"It will take time before PSL gives us players like Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma" : Waqar Younis

[#GreenRoars]

"It will take time before PSL gives us players like Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma" : Waqar Younis

Pakistan head coach Waqar Younis has cautioned his countrymen not to expect the Pakistan Super League to immediately churn out players of the class of Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma, like the Indian Premier League has done for the game in the neighbouring country.

“I think we shouldn’t keep our expectations high from the PSL in its first year. It will take time say three to four years before we can expect this league to also give us the Virat Kohlis or Rohit Sharma’s like the IPL did for India,” he said on Saturday from Sydney.

Waqar said obviously expectations were high that the PSL would help Pakistan cricket produce some outstanding talent like the IPL had done for the Indian team.

“But we need to be patient and give it atleast three to four years before we can expect the PSL to mould our young talent into international material players,” he said.

Waqar however made it clear that while he understood the desire of the franchises to field the sides they think are best for their requirements, he would like to see more players selected in the Pakistan squad play in the ongoing PSL.

“I don’t know what the cricket board can do because after all this is a commercial entity and franchises have their own businesses and requirements. But it would be good if the players picked in the squad for the Asia Cup and World T20 events are given chances to play in the PSL,” the former Test captain said.

Waqar clearly didn’t sound too happy with the way some of the Pakistan selected players have not been given regular chances by their franchises.

“I am a bit surprised that Babar Azam is not playing in all matches and Muhammad Irfan is not being tested out fully,” he added.

Waqar was optimistic that the PSL in the next few years would fill a big void in Pakistan cricket and allow young players the opportunity to groom themselves and become top products.

The Pakistan coach was also candid when asked whether he was satisfied with the squad selected for the two coming events.

“I don’t know whether you have spoken to chief selector Haroon Rasheed but I think it is best you speak to him about this. I was consulted by the selectors but it is their final decision on the squad,” he stated.
http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...right-away-waqar-younis/#sthash.Lt1kI6Nl.dpuf

 

[#GreenRoars]

Some body should tell him Sharma and Kohli aren't IPL productions. And also this PSL won't give you better players, doesn't matter if you give 10 years to PSL.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

We have good ODI players in Hafeez, Babar, Haris, Akmal, Rizwan, Yamin, Malik, Amir, Wahab, Zafar etc. just play them in the 11 and play them in right positions!

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Some body should tell him Sharma and Kohli aren't IPL productions. And also this PSL won't give you better players, doesn't matter if you give 10 years to PSL.

Agreed. But it will develop already good players like Babar and Akmal

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Horrible Comment regarding KOHLI & SHARMA.

Even teenager pakistan & Indian fans know tha they are not product of IPL.


If he is expecting PSL to give Kohli & Sharma to Pakistan than I would say that he is living in the heaven of fools.


# Sorry Wiqi Legend

# No offence

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Young players hardly get a genuine chance in the PSL. No idea how PSL will give Waqar its legend players.

Guys like Asghar, Usama were made in Pak domestic. They already were the most promising spinners there since 2014.

 

[BeautifulGame]

Some body should tell him Sharma and Kohli aren't IPL productions. And also this PSL won't give you better players, doesn't matter if you give 10 years to PSL.

Rohit may not be a product of IPL but without IPL he probably would not have made his comeback into the Indian team .Same with Raina .

Its their IPL exploits which ensured they are not just domestic bullies and deserve more chance in international cricket .

I am sure in 2-3 years PSL will help Pakistan cricket in similar way .

 

[Syed1]

PSL will not give you a Kohli or a Sharma, it'll only give you leg side hacks like Sharjeel and Khalid Latif..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Didnot expect such ignorant comments from a great like Waqar Younis.

 

[Sandeep]

Consider these guys from India -

1. Dhawan - 2004 U19 WC star, scored heavily for Delhi in Ranji. Was a flop in IPL when he was selected for India for the first time.
2. Rohit - 2006 U19 WC star. Scored heavily for Mumbai in Ranjis (at an average of 60, first class) when he was selected for India.
3. Rahane - Proper cricketer from Ranji background. Scored lots and lots of runs from Mumbai before getting selected. No where in IPL before.
4. Kohli - 2008 U19 winning captain. Scored heavily for Delhi in the 2 first class seasons he played before settling in Indian team.
5. Raina - Pakistanis have seen him in Pakistan before IPL even began. Greg Chappell's find for Indian team. UP Ranji captain.
6. Dhoni - No question of IPL. Was India's first class product before everything began.

