It's time for the worst time of the year for Pakistan cricket!

[HappyWarsFan]

I am dreading the next month. And the reason is that when PSL is happening. Can't wait for every Tom, Dick, Mo and Henry to perform a hacky innings and for fans to start crying out for his selection in the team on the basis of "PSL performances".

Everyone is going to be caught in this spirit and I can't wait for all the knee jerk and reactionary posts

 

[in_cutter]

Kneejerk thread

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You are not wrong. I am with you on this.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

You are not wrong. I am with you on this.

Lol, I've seen your views on IPL and I totally agree..IPL has brought clowns like Thakur, Pant, Pandya, etc. To India's team, mediocre and inconsistent players. When India has so much better, proper options in domestic cricket .

Same thing in Pakistan with the likes of Shadab, Faheem, Asif Ali, etc.

S

 

[Hawkeye]

It's fun and chill cricket.

Entertainment for the masses.

Don't take it seriously. Our awaam needs as many fun and entertainment events as possible. We've suffered for 2 decades.

Relax.

Does produce hitters and that's a positive.

 

[Manager101]

As usual, A PSL bashing thread just like each year.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol, I've seen your views on IPL and I totally agree..IPL has brought clowns like Thakur, Pant, Pandya, etc. To India's team, mediocre and inconsistent players. When India has so much better, proper options in domestic cricket .

Same thing in Pakistan with the likes of Shadab, Faheem, Asif Ali, etc.

S

Pant and Pandya would walk into our team in all formats and would be one of the top performers. They are levels above nothing players like that Shadab, Faheem, Asif Ali etc.

 

[sindhiboy]

Lol, I've seen your views on IPL and I totally agree..IPL has brought clowns like Thakur, Pant, Pandya, etc. To India's team, mediocre and inconsistent players. When India has so much better, proper options in domestic cricket .

Same thing in Pakistan with the likes of Shadab, Faheem, Asif Ali, etc.

S

Pandya has a test 5fer.pant has test hundreds.

They are not that bad. Was thakur really successful in ipl?

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Pant and Pandya would walk into our team in all formats and would be one of the top performers. They are levels above nothing players like that Shadab, Faheem, Asif Ali etc.

Yes because India's discard players are still much better. But India's domestic performers like Iyer, Shaw, Gill were ignored for far too long.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

It's fun and chill cricket.

Entertainment for the masses.

Don't take it seriously. Our awaam needs as many fun and entertainment events as possible. We've suffered for 2 decades.

Relax.

Does produce hitters and that's a positive.

Yes but clowns will start calling for Misbahs head for not picking X from PSL. And it's just terrible quality and ruins our players.

 

[MMHS]

True - every dirt around PAK cricket can be swept under the PSL carpet.

As a keen follower of PAK cricket, I could see what tape-ball cricket did to PAK batting, but yet at least it had a reason and a contribution - it brought some of the fastest bowlers in history of the game from that raw, slingy action required for tape ball cricket. Some of them could add skill & intelligence to that raw speed, reaching at the highest level, some ended like Mo Sami or Mo Zahid..... but still, raw pace is raw pace.

I honestly don’t know what is the contribution of T20 (PSL) in PAK cricket - nothing added to the batting front, but the bowling has taken a nose dive both in terms of spin & pace; and most alarming is that top potential bowlers are ruined within couple of years of PSL (read T20). T20 is a form of cricket better suited for super talented Afghans, not for Pakistan, not after 70 glorious years of classical cricket. If I were in charge, I would have made it mandatory that no U23 player is drafted In any such T20 franchise league.

To a massive extent, IPL has given back lot to Indian cricket - money, power, stardom, aspiration (for younger generation), because BCCI could channelise this new found riches from IPL diamond mine into their domestic system; to a certain extent BCB as well, while T20 (BBL) was never a serious thing in Australia. But, in PAK as it looks everything is revolving around PSL, which to me is a bigger damage than the fixing issues or isolation - SAF overcame from 20 years complete isolation, Italian soccer came back from mass scale fixing in their leagues ...... but I am not sure if PAK cricket can overcome from this PSL (T20) curse.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Very well put and totally agree. PSL did exponentially accelerate this T20 curse for Pakistan.

PSL funds should be invested in improving domestic cricket and increase salries for domestic cricketers so that they don't complain and it remains an attractive job.
PCB so far.has done God knows what with that PSL cash but hopefully Wasim Khan can use it wisely, especially with the new format he's implemented.

 

[MenInG]

Why not let PSL be what it is - a celebration of cricket? A time for fun and also for Pakistanis to enjoy themselves.

If you dont like it dont watch it - but dont spoil the fun for others.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Why not let PSL be what it is - a celebration of cricket? A time for fun and also for Pakistanis to enjoy themselves.

If you dont like it dont watch it - but dont spoil the fun for others.

I wouldn't mind if it improved Pakistan cricket but it actually a factor in making it decline, especially with bowling stocks. What PCB does with the PSL cash is important.

