Al-Ansari posted on X early on Sunday.

Al-Ansari criticized the portrayal of the Gaza conflict as a defense of civilization, likening it to historical regimes that used "false narratives to justify crimes against civilians."

In his post, Al-Ansari questioned whether the release of 138 hostages was achieved through military operations or mediation efforts, which he said are being unjustly criticized and undermined.

He also cited the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza represented by what he called a suffocating blockade, systematic starvation, denial of medicine and shelter, and the use of humanitarian aid as a tool of political coercion.

On Friday, Israel's security cabinet approved plans for an expanded operation in the Gaza Strip, Israeli media reported on Friday, adding to signs that attempts to stop the fighting and return hostages held by Hamas have made no progress.

Israel's campaign was triggered by the devastating Hamas attack on Oct. 7, 2023, that killed 1,200 people in southern Israel and saw 251 taken hostage. It has so far killed more than 50,000 Palestinians and devastated Gaza where aid groups have warned the Israeli blockade risks a humanitarian disaster.

REUTERS
 
Still remember posters here basically dancing when HAMAS played it’s dirty game on 7th October, 2023.

How has the fun been since then?​
 
Still remember posters here basically dancing when HAMAS played it’s dirty game on 7th October, 2023.

How has the fun been since then?​
Are you dancing on those 60-70k people, including newborn children, that died???\
 
Keeping religion aside, it is hard to deny the correlation between what is happening to both Palestine and Kashmir.
Perhaps, and I'm not one of them, the underlying similarities is what draws so many Pakistani's to the issues surrounding Palestine and understandably so.
In pakistan, neither issue is drawing crowds. Anymore.

Apparently, it's a badge of honor for pakistanis with western passports to continue railing against israel. On social media. Only.

It is tapered affection so as not to lose citizenships, and/or get deported. A passing fad. Justifiably.
 
Don't try to justify the act of Israel. They are killing the general population. A genocide that needs no proof but the world has turned blind and people are justifying the acts...
Pathetic
 
In pakistan, neither issue is drawing crowds. Anymore.

Apparently, it's a badge of honor for pakistanis with western passports to continue railing against israel. On social media. Only.

It is tapered affection so as not to lose citizenships, and/or get deported. A passing fad. Justifiably.
So?
All I mentioned was the possible correlation between Palestine and Kashmir... what has that go to do Ruth overseas Pakistanis?

I can't continue a debate or conversation with someone who has a blinkered view, is agenda driven and unable to accept anything that remotely deviates from their views.
 
They do, but the ones directly responsible are those of HAMAS.

You lack critical thinking.
If you know anything about the ground realities, what the Palestinians have to go through living in the West Bank, let alone in Gaza, perhaps only then will you start to open your mind and start questioning why certain things happen as they do...
 
Anyone who supports Israeli killings of Palestinian children is a monster. We have a few on this forum (from a particular country).
 

Houthi missile lands near Israel's main airport, flights halted​


A missile launched by Yemen rebels Yemen on Sunday briefly halted flights and commuter traffic at Israel's main international airport after an impact left a plume of smoke and caused panic among passengers.

The Houthi rebels have been striking Israel throughout the war in Gaza in solidarity with Palestinians.

The attack on Ben-Gurion International Airport came hours before top Israeli Cabinet ministers were set to vote on whether to intensify the country’s military operations in the Gaza Strip.

The army meanwhile began calling up thousands of reserves in anticipation of a wider operation in Gaza, officials said.

The missile launch on Sunday set off air raid sirens in multiple parts of Israel.

A plume of smoke was visible at the airport, according to footage shared by Israeli media. Passengers were heard yelling and scrambling for cover.

It was not immediately clear whether the projectile, which landed in a field near an access road leading to airport parking lots, was the missile or its fragments, or an interceptor from Israel's air defense systems.

It left a deep crater in the ground and a nearby road was littered with dirt.

Police said that air, road and rail traffic were halted following the attack. The traffic resumed after about an hour, Israel Airports Authority said. Israel’s paramedic service Magen David Adom said four people were lightly wounded.

Houthi military spokesman Brig. Gen. Yahya Saree said in a video statement that the group fired a hypersonic ballistic missile at the airport.

Houthi rebels have been firing at Israel since the war with Gaza erupted on Oct. 7, 2023, and the missiles have mostly been intercepted, although some have penetrated Israel's missile defence systems, causing damage.

Source: https://www.gulftoday.ae/news/2025/...ands-near-israels-main-airport-flights-halted
 
Israeli army starts calling up reservists for planned expansion to Gaza offensive

The Israeli military has begun calling up tens of thousands of reservists to "intensify and expand" its operations in Gaza.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it was "increasing the pressure" with the aim of returning hostages held in Gaza and defeating Hamas militants.

Critics say the recent military offensive, after a ceasefire broke down, has failed to guarantee the release of captives, and question Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's objectives in the conflict.

Under the plan, the military said it would operate in new areas and "destroy all infrastructure" above and below ground.

Israeli media report that the Israeli security cabinet has approved the renewed military expansion in Gaza.


But reports suggest it will not happen until after President Donald Trump's trip to the region next week.

International negotiations have failed to reach a new deal for a ceasefire and the release of the remaining 59 hostages being held by Hamas - 24 of whom are believed to be alive.

No Israeli hostages have been released since Israel resumed its offensive on 18 March after the collapse of a two-month ceasefire with Hamas.