Point to note is that IPL hasn't 'found' many players for India (Ravi Ashwin might be the exception, IPL did provide him the platform). The above players 'made' IPL, along with stalwarts like Gayle, Watson, ABD etc. Hope this clarifies.

 

[Mamoon]

We will never produce batsmen like them again. Kohli at 27 is better than any batsman Pakistan has ever produced (barring Miandad) and will eventually leave him in dust as well. Rohit is a late bloomer but if he was Pakistani, he would be close to being one of our batting greats already.

Our standards in batting are pathetically low and we should be aiming much lower than that. We should look to produce batsmen who would be good enough to be in the reserves for India.

 

[BeautifulGame]

Consider these guys from India -

1. Dhawan - 2004 U19 WC star, scored heavily for Delhi in Ranji. Was a flop in IPL when he was selected for India for the first time.
2. Rohit - 2006 U19 WC star. Scored heavily for Mumbai in Ranjis (at an average of 60, first class) when he was selected for India.
3. Rahane - Proper cricketer from Ranji background. Scored lots and lots of runs from Mumbai before getting selected. No where in IPL before.
4. Kohli - 2008 U19 winning captain. Scored heavily for Delhi in the 2 first class seasons he played before settling in Indian team.
5. Raina - Pakistanis have seen him in Pakistan before IPL even began. Greg Chappell's find for Indian team. UP Ranji captain.
6. Dhoni - No question of IPL. Was India's first class product before everything began.

Point to note is that IPL hasn't 'found' many players for India (Ravi Ashwin might be the exception, IPL did provide him the platform). The above players 'made' IPL, along with stalwarts like Gayle, Watson, ABD etc. Hope this clarifies.

Raina was dropped from the team (not even part of 1007 wc squad) and made his comeback on the basis of his performance in 2008 IPL .

Same with Rohit who made his comeback based on his IPL performances

 

[waleed88]

What has Waqar said now that is irking so many Pakistani fans? He was interviewed by an Indianexpress wasn't he?

 

[Madplayer]

Don't think kohli or rohit are products of IPL.

 

[mosh101]

No chance from what we've seen so far !

 

[khalil1986]

What has Waqar said now that is irking so many Pakistani fans? He was interviewed by an Indianexpress wasn't he?

It's pretty obvious isn't it just read the comments.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

We will never produce batsmen like them again. Kohli at 27 is better than any batsman Pakistan has ever produced (barring Miandad) and will eventually leave him in dust as well. Rohit is a late bloomer but if he was Pakistani, he would be close to being one of our batting greats already.

Our standards in batting are pathetically low and we should be aiming much lower than that. We should look to produce batsmen who would be good enough to be in the reserves for India.

What a highly pessimistic post. You should look to produce Kohlis n every street of Pakistan :miandad . Seriously if you're just looking to produce batsmen who can only get into our reserves, Pakistan should simply stop playing cricket.

 

[Hamza_]

What a highly pessimistic post. You should look to produce Kohlis n every street of Pakistan :miandad . Seriously if you're just looking to produce batsmen who can only get into our reserves, Pakistan should simply stop playing cricket.

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail are two very good batsman. Could definitely go on as top tier batters

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail are two very good batsman. Could definitely go on as top tier batters

I think Babar is a top class talent and Harris Sohsil is quite good as well. You need more of such batsmen and not the likes of Sohaib Maqsood

 

[Hamza_]

I think Babar is a top class talent and Harris Sohsil is quite good as well. You need more of such batsmen and not the likes of Sohaib Maqsood

For some reason, I rate Haris more than Babar Azam, Haris is much more assured and solid player, Could be a gem of Test and ODI Player.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Waqar Bhai you won't get Kohli's from PSL. May be you need to check what kohli does in IPL. Even india haven't found many players from IPL. What have indian bowlers learnt after playing alongside steyn, starc and other top international bowlers? 8 IPL seasons have gone by how many players did india find? PSL will be same if you think its going to give you kohlis and sharmas then you are living in your cloud cuckoo land.

 

[waleed88]

It's pretty obvious isn't it just read the comments.

I mean so he praised Kohli and Sharma, saying we can't produce batsmen like them?? Its a fact isn't it?

 

[PTI tsunami]

It will take longer as young players aren't given a chance


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[Tired]

Horrible Comment regarding KOHLI & SHARMA.

Even teenager pakistan & Indian fans know tha they are not product of IPL.


If he is expecting PSL to give Kohli & Sharma to Pakistan than I would say that he is living in the heaven of fools.


