Jason Roy as a Test cricketer?

[Hasan123]

Talk in England right now is that Jason Roy could play in The Ashes. Nasser Hussain and Rob Key have said it is something that they would like to see.

I would also like to see him given a chance in tests. I think he has the ability and the temperament to be a good test player. He has confidence in his ability. He has improved the longer he has played international cricket. England don't have many other options. So they have nothing to lose.


What do you guys think?

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Although I too would be willing to try him given the current state of England Test openers, he doesn't have a sound technique to face swing bowling against the red duke ball and is weak against quality spin. Can be a risky option, but potentially a highly paying one given his current white ball form.

Playing XI for Ashes:

1) Jason Roy
2) Joe Denly
3) Jonny Bairstow(Wk)
4) Joe Root(C)
5) Ben Stokes
6) Jos Buttler
7) Moeen Ali
8) Sam Curran
9) Jofra Archer
10) Stuart Broad
11) James Anderson

 

[Hasan123]

Although I too would be willing to try him given the current state of England Test openers, he doesn't have a sound technique to face swing bowling against the red duke ball and is weak against quality spin. Can be a risky option, but potentially a highly paying one given his current white ball form.

Playing XI for Ashes:

1) Jason Roy
2) Joe Denly
3) Jonny Bairstow(Wk)
4) Joe Root(C)
5) Ben Stokes
6) Jos Buttler
7) Moeen Ali
8) Sam Curran
9) Jofra Archer
10) Stuart Broad
11) James Anderson

Bairstow wont bat at 3 if he is keeping. I think he will bat down the order. Roy will bat in the top 3 . Not sure about the openers yet as well.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Bairstow wont bat at 3 if he is keeping. I think he will bat down the order. Roy will bat in the top 3 . Not sure about the openers yet as well.

Jos Buttler can keep, Bairstow should bat at 3 if he is playing.

 

[Zaz]

There no chance he will be a successful test opener Hes just too loose

 

[Robert]

Roy
Vince
Bairstow
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes (w)
Moeen
Archer
Wood
Anderson

 

[sindhiboy]

Although I too would be willing to try him given the current state of England Test openers, he doesn't have a sound technique to face swing bowling against the red duke ball and is weak against quality spin. Can be a risky option, but potentially a highly paying one given his current white ball form.

Playing XI for Ashes:

1) Jason Roy
2) Joe Denly
3) Jonny Bairstow(Wk)
4) Joe Root(C)
5) Ben Stokes
6) Jos Buttler
7) Moeen Ali
8) Sam Curran
9) Jofra Archer
10) Stuart Broad
11) James Anderson

Dominic Sibley is scoring tons of runs he will most likely be in place of denly. Rory burns will not be dropped so quickly, but I do think Roy is deserving. Roy's debut is way overdue

I would also like to see Jamie porter or coad replace broad for once. These bowlers have good fc record and are being wasted of their years

 

[Captain caveman]

Want to ask [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] can jason roy handle a slip cordon?

 

[Markhor]

No. Roy pushes at the ball with hard hands which is asking for trouble against the Dukes ball.

Remember also they'll be using the same Dukes ball as last year with a thicker lacquer that made it swing prodigiously. So a compact technique is a must.

 

[shaz619]

I would like to give Roy a chance at some point but wouldn't throw him in at the deep end like a high profile Ashes series

 

[shaz619]

No. Roy pushes at the ball with hard hands which is asking for trouble against the Dukes ball.

Remember also they'll be using the same Dukes ball as last year with a thicker lacquer that made it swing prodigiously. So a compact technique is a must.

At the top it would be a bit risky, I wouldn't mind trying him down the order though and willing to give a chance at the top.

With the Ashes looming, Roy should be given a look in the NZ series this winter; am not too fussed about trying some new guys against the Kiwi's but right now the Ashes / big fish are more important.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Roy
Vince
Bairstow
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes (w)
Moeen
Archer
Wood
Anderson

Still nto conviced by vince. Mentally too weak.

 

[Mamoon]

He will do well and should open the innings. He has the confidence and the game to take on the Australian pacers.

Jennings will be a deer in a headlights. Rory Burns and Roy is the way forward for now.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Does he have the technique though?

 

[Hasan123]

Everyone talking about technique is the same old nonsense. He has shown in LO cricket that he can adapt his technique and his game to the situation. His self belief is amazing.

He deserves a chance.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

He is England's best bet.He definitely can score even in red ball.i hope they give him chance.

 

[Robert]

Still nto conviced by vince. Mentally too weak.

I've never known what that means. Do you mean lack of concentration? Or that he struggles to still the mental chatter?

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Everyone talking about technique is the same old nonsense. He has shown in LO cricket that he can adapt his technique and his game to the situation. His self belief is amazing.

He deserves a chance.

I am too advocating for him to play Test cricket, but what adaption is needed in this era of white ball cricket? Any technique can survive nowadays just by slogging.

Playing against the white kookaburra on belters is completely different to facing swing bowling on green wicket against the red duke ball.

 

[James]

I've never known what that means. Do you mean lack of concentration? Or that he struggles to still the mental chatter?

IMO a mentally weak player turns up when the match conditions are easy, and doesn’t perform in pressure situations.

 

[NavSheikh786]

Roy
Vince
Bairstow
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes (w)
Moeen
Archer
Wood
Anderson

Good 11

 

[KingKhanWC]

The great game of test cricket has fallen so badly if ‘batsmen ‘ like Roy are considered as openers .