 

[Titan24]

Leagues are part of cricketing schedule of every country now a days so I dont know whats exactly wrong in that.

Nobody forces anyone to watch the leagues if they dont like.

At the same time I think while PSL or any other league might not be for the game development of players across the formats but it definitely helps youngsters to learn a thing or two from the guys like Watson, Hales, Babar etc. The way they train, their work ethics, temperament and other things. On top of that it creates a pressure environment for players with large crowds (Which are rare other than maybe T20 internationals), all matches being televised so a much bigger audience and overall a much more pressure than normal domestic matches.

 

[warcry]

i'd rather see a bilateral series than psl. maybe south africa or west indies. see some real cricket.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

i'd rather see a bilateral series than psl. maybe south africa or west indies. see some real cricket.

Totally agree. I'd rather see some tests or ODI in place.

 

[andy0204]

I can say it's both profit and loss(if selectors knows where to chose players in which format).

 

[Hasan123]

PSL is just fun and entertainment. What I find annoying is how people will judge a player off a T20 performance. Another thing I don't like is PCB should be using the profits of the PSL to improve domestic cricket but they seem to pocket it for themselves. Franchise and the organizers of PSL have not done a good job in terms of the emerging player rule. For instance a player who was an emerging player last year and played a lot of games, can still be used as an emerging player for the following year.

 

[m.shah]

True - every dirt around PAK cricket can be swept under the PSL carpet.

As a keen follower of PAK cricket, I could see what tape-ball cricket did to PAK batting, but yet at least it had a reason and a contribution - it brought some of the fastest bowlers in history of the game from that raw, slingy action required for tape ball cricket. Some of them could add skill & intelligence to that raw speed, reaching at the highest level, some ended like Mo Sami or Mo Zahid..... but still, raw pace is raw pace.

I honestly don’t know what is the contribution of T20 (PSL) in PAK cricket - nothing added to the batting front, but the bowling has taken a nose dive both in terms of spin & pace; and most alarming is that top potential bowlers are ruined within couple of years of PSL (read T20). T20 is a form of cricket better suited for super talented Afghans, not for Pakistan, not after 70 glorious years of classical cricket. If I were in charge, I would have made it mandatory that no U23 player is drafted In any such T20 franchise league.

To a massive extent, IPL has given back lot to Indian cricket - money, power, stardom, aspiration (for younger generation), because BCCI could channelise this new found riches from IPL diamond mine into their domestic system; to a certain extent BCB as well, while T20 (BBL) was never a serious thing in Australia. But, in PAK as it looks everything is revolving around PSL, which to me is a bigger damage than the fixing issues or isolation - SAF overcame from 20 years complete isolation, Italian soccer came back from mass scale fixing in their leagues ...... but I am not sure if PAK cricket can overcome from this PSL (T20) curse.

Pcb needs money and for money cricket should be played at home. Psl acts as a catalyst for that and probably psl is also generating money for pcb anf after that this money will be spend on grassroot level. Only then cricket will improve as more money flows in it.

 

[khan_aa]

True - every dirt around PAK cricket can be swept under the PSL carpet.

As a keen follower of PAK cricket, I could see what tape-ball cricket did to PAK batting, but yet at least it had a reason and a contribution - it brought some of the fastest bowlers in history of the game from that raw, slingy action required for tape ball cricket. Some of them could add skill & intelligence to that raw speed, reaching at the highest level, some ended like Mo Sami or Mo Zahid..... but still, raw pace is raw pace.

I honestly don’t know what is the contribution of T20 (PSL) in PAK cricket - nothing added to the batting front, but the bowling has taken a nose dive both in terms of spin & pace; and most alarming is that top potential bowlers are ruined within couple of years of PSL (read T20). T20 is a form of cricket better suited for super talented Afghans, not for Pakistan, not after 70 glorious years of classical cricket. If I were in charge, I would have made it mandatory that no U23 player is drafted In any such T20 franchise league.

To a massive extent, IPL has given back lot to Indian cricket - money, power, stardom, aspiration (for younger generation), because BCCI could channelise this new found riches from IPL diamond mine into their domestic system; to a certain extent BCB as well, while T20 (BBL) was never a serious thing in Australia. But, in PAK as it looks everything is revolving around PSL, which to me is a bigger damage than the fixing issues or isolation - SAF overcame from 20 years complete isolation, Italian soccer came back from mass scale fixing in their leagues ...... but I am not sure if PAK cricket can overcome from this PSL (T20) curse.

Stupid post by someone who was either sleeping or not paying attention to pak cricket over the last 12 years.