# Sorry Wiqi Legend

# No offence

The IPL made them hard and gave them confidence to play their shorts and trust their instincts. If you fight every day then you will only get strong.

 

[Markhor]

Laughable statement by Waqar. PSL will achieve a lot of things but don't kid yourself it'll somehow produce Kohlis and Rohits. Are West Indies producing a new generation of Brian Laras as a result of the CPL ? It may produce better limited overs cricketers and no doubt the youngsters will learn a lot from playing with top foreign players but PSL is not a magic cure, especially when you have illogical selection policies, evident in our recent World Cup squad.

Waqar clearly didn’t sound too happy with the way some of the Pakistan selected players have not been given regular chances by their franchises. “I am a bit surprised that Babar Azam is not playing in all matches and Muhammad Irfan is not being tested out fully,” he added.

What does it tell us when the players selected for the World Cup can't even hold down a place for their franchises ? Come on, we don't need PSL to figure out Mohammad Irfan's level of ability in T20s by now. Plus the franchises have invested their money for their team to win, not to do the selectors' job for them.

The Pakistan coach was also candid when asked whether he was satisfied with the squad selected for the two coming events. “I don’t know whether you have spoken to chief selector Haroon Rasheed but I think it is best you speak to him about this. I was consulted by the selectors but it is their final decision on the squad,” he stated.

This is what you call passing the buck. Don't hide behind Haroon Rashid - at least after the inevitable car crash this World Cup will turn out to be we can sack the pair of them.

 

[Rana]

They are not ipl products

 

[New Yorker]

We will never produce batsmen like them again. Kohli at 27 is better than any batsman Pakistan has ever produced (barring Miandad) and will eventually leave him in dust as well. Rohit is a late bloomer but if he was Pakistani, he would be close to being one of our batting greats already.

Our standards in batting are pathetically low and we should be aiming much lower than that. We should look to produce batsmen who would be good enough to be in the reserves for India.

To be fair, Kohli at 27 may also be better than any batsman India ever produced (barring Tendulkar)

 

[Bilal7]

Don't need a FTB like Sharma. If you're going to aim for the stars, aim for the one who shine more often than not. Aim for an AB or Amla.

 

[Slog]

Seems like comments went over people's heads.

Ofcourse he doesn't literally mean that through PSL somehow the upcoming talent will be injected with tiger blood and become superior skilled performers like Sharma.

The point is high profile tournaments like IPL give domestic players the platform and exposure which wouldn't be available otherwise. Young Indian products who have played few seasons of IPL now go into international cricket having played in dozens of crunch situations in front of tens of thousands of screaming fans. They have experienced pressure and atmosphere similar to what our players first come across in international cricket. Also they get to be coached and get tips by world class coaches and share dressing rooms with not only top international from their own country but also from all over the world.

On the other hand, our players have Been making their international debuts after playing most of their domestic cricket in front of empty stands with no pressure on them in case they fail due to lack of interest from the populace. Forget international stars, but They end up sharing the dressing rooms with other domestic hacks and has-beens since the top 20-25 players are always involved in international and A cricket. Finally the coaching given to them is terrible and at times detrimental to a young cricketers career. So even if they work hard they are often working hard on the wrong things.

So in that sense PSL may help our cricket in the future. Ofcourse it won't magically lead to births of Kohlis but atleast a talented player will now have a comparatively better chance to get noticed and be better prepared to cope with the different aspects of international cricket.

You don't have control over the talent you get through the system. But you do have control over how properly you hone it and the hope is PSL goes some way into having a net positive effect in this regard.

 

[Pakistani Pace]

Don't need a FTB like Sharma. If you're going to aim for the stars, aim for the one who shine more often than not. Aim for an AB or Amla.

Yeah exactly we don't need sharma or Kholi. We should aim for someone like Ab or Amla.

 

[Pace90]

If you guys like to talk rubbish about a great player, no one can stop you , but all he was saying PSL should not be expected to unearth great talent from the very beginning and what's wrong with that.

 

[MarkCooper]

I do not understand what happens to otherwise intelligent people when they give interviewers to TV stations and newspapers.

 

[Theo_14]

Seriously, some of the posters are so thick here.

What if the journalist asked him a direct question such as; "can we find a Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma in T20?"

Also, even though Waqar has provided such an an answer; it doesn't neccesarily means that Virat and Sharma itself were found from such leagues; his point is made in general: that it will take time to find a player from such leagues of their calibers.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree with the posters that his comment wasn't literal in sense and that has flown over people's heads, but it is a different matter altogether that we simply cannot produce batsmen of that caliber.

