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"It is possible that India are afraid of playing us" : Sarfaraz Ahmed

As I have said many times before, Pakistan is getting a lucky escape by not playing test cricket with India. I expect us to beat Pak in red ball cricket anywhere on planet earth.

LOIs will have closer contest though.
 
As I have said many times before, Pakistan is getting a lucky escape by not playing test cricket with India. I expect us to beat Pak in red ball cricket anywhere on planet earth.

LOIs will have closer contest though.

There is no contest in any format. The best that we can do is to win an ODI or a T20 here and there when India have their off-days.
 
As I have said many times before, Pakistan is getting a lucky escape by not playing test cricket with India. I expect us to beat Pak in red ball cricket anywhere on planet earth.

LOIs will have closer contest though.

I doubt we can beat them in England. That place has been a nightmare for India in terms of test tours , CT 17 etc. And Pakistan suddenly look like a million dollars over there. Apart from that, we should thrash them anywhere in tests.
 
I doubt we can beat them in England. That place has been a nightmare for India in terms of test tours , CT 17 etc. And Pakistan suddenly look like a million dollars over there. Apart from that, we should thrash them anywhere in tests.

India also thrashed Pak in England during CT 2017 and 2013. Also WC 1999.
 
2011 onwards we have been terrible bar that Ct 2013 . PAK have had great success in England since 2016. I don't back us to beat them in England.

2011 onwards Indias record in Eng is very good. Won the 2013 CT and reached the final of 2017 CT. Won bilateral series against Eng in 2014. If it is against Pakistan, then the record is 2-1 in favour of India. I agree Pak is always dangerous in Eng, but it is not that one sided against India as you are portraying it to be. I am talking about Ind v Pak. Obviously extrapolating it to tests is not ideal, but still.
 
This is a big one here. It's about ego, because the Pakistan captain made that statement.

Pakistan played a 5 match ODI series in New Zealand last year and got white washed. India is currently playing a 5 match ODI series in New Zealand and is up by 2-0.

Let's see how the current series ends up.
 
This is a big one here. It's about ego, because the Pakistan captain made that statement.

Pakistan played a 5 match ODI series in New Zealand last year and got white washed. India is currently playing a 5 match ODI series in New Zealand and is up by 2-0.

Let's see how the current series ends up.

What are the differences in these two NZ teams? Let the excuses start.
 
For starters Pakistan played without a full strength squad minus Shaheen and Imam

Shaheen didn't even make his odi debut back then. Imam??? Really??? That desparate???
Anyways, Hafeez played as the opener and did well , so doesn't really matter...
 
Come on man ! Kohli and Bumrah to imam and Shaheen? He's obviously sulking.

It's all in good humor. Koi dushmani nahin, bhai!

If cricketers themselves can remain friends after sledging the hell out of each other, why can we fans have a little chat?
 
This is a big one here. It's about ego, because the Pakistan captain made that statement.

Pakistan played a 5 match ODI series in New Zealand last year and got white washed. India is currently playing a 5 match ODI series in New Zealand and is up by 2-0.

Let's see how the current series ends up.

Actually pakistan was as worse as india last time tour nz where the same india team (top 3 batsmen +dhoni+kumar+shami) lost 4-0 in odis in nz #just saying
 
It's all in good humor. Koi dushmani nahin, bhai!

If cricketers themselves can remain friends after sledging the hell out of each other, why can we fans have a little chat?

This arrogance will fully be repaid in full in World Cup. Allways remember the humble pie you received during cT2017. India had no answer for Fakhar and Aamir. Now picture a team that is rebuilding since then with newer players that India hasn’t faced since then. It’s going to be a slaughter especially with India carrying old man Dhoni. Dinesh fat boy and past it’s prim Jadhav. All it would take is to remove the top 3 which isn’t impossible and India will crumble after that.Thats all most teams including Pakistan has to plan for.
 
This arrogance will fully be repaid in full in World Cup. Allways remember the humble pie you received during cT2017. India had no answer for Fakhar and Aamir. Now picture a team that is rebuilding since then with newer players that India hasn’t faced since then. It’s going to be a slaughter especially with India carrying old man Dhoni. Dinesh fat boy and past it’s prim Jadhav. All it would take is to remove the top 3 which isn’t impossible and India will crumble after that.Thats all most teams including Pakistan has to plan for.

What answer Pakistan had in the Asia Cup? Worry about the fortunes of the Pakistan team who are struggling against a depleted South African Team. India were hammering the daylights out of Saffers and it was AB Devillier who managed to get them a consolation single won...
 
