Israelis: Is Judaism more similar to Christianity or Islam?

[hussain.r97]

Only those Allah chooses to have mercy on Will Go to Heaven regardless if he is muslim or not, but As Allah tells us only Islam is the path acceptable To Him, therefore only through the path of Islam can one have hope of Heaven.]

Where does Allah say that only Islam is the only path acceptable to him? Yes, if you mean Islam, as in "those who submit to God", then I agree with you. If you mean Islam as in only those who believe in Muhammad (pbuh), then show me where it says that. From my reading of the Quran, I have not seen such a thing.

Leading a pious life if it is not for the sake of Allah is worthless, the christians should ask for their reward from Jesus( pbuh) and the jews from whoever they worship.

This shows you terribly misunderstand other religions, and are highly ignorant.

You haven't actually answered any of my questions.

 

[enkidu_]

[MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] all Islamic scholars throughout the centuries have been wrong but you're right in thinking that a population who believes a crucified Jew is somehow the creator of the Universe aren't doing shirk (itself considered as T H E sin in the Qur'an) ? Are you even aware that out of the +1400 years history of Islam, if you were born in the previous 1350 years, you would NOT hold this narrative ?

You're just a collateral victim of the postmodern relativism of the West, where worshiping Allah (swt) and Ganesh is somehow similar as long as you have "good intentions", like I guess there's no rule of law in the real world either if you have "good intentions", but it's quite thrilling to see you rationalize and morally neutralize the systematic killings/rapes of what appears to be Muslims of Kashmir but then twist your own religion to have Mother Teresa, Freddie Mercury and Gandhi be in the same place as Saladin, Shah Waliullah or some wali.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Can you show me where I said WHAT I THINK?

I sourced the Quran; if you have a problem with the Quran, take it up with God when you see him.

No.

Unless you understand Arabic as per see, you literally understood the translation that was given to you by one of the scholars or literary person who did his research and interpreted Quran according to his view.

I would tone down the arrogance because I don't have a problem with Allah sending all Christians to heaven and all Muslims to Hell.

But clearly you do, because you would be utterly shocked or even devastated if that happened, because you , have read the Holy Book, have read the translation or its Arabic transliteration and have PERSONALLY come to a decision , that this book means all non-Muslims are ending up in Hell.

That's why it's a blanket statement. It is based on your own perception, the perception of some scholar, or some school of thought.

The Quran is the word of Allah, and we should leave it at that and not try to tell others who don't follow the Quran that they are ending up in Hell.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

[MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] all Islamic scholars throughout the centuries have been wrong but you're right in thinking that a population who believes a crucified Jew is somehow the creator of the Universe aren't doing shirk (itself considered as T H E sin in the Qur'an) ? Are you even aware that out of the +1400 years history of Islam, if you were born in the previous 1350 years, you would NOT hold this narrative ?

You're just a collateral victim of the postmodern relativism of the West, where worshiping Allah (swt) and Ganesh is somehow similar as long as you have "good intentions", like I guess there's no rule of law in the real world either if you have "good intentions", but it's quite thrilling to see you rationalize and morally neutralize the systematic killings/rapes of what appears to be Muslims of Kashmir but then twist your own religion to have Mother Teresa, Freddie Mercury and Gandhi be in the same place as Saladin, Shah Waliullah or some wali.

Sadly I don't know enough on the topic to classify Mother Teresa, Freddie Mercury or Mr. Gandhi as the types who end up in Hell but clearly you do.

Infact, the desire for condemnation is so strong, that you already seem to believe that I follow "post-modern relativism" of the West.

But I do honestly pray and hope to Allah, that one day when he is deciding everyone's fate, people like you are put in their place who come up and decide who should be punished or who should not be punished because of the interpretations of humans.

You know the best part?

I leave things up to Allah and let him decide.

You leave things upto scholarly interpretations and decide what Allah is going to do and then believe I am the one suffering from delusions.

May God bless your soul.