 

[Sachin136]

To be fair, Kohli at 27 may also be better than any batsman India ever produced (barring Tendulkar)

Not even close, in ODIs or tests.

 

[W63L35]

Waqar unhappy that Islamabad United not playing Babar & Ifran - the players selected for World T20

http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1103344236&Issue=NP_KHI&Date=20160214

Main points of the article:

Waqar has expressed his displeasure over players selected for National squad are warming up the bench in PSL.

He mentioned that he does understand the economic or business reasons behind the franchises ...and he also realizes that franchises also have full right to select players of their own choice but he is extremely surprised that players like Babar Azam and Mohammad Irfan are not given chance to show their skills on the cricket field.

When asked if he is happy with the players selected for Asia Cup and World T20, he told the reporters that he merely suggested the players to the chief selector. But ultimate decisions [about the selection] were done by the selection committee. So he asked to reporter to contact Haroon Rashid.

He also said, that lets not expect the players like Kohli and Rohit Sharma to come out of PSL's very first edition.




hmmmmmmmmmm Interesting and valid point raised by Waqar.
But then again, why did he not complain about selection of Khurram Manzoor who was not even picked to play PSL.

 

[javiersuka]

Understandable, Pakistan comes first. These matches should be utilized as preparation for the upcoming T20 WC for which Selected prayers should get maximum time out there in the middle.

 

[Rafa]

Agree with Waqar, what is the use of this tournament if the candidates for the T20 WC don't get the opportunity to gain experience and improve their game.

All franchises must take it a duty to make sure that the WC players get maximum practise.

 

[W63L35]

1) Selection COmmittee did not pick the best players.
Meaning if the players are not good enough for their own domestic team, how they are better than other players from all other teams?


or

2) Islamabad team management and captain do not want those players to get match practice - intentionally!

 

[Suleiman]

Irfan is garbage, surprised he can't see that despite seeing him in the NZ series too.

Babar was injured iirc?

 

[Madplayer]

Agree with Waqar, what is the use of this tournament if the candidates for the T20 WC don't get the opportunity to gain experience and improve their game.

All franchises must take it a duty to make sure that the WC players get maximum practise.

The teams are owned by private organizations, not PCB.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Why was Irfan picked in the first place?

 

[hafeezrocks]

I see some of the teams conspiring against the Greater Goodwill of Pakistan Cricket.

 

[msb314]

Understandable, Pakistan comes first. These matches should be utilized as preparation for the upcoming T20 WC for which Selected prayers should get maximum time out there in the middle.

Agree with Waqar, what is the use of this tournament if the candidates for the T20 WC don't get the opportunity to gain experience and improve their game.

All franchises must take it a duty to make sure that the WC players get maximum practise.

No they don't..

Franchises are businesses first. They must do what is best for their own franchise - in terms of financial repercussions and performance of the franchise.

The needs of the national team can and probably will conflict with the goals of the PSL franchises.

Theoretically, the national team players should be the best in the country and hence should be in the starting XI for the franchises too but reality can be different. For example, the presence of Icon players can change the starting team and as well changes to the personnel to suit the team dynamics of the franchise.

 

[Belawal2014]

Why was Irfan picked in the first place?

Management probably thought that the duo of Aamir and Irfan were great in the ODI series against NZ and hence would be great for the shorter format. Little do they know that Irfan is beyond horrible in the shorter format and easily gives up 10 runs in the field.

 

[Professor]

1) Selection COmmittee did not pick the best players.
Meaning if the players are not good enough for their own domestic team, how they are better than other players from all other teams?


or

2) Islamabad team management and captain do not want those players to get match practice - intentionally!

It's the first option, Irfan and Azam are not T20 players and Islamabad has better T20 options in the likes of Khalid Latif and Mohammed Sami. Also apprerntly Azam was also injured so that may have a played a part.

 

[W63L35]

It's the first option, Irfan and Azam are not T20 players and Islamabad has better T20 options in the likes of Khalid Latif and Mohammed Sami. Also apparently Azam was also injured so that may have a played a part.

Injuries are fine..... but looking at the other players Misbah has tried ahead of Baber and Irfan , Waqar has all the reasons to be upset them given only two chances each....

I mean, .... Misbah has played 19 different players for IU in 7 matches. It can't be all because of injuries...when only 3 players have played in all 7 matches.

 

[rhony]

Waqar Bhai you won't get Kohli's from PSL. May be you need to check what kohli does in IPL. Even india haven't found many players from IPL. What have indian bowlers learnt after playing alongside steyn, starc and other top international bowlers? 8 IPL seasons have gone by how many players did india find? PSL will be same if you think its going to give you kohlis and sharmas then you are living in your cloud cuckoo land.

