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Why did Hindus become Islamophobic?

SherWaqar said:
You are getting mixed up with Zionists and Jews: Zionism is an abhorrent political movement set up to expand the land of Israel..illegally. The hate for them is universal..not just Pakistanis….why can’t Pakistanis hate them? MANY Hindus also hate Muslims…it works both ways.
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So you are saying that Muslims only hate extreme forms of Hindus and Jews (Hindutva and Zionism)? Ok.

By the same benchmark, why can’t you give the benefit of doubt that maybe Hindus also hate extreme radical forms of Islamists and their sympathizers?

We are even then right?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
But you gave a list of ONLY Muslim terrorists, and your list was going back decades, not "current day Jihadis" only.

If you are going to tell blatant lies contradicting your own quotes in the same thread, then continuing the discussion is pointless. You are not here to debate, you are only here to promote hindutva propaganda.
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My list goes back from 1990s to “current era”. Did Pehelgam, Uri, Bondi beach, 26/11 etc type incidents happen in the 1500s?
 
Local.Dada said:
So you are saying that Muslims only hate extreme forms of Hindus and Jews (Hindutva and Zionism)? Ok.

By the same benchmark, why can’t you give the benefit of doubt that maybe Hindus also hate extreme radical forms of Islamists and their sympathizers?

We are even then right?
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For your consideration, exhibit A, Post #239 of this thread. I am going to guess the next thing you will say is that the poster is a bigot and not representative of the entire Hindu community or posters on this forum?

Actually I will believe you if you say that. I happen to know quite a few decent hindus in real life whom I call friends. However, the stark hypocrisy of such posters as @rpant_gabba on this forum cannot be ignored. He claims to be an athiest but brings a sweeping negative stereotyping of Muslims here. It is a sad situation. I see a lot of Hindu posters use the benefit of anonymity to expose their true bigotry here.

For some Pakistanis, this forum is the only exposure to Hindus. How does that makes them feel about Hindus, I guess I dont have to explain that to you. Hence the topic of this thread.
 
SherWaqar said:
You are getting mixed up with Zionists and Jews: Zionism is an abhorrent political movement set up to expand the land of Israel..illegally. The hate for them is universal..not just Pakistanis….why can’t Pakistanis hate them? MANY Hindus also hate Muslims…it works both ways.
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You can say it a thousand times, but it’s not going to change anything. When people are set on justifying their hatred, they’ll hold onto whatever narrative helps them do that, even if it means pretending Muslims hate every Hindu.

The reality is, Muslims on this forum have said it over and over again, the criticism is directed at Hindutva, the bigoted, extremist ideology, not at Hindus as a whole. But that distinction keeps getting ignored, because it’s easier to generalize than to actually listen.
 
Stewie said:
For your consideration, exhibit A, Post #239 of this thread. I am going to guess the next thing you will say is that the poster is a bigot and not representative of the entire Hindu community or posters on this forum?

Actually I will believe you if you say that. I happen to know quite a few decent hindus in real life whom I call friends. However, the stark hypocrisy of such posters as @rpant_gabba on this forum cannot be ignored. He claims to be an athiest but brings a sweeping negative stereotyping of Muslims here. It is a sad situation. I see a lot of Hindu posters use the benefit of anonymity to expose their true bigotry here.

For some Pakistanis, this forum is the only exposure to Hindus. How does that makes them feel about Hindus, I guess I dont have to explain that to you. Hence the topic of this thread.
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If you go back and read the OP, it is pretty clear that this is a genuine question. The Hindus I knew growing up were generally pretty easy going and forward looking, but since the age of the internet we have been exposed to a surprisingly well organised campaign of misinformation and hatred which seems to be spearheaded by mostly Hindus. That too, specifically Indian Hindus, since we don't see the same hostility from Sri Lankans for example.

That is why a genuine reflection on historical reasons for this would be enlightening.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If you go back and read the OP, it is pretty clear that this is a genuine question. The Hindus I knew growing up were generally pretty easy going and forward looking, but since the age of the internet we have been exposed to a surprisingly well organised campaign of misinformation and hatred which seems to be spearheaded by mostly Hindus. That too, specifically Indian Hindus, since we don't see the same hostility from Sri Lankans for example.