Let me explain:

PSL first of all helped bring cricket back to Pakistan, which is number 1 priority for us. It allowed foreign players to play in Pakistan so Pakistan’s image was improved slowly. It has helped tremendously. Without psl hosting matching in Pakistan test matches this year would not be a reality

Number two - it allowed a platform
For new talent to come up. Haris Rauf, shadab, Hasan Ali and others are finds in PSL. Now for them to continue their progression, they have to work themselves. But Atleast it gave competition to people like Akmals, Tanvirs and other TTFs

 

[Haripotter]

I don't mind if PSL brings talented Umar akmal, shehzad and sharjeel back into the fold

 

[Geil]

Honest truth is PSL or domestic cricket Pakistan has lot of talent but no discipline to work hard and evolve to the next level ,most players have the same skill set as they had in their early part of their careers they just dint evolve after the 90s era

 

[iPakistani]

Been waiting eagerly for the PSL and it's being held completely in Pakistan I can't wait! I don't care about what effect it has to our cricket its a fun event that people love.

 

[Ryw]

I am dreading the next month. And the reason is that when PSL is happening. Can't wait for every Tom, Dick, Mo and Henry to perform a hacky innings and for fans to start crying out for his selection in the team on the basis of "PSL performances".

Everyone is going to be caught in this spirit and I can't wait for all the knee jerk and reactionary posts

Actually PSL helps local talent to show their skills and talent, which our domestic legends hide all year due to nepotism in system

 

[silentkiller187]

A domestic tournament held at home with some world stars is bad for pakistan cricket, give me a break. Its only been around few years already and it is probably one of the reasons why we excelled in the ct2017 and number one t20 side, (even though a lot of you want to slice your wrists over this, it is unfortunately factual that by ranking standards pakistan are top) if it allows a platform for players to come and have a go why not, show me how many of englands side excelled for their counties before they play test, odi or t20. It is to identify talent and then it is up to us to nurture it, just stop with the stupid negativity.

 

[blackanhyellow]

T20 is the most watched format on the whole barring a few events like ODI world cup and or maybe the ashes, whether you like it or not.

The same people who call t20s, Mickey mouse cricket will openly admit they dont watch all 5 days of test matches and usually just catch the highlights.

PSL is a big reason why cricket is coming back to pakistan.

You dont have to tune in if you dont want to.

If people actually watched quad e azam trophy then there wouldn't be a need for psl.

But guess what, no one including most ppers actually watch the 4 day domestic matches. And no, reading the score card or watching batting highlight does not count.

I think people think it's cool to be a test cricket elite snob which is why psl and other leagues are bashed so often, even though they are so popular.

Sorry rant over.

 

[Markhor]

Yes ! I'm 100% with the OP and thank God more people are saying this. I'm sorry to rain upon this "Patriotic National Project" known as PSL but there's nothing about it that impresses me.

Does this league possess the best talent in the world ? No. There are far too many journeymen cricketers hanging on for one last layday. It doesn't even possess the best talent in Pakistan !

Does this league feature the best young talent in Pakistan ? No. They are often benched or ignored altogether.

Does this league help discover talent for the Pakistan national team ? Well the ones that've been fast-tracked into international cricket from PSL have mostly failed. Why ? It's one thing to deliver in a brief six week tournament against a bunch of has beens and journeymen, but once these PSL stars compete against better opponents at a higher standard of cricket they are exposed. See Shadab Khan, Faheem Ashraf, Hasan Ali, Asif Ali, Mohammed Nawaz and the list goes on.

Is this league even financially viable ? Last time I checked, the franchises made massive losses and are asking PCB for relief.

The only benefit of the PSL is that it helps return international cricket to Pakistan. Other than that, it's an annoying six week break from Pakistan cricket.

 

[Markhor]

PSL is just fun and entertainment. What I find annoying is how people will judge a player off a T20 performance. Another thing I don't like is PCB should be using the profits of the PSL to improve domestic cricket but they seem to pocket it for themselves. Franchise and the organizers of PSL have not done a good job in terms of the emerging player rule. For instance a player who was an emerging player last year and played a lot of games, can still be used as an emerging player for the following year.

What profits, the franchises are making huge losses.

 

[The Viper]

PSL should just be viewed as a fun event. Additionally, it allows some of these players to play in pressure environments, and this year with the PSL in Pakistan, there should be packed crowds to add further excitement. I do agree that sometimes players are picked on the basis of PSL performances, but i think that's an issue with the selection policy as a whole; nobody is forcing the selectors to pick players who have average domestic stats.

 

[MenInG]

Seems that people have a problem with Pakistanis being happy!

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

I am dreading the next month. And the reason is that when PSL is happening. Can't wait for every Tom, Dick, Mo and Henry to perform a hacky innings and for fans to start crying out for his selection in the team on the basis of "PSL performances".

Everyone is going to be caught in this spirit and I can't wait for all the knee jerk and reactionary posts

The best time in Pak cricket is the 10 weeks or so international calendar window for one tourney that's going to be upon us within a month or so and Pak players will get to enjoy their lassi's and parathas, right?

 

[AdamM97]

Doesn’t make it better when you realize that WT20I is happening this year. I think we can expect more ”experimentation” post-PSL and expect players like Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal to get more chances prior to the WT20I.