What a load of rubbish from you on IPL again. Not surprising though. I believe the last time you watched IPL was in Season 1. Things have changed ever since FYI

Let's take a look at the current Indian LOI team

Bumrah- Direct product of IPL. Credits his Mumbai team mate Malinga for his consistency in bowling Yorkers.
Nehra- His career was a dead duck before Chennai picked him. Is in the national team now just because of his IPL performance in the last two years.
Ashwin- Was noticed just because of IPL
Jadeja, Hardik Pandya- Direct product of IPL


That's your entire freaking bowling unit and they all have to thank IPL for their place in the Indian team.

Rohit, Raina- Were dropped from the Indian team after terrible slump. Both have to thank their IPL exploits for their comeback into the Indian team.
Rahane- Excellent FC record but no body cared. Is in the LOI team just because of IPL.

That's a total of 8 players in the India team because of IPL. Add to that the ability to face very good bowlers day in and day out and hone your skills under pressure.

 

[jeetu]

Pakistan has history of unearthing great players from obscurity. So some fans feel that tournament like PSL might gave them next Waqar, Inzy.
The biggest plus of IPL/PSL is that it shows relatively unknown players into spotlight. Barely anyone follows domestic cricket. So unless a player gets national call up that player lies in obscurity. While its a fact majority of T20 successful players gets found out at international scene. In India Dinda , Saurav Tiwari etc got national duty calls ups due IPL success but felt wayside. Others like Jadeja etc had to work at their game to return to bigger format for some years after they got dropped.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What a load of rubbish from you on IPL again. Not surprising though. I believe the last time you watched IPL was in Season 1. Things have changed ever since FYI

Let's take a look at the current Indian LOI team

Bumrah- Direct product of IPL. Credits his Mumbai team mate Malinga for his consistency in bowling Yorkers.
Nehra- His career was a dead duck before Chennai picked him. Is in the national team now just because of his IPL performance in the last two years.
Ashwin- Was noticed just because of IPL
Jadeja, Hardik Pandya- Direct product of IPL


That's your entire freaking bowling unit and they all have to thank IPL for their place in the Indian team.

Rohit, Raina- Were dropped from the Indian team after terrible slump. Both have to thank their IPL exploits for their comeback into the Indian team.
Rahane- Excellent FC record but no body cared. Is in the LOI team just because of IPL.

That's a total of 8 players in the India team because of IPL. Add to that the ability to face very good bowlers day in and day out and hone your skills under pressure.

Its obvious who is posting rubbish here. Just read your post again.
Let me start with Hardik Pandya. What has he actually done yet in international cricket? You talk as if he is the second coming of imran khan. Hasn't done anything special yet. We don't even have enough sample size. So stop praising pandya. I am sure he will improve though.

Rishi Dhawan, Gony, Mithun are the real products of IPL and they were treated just like that. No one gives a damn about these players.

Raina and Rohit made their debuts before playing in IPL.
If they were in bad form they would have played some domestic cricket and came back into the Indian team anyway. That was how it used to work like that pre IPL.
All the players didn't play in IPL to get back into form lol.

And its funny you are focussing on the batting only. India would have found these batsman anyway because there are lots of talented batsman in india. Even pujara came into the LOI side because he played tests for india.
Rahane would have also got his chances at one stage.

Now the real question is where are the bowlers? If batsman can learn by playing alongside intl class batsman why can't bowlers learn something from greats like steyn, wasim and even waqar himself? Shami, bhuvi, ishant these are products of domestic cricket.

Although i can't help it if you started watching cricket after 2008. Next you will say nehra is a product of IPL too. I won't be surprised though even if you do.

 

[shaz619]

Waqar Bhai you won't get Kohli's from PSL. May be you need to check what kohli does in IPL. Even india haven't found many players from IPL. What have indian bowlers learnt after playing alongside steyn, starc and other top international bowlers? 8 IPL seasons have gone by how many players did india find? PSL will be same if you think its going to give you kohlis and sharmas then you are living in your cloud cuckoo land.

We can get Kohli and Sharma attitude from PSL, that's what he meant brother

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We can get Kohli and Sharma attitude from PSL, that's what he meant brother

Yeah you got your first 'gauti kohli' incident today.

 

[shaz619]

Yeah you got your first 'gauti kohli' incident today.