 

[enkidu_]

Sadly I don't know enough on the topic to classify Mother Teresa, Freddie Mercury or Mr. Gandhi as the types who end up in Hell but clearly you do.

Infact, the desire for condemnation is so strong, that you already seem to believe that I follow "post-modern relativism" of the West.

But I do honestly pray and hope to Allah, that one day when he is deciding everyone's fate, people like you are put in their place who come up and decide who should be punished or who should not be punished because of the interpretations of humans.

You know the best part?

I leave things up to Allah and let him decide.

You leave things upto scholarly interpretations and decide what Allah is going to do and then believe I am the one suffering from delusions.

May God bless your soul.

"I" don't matter here, this community has been blessed with 1000s of scholars, why not show me a single one who says that a committed Christian or Hindu can enter Paradise and frequent the likes of 'Umar (r) and Aurangzeb, who imposed jizya on the same demographics ?

I pray that hypocrites like you end up in the same places as the peoples you defend, and far away from the Muslims who's deaths and rapes you have minimized for attention seeking on an internet forum.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

"I" don't matter here, this community has been blessed with 1000s of scholars, why not show me a single one who says that a committed Christian or Hindu can enter Paradise and frequent the likes of 'Umar (r) and Aurangzeb, who imposed jizya on the same demographics ?

I pray that hypocrites like you end up in the same places as the peoples you defend, and far away from the Muslims who's deaths and rapes you have minimized for attention seeking on an internet forum.

Now you are ranting because you have nothing better left and no defense left.

Where did I defend the rapists and murderers of ANY RELIGION, never mind Christians or Jews?

And how do you propose that I die alone and far away from Muslims? Your prayer is actually funny in the sense that you are once again wanting me to end up in "Hell" that you have created in your imagination for non-Muslims only.

Where have I minimized the bloodshed of Muslims? If only Muslim blood hurts you, thats fine by me. But I practice my profession out of humanity and if any one in humanity is in pain, it hurts me. I am not confined by boundaries of Islam to be a human, but you are confined by self made boundaries of Islam to be a savage or curse anyone who doesn't follow your perceptions.

I am not trying to be mean here, but all the books you have read in the world are useless if none of them taught you anything about civilization and humanity, but taught you to hate and condemn.

 

[barah_admi]

No.

Unless you understand Arabic as per see, you literally understood the translation that was given to you by one of the scholars or literary person who did his research and interpreted Quran according to his view.

I would tone down the arrogance because I don't have a problem with Allah sending all Christians to heaven and all Muslims to Hell.

But clearly you do, because you would be utterly shocked or even devastated if that happened, because you , have read the Holy Book, have read the translation or its Arabic transliteration and have PERSONALLY come to a decision , that this book means all non-Muslims are ending up in Hell.

That's why it's a blanket statement. It is based on your own perception, the perception of some scholar, or some school of thought.

The Quran is the word of Allah, and we should leave it at that and not try to tell others who don't follow the Quran that they are ending up in Hell.

Look, if you think that believing in a trinity, or disbelieving in the final messenger is fine, that is up to you but please don't spread this nonsense about people not understanding the Quran.

A - I can understand Arabic.

B - The interpretations into other languages are followed by in depth tafsirs and of course, based upon the cations of Prophet Muhammad PBUH, which explicitly explain the Quran.

C - There are certain verses in the Quran which are straightforward and are not open for interpretation.

I will leave it as that, because as I have said before, I have seen plenty of your posts on here and you are, to put it plainly because I'm a straightforward guy, a liar.

 

[Musakhel]

Care to answer the above post??

Nabi Muhammad (SAW) uncle passed away and one of the companions Asked Him what is Salvation?
Nabi Muhammad (SAW) replied
“Salvation is to believe in the word that my uncle had rejected today.”

From Imam Ahmed musnad.

Hope that answers your question.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Now you are ranting because you have nothing better left and no defense left.