 

[Asifnow]

I think the PSL has allowed for immense viewership, sponsorship, financial gain and ultimately a major platform for many domestic cricketers. I do not find anything at all wrong with that, and let's be honest, most of you will be watching !

 

[CricketDon]

Not many things trigger me but this has.

Despite poor crowds and production value, I actually enjoy PSL and follow every SINGLE game.

I love the colours the superb bowling. Bowling is so good we see low scoring thrillers which I love.

I love the nail biting play offs. I love watching our domestic players go hard.

The crowds and atmosphere when games have been played in Pakistan has been amazing.

It’s just the grounds and production quality that needs to be improved.


Maybe dock misbah’s pay by 10% and we could invest in new grounds and high quality productions.

 

[Danyaalr01]

If a player is being picked from PSL into the national side, it should only be for t20 cricket. Also the performances must be consistent and no TTFs should be selected.

If that player does well in T20Is then he could be consisdered for ODIs. Test selection should be based purely on FC cricket.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think PSL is a wonderful way to introduce Pakistani domestic players to international level players. It is not perfect but PCB can always make it better.

Indian cricket has reached a new height after IPL was introduced. Pakistan can do the same with PSL.

Last but not the least, PSL can give Pakistani fans entertainment.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Bump!

Dreading PSL again. Time for the circus to start.

I am excited for the Zimbabwe test series in April..no meaningful cricket for 2 months is sad.

 

[Bigboii]

Its not the worst time but actually kinda goive us a breather from losing

but this is the problem
"Everyone is going to be caught in this spirit and I can't wait for all the knee jerk and reactionary posts"
really hate those PSL hacks...

 

[Zaz]

Not a fan of this tamasha called t20s N we are being overfed on it at all levels It doesnt develop quality cricketers

It might rake in the moola but its just not cricket

Give me another test series anyday over this circus

 

[Rana]

Spiciest PSL this year

So much drama. Can’t wait

 

[hitthestump]

PSL is an exercise in self-delusion so that fans can convince themselves that there is talent and the cupboard isn't bare.

It has all the properties of a party drug which provides temporary happiness until the next reality check.

 

[Rana]

This years PSL is going to be an exciting one for me because I genuinely can’t wait to see the broadcast on Sky Sports and the reach of the PSL during lockdown in UK. It’s the only other live cricket available besides the England series with India (not sure if the ODIs and T20s are on Sky)

 

[Buffet]

Lol, I've seen your views on IPL and I totally agree..IPL has brought clowns like Thakur, Pant, Pandya, etc. To India's team, mediocre and inconsistent players. When India has so much better, proper options in domestic cricket .

The clown seems to have done quite well. Pant has one ton in Aus, one ton in Eng, 97 in Sydney, and 89* in Brisbane. Brisbane knock was an ATG knock to give one the best series wins for any team.

Young players will be inconsistent, but Pant is averaging 45 in international cricket in 18 tests. It's early days for him, but we need to go easy on young players. Many gun players were not consistent from day one.

 

[Buffet]

T20 leagues are giving money to many players who can not get into the international side. Cricket will need money flowing if it has to flourish.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Lol, I've seen your views on IPL and I totally agree..IPL has brought clowns like Thakur, Pant, Pandya, etc. To India's team, mediocre and inconsistent players. When India has so much better, proper options in domestic cricket .

Same thing in Pakistan with the likes of Shadab, Faheem, Asif Ali, etc.

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This post didnt age well.

#Gabba

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Bump!

Dreading PSL again. Time for the circus to start.

I am excited for the Zimbabwe test series in April..no meaningful cricket for 2 months is sad.

Enjoy the psl for now mate.

Zimbabwe test series is an abomination. Whats there to look forward to it.

Those runs and wickets will be just as misleading as Psl anyways.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Enjoy the psl for now mate.

Zimbabwe test series is an abomination. Whats there to look forward to it.

Those runs and wickets will be just as misleading as Psl anyways.

Last time we toured we split the Test series. In Zimbabwe conditions we are not much better than them.

So what we have to look forward is either hitting a new rock bottom, or getting an overseas Test win.

 

[Darkrai]

Test cricket does its best to keep people away from cricket but fortunately, PSL is there to keep the excitement alive every year and bring in more fans and money.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Last time we toured we split the Test series. In Zimbabwe conditions we are not much better than them.

So what we have to look forward is either hitting a new rock bottom, or getting an overseas Test win.

Talk about an overreaction. How daft can Pakistani fans be.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Enjoy the psl for now mate.

Zimbabwe test series is an abomination. Whats there to look forward to it.

Those runs and wickets will be just as misleading as Psl anyways.

I just want to see new players debut in Tests and get a glimpse of then like Saud Shakeel, and I'm interested in seeing how Pakistan tackles it's issue of openers in tests.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

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This post didnt age well.

#Gabba

Yeah, it didn't age well. I was totally wrong.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Talk about an overreaction. How daft can Pakistani fans be.