Progress the future looks bright mashaAllah

 

[Rudi hater]

and find Wasim, Sohaib Akhtar type bowlers too lol... I think the day IPL find Wasim, Waqar, Imran and Shoaib PSL will find Sachin, Gavaskar...

 

[rhony]

Its obvious who is posting rubbish here. Just read your post again.
Let me start with Hardik Pandya. What has he actually done yet in international cricket? You talk as if he is the second coming of imran khan. Hasn't done anything special yet. We don't even have enough sample size. So stop praising pandya. I am sure he will improve though.

Rishi Dhawan, Gony, Mithun are the real products of IPL and they were treated just like that. No one gives a damn about these players.

Raina and Rohit made their debuts before playing in IPL.
If they were in bad form they would have played some domestic cricket and came back into the Indian team anyway. That was how it used to work like that pre IPL.
All the players didn't play in IPL to get back into form lol.

And its funny you are focussing on the batting only. India would have found these batsman anyway because there are lots of talented batsman in india. Even pujara came into the LOI side because he played tests for india.
Rahane would have also got his chances at one stage.

Now the real question is where are the bowlers? If batsman can learn by playing alongside intl class batsman why can't bowlers learn something from greats like steyn, wasim and even waqar himself? Shami, bhuvi, ishant these are products of domestic cricket.

Although i can't help it if you started watching cricket after 2008. Next you will say nehra is a product of IPL too. I won't be surprised though even if you do.

It's funny how you assumed that I thought Pandya was the second coming on Imran. If you go through my post again, you will see that my focus was on the current national team and how most of the players have to thank IPL for their place in the team. Pandya maybe mediocre but he is the best India could produce when it comes to all rounders. Is he the next Kallis? Hell NO!!! Even SA did not produce another Kallis.

Most of these players are in the team because of Dhoni. He brought Ashwin, Jadega, Raina (2nd innings) into the team. It is purely based on their performance in his IPL team. As Dhoni confessed recently, he does not watch domestic games and everyone knows how a lot of good domestic players fall by the wayside ever so often without proper exposure.

Bowling has never been India's forte and if you expect a Shami or Yadav to become a Wasim just because he coached them, you will be in rude shock. A Waqar can help a Bhuvi hone his yorkers and death bowling but it is the bowler who has to execute them. Bhuvi was OK even though he fell by the wayside later on.

DOn't talk about Starc, Steyn etc. They are once in a generation bowlers and you must be delusional to expect a T20 tournament to produce bowlers like them.

The types of pitches, the culture indicate that India is always batting heavy and IPL helped Indian batsmen immensely albeit of flat pitches. The bowlers are slowly coming through like Bumrah or Ashwin and you will see more coming in the future.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

and find Wasim, Sohaib Akhtar type bowlers too lol... I think the day IPL find Wasim, Waqar, Imran and Shoaib PSL will find Sachin, Gavaskar...

Don't speak the truth. It hurts badly.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It's funny how you assumed that I thought Pandya was the second coming on Imran. If you go through my post again, you will see that my focus was on the current national team and how most of the players have to thank IPL for their place in the team. Pandya maybe mediocre but he is the best India could produce when it comes to all rounders. Is he the next Kallis? Hell NO!!! Even SA did not produce another Kallis.

Most of these players are in the team because of Dhoni. He brought Ashwin, Jadega, Raina (2nd innings) into the team. It is purely based on their performance in his IPL team. As Dhoni confessed recently, he does not watch domestic games and everyone knows how a lot of good domestic players fall by the wayside ever so often without proper exposure.

Bowling has never been India's forte and if you expect a Shami or Yadav to become a Wasim just because he coached them, you will be in rude shock. A Waqar can help a Bhuvi hone his yorkers and death bowling but it is the bowler who has to execute them. Bhuvi was OK even though he fell by the wayside later on.

DOn't talk about Starc, Steyn etc. They are once in a generation bowlers and you must be delusional to expect a T20 tournament to produce bowlers like them.

The types of pitches, the culture indicate that India is always batting heavy and IPL helped Indian batsmen immensely albeit of flat pitches. The bowlers are slowly coming through like Bumrah or Ashwin and you will see more coming in the future.

lol actually you are saying the same thing. Just like steyn and starc are once in a lifetime bowlers and its foolish to think IPL will unearth bowlers like them. Kohli too is a once in a lifetime batsman and its delusional to think PSL will give Pakistan batsman like kohli.

You need to have the same hunger, work ethic and skills as a player to become like kohli. Are we on the same page now?