Where did I defend the rapists and murderers of ANY RELIGION, never mind Christians or Jews?

And how do you propose that I die alone and far away from Muslims? Your prayer is actually funny in the sense that you are once again wanting me to end up in "Hell" that you have created in your imagination for non-Muslims only.

Where have I minimized the bloodshed of Muslims? If only Muslim blood hurts you, thats fine by me. But I practice my profession out of humanity and if any one in humanity is in pain, it hurts me. I am not confined by boundaries of Islam to be a human, but you are confined by self made boundaries of Islam to be a savage or curse anyone who doesn't follow your perceptions.

I am not trying to be mean here, but all the books you have read in the world are useless if none of them taught you anything about civilization and humanity, but taught you to hate and condemn.

Very judgemental views here bro, you are accusing someone of ranting, being a savage, and ignorant and devoid of humanity and civility...but by voicing these views you are portraying this ugly and harsh mentality yourself. If you believe in Allah's mercy then ask for him to soften your heart. With Jesus PBUH intervention if you like, a great prophet who laid the example for others to follow.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Very judgemental views here bro, you are accusing someone of ranting, being a savage, and ignorant and devoid of humanity and civility...but by voicing these views you are portraying this ugly and harsh mentality yourself. If you believe in Allah's mercy then ask for him to soften your heart. With Jesus PBUH intervention if you like, a great prophet who laid the example for others to follow.

Lol.

So if a Muslim accuses me of being a pro rapist, its quite fine.

But if I reply to him based on his own verbatim, I am judgmental.

Good job.

We should clap here because clearly if you are a Muslim on this forum, you are entitled to special privileges.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Nabi Muhammad (SAW) uncle passed away and one of the companions Asked Him what is Salvation?
Nabi Muhammad (SAW) replied
“Salvation is to believe in the word that my uncle had rejected today.”

From Imam Ahmed musnad.

Hope that answers your question.

Still doesnt answer why it can be allowed for a Muslim man to marry a girl who will end up in Hell.

I will keep waiting for a detailed explanation.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Look, if you think that believing in a trinity, or disbelieving in the final messenger is fine, that is up to you but please don't spread this nonsense about people not understanding the Quran.

A - I can understand Arabic.

B - The interpretations into other languages are followed by in depth tafsirs and of course, based upon the cations of Prophet Muhammad PBUH, which explicitly explain the Quran.

C - There are certain verses in the Quran which are straightforward and are not open for interpretation.

I will leave it as that, because as I have said before, I have seen plenty of your posts on here and you are, to put it plainly because I'm a straightforward guy, a liar.

When cannot make your point in a useful manner, walk away with a claim that the other person is a liar.

Nothing new to see here.

Good night sir.

 

[Musakhel]

Still doesnt answer why it can be allowed for a Muslim man to marry a girl who will end up in Hell.

I will keep waiting for a detailed explanation.

That is neither here or there, Being married to a muslim does not gurantee anyone anything, Prophet nuah own son died on disbelief so any random women married to a muslim is no special privallage.

I will leave this here for you to ponder on and understand that being a good person or doing good deeds does not mean someone will enter paradise.


Salvation comes from the Arabic word Najah, which means, ‘unearned, unmerited salvation from the Eternal Fire and safety and admittance into the Paradise,’ which is by the Mercy of Allah.

Those who do not believe, their deeds are like a mirage in a sandy desert. Those taking part in it think they will find refreshment and water, until when they come to it, they find nothing but Allah waiting to give them their account – and Allah is swift in taking account (24:39)

 

[Dr_Bassim]

That is neither here or there, Being married to a muslim does not gurantee anyone anything, Prophet nuah own son died on disbelief so any random women married to a muslim is no special privallage.

I will leave this here for you to ponder on and understand that being a good person or doing good deeds does not mean someone will enter paradise.


Salvation comes from the Arabic word Najah, which means, ‘unearned, unmerited salvation from the Eternal Fire and safety and admittance into the Paradise,’ which is by the Mercy of Allah.