This arrogance will fully be repaid in full in World Cup. Allways remember the humble pie you received during cT2017. India had no answer for Fakhar and Aamir. Now picture a team that is rebuilding since then with newer players that India hasn’t faced since then. It’s going to be a slaughter especially with India carrying old man Dhoni. Dinesh fat boy and past it’s prim Jadhav. All it would take is to remove the top 3 which isn’t impossible and India will crumble after that.Thats all most teams including Pakistan has to plan for.

India has faced the newer players Shaheen and Imam in UAE. Don't forget those two games
 
This arrogance will fully be repaid in full in World Cup. Allways remember the humble pie you received during cT2017. India had no answer for Fakhar and Aamir. Now picture a team that is rebuilding since then with newer players that India hasn’t faced since then. It’s going to be a slaughter especially with India carrying old man Dhoni. Dinesh fat boy and past it’s prim Jadhav. All it would take is to remove the top 3 which isn’t impossible and India will crumble after that.Thats all most teams including Pakistan has to plan for.

Can't speak about my fellow Indian posters, all I do is speak for myself. I'm a practical person who lives in reality. Nor am I embarrassed about accepting facts. I've accepted multiple times before that the CT final defeat still hurts me. It'll always hurt me just like the Chennai Test back in 1999 continues to hurt me till this day. Nor am I fond of making excuses for my team's defeat.

If Pakistan defeats India, it'll be because Pakistan will be a better team on that day. And trust me, unlike you I won't prepare a list of excuses for our defeat.
 
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4-0 is better than 5-0 in my opinion.

Na the point was even best in the bussiness (indian batsmen)struggle with first tour to nz .so comparing india with pakistan currently is no fair .one is well established with world class players while the latter is still finding right combination and less experience
 
Na the point was even best in the bussiness (indian batsmen)struggle with first tour to nz .so comparing india with pakistan currently is no fair .one is well established with world class players while the latter is still finding right combination and less experience

Fair enough.
 
Actually pakistan was as worse as india last time tour nz where the same india team (top 3 batsmen +dhoni+kumar+shami) lost 4-0 in odis in nz #just saying

So you're bringing up a series that took place in Jan, 2014 ..... merely 4 years ago?
 
So you're bringing up a series that took place in Jan, 2014 ..... merely 4 years ago?

He is the same guy who arguing with me for bringing WT20 2016 saying its 2 years ago and Pak is a different t20 team now. But somehow India's tour of 2014 in NZ still holds true :)
 
He is the same guy who arguing with me for bringing WT20 2016 saying its 2 years ago and Pak is a different t20 team now. But somehow India's tour of 2014 in NZ still holds true :)

What's funny is that Pak posters are taking offense at some of our posts. Why are we even posting in this thread? It's because the Pak captain said something that's laughable.

I guess you remember Pak in the early 90's cancelled a couple of ODI series against India for reasons best known to them? Imagine if the Indian captain back said the same thing, what the reaction would have been among Pak fans?
 
He is the same guy who arguing with me for bringing WT20 2016 saying its 2 years ago and Pak is a different t20 team now. But somehow India's tour of 2014 in NZ still holds true :)

You mean your team is different from 2014 ?top 3 is still same dhoni,jadeja,b,kumar,shami is still part of current team so you would have point if you have 8 to 9 new faces in current odi team .just like pakistan have in current t20 team
 
What's funny is that Pak posters are taking offense at some of our posts. Why are we even posting in this thread? It's because the Pak captain said something that's laughable.

I guess you remember Pak in the early 90's cancelled a couple of ODI series against India for reasons best known to them? Imagine if the Indian captain back said the same thing, what the reaction would have been among Pak fans?

Not all but few are burning like coal for sure. Asia cup, India's win in Aust etc has prompted few posters to became irrational here and gave them a severe mental scare. You need to read few posts in "if SL will be 2nd Asian team to win in Aust" thread. The way logic has been punchured to downplay India's test series win in Aust is hilarious.

We have heard so many times in this forum that beating NZ in NZ is extremely difficult and if India tours they will also get whitewashed like Pak. Now that India has won both the 1st ODIs, people are dragging 2014 series :))

Never understood why it is so difficult to just give credit where its due?
 
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You mean your team is different from 2014 ?top 3 is still same dhoni,jadeja,b,kumar,shami is still part of current team so you would have point if you have 8 to 9 new faces in current odi team .just like pakistan have in current t20 team

So Indian players were of the same caliber back then as they are now? Here, read it -

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/india-slip-to-7th-in-icc-test-rankings-1502175


That was in April, 2015. We dropped to #7 in Test rankings back then. We have been the #1 team for a good amount of time now. How exactly was that Indian team in April, 2015 different from our team since we have been ruling the rankings?
 
What's funny is that Pak posters are taking offense at some of our posts. Why are we even posting in this thread? It's because the Pak captain said something that's laughable.