 

[rhony]

lol actually you are saying the same thing. Just like steyn and starc are once in a lifetime bowlers and its foolish to think IPL will unearth bowlers like them. Kohli too is a once in a lifetime batsman and its delusional to think PSL will give Pakistan batsman like kohli.

You need to have the same hunger, work ethic and skills as a player to become like kohli. Are we on the same page now?

What you also seem to ignore is how a Player like Kohli, Rohit also improve their skills immensely by playing against the best bowlers from other countries frequently in IPL.

Another point about players being selected through FC cricket anyway if not for IPL is also inaccurate. In FC cricket, you face bowlers like Gony and co. who are absolute trash. A triple hundred against them doesn't give as much mileage in LOI as a quick 50 against Starc and co. in IPL.

Coming to my final point- Someone like Umar Akmal who is immensely talented but has very poor temperament can gain a great deal from tournaments like these if he chooses to apply himself. Being under the pump for prolonged periods of time and still perform is what separates a Kohli from an Akmal. Kohli gained that in IPL. It's up to Umar to do the same.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What you also seem to ignore is how a Player like Kohli, Rohit also improve their skills immensely by playing against the best bowlers from other countries frequently in IPL.

Another point about players being selected through FC cricket anyway if not for IPL is also inaccurate. In FC cricket, you face bowlers like Gony and co. who are absolute trash. A triple hundred against them doesn't give as much mileage in LOI as a quick 50 against Starc and co. in IPL.

Coming to my final point- Someone like Umar Akmal who is immensely talented but has very poor temperament can gain a great deal from tournaments like these if he chooses to apply himself. Being under the pump for prolonged periods of time and still perform is what separates a Kohli from an Akmal. Kohli gained that in IPL. It's up to Umar to do the same.

This question is regarding umar akmal. Ok now tell me what's bigger these leagues or international cricket?

Playing for your country is the biggest motivation. If you are not motivated after playing for your country you certainly won't be after playing these domestic leagues too. Umar Akmal played alongside inzi, misbah, younis, yousuf. Are they not big players? Can't you learn anything from them? Why do you need foreign players in your dressing room to get motivated?

 

[rhony]

This question is regarding umar akmal. Ok now tell me what's bigger these leagues or international cricket?

Playing for your country is the biggest motivation. If you are not motivated after playing for your country you certainly won't be after playing these domestic leagues too. Umar Akmal played alongside inzi, misbah, younis, yousuf. Are they not big players? Can't you learn anything from them? Why do you need foreign players in your dressing room to get motivated?

It's not only motivation. It's about opportunity. Umar wants to bat at No.3 but can't in Pakistan team. He can in PSL and did reasonably well. If he keeps performing well, he will certainly present a case for himself at No.3 in the Pakistan team.

I remember Rohit Sharma's interview a while ago where he credited the impact of added responsibility of MI captaincy on his batting in general. He feels more responsible and if he has a good day, he knows how to make it a great day. Someone like Umar Akmal should also be handed over a few additional responsibilities and and PSL is the only avenue for that.

 

[sarfarazrules]

Talent isn't the problem, it's Waqar who's killing the LOI teams

 

[street cricketer]

and find Wasim, Sohaib Akhtar type bowlers too lol... I think the day IPL find Wasim, Waqar, Imran and Shoaib PSL will find Sachin, Gavaskar...

Difference is Pakistan doesn't have Wasim and Akhtar playing now, and has Anwar ali and Rahat ali instead.

 

[BuccalSingh]

Difference is Pakistan doesn't have Wasim and Akhtar playing now, and has Anwar ali and Rahat ali instead.

I think what is pointed out is that players like Sachin,Gavaskar aren't the product of some league, nor can players like Akram and Akhtar be product of 20/20 leagues.

 

[street cricketer]

I think what is pointed out is that players like Sachin,Gavaskar aren't the product of some league, nor can players like Akram and Akhtar be product of 20/20 leagues.

You're reading too much into his post lol.. He didn't imply that.

 

[ali2220]

Difference is Pakistan doesn't have Wasim and Akhtar playing now, and has Anwar ali and Rahat ali instead.

Our front line bowlers happen to be Wahab, Aamer and Irfan. Rahat is our back up bowler, and anwar is an all rounder.Saying that Pak fast bowling is about Anwar is exactly like saying Pak spin is about Imad, which is laughable.

 

[street cricketer]

Our front line bowlers happen to be Wahab, Aamer and Irfan. Rahat is our back up bowler, and anwar is an all rounder.Saying that Pak fast bowling is about Anwar is exactly like saying Pak spin is about Imad, which is laughable.

Yes, and only Amir is world class in that list.