Those who do not believe, their deeds are like a mirage in a sandy desert. Those taking part in it think they will find refreshment and water, until when they come to it, they find nothing but Allah waiting to give them their account – and Allah is swift in taking account (24:39)

I think I would like to end the discussion here.

However, I do believe one of us is going to be surprised on the Day of Judgment and I really hope and pray to Allah everyday that it isnt me but someone else.

Have a good life.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lol.

So if a Muslim accuses me of being a pro rapist, its quite fine.

But if I reply to him based on his own verbatim, I am judgmental.

Good job.

We should clap here because clearly if you are a Muslim on this forum, you are entitled to special privileges.

The clue is in the bolded text. When you involve yourself in a mudslinging contest, neither party can remain clean. Be like our lord Jesus PBUH, and when someone threatens a slap on your face, present the other cheek to show you are above your baser instincts.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

The clue is in the bolded text. When you involve yourself in a mudslinging contest, neither party can remain clean. Be like our lord Jesus PBUH, and when someone threatens a slap on your face, present the other cheek to show you are above your baser instincts.

Sure.

But dont know where Lord Jesus is coming from.

I am a Muslim and follow Islam.

 

[Musakhel]

Where does Allah say that only Islam is the only path acceptable to him? Yes, if you mean Islam, as in "those who submit to God", then I agree with you. If you mean Islam as in only those who believe in Muhammad (pbuh), then show me where it says that. From my reading of the Quran, I have not seen such a thing.





This shows you terribly misunderstand other religions, and are highly ignorant.

You haven't actually answered any of my questions.

How can any Jew or christians or those of other beleifs enter paradise after they have heard of Prophet Muhammad yet reject him as The final prophet?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sure.

But dont know where Lord Jesus is coming from.

I am a Muslim and follow Islam.

Islam teaches us that Jesus PBUH was also a prophet of Allah and he is sanctified in the holy Quran.

 

[barah_admi]

When cannot make your point in a useful manner, walk away with a claim that the other person is a liar.

Nothing new to see here.

Good night sir.

I've actually raised several points, you have entirely disregarded them a 14 centuries of scholarship yet not provided any factual or evidence based alternative. That makes you unreliable at best, a liar at worse. If you don't like it, counter it.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I've actually raised several points, you have entirely disregarded them a 14 centuries of scholarship yet not provided any factual or evidence based alternative. That makes you unreliable at best, a liar at worse. If you don't like it, counter it.

I have nothing to counter.

I leave all decisions up to Allah unlike you who leaves all decisions to Muslims and interpretation of Quran by Muslims.

If you cant find any difference, then you need to mature more.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

How can any Jew or christians or those of other beleifs enter paradise after they have heard of Prophet Muhammad yet reject him as The final prophet?

By the mercy of Allah.

Sorry to butt in, but you dont even believe in mercy because your religious thinking has obfuscated any sort of alternative reality.

 

[James]

I agree that Christians lose their golden ticket by following the Trinity.

What about Jews?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I agree that Christians lose their golden ticket by following the Trinity.

What about Jews?

According to Islamic ideology, anyone who does not believe in the Prophet Muhammad and does not follow Islam will not attain paradise.

So the Jews are damned as well.

 

[MenInG]

According to Islamic ideology, anyone who does not believe in the Prophet Muhammad and does not follow Islam will not attain paradise.

So the Jews are damned as well.

I love the way we second guess the will of our creator to suit our pretty arguments

 

[James]

I love the way we second guess the will of our creator to suit our pretty arguments

Yes. Jews believe in the One God at least (unlike Christians)

 

[hussain.r97]

How can any Jew or christians or those of other beleifs enter paradise after they have heard of Prophet Muhammad yet reject him as The final prophet?

Knowing that he is the Prophet, but still rejecting out of pride is another question.