Or is it? Its not like we played well against Zimbabwe in the ODI.

And i did say that Pakistan is better, just not that much in Zimbabwe conditions.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Spiciest PSL this year

So much drama. Can’t wait

Have to agree. Imagine Sarfaraz setting the field placing for Dale Steyn against Hafeez )) or Rizwan kicking Shan out of the playing XI by the third match Or Multan Sultans playing three leggies because they can’t choose between Tahir, Afridi, and Qadir. Or Fakhar finding form to regain his pace in the national team, against Islamabad United as all three roti gang members Hassan, Shadab, and Faheem try to get him out.

There’s so much drama with Amir having a point to prove, Shadab trying to establish himself as the premier leggie in the country in addition to all rounder, Imad trying to prove he can bat at 5/6 for the national team rather than these hacks like Khushdil Shah, a bunch of fixers at Karachi Kings circling in on Babar like hawks, Hassan Ali bowling against Zalmi, the team that developed and nurtured him into who he is today, and the eager anticipation to see how Hasnain and Naseem respond to Umar Gul’s yorker coaching.

With two T20I World Cups in two years and an ODI world cup in the third year, this is arguably the most influential PSL yet and possibly the most important PSL there will ever be, even if you’re not a T20 fan.

The performers here will likely get extended runs in the team and form the young core of our limited overs lineup for years to come.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Have to agree. Imagine Sarfaraz setting the field placing for Dale Steyn against Hafeez )) or Rizwan kicking Shan out of the playing XI by the third match Or Multan Sultans playing three leggies because they can’t choose between Tahir, Afridi, and Qadir. Or Fakhar finding form to regain his pace in the national team, against Islamabad United as all three roti gang members Hassan, Shadab, and Faheem try to get him out.

There’s so much drama with Amir having a point to prove, Shadab trying to establish himself as the premier leggie in the country in addition to all rounder, Imad trying to prove he can bat at 5/6 for the national team rather than these hacks like Khushdil Shah, a bunch of fixers at Karachi Kings circling in on Babar like hawks, Hassan Ali bowling against Zalmi, the team that developed and nurtured him into who he is today, and the eager anticipation to see how Hasnain and Naseem respond to Umar Gul’s yorker coaching.

With two T20I World Cups in two years and an ODI world cup in the third year, this is arguably the most influential PSL yet and possibly the most important PSL there will ever be, even if you’re not a T20 fan.

The performers here will likely get extended runs in the team and form the young core of our limited overs lineup for years to come.

I have missed something. Need more context on this..
I know Hassan, Shadab and Faheem like to hang out together based on their tik tok stuff.. but why are they after Fakhar and Rotti Gang.. where did this name came from.

 

[Indiafan]

Yes because India's discard players are still much better. But India's domestic performers like Iyer, Shaw, Gill were ignored for far too long.

Pant is head and shoulders above any Indian domestic keeper in domestic performances.

 

[Indiafan]

Test cricket does its best to keep people away from cricket but fortunately, PSL is there to keep the excitement alive every year and bring in more fans and money.

Such posts seem funny when test matches are breaking all time viewership records

 

[RyanRyan10]

Yes because India's discard players are still much better. But India's domestic performers like Iyer, Shaw, Gill were ignored for far too long.

You called Pant, Pandya and Thakur clowns and then here you talked about 3 players getting ignored, who are not even competing for a spot with Pant, Pandya and Thakur.

BTW, among the three only Pandya got opportunities because of IPL. Pant averaged 55 something in FC before his test debut. Thakur has been a top performer in FC while he tas had just one good IPL season in 2017.

 

[Darkrai]

Such posts seem funny when test matches are breaking all time viewership records

Which test matches broke records for Pakistan again?

 

[Caved12]

Have to agree. Imagine Sarfaraz setting the field placing for Dale Steyn against Hafeez )) or Rizwan kicking Shan out of the playing XI by the third match Or Multan Sultans playing three leggies because they can’t choose between Tahir, Afridi, and Qadir. Or Fakhar finding form to regain his pace in the national team, against Islamabad United as all three roti gang members Hassan, Shadab, and Faheem try to get him out.

There’s so much drama with Amir having a point to prove, Shadab trying to establish himself as the premier leggie in the country in addition to all rounder, Imad trying to prove he can bat at 5/6 for the national team rather than these hacks like Khushdil Shah, a bunch of fixers at Karachi Kings circling in on Babar like hawks, Hassan Ali bowling against Zalmi, the team that developed and nurtured him into who he is today, and the eager anticipation to see how Hasnain and Naseem respond to Umar Gul’s yorker coaching.

With two T20I World Cups in two years and an ODI world cup in the third year, this is arguably the most influential PSL yet and possibly the most important PSL there will ever be, even if you’re not a T20 fan.

The performers here will likely get extended runs in the team and form the young core of our limited overs lineup for years to come.