That is why a genuine reflection on historical reasons for this would be enlightening.
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I do believe that the anonymity factor of the internet does bring out the worst of people, and sometimes the truest nature of people. I also think that Hindus who have been settled in foreign lands and have built relations with Muslims there for years are a different breed compared to those living in India or those who have recently moved out India, because they still carry the burden of their bigotry.

The rise of Hindutva ideology in the last 10-15 years is really to blame. I did not see this issue as a college student back in the 90s.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If you go back and read the OP, it is pretty clear that this is a genuine question. The Hindus I knew growing up were generally pretty easy going and forward looking, but since the age of the internet we have been exposed to a surprisingly well organised campaign of misinformation and hatred which seems to be spearheaded by mostly Hindus. That too, specifically Indian Hindus, since we don't see the same hostility from Sri Lankans for example.

That is why a genuine reflection on historical reasons for this would be enlightening.
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I gave you the “historical reasons”. In fact recent historical reasons. My filter was from 90s assuming most posters here would be familiar since that decade. You didn’t like them 🤷‍♂️

Also you are mistaken, the terrorist list I gave you is just a universal designated list by various groups that matter like US, EU, UK, UN etc. I didn’t filter it out by any religion. There are some communist groups too.
 
Stewie said:
I do believe that the anonymity factor of the internet does bring out the worst of people, and sometimes the truest nature of people. I also think that Hindus who have been settled in foreign lands and have built relations with Muslims there for years are a different breed compared to those living in India or those who have recently moved out India, because they still carry the burden of their bigotry.

The rise of Hindutva ideology in the last 10-15 years is really to blame. I did not see this issue as a college student back in the 90s.
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Ah I see. That concerns you but not the rise of ISIS, Taliban. JEM, LET etc. etc etc because of course it’s someone else’s fault. Good to know 👍
 
Local.Dada said:
Ah I see. That concerns you but not the rise of ISIS, Taliban. JEM, LET etc. because of course it’s someone else’s fault. Good to know 👍
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It all concerns us. If you create a thread about those concerns I will gladly contribute there. Let us not run on assumptions now.

Why would I not be concerned about the extremism when it kills and affects Pakistanis a whole lot more than it does you guys? I laugh at the irony of it at times. We have paid a much higher price in blood for that evil than you guys have. So quite frankly one should be extremely offended at your views on that. Our people fight that crap everyday and shed blood while you simply read about it on papers and whine about it on internt forums.
 
Stewie said:
It all concerns us. If you create a thread about those concerns I will gladly contribute there. Let us not run on assumptions now.

Why would I not be concerned about the extremism when it kills and affects Pakistanis a whole lot more than it does you guys? I laugh at the irony of it at times. We have paid a much higher price in blood for that evil than you guys have. So quite frankly one should be extremely offended at your views on that. Our people fight that crap everyday and shed blood while you simply read about it on papers and whine about it on internt forums.
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good point. That seems to me like more Muslim terror groups are killing innocent Pakistanis. Are the BLA, Taliban, TTP etc Hindus? you are barking at the wrong tree then.
 
Local.Dada said:
good point. That seems to me like more Muslim terror groups are killing innocent Pakistanis. Are the BLA, Taliban, TTP etc Hindus? you are barking at the wrong tree then.
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Thank you for at least admitting its a good point, unfortunately i cannot say the same about yours?

Is it a rule of some sort for Indians you can only worry about one evil at a time. If you worry about two or even mention more than one, what happens? Do you turn to stone?
 
Stewie said:
Thank you for at least admitting its a good point, unfortunately i cannot say the same about yours?

Is it a rule of some sort for Indians you can only worry about one evil at a time. If you worry about two or even mention more than one, what happens? Do you turn to stone?
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Because the 2 problems are not even comparable. I don’t see any Hindu terrorists bombing any Muslim countries. In fact from what I see we only seem to have stellar relationships even with the most extreme Islamist regimes including Saudi, Afghanistan and Iran.
 
Local.Dada said:
Because the 2 problems are not even comparable. I don’t see any Hindu terrorists bombing any Muslim countries. In fact from what I see we only seem to have stellar relationships even with the most extreme Islamist regimes including Saudi, Afghanistan and Iran.
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You are correct, Hindutva movement is only focusing on eradicating and upending the existing dynamic of Muslims in India, not outside. Those are two completely different issues. So why are ISIS and Al Qaeda even brought up in these debates regarding the evils of Hindutva with Indians is my question. You just did that yourself three posts ago.
 