I guess you remember Pak in the early 90's cancelled a couple of ODI series against India for reasons best known to them? Imagine if the Indian captain back said the same thing, what the reaction would have been among Pak fans?

Clearly its seems i have hit a nerve .Where did i have defend sarfraz remarks.My point was about nz series which you were chest pumping and arll deliberately ignoring. let me repeat your same team(core of the team)lost a odi series when they first visit nz so same thing happen with pakistan who are still young and inexperience.
 
Clearly its seems i have hit a nerve .Where did i have defend sarfraz remarks.My point was about nz series which you were chest pumping and arll deliberately ignoring. let me repeat your same team(core of the team)lost a odi series when they first visit nz so same thing happen with pakistan who are still young and inexperience.

Since you are too thick to understand things, and keep repeating that the same core of Indian players as now played in that ODI series in NZ back in Jan, 2014, despite me explaining in details ..... you assume that player's ability remain the same with time.

Now you'll obviously say here that we are speaking of ODI cricket, not Tests. But what I'm going to post in going to prove my point here, although it's about both Tests and ODI's. Steve Smith has been hailed with accolades before what he did. Let's look how good he was in both in Tests and ODI's by the end of 2013 -

In Tests: Innings - 31; Ave - 34.64; 100's - 2, 50's -5

In ODI's: Innings - 34; Ave - 31.72; 100' - 2, 50's - 3


That is how players improve with time. As for for your players being young an inexperienced, if you want to use that an excuse, go ahead. People care about results. Much like our team weren't given any concession for going through transition back in 2013/2014.
 
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Since you are too thick to understand things, and keep repeating that the same core of Indian players as now played in that ODI series in NZ back in Jan, 2014, despite me explaining in details ..... you assume that player's ability remain the same with time.

Now you'll obviously say here that we are speaking of ODI cricket, not Tests. But what I'm going to post in going to prove my point here, although it's about both Tests and ODI's. Steve Smith has been hailed with accolades before what he did. Let's look how good he was in both in Tests and ODI's by the end of 2013 -




That is how players improve with time. As for for your players being young an inexperienced, if you want to use that an excuse, go ahead. People care about results. Much like our team weren't given any concession for going through transition back in 2013/2014.

Clearly you are the one who are not understanding my point [MENTION=146270]WengerOut[/MENTION] was quick to pick .
 
Lol at the 2014 ODIs when we just won the first two of this series (more ODIs won in a single tour than Pak in their last three tours of NZ)

Pakistan are getting beaten in SA in ODIs, same place we won 5-1 last year.
India are 2-0 in NZ, same place where Pakistan were whitewashed 0-5.
 
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After Sarfraz's episode with Andile where he acknowledged that he didn't even know what he was saying to and he never meant it, I think his comments about playing India should be taken in the same spirit.
Of course he didn't mean it and said that in jest so all is forgiven.

While snak3eyes is so pumped about out our fluke CT win, he should then also cheer our team for winning the 1987 Bangalore test and the 5-test series led by the great Imran Khan :)
 
Na the point was even best in the bussiness (indian batsmen)struggle with first tour to nz .so comparing india with pakistan currently is no fair .one is well established with world class players while the latter is still finding right combination and less experience

Good point. NZ is a rough place to tour. This Indian team is just on another level. The games aren't even close between No.2 and No.3 at No.3's home.
 
This arrogance will fully be repaid in full in World Cup. Allways remember the humble pie you received during cT2017. India had no answer for Fakhar and Aamir. Now picture a team that is rebuilding since then with newer players that India hasn’t faced since then. It’s going to be a slaughter especially with India carrying old man Dhoni. Dinesh fat boy and past it’s prim Jadhav. All it would take is to remove the top 3 which isn’t impossible and India will crumble after that.Thats all most teams including Pakistan has to plan for.

That past his prime Jadhav has more shots in his arsenal than you entire xi combined. Hack Fakhar and trundler Amir will never catch us off-guard ever again.
 
Na the point was even best in the bussiness (indian batsmen)struggle with first tour to nz .so comparing india with pakistan currently is no fair .one is well established with world class players while the latter is still finding right combination and less experience

India lost that series not because of their batsmen but the bowlers! 4 out 5 of matches would have gone either way.
 
This arrogance will fully be repaid in full in World Cup. Allways remember the humble pie you received during cT2017. India had no answer for Fakhar and Aamir. Now picture a team that is rebuilding since then with newer players that India hasn’t faced since then. It’s going to be a slaughter especially with India carrying old man Dhoni. Dinesh fat boy and past it’s prim Jadhav. All it would take is to remove the top 3 which isn’t impossible and India will crumble after that.Thats all most teams including Pakistan has to plan for.

Oh my. Call me sour or whatever you want, but that CT2017 win has done more harm than good for the Pakistan team in all the formats. Yes , it might have given a great joy of beating your arch rival in an ICC final, but in hindsight, it has destroyed Pakistan's chances at the bigger stages .