Or Rizwan hitting Imad for 6 sixes in an over

 

[Energy]

Sohaib Maqsood and Shaan Masood already laying bold claims for hacky picks of this year's PSL.

 

[pratiktc]

Lol, I've seen your views on IPL and I totally agree..IPL has brought clowns like Thakur, Pant, Pandya, etc. To India's team, mediocre and inconsistent players. When India has so much better, proper options in domestic cricket .


Same thing in Pakistan with the likes of Shadab, Faheem, Asif Ali, etc.

S

One year later this comment didn't age well. Leagues are definitely adding value to all teams

Thakur has 7wkts+50 in a Test win in Aus
Pandya is one the world best LOI allrounders
Pant has 2x 4th inns gem innings in Aus
Faheem has a 90 in NZ and a bunch of clutch rescue performances from no.7 in Tests

 

[Hasan123]

T20 leagues are about fun. You shouldn’t expect them to develop players. Even though PSL has a lot of old players there are still some good players involved.

 

[Ami]

Obviously, if players do well, they will be drafted. What is wrong with that?

If, they're any good, it will help Pakistan. What is wrong with that?

Whether they're "world class" or not. well thats another argument.

Clearly, going by evidence, Pakistan T20 side is a top 4 side, so the talent coming through will compliment that.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

T20 leagues are about fun. You shouldn’t expect them to develop players. Even though PSL has a lot of old players there are still some good players involved.

I disagree. Shadab, Hassan Ali, Faheem Ashraf, Mohammad Hasnain are all PSL products. Yes first class cricket comes first, but PSL isn’t just about fun — it offers a pressure environment to youngsters and we can see who has the mental strength to stand up in big games. Format doesn’t matter in that regard. It’s also important with 2 T20 WCs coming ip and them an ODI world cup where the best players from those T20 cups will likely form the core.

Btw PSL doesn’t have just “some” good players, we have a lot. The likes of Hales, Lynn, Vince, Dunk, Gayle, Rashid, Mujeeb, Tahir, Babar, Shaheen, Brathwaite, Miller, Hafeez, Steyn, Nabi, Abell are playing. I think that’s damn good.

Celebrate it.

 

[Hasan123]

I disagree. Shadab, Hassan Ali, Faheem Ashraf, Mohammad Hasnain are all PSL products. Yes first class cricket comes first, but PSL isn’t just about fun — it offers a pressure environment to youngsters and we can see who has the mental strength to stand up in big games. Format doesn’t matter in that regard. It’s also important with 2 T20 WCs coming ip and them an ODI world cup where the best players from those T20 cups will likely form the core.

Btw PSL doesn’t have just “some” good players, we have a lot. The likes of Hales, Lynn, Vince, Dunk, Gayle, Rashid, Mujeeb, Tahir, Babar, Shaheen, Brathwaite, Miller, Hafeez, Steyn, Nabi, Abell are playing. I think that’s damn good.

Celebrate it.

A T20 league for me is about fun and seeing certain partnerships and certain players face each other who normally wouldn’t. I understand players want to win as well. I don’t see a T20 league as a development process as the game is not long enough to develop talent. That is what first class cricket is for.

 

[Markhor]

Bump!

Dreading PSL again. Time for the circus to start.

I am excited for the Zimbabwe test series in April..no meaningful cricket for 2 months is sad.

Cannot stand this circus either. Haven't watched a live match since 2018 because it should be renamed to Parchi or Pensioners Super League. Selections are purely on friendships not on merit. Very few are actually representing their local regions.

The product placements are overbearing too. The only positive is it's helped return international cricket to Pakistan. It's not that I dislike T20 by the way, I prefer National T20 to this.

Anyway it makes for a nice 6 week detox from Pakistan cricket. I can check out IND-ENG and WI-SL in the meantime.

 

[Suleiman]

It’s a joke.

Especially when you had someone like Luke Ronchi in his 40s decimating tailunted bowling attacks )

 

[KoyoAli]

Lol love how a bunch of posters here are so detached from ground realities in Pakistan cricket, they talk in such a generic manner, "t20 is a circus, cricket is destroyed, jokers, low standard etc etc". Most of them either are not located in Pakistan or haven't had much human contact in a decade at least. Because PSL is the only time of the year that people in Pakistan are actually excited about cricket. Gone are the days of 2007 and 2011 when ppl used to folk together in front of shops to watch group games in the WC. These days most middle-class people are not interested in Pakistan cricket, many don't even know the names of active players.

Yet when PSL comes people are suddenly interested, interest is generated from the unlikeliest places. It's like a mini-festival, People look forward to it and enjoy it. If you think that is "tamasha" then tune out and don't watch. No need to chide others for watching it. Most of the ones calling PSL out don't watch Test cricket let alone Quaid-e-Azam trophy. Which was apparent from the interest in those threads.

 

[Kroll]

These days, the worst time is when Pakistan go on a sena tour, you literally have to hide behind a sofa. This is just a bit of madcap fun for the masses.