Stewie said:
You are correct, Hindutva movement is only focusing on eradicating and upending the existing dynamic of Muslims in India, not outside. Those are two completely different issues. So why are ISIS and Al Qaeda even brought up in these debates regarding the evils of Hindutva with Indians is my question. You just did that yourself three posts ago.
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Any numbers to back that claim? Last time I checked you told me there are more Muslims in India than Pak, that wasn’t the case in 1947. That’s not how genocide works.

Also just for records- Muslims have had a population growth spurt in Gujarat where they apparently got “genocided”

However what about the numbers of Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir valley pre and post 1990? That according to you doesn’t qualify as genocide right?

India is a diverse country and has many social issues. It’s not a new thing that came up in 2014, it was always there. However we just keep moving along. That’s been the case since 1947 or even before .

How come you guys overlook stats and data and focus on rhetoric?

Also as you said, Muslim terrorists are killing Pakistanis not Hindu terrorists. Let us worry about our Indian Muslims. None of your business. In fact you should be concerned about Pakistani Hindus and Xtians as I am assuming they qualify to be your people (if you consider them that way). Sure if Indian Muslims ever reach out to Pak, feel free to give them refugee status. Let us see how many want that outreach program lol.
 
Local.Dada said:
Any numbers to back that claim? Last time I checked you told me there are more Muslims in India than Pak, that wasn’t the case in 1947. That’s not how genocide works.

Also just for records- Muslims have had a population growth spurt in Gujarat where they apparently got “genocided”

However what about the numbers of Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir valley pre and post 1990? That according to you doesn’t qualify as genocide right?

India is a diverse country and has many social issues. It’s not a new thing that came up in 2014, it was always there. However we just keep moving along. That’s been the case since 1947 or even before .

How come you guys overlook stats and data and focus on rhetoric?

Also as you said, Muslim terrorists are killing Pakistanis not Hindu terrorists. Let us worry about our Indian Muslims. None of your business. In fact you should be concerned about Pakistani Hindus and Xtians as I am assuming they qualify to be your people (if you consider them that way). Sure if Indian Muslims ever reach out to Pak, feel free to give them refugee status. Let us see how many want that outreach program lol.
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So you would need actual numbers before you can start worrying about or even talking about the problem? Is that what you are trying to say? Does there need to be a massive genocide or acts of terror to happen first before a problem can be indentified? I have shared multiple neutral citations from world insitutions on the problem but apparently that is also not good enough that there is IN FACT a problem in India.

Can non Indians not even mention it? Who gave the Indians the right to even tell anyone they cant worry about it? Just because you guys use similar tactics to treat muslims at home, you think it will work on non Indian muslims? We are free to criticize or discuss whatever, or whomever we want. We are not dictated by whatever is the latest directive coming down form your Hindutva leadership.

Last but not least, in case we are all forgetting, I think it might be worth mentioning this is a Pakistani forum, so it is amusing an Indian hindu will come here telling us what we can or cannot talk about.

Funny!
 
globetrotter said:
1st you ppls should give answer whether muslim nations have unity amongst them?
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Afghan friends with India be it democratic govt or Taliban

Middle East a strong partner for India be it Saudi, UAE, Oman, Qatar

Iran despite a war situation allows Indian ships due to a stellar relationship over the years.

Egypt- never had an issue with India. Again stellar relation ship.

Now yes Turkey has had recent issues with India but that’s also because India has reached out to Greece and Cyprus as Turkey supported Pak on Kashmir issue.

Only some random Pakistani or Bangladeshi thinks India is against Muslims and starts rage baiting.

I can name 5 Indian Muslims of higher stature for every 1 Pakistani Muslim from the same field, be it sports, science , business or arts.
 
Also answer .....

When non Muslim country (Israel) killed Muslims(Palestine), then there vigorous reaction from Muslim countries and there will demonstration by muslims all around the world....

Whereas whem Muslim Country (Pakistan) killed muslims of another country (Afghanistan) then all keep quite. No condemnation, no demonstration by muslims.

Why such hypocrisy exist in Muslim world?
 