For a start, it has allowed a top tier hack Fakhar Zaman to not only settle into the odi side for the WC, but also made him open in test cricket in South Africa of all places. Now think about that for a sec .

Moreover, it has made an ordinary bowler like Amir look like Wasim Akram and made him an automatic selection until the Asia cup (where he was rightly made to look like a club level bowler) . And now he's back in the odi setup and might go to England as well with an odi average of 100+ in the last one year.

Finally, it has made Sarfraz Ahmed, who won't even make a Ranji team on merit as the captain of your world cup team ,irrespective of all his failures against the top teams in the formats that actually matter.

And if you think that this team , which is getting beaten up by the SAF team, by the way whom India smashed 5-1 last year, is gonna "slaughter" India at the world cup , then get ready for a few heartbreaks.
There is staying in the reality , then there is being optimistic and then there is just pure delusion. And sadly, you come under the latter.
 
That's 3-0 for India, 2 more matches to go.

Same conditions, same New Zealand squad that Pakistan faced in 2018.
 
India and Pakistan will meet in the world cup in the group stages. Let us see who wins. No matter who wins, that will be the only meeting of the two teams in the world cup. I do not expect both of them to qualify for the knock out stage.
 
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] I know you have been a good poster and we know India is miles ahead , Pak at max can compete with India if we get our a went acts right but at present India has surpassed everyone specifically after CT when they went for Chahal and Kuldeep.Indian CT 2017 team was an inferior one i believe better than Pakistan.Personally if I am an Indian fan then i will burst int tears if India can,t manage to win this WC.
 
Whenever India had a bad loss in an ODI tournament, it was invariably followed by some serious overhauling of players followed by some world cup wins. 2007 WC humiliation was followed by T20 WC win in 2007, ODI world cup win in 2011 and CT2013 win as well.

After this CT17 loss, India has overhauled its bowling strategy totally. Ashwin has been permanently discarded from ODI. Two wrist spinners have been inducted now. They have bamboozled all batting lines up that India have faced since then, including the CT17 winning Pakistan as well.

So, it can be said that the CT17 loss has helped India discard some deadwood and inject some new blood. India in 2019 is stronger than they were in 2017. I do not think that CT17 loss will affect India when they play Pakistan in world cup. It will be just another match for them.
 
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] I know you have been a good poster and we know India is miles ahead , Pak at max can compete with India if we get our a went acts right but at present India has surpassed everyone specifically after CT when they went for Chahal and Kuldeep.Indian CT 2017 team was an inferior one i believe better than Pakistan.Personally if I am an Indian fan then i will burst int tears if India can,t manage to win this WC.

Nahin, Bhai. Just because we are arch rivals doesn't mean we necessarily have to hate each other. At least I certainly don't. But competing with each other isn't bad at all. We don't play each other, thanks to the BCCI, so it's obvious we'll have to compare the results of our teams against other teams.

I'm bloody sick of the BCCI's policy of not playing Pakistan.
 
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] I know you have been a good poster and we know India is miles ahead , Pak at max can compete with India if we get our a went acts right but at present India has surpassed everyone specifically after CT when they went for Chahal and Kuldeep.Indian CT 2017 team was an inferior one i believe better than Pakistan.Personally if I am an Indian fan then i will burst int tears if India can,t manage to win this WC.

India might win a lot of matches during World Cup. However asking them to go all the way is going to be tricky since they carry folks who are way past their prime and are going to be hindering them from winning. You can’t win by carrying old man Dhoni, Kedar fat boy and once in a blue moon Dinesh. I predict England and Australia final.
 
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] I know you have been a good poster and we know India is miles ahead , Pak at max can compete with India if we get our a went acts right but at present India has surpassed everyone specifically after CT when they went for Chahal and Kuldeep.Indian CT 2017 team was an inferior one i believe better than Pakistan.Personally if I am an Indian fan then i will burst int tears if India can,t manage to win this WC.

We don't have enough power to win. At max I can hope that we will reach semi. But the weakness will be exploited by other teams. This team, has huge weak point. Only thing is, top order is shielding those. Once they are out, it will be nothing but a collapse.
 
West Indies aren't even scared of us. These comments will come back to haunt him.
 
LOL. Nice bump.

Sarfraz should learn to slow down when talking, that way he will have less time to make stupid comments.
 
Oh Sarfraz.

His press conference today settles his final thoughts.
 
The only people who should be afraid are the ones who support a team that you captain. Embarrassing statements as always.
 
This defeat and Asia cup will settle some sense in PCB, who was keen with serious against India. India is way ahead of ourselves and doesn't need to play Pakistan in series to prove a point.
 
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