Since then, Israel has seized large areas of Gaza, displacing hundreds of thousands of Gazans again.

Israel has said its aim was to put pressure on Hamas, a strategy that has included a blockade on humanitarian aid that has been in place for more than two months.

Aid agencies, who have reported acute shortages of food, water and medicines, have said this was a policy of starvation that could amount to a war crime, an allegation Israel rejects.

An expanded offensive will put more pressure on exhausted reservists, some of whom have been drafted five or six times since the war started, and renew concerns of the families of hostages, who have urged the government to reach a deal with Hamas, saying this is the only way to save those who are still alive.

The measure will also raise new questions about Netanyahu's real intentions in Gaza.

He has been frequently accused by the hostages' families and opponents of sabotaging negotiations for a deal, and of prolonging the war for political purposes, allegations he denies.

And almost 19 months into the war, he has not presented a day-after plan.

Source: BBC
 
This was never about Hamas or the Hostages.

This is implementing of " The Greater Israel Project"

And we have so called democracies throughout the World who fully support this.

Shame on humanity.


Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan to capture all of the Gaza Strip and remain there for an unspecified amount of time, two officials said, AP reports.

The plan was approved today and is part of Israel’s efforts to increase pressure on Hamas to free hostages and negotiate a ceasefire on Israel’s terms.

The two officials said the plan also includes the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to southern Gaza. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing military plans.
 
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This was never about Hamas or the Hostages.

This is implementing of " The Greater Israel Project"

And we have so called democracies throughout the World who fully support this.

Shame on humanity.


Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan to capture all of the Gaza Strip and remain there for an unspecified amount of time, two officials said, AP reports.

The plan was approved today and is part of Israel’s efforts to increase pressure on Hamas to free hostages and negotiate a ceasefire on Israel’s terms.

The two officials said the plan also includes the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to southern Gaza. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing military plans.
Yes and this is another reason why told people to what that Louis Theroux Documentary...

Every street in the west bank has a check point, soldiers check the passports and ask reason for being there at every check-point...

This is the West Bank, imagine what the boarder to Isreal would be like??!?
If there was any doubt about October 2023, then watch this documentary
 
Yes and this is another reason why told people to what that Louis Theroux Documentary...

Every street in the west bank has a check point, soldiers check the passports and ask reason for being there at every check-point...

This is the West Bank, imagine what the boarder to Isreal would be like??!?
If there was any doubt about October 2023, then watch this documentary

Yes. I've been watching it. I'm surprised BBC have allowed air time for this.
 
Anyone who supports Israeli killings of Palestinian children is a monster. We have a few on this forum (from a particular country).


Monsters!!! In lust for their own power, killing innocents and maiming kids to send a message.

Hamas has executed six Palestinians in Gaza and shot 13 others in the legs for alleged looting, the militant group said in a statement, as desperation grows under a complete Israeli blockade that has now entered its third month
 
Hamas says 'no point' to truce talks as Israel plans to capture all of Gaza
A senior Hamas official has said there is "no point" in further talks on a new Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal, after Israel approved an expanded offensive that may include seizing all of the Palestinian territory indefinitely.

Bassem Naim told the BBC the armed group would not engage with new proposals while Israel continued its "starvation war".

On Monday, the Israeli military said the aim of the "wide-scale" operation was the return of hostages held by Hamas and its "decisive defeat".

Israeli officials said it would involve "capturing" Gaza, displacing the majority of its population, and taking control of aid after a two-month blockade the UN says has caused severe food shortages.

The officials also said the offensive would not begin until after US President Donald Trump's visit to the region next week, giving Hamas what they called a "window of opportunity" to agree to a deal.

But Bassem Naim's comments on Tuesday seemed to counter that.

UN Secretary General António Guterres warned that expanded Israeli ground operations and a prolonged military presence would "inevitably lead to countless more civilians killed and the further destruction of Gaza".

UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer and French President Emmanuel Macron expressed deep concern at recent developments and agreed that "a renewed peace process was required", Downing Street said.

In Washington, President Trump said the US would help supply food to people in Gaza, without going into details.

"People are starving and we're going to help them get some food. A lot of people are making it very, very bad," he said. "Hamas is making it impossible because they're taking everything that's brought in."

Israel cut off all deliveries of aid and other supplies on 2 March and resumed its offensive two weeks later after the collapse of a two-month ceasefire, saying it was putting pressure on Hamas to release hostages.

It also accused Hamas of stealing and storing aid - an allegation the group has denied.

Aid agencies have warned that with no change in policy, mass starvation is imminent.

They have also condemned Israel's proposal to deliver aid through private companies at military hubs, saying it would be a breach of basic humanitarian principles and that they would not co-operate.

The UN has said Israel is obliged under international law to ensure food and medical supplies for Gaza's population. Israel has said it is complying with international law and there is no aid shortage.

The Israeli military launched a campaign to destroy Hamas in response to an unprecedented cross-border attack on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken hostage.

At least 52,567 people have been killed in Gaza since then, including 2,459 since the Israeli offensive resumed, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

Source: BBC
 
Don’t know why Palestinians and Hamas are not sitting down with Israeli Zionists and having peace talk
 
Don’t know why Palestinians and Hamas are not sitting down with Israeli Zionists and having peace talk

The Greater Israel Project suggests to me the zionest extremist state has no appetite for peace or a two state solution. They want total annexation beyond the borders.
 
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