Stewie said:
You are correct, Hindutva movement is only focusing on eradicating and upending the existing dynamic of Muslims in India, not outside.
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So far what is the worst unprovoked violence that YOU hold the Hindutva responsibile for in India ? What is approx death toll and how many suicide bombers , how many genocides, how many car bombs, how many instances of lets-strip-and-check-if-circumcised-before-killing etc etc etc?

Stewie said:
Those are two completely different issues. So why are ISIS and Al Qaeda even brought up in these debates regarding the evils of Hindutva with Indians is my question. You just did that yourself three posts ago.
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Because of the question that is posed right in the title of this thread. oh wait according to you Muslims are perhaps the most innocent people who never hurt a fly fired a shot in anger :rolleyes:
 
uppercut said:
So far what is the worst unprovoked violence that YOU hold the Hindutva responsibile for in India ? What is approx death toll and how many suicide bombers , how many genocides, how many car bombs, how many instances of lets-strip-and-check-if-circumcised-before-killing etc etc etc?



Because of the question that is posed right in the title of this thread. oh wait according to you Muslims are perhaps the most innocent people who never hurt a fly fired a shot in anger :rolleyes:
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Thats easy, you could have googled it yourself:
  • 1992-1993 Mumbai/All-India Riots: Following the destruction of the Babri Mosque, widespread violence occurred. Estimates of Muslim deaths in Mumbai alone range up to 900, with many killed by police and mobs.
  • 2002 Gujarat Riots: Following the burning of a train in Godhra, state-wide violence targeted Muslims. Official estimates are over 1,000, while independent reports estimate closer to 2,000 deaths.
  • 2013 Muzaffarnagar Riots: Clashes in Uttar Pradesh resulted in over 60 deaths, mostly Muslims, and displaced thousands.
  • 2020 Delhi Riots: Communal violence in Northeast Delhi, often targeting Muslim businesses and homes, left over 40 dead.
  • Cow Vigilantism & Hate Crimes: A 2019 report noted that at least 44 people, mostly Muslims, were killed by cow protection groups between 2015 and 2018. Another source states 90% of religion-based hate crimes between 2009 and 2019 occurred after 2014.


Now let us look at deaths caused by Muslim extremist groups:

  • 2025 Developments: An Islamist terrorist attack on tourists near Pahalgam in Jammu and Kashmir on April 22, 2025, resulted in 26 civilian deaths, according to reports. The Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) proxy, The Resistance Front (TRF), was initially linked to the attack.
  • Recent Years (2022-2024): In 2022, terrorism-related incidents in Jammu & Kashmir resulted in 152 deaths, including 97 alleged terrorists, 30 security personnel, and 14 civilians, while in 2023, there were 117 deaths in J&K.
  • Historically: Data from 2005 to July 2016 indicated over 707 lives were lost in various terror strikes across India. Major attacks included the 2008 Mumbai attacks (166 fatalities) and various bombings blamed on groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), and Hizbul Mujahideen.


Conclusion: Hindutva exrtemists have caused more Muslims deaths in India than a radical Muslim outfit. Even Gujarat riots that did not include as such a terrorist Islamic outfit and mostly they were just local Muslims, the death toll was something like Hindus 254, Muslims 790.
 
Stewie said:
Thats easy, you could have googled it yourself:
  • 1992-1993 Mumbai/All-India Riots: Following the destruction of the Babri Mosque, widespread violence occurred. Estimates of Muslim deaths in Mumbai alone range up to 900, with many killed by police and mobs.
  • 2002 Gujarat Riots: Following the burning of a train in Godhra, state-wide violence targeted Muslims. Official estimates are over 1,000, while independent reports estimate closer to 2,000 deaths.
  • 2013 Muzaffarnagar Riots: Clashes in Uttar Pradesh resulted in over 60 deaths, mostly Muslims, and displaced thousands.
  • 2020 Delhi Riots: Communal violence in Northeast Delhi, often targeting Muslim businesses and homes, left over 40 dead.
  • Cow Vigilantism & Hate Crimes: A 2019 report noted that at least 44 people, mostly Muslims, were killed by cow protection groups between 2015 and 2018. Another source states 90% of religion-based hate crimes between 2009 and 2019 occurred after 2014.