What about people who haven't been touched by the message yet? Or those who haven't recieved the message in the correct way, and hence are repelled by it (majority of people these days)?

 

[Musakhel]

Knowing that he is the Prophet, but still rejecting out of pride is another question.

What about people who haven't been touched by the message yet? Or those who haven't recieved the message in the correct way, and hence are repelled by it (majority of people these days)?

The call of Islam is simple believe in One Allah and his prophet Muhammad (SAW).

Those who haven't recieved the message, I simply say Allah knows best.

As for those who receive a distorted message Imam Ghazali was of the opinion that They belong in the same category as those who are Ignorant of Islam.

Majority of mankind is in error and majority of mankind will die as disbelivers we know this from the Quran.

 

[Robert]

Yes. Jews believe in the One God at least (unlike Christians)

Christians believe in one God, with three facets.

 

[DeadBall]

Christians believe in one God, with three facets.

So apart from the Pakistani media, Christians also believe that Hafeez is God?


Jokes aside I never really got the concept of the Trinity, So God went to Mary in Spirit form and impregnated her with Himself?

 

[Robert]

So apart from the Pakistani media, Christians also believe that Hafeez is God?


Jokes aside I never really got the concept of the Trinity, So God went to Mary in Spirit form and impregnated her with Himself?

Depends how literal you want to be, I guess. I had no problem with it when I was a Christian. It’s no more daft than talking snakes and floods covering the whole world and not eating pork and shellfish. (Most Christians ignore the latter two).

My own take of this is a massive fudge at the Council of Nicea.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Both Judaism and Christianity are on the same chain as Islam. Muslims know them to be as previous versions of revelation. In their truest form, without any fabrication, Christianity would be more similar to Judaism.

 

[InziRules]

Real misunderstanding of Christianity here, surprised [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] hasn't corrected most yet.

I won't say this about all Christian sects, but the Protestant (American version of them at least, trying to keep it basic-ish) is that Jesus is God come down to Earth. God's son, yes, but God as well, so it is still monotheism

 

[enkidu_]

My own take of this is a massive fudge at the Council of Nicea.

There's a good book by the contemporary American authority on Late Antiquity, Ramsay MacMullen, on the subject : "Voting About God in Early Church Councils".

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There's a good book by the contemporary American authority on Late Antiquity, Ramsay MacMullen, on the subject : "Voting About God in Early Church Councils".

Bro please recommend me some books on Islam/Sufism/Eschatology/Comparative religion/Race&genetics/History.

Preferably at entry level.

Please don't dodge the question. I love your posts and would like to study what you talk about in more detail.

JazakAllah

 

[enkidu_]

Bro please recommend me some books on Islam/Sufism/Eschatology/Comparative religion/Race&genetics/History.

Preferably at entry level.

Please don't dodge the question. I love your posts and would like to study what you talk about in more detail.

JazakAllah

OK, I'll try to give three books per subject in order to keep it minimal, keep in mind many (I think the majority) are freely available in PDF format on the internet (if you're at ease reading PDFs, that is).

Islam :

Sayyid Qutb - "Social Justice in Islam"

Alija Izetbegović - "Islam Between East and West"

Charles Le Gai Eaton (a Muslim convert) - "Islam and the Destiny of Man"

Sufism :

Al Sulami - "The Way of Sufi Chivalry"

Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi - "A Sufi Study of Hadith"

Seyyed Hossein Nasr - "The Garden of Truth"

Eschatology

Imam Al-Haddad - "The Lives of Man"

Charles Upton (a Muslim convert) - "Legends of the End: Prophecies of the End Times, Antichrist, Apocalypse, and Messiah from Eight Religious Traditions"

Martin Lings (a Muslim convert) - "The Eleventh Hour"

Comparative religion

Huston Smith (for a time practiced Islam) - "The World's Religions"

Reza Aslan - "God: A Human History"

Frithjof Schuon (a Muslim convert) - "Form and Substance in the Religions" (more technical, but also more profound ; this man was one of the last century's very top intellects)

Race&genetics


Thomas Sowell - "Race and Economics"

Philippe Rushton - "Race, Evolution, and Behavior"

Gregory Clark - "A Farewell to Alms"

History (it's a pretty large category)

Jared Diamond - "Guns, Germs, and Steel"

Yuval Noah Harari - "Sapiens"

Richard Tarnas - "The Passion of the Western Mind" (a big book and somehow technical, but if you read this one, you can avoid all other books on Western thought)

 

[Robert]

Real misunderstanding of Christianity here, surprised [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] hasn't corrected most yet.