 

[Darkrai]

These days, the worst time is when Pakistan go on a sena tour, you literally have to hide behind a sofa. This is just a bit of madcap fun for the masses.

This.
Pakistan team does its best to make sure people stop watching cricket by getting humiliated in SENA countries, whitewashed by SL reserves, losing to BD, and struggling against Afghanistan and Zimbabwe, but thankfully PSL is there to keep the interest alive.

 

[Suleiman]

Lol love how a bunch of posters here are so detached from ground realities in Pakistan cricket, they talk in such a generic manner, "t20 is a circus, cricket is destroyed, jokers, low standard etc etc". Most of them either are not located in Pakistan or haven't had much human contact in a decade at least. Because PSL is the only time of the year that people in Pakistan are actually excited about cricket. Gone are the days of 2007 and 2011 when ppl used to folk together in front of shops to watch group games in the WC. These days most middle-class people are not interested in Pakistan cricket, many don't even know the names of active players.

Yet when PSL comes people are suddenly interested, interest is generated from the unlikeliest places. It's like a mini-festival, People look forward to it and enjoy it. If you think that is "tamasha" then tune out and don't watch. No need to chide others for watching it. Most of the ones calling PSL out don't watch Test cricket let alone Quaid-e-Azam trophy. Which was apparent from the interest in those threads.

That’s not really a good thing... if PSL is truly the only thing keeping people interested in cricket, then that has to do with PCB letting the quality of our international cricket decline so far that people have to seek entertainment in a bunch of retirees and domestic hacks playing low grade cricket.

It shows that the administrators of our cricket have to take things seriously to restore Pakistan’s standard as an international team. Nobody cares about Pakistan’s international performances (going by what you’re saying) because they suck vs the top teams... not because PSL is some prestigious tournament or something.

 

[KoyoAli]

That’s not really a good thing... if PSL is truly the only thing keeping people interested in cricket, then that has to do with PCB letting the quality of our international cricket decline so far that people have to seek entertainment in a bunch of retirees and domestic hacks playing low grade cricket.

It shows that the administrators of our cricket have to take things seriously to restore Pakistan’s standard as an international team. Nobody cares about Pakistan’s international performances (going by what you’re saying) because they suck vs the top teams... not because PSL is some prestigious tournament or something.

Again you are missing the entire point of the post. Like this is about how the thread targets PSL as something that is ruining Pakistan cricket when it's one of the few things keeping it afloat.

This discussion is not about what our international standards are so don't use that as an argument as it doesn't apply. I don't care about whether PSL is prestigious or not. It brings the stressed and poverty-trodden masses something to cheer about and this thread here just casually ignores that because "PSL performers are TTFs and bad for Pak cricket" as if Pakistan Cricket was prospering b4 the PSL. Pakistan cricket has been in a decline post 2011 and PSL has nothing to do with it.

 

[Suleiman]

Again you are missing the entire point of the post. Like this is about how the thread targets PSL as something that is ruining Pakistan cricket when it's one of the few things keeping it afloat.

This discussion is not about what our international standards are so don't use that as an argument as it doesn't apply. I don't care about whether PSL is prestigious or not. It brings the stressed and poverty-trodden masses something to cheer about and this thread here just casually ignores that because "PSL performers are TTFs and bad for Pak cricket" as if Pakistan Cricket was prospering b4 the PSL. Pakistan cricket has been in a decline post 2011 and PSL has nothing to do with it.

OP of the post is talking about how any random performing in PSL is raved about, ofc that has to do with international standard as well. Nobody is contesting this isn’t a festival for the common masses. Which it is, and good for them, truly. They have something to cheer for.

But as far as I’m aware, this is a cricket forum where most of the posters care about Pakistan the cricket team more than Quetta warriors or whatever. So for them to express their concern about PSL’s quality is a valid concern. I can have that perspective and still agree that yes, for the casual, this can still be a very festive cricketing event.

Bottom line is, you can appreciate the common man of Pakistan having something to watch, but still criticize the quality of cricket played in the PSL...

 

[KoyoAli]

OP of the post is talking about how any random performing in PSL is raved about, ofc that has to do with international standard as well. Nobody is contesting this isn’t a festival for the common masses. Which it is, and good for them, truly. They have something to cheer for.

But as far as I’m aware, this is a cricket forum where most of the posters care about Pakistan the cricket team more than Quetta warriors or whatever. So for them to express their concern about PSL’s quality is a valid concern. I can have that perspective and still agree that yes, for the casual, this can still be a very festive cricketing event.

Bottom line is, you can appreciate the common man of Pakistan having something to watch, but still criticize the quality of cricket played in the PSL...

Lol and what quality do we have without the PSL, most of the "cricket fans" here don't watch Domestic cricket, they don't even watch the highlights. They piggyback off other posters' thoughts and try to present them as their own. If you really want to discuss the repercussions of PSL on Pakistans Internationals cricketer then contest it with real points and arguments. The only thing I see is broken records slandering Shadab etc as failed products while not once giving a counter-argument as to what PSL-free PCT will offer.