 

[ali2220]

Yes, and only Amir is world class in that list.

Did i say that they are world class bowlers ?

The players that are in the team coz of their batting or are backups can't be referred as our front line bowlers.That was just my point.

 

[street cricketer]

Did i say that they are world class bowlers ?

The players that are in the team coz of their batting or are backups can't be referred as our front line bowlers.That was just my point.

That post was mainly addressed to Rudi hater who asked India to find Wasim like bowlers. It is true that India doesn't have world class pace bowlers in its ranks. But it has managed to replace their older world class batsmen with some world class batsmen now (even if they aren't of the same caliber), while Pakistan has failed to do so with regards to its bowling.

 

[ali2220]

That post was mainly addressed to Rudi hater who asked India to find Wasim like bowlers. It is true that India doesn't have world class pace bowlers in its ranks. But it has managed to replace their older world class batsmen with some world class batsmen now (even if they aren't of the same caliber), while Pakistan has failed to do so with regards to its bowling.

To some extent its true.Though i reckon in 6 months time Pak will get Asif back, and then we will have a world class fast bowling pair, right now its not the case.

 

[Indiafan]

To some extent its true.Though i reckon in 6 months time Pak will get Asif back, and then we will have a world class fast bowling pair, right now its not the case.

So after being banned 4 times how long do you think before Asif gets banned for the 5th time? Man I have been here a long time but it seems like almost every year in that long period I see posts saying, "Once Asif is back, we will be the greatest"

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

PSL will give a platform for youngsters to be more confident and make them financially stable. One might also get to know the thinking, work ethics of other country super stars (if playing for same club) and inspire to emulate them.

I guess this is what Waqar meant. On the topic, IPL did certainly help Vijay, Ashwin, Raina, Rohit, Jaddu, Bumrah to come into the team.

Kohli is a mediocre player in IPL whereas Rohit and Raina are legends

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Don't need a FTB like Sharma. If you're going to aim for the stars, aim for the one who shine more often than not. Aim for an AB or Amla.

Yeah exactly we don't need sharma or Kholi. We should aim for someone like Ab or Amla.

AB yes
Amla no

Because of these leagues we can get players like AB (minus consistency) who are innovative and can play 360 deg

Amla is from old school who basically relies on footwork, technique, patience, et al.

 

[Bilal7]

AB yes
Amla no

Because of these leagues we can get players like AB (minus consistency) who are innovative and can play 360 deg

Amla is from old school who basically relies on footwork, technique, patience, et al.

I really don't think you can get any world class players from T20 leagues. The top batsmen in the world have done the hard yards at their country's FC circuit and if any Pakistani wants to join them, he will have to do the same.

 

[dashing_man]

Some body should tell him Sharma and Kohli aren't IPL productions. And also this PSL won't give you better players, doesn't matter if you give 10 years to PSL.

Sharma did get better through PSL. I think Kohli too, I remember how Kohli was around 2009

 

[Rightarmfast]

Its like thinking IPL will give us a Waqar and Wasim for India! Aint gonna happen buddy!

 

[ali2220]

So after being banned 4 times how long do you think before Asif gets banned for the 5th time? Man I have been here a long time but it seems like almost every year in that long period I see posts saying, "Once Asif is back, we will be the greatest"

I didn't say that, so don't dramatize and bring it here, all i said was that when he returns we will have a world class opening bowling pair, thats all!

 

[ataullah]

Funny how we think psl will give us a kohli when there is no structure. 20 years of psl won't even give us kohli.

 

[Savak]

Wrong good true batting wickets will give you good batsmen, not UAE, West Indies type slow grinding wickets.

 

[GrandMaster]

Its like thinking IPL will give us a Waqar and Wasim for India! Aint gonna happen buddy!

Waqar and Waseem are once in a lifetime kind of bowlers. Forget about INDIA, even Pakistan will fail to produce another W’s.

Thanks to IPL, INDIA have produced quality and young fast bowlers and spinners who are competing against the best bowlers and have been success in doing so.

 

[Sanzcool]

PSL will give a platform for youngsters to be more confident and make them financially stable. One might also get to know the thinking, work ethics of other country super stars (if playing for same club) and inspire to emulate them.

I guess this is what Waqar meant. On the topic, IPL did certainly help Vijay, Ashwin, Raina, Rohit, Jaddu, Bumrah to come into the team.

Kohli is a mediocre player in IPL whereas Rohit and Raina are legends

VK avgs more than Rohit, has scored more runs than him, has a better SR, but still mediocre lol, The True Mumbaikar has spoken