I won't say this about all Christian sects, but the Protestant (American version of them at least, trying to keep it basic-ish) is that Jesus is God come down to Earth. God's son, yes, but God as well, so it is still monotheism

I don’t see why people are confused. The concept of the one-god-who-is-three is no different to the avatars of the Hindu gods.

People get hung up on literalism.

 

[enkidu_]

I don’t see why people are confused. The concept of the one-god-who-is-three is no different to the avatars of the Hindu gods.

People get hung up on literalism.

You'be stoned to death by the real Christians because the heresy you're proposing here (equating the Trinity with avatars of Hindu gods) is called modalism/Sabellianism, harshly fought by the early Christian authorities (Tertullian, etc).

Since the council of Nicea/325 the key word to describe the Trinity has been "homoousios", which means that all the three persona of the triad are of the same "substance", which isn't the case with the avatar theory (which sounds more like some schools of the monophysitist heresy).

The Trinity is just plain shirk (polytheism) and like all polytheists God make the Christians ridicule themselves through their own theories (who here seriously thinks that Jesus or apostles would have been dwelling into the complex neo-Platonic philosophical developments of the Church Fathers, to explain a dogma which was never explicit from Jesus' own mouth ?)

 

[DeadlyVenom]

OK, I'll try to give three books per subject in order to keep it minimal, keep in mind many (I think the majority) are freely available in PDF format on the internet (if you're at ease reading PDFs, that is).

Islam :

Sayyid Qutb - "Social Justice in Islam"

Alija Izetbegović - "Islam Between East and West"

Charles Le Gai Eaton (a Muslim convert) - "Islam and the Destiny of Man"

Sufism :

Al Sulami - "The Way of Sufi Chivalry"

Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi - "A Sufi Study of Hadith"

Seyyed Hossein Nasr - "The Garden of Truth"

Eschatology

Imam Al-Haddad - "The Lives of Man"

Charles Upton (a Muslim convert) - "Legends of the End: Prophecies of the End Times, Antichrist, Apocalypse, and Messiah from Eight Religious Traditions"

Martin Lings (a Muslim convert) - "The Eleventh Hour"

Comparative religion

Huston Smith (for a time practiced Islam) - "The World's Religions"

Reza Aslan - "God: A Human History"

Frithjof Schuon (a Muslim convert) - "Form and Substance in the Religions" (more technical, but also more profound ; this man was one of the last century's very top intellects)

Race&genetics


Thomas Sowell - "Race and Economics"

Philippe Rushton - "Race, Evolution, and Behavior"

Gregory Clark - "A Farewell to Alms"

History (it's a pretty large category)

Jared Diamond - "Guns, Germs, and Steel"

Yuval Noah Harari - "Sapiens"

Richard Tarnas - "The Passion of the Western Mind" (a big book and somehow technical, but if you read this one, you can avoid all other books on Western thought)

Thanks very much. Ive read a few of these but will check the rest out.

 

[InziRules]

You'be stoned to death by the real Christians because the heresy you're proposing here (equating the Trinity with avatars of Hindu gods) is called modalism/Sabellianism, harshly fought by the early Christian authorities (Tertullian, etc).

Since the council of Nicea/325 the key word to describe the Trinity has been "homoousios", which means that all the three persona of the triad are of the same "substance", which isn't the case with the avatar theory (which sounds more like some schools of the monophysitist heresy).