As it stands your statement gives off an air of elitism, as if "common masses " don't know anything about cricket and the posters here know something others dont.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Lol and what quality do we have without the PSL, most of the "cricket fans" here don't watch Domestic cricket, they don't even watch the highlights. They piggyback off other posters' thoughts and try to present them as their own. If you really want to discuss the repercussions of PSL on Pakistans Internationals cricketer then contest it with real points and arguments. The only thing I see is broken records slandering Shadab etc as failed products while not once giving a counter-argument as to what PSL-free PCT will offer.

As it stands your statement gives off an air of elitism, as if "common masses " don't know anything about cricket and the posters here know something others dont.

Because you can take performances internationally seriously. If a player does good there you know they are quality. For PSL it means nothing.

If players don't have PSL they will not be overworked, and will have to time rest and gain fitness, and work on their skills - like batsmen would have to work with Yousuf at the NHPC.

PSL can have value only if we invest the money from it into first class cricket and not get carried away with the quality/ performers in it. It certainly can be a good money bag for future building.

And for the record, I watch plenty of rest cricket and first class.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Pant is head and shoulders above any Indian domestic keeper in domestic performances.

Yeah, I was proven wrong. Good for India.

 

[Suleiman]

Lol and what quality do we have without the PSL, most of the "cricket fans" here don't watch Domestic cricket, they don't even watch the highlights. They piggyback off other posters' thoughts and try to present them as their own. If you really want to discuss the repercussions of PSL on Pakistans Internationals cricketer then contest it with real points and arguments. The only thing I see is broken records slandering Shadab etc as failed products while not once giving a counter-argument as to what PSL-free PCT will offer.

As it stands your statement gives off an air of elitism, as if "common masses " don't know anything about cricket and the posters here know something others dont.

If you truly think PSL is of a good standard, then I’m not going to try and convince you otherwise. You have access to the same data as me and everyone else if you really want to see who is and who isn’t a failed product of the PSL. If despite that you are still satisfied, be my guest.

Nor did I say PSL is the sole cause of Pakistan’s decline. You’re projecting. (Or really a cause at all)

Every sport has casual fans and fans who are a bit more invested. Nothing elitist about it. It’s not a competition. MMA has exhibition type matches between two retirees. Maybe some casuals want to watch it, good for them. But not everyone is going to be hyped and raring to go watch two past it fighters duke it out.

 

[Titan24]

ThatÂ’s not really a good thing... if PSL is truly the only thing keeping people interested in cricket, then that has to do with PCB letting the quality of our international cricket decline so far that people have to seek entertainment in a bunch of retirees and domestic hacks playing low grade cricket.

While PSL is not the only thing which is keeping the cricket alive, it surely has revived the interest of people who were borderline fans and also tapped the untapped market of people who were never much into the sport. Reality is even IPL, BBL etc. attract more of the general public than majority of the international bilateral cricket.

Bilateral cricket series are watched by people who are fan of the sport while the T20 leagues bring in interest from people who might not be that much interested in cricket as a whole for the rest of the year especially when it comes to bilateral series. These leagues tap the untapped market of cricket and that is why they are the key source of income for every cricket board now a days.

So I dont think the success of any T20 league is due to the fault of any board in the way they treated international cricket rather the factors that are in play in T20 leagues itself which creates more interest among the non cricket fans and borderline cricket fans with T20 format, timings, gimmicks, overseas players playing with local ones in one tournament, city names, hype along with glitz, marketing and overall entertainment aspects alongside cricket.

 

[KoyoAli]

If you truly think PSL is of a good standard, then I’m not going to try and convince you otherwise. You have access to the same data as me and everyone else if you really want to see who is and who isn’t a failed product of the PSL. If despite that you are still satisfied, be my guest.

Nor did I say PSL is the sole cause of Pakistan’s decline. You’re projecting. (Or really a cause at all)

Every sport has casual fans and fans who are a bit more invested. Nothing elitist about it. It’s not a competition. MMA has exhibition type matches between two retirees. Maybe some casuals want to watch it, good for them. But not everyone is going to be hyped and raring to go watch two past it fighters duke it out.

At no point in this discussion have I commented on what PSL standard is whether good or bad. The point of this whole argument is the existence of this thread which is called "It's time for the worst time of the year for Pakistan cricket!" so I don't know how you can say that I am projecting when the OP of the thread is calling PSL the worst thing for Pakistan cricket.

So please don't try and put words in my mouth. PSL is a domestic league at the end of the day. I don't know what quality you are expecting. There are obvious areas of improvement when someone says "It's the worst thing in PCT and is better off not existing" then it's not a constructive discussion anymore. It's classic baiting.

And I dunno how on earth you came up with that MMA example since PSL draws the highest TV rating in Pakistan.