Now let us look at deaths caused by Muslim extremist groups:

  • 2025 Developments: An Islamist terrorist attack on tourists near Pahalgam in Jammu and Kashmir on April 22, 2025, resulted in 26 civilian deaths, according to reports. The Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) proxy, The Resistance Front (TRF), was initially linked to the attack.
  • Recent Years (2022-2024): In 2022, terrorism-related incidents in Jammu & Kashmir resulted in 152 deaths, including 97 alleged terrorists, 30 security personnel, and 14 civilians, while in 2023, there were 117 deaths in J&K.
  • Historically: Data from 2005 to July 2016 indicated over 707 lives were lost in various terror strikes across India. Major attacks included the 2008 Mumbai attacks (166 fatalities) and various bombings blamed on groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), and Hizbul Mujahideen.


Conclusion: Hindutva exrtemists have caused more Muslims deaths in India than a radical Muslim outfit. Even Gujarat riots that did not include as such a terrorist Islamic outfit and mostly they were just local Muslims, the death toll was something like Hindus 254, Muslims 790.
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Bro, what have you done? Now these Modites will claim that it is false info, it was Muslim terrorists that started it, and all innocent Hindu activists were cleared by Indian courts etc.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Bro, what have you done? Now these Modites will claim that it is false info, it was Muslim terrorists that started it, and all innocent Hindu activists were cleared by Indian courts etc.
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They will shamelessly challenge the veracity of these stats independently confirmed and verified. I know thats their schtick.

Or they will claim "you started it".

Of course, we have all seen it before.
 
Justcrazy said:
Do you know what hajj subsidy exactly is and what does it cover ?
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As per indian gov site,

.https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2071944&reg=3&lang=2

The Haj subsidy, which aimed to offset travel costs for pilgrims from India to Saudi Arabia, increased from Rs. 10.51 crore in 1994 to Rs. 836.56 crore in 2012-13. However, the subsidy was gradually reduced and completely abolished for Haj 2018.


As per al Jazeera,

www.aljazeera.com

India ends government subsidies for Hajj pilgrimage

Originally subsidies for Hajj helped poorer sections of the community go on the pilgrimage many could not afford.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com


Air India was getting the subsidy’
Starting in 1954, the Indian government has for decades offered subsidies amounting to billions of rupees to poor Muslims wanting to perform Hajj. In 2016, the sum was about $75m, down from about $100m in 2013, according to official data.
 
Justcrazy said:
I will go through your article and verses quoted there on the weekend. Because you made a academic reply and that is appreciated. I do not want to comment without reading .
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Sure ... pls note the sacred texts are just one part of it. You can also see that in practice in India where for example cows are walked thru the house during house warming ceremonies in India and many religious events involve cows.

Justcrazy said:
Now the second part of your comment where you compared an animal with the Quran and prophet is not valid. Quran is a religious book of Muslims , it can be compared with Gita. ( Though my view would be Vedas) .

Prophet being a human can be compared to Ram , if that was the case I would agree with you 100 % .
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Its actually the other way round. The stature of a Cow is literally equal to that of God in Hinduism .. which is why we worship them unlike say a pig which is actually reviled in your religion yet most Islamic countries actually ban pork.


Justcrazy said:
Beef is consumed throughout the world and also in India by a lot of people. It's not a new phenomena.
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Abortion is Legal in numerous parts of the world including some states within the US itself.... doesn't mean that some states in the US cannot have laws banning abortion. Similarly wearing Burqa is not normal for most women in the world. Doesn't mean that Muslims have to abandon that practice (and I could go on and one with such contradictions from practically every religion) These are religious beliefs you cannot subject them to a logic test.
 
Stewie said:
Thats easy, you could have googled it yourself:
  • 1992-1993 Mumbai/All-India Riots: Following the destruction of the Babri Mosque, widespread violence occurred. Estimates of Muslim deaths in Mumbai alone range up to 900, with many killed by police and mobs.
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Sure lets go thru each one of the incidents you listed. So first the 1992-1993 riots. What was the root cause for that incident according to you ?
 
Local.Dada said:
Nah! Everyone can see who got triggered. You went to the corners of the internt and found a random tweet to try and give some relief to your pals.
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I live in India, I don't have to go digging into corners to find stuff like this. But it's interesting how triggered you got even though I shared it without tagging you.
 
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