The Trinity is just plain shirk (polytheism) and like all polytheists God make the Christians ridicule themselves through their own theories (who here seriously thinks that Jesus or apostles would have been dwelling into the complex neo-Platonic philosophical developments of the Church Fathers, to explain a dogma which was never explicit from Jesus' own mouth ?)

Disagree. The Trinity is stupid, but they never say there are 3 Gods. The Trinity is the Father, the Son the Holy Spirit.

What this means in practice is that God put his own Spirit into Mary. It's still God. Then God became a human after Jesus was born. Jesus was God. God hung himself on the cross to give the ultimate sacrifice to be able to forgive human sins.

This is mental gymnastics, because why did God need to hang himself to forgive sins when he could just do so...... But that's their faith. It's still One God, just changing forms.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Disagree. The Trinity is stupid, but they never say there are 3 Gods. The Trinity is the Father, the Son the Holy Spirit.

What this means in practice is that God put his own Spirit into Mary. It's still God. Then God became a human after Jesus was born. Jesus was God. God hung himself on the cross to give the ultimate sacrifice to be able to forgive human sins.

This is mental gymnastics, because why did God need to hang himself to forgive sins when he could just do so...... But that's their faith. It's still One God, just changing forms.

Isn't it more likely a case of Christian followers down the ages deifying Jesus Christ PBUH and his family? In Islam we have seen trends in the subcontinent where Mohamad PBUH is also raised up to reverential levels, although that has never really been allowed to get out of hand due to the historical collation of Quranic texts and hadith.

The holy trinity version of Christianity seems to be prevalent in western countries, and you wonder whether if that is down to Anglican translations which might have infused some of their own pagan beliefs, or perhaps Kings who produced new testaments which suited their own purposes better.

 

[enkidu_]

Disagree. The Trinity is stupid, but they never say there are 3 Gods. The Trinity is the Father, the Son the Holy Spirit.

What this means in practice is that God put his own Spirit into Mary. It's still God. Then God became a human after Jesus was born. Jesus was God. God hung himself on the cross to give the ultimate sacrifice to be able to forgive human sins.

This is mental gymnastics, because why did God need to hang himself to forgive sins when he could just do so...... But that's their faith. It's still One God, just changing forms.

If you give to a dog a cat name it won't meow, I have studied Christian theology enough to know that what they do is shirk (polytheism) despite the semantic cosmetics, that is even if they want to stamp it "monotheism", they're like Jews who made the golden calf and called it God - while it has none of His attributes. I hope you get it.

 

[Robert]

Disagree. The Trinity is stupid, but they never say there are 3 Gods. The Trinity is the Father, the Son the Holy Spirit.

What this means in practice is that God put his own Spirit into Mary. It's still God. Then God became a human after Jesus was born. Jesus was God. God hung himself on the cross to give the ultimate sacrifice to be able to forgive human sins.

This is mental gymnastics, because why did God need to hang himself to forgive sins when he could just do so...... But that's their faith. It's still One God, just changing forms.

The idea is that Jehovah had to die as a mortal and take the sin down into Hell, so nobody else had to go.

 

[InziRules]

The idea is that Jehovah had to die as a mortal and take the sin down into Hell, so nobody else had to go.

God is supposed to be omnipotent though

 

[RogerBao]

Below is where Christianity/Judaism believe God spoke & sent prophets to ALL mankind since day of creation.

On the other hand Islam believes God sent messengers to all communities around the world (though it stopped 1400 years ago). Eastern religions espouses similarly.I think this makes more sense though.

This is a big difference between Islam and Christianity/Judaism I think.

 

[Robert]

God is supposed to be omnipotent though

Christianity can be though of as a fusion of Judaism with various dying-and-resurrecting pagan godmen. Attis was a shepherd who died on a tree. Mithras had twelve disciples. There’s a statue from 300 BCE of Mercury showing three women an empty tomb or cave.