Imagine this guy opening against the windies of the 80’s, you’d put more money on him ending up in hospital over hitting a six .

 

[Markhor]

Everyone talking about technique is the same old nonsense. He has shown in LO cricket that he can adapt his technique and his game to the situation. His self belief is amazing.

He deserves a chance.

What has batting against the nonswinging white Kookaburra have to do with facing the red Dukes ?

Even technically solid batsmen last summer were struggling against the Dukes so what chance does Roy have.

 

[Ab Fan]

Not convinced enough but given that there ain't much of option, he can be tried as well.

Burns
_____
Bairstow
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes(wkt)
Woakes/Curran

 

[Hasan123]

I am too advocating for him to play Test cricket, but what adaption is needed in this era of white ball cricket? Any technique can survive nowadays just by slogging.

Playing against the white kookaburra on belters is completely different to facing swing bowling on green wicket against the red duke ball.

He has shown that he can play spin. Seeing them off and the targeting other bowlers as well.

Lol The Ashes will be played in the hottest period of the English summers. Doubt we will get green pitches.

 

[Hasan123]

What has batting against the nonswinging white Kookaburra have to do with facing the red Dukes ?

Even technically solid batsmen last summer were struggling against the Dukes so what chance does Roy have.

Pitches may be different this summer.

Roy has the ability to score on difficult pitches imo.

 

[Markhor]

Pitches may be different this summer.

Roy has the ability to score on difficult pitches imo.

We saw the green mambas produced for Australia at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge in 2015.

England will use that template.

 

[Hasan123]

We saw the green mambas produced for Australia at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge in 2015.

England will use that template.

That was after producing that flat pitch at Lord's. They knew they couldn't compete on flat pitches against Australia. I think if we get a hot summer we will see more flat pitches.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

He has shown that he can play spin. Seeing them off and the targeting other bowlers as well.

Lol The Ashes will be played in the hottest period of the English summers. Doubt we will get green pitches.

Red Dukes will always swing in the initial overs and even if green wickets are not served, there can't be a Test series in England without a lively pitch.

 

[Sir-fraz]

I've never known what that means. Do you mean lack of concentration? Or that he struggles to still the mental chatter?

For him i think its a little of both, more concentration over mental chatter. He looks good for 30 runs and then some how gets out.

I dont think he knows what he wants to do after scoring those initial 30 runs. Lack of understanding his own game.

Reminds me of umar amin.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I've never known what that means. Do you mean lack of concentration? Or that he struggles to still the mental chatter?

Struggles when there is pressure. For example, he may not have foot movement or will not be still at the crease coz of the pressure but when there's no pressure he will have foot movement and will be still at the crease etc.

 

[Sir-fraz]

He will do well and should open the innings. He has the confidence and the game to take on the Australian pacers.

Jennings will be a deer in a headlights. Rory Burns and Roy is the way forward for now.

Is the ashes in aus? I dont think he will do that well in eng if its seaming or swinging. Also depends on how he adapts his game to test cricket.

If he can survive the first 10 overs he could do very well, buts thats a big if.

In aus i think he will do really well, just because of the bounce and how he follows through with his shots. That way even if he does edge it has a higher possibility of going over the slips and wicket keeper. In the intial 10 overs.

But this is all specualtion at the end of the day.

Havent been conviced by vince since day one. Reminds me of umar amin. Easy on the eyes thats it.

 

[Abdullah719]

Jason Roy’s Test future lies in batting down the order, says Trevor Bayliss

Trevor Bayliss is not known to be an Eric Morecambe fan but, when asked about England’s lineup for the third Ashes Test, the coach essentially claimed they are playing all the notes, just not necessarily in the right order.

“We think we’ve got the best seven batters available to us at the moment,” said Bayliss before training on Tuesday. “Whether we can change it round and make that any better I’m not sure but we’ll certainly have a discussion about it.”

Jason Roy looks set to continue as opener for one more Test and, to judge by his aggressive approach in the nets two days out from a match England cannot afford to lose, the right-hander is not going to die wondering. But with one half-century from six Test innings – and then from No 3 when Jack Leach performed his nightwatchman heroics against Ireland – there are growing concerns over his suitability against the new ball.

Bayliss appears to share these. “Personally I think he probably is suited to the middle order but we’ve selected him in the top of the order because of his form in the one-day team. It hasn’t worked yet but he can easily come out and blast a quick hundred. Long term he’s more middle order. He’d feel more comfortable there but he’s doing a job for the team at the moment.”

Roy is not yet fighting for his place, rather there appears to be a debate behind the scenes as to whether he and Joe Denly, at No 4, should swap positions. As such, it is not a stretch to conclude that this confusion is sub-optimal midway through an Ashes series.

The head scratching goes beyond this pair too. Joe Root volunteered to move to No 3 for this series despite a preference to bat one lower, while England are also trying to work out the best order for Ben Stokes, Jos Buttler and Jonny Bairstow.

Stokes and Buttler switched spots in the second innings at Lord’s, sharing a 90-run partnership that resulted in the former kicking on for his first Test century in nearly two years from No 5. Jonny Bairstow also made scores of 52 and 30 in the match from his preferred No 7 spot. Yet England are still thinking about shuffling this around again, with Stokes staying put and Buttler possibly moving down to play as a specialist batsman at No 7 again, the position he was originally handed on his return to the team last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/aug/20/jason-roy-future-batting-down-order-trevor-bayliss

 

[Markhor]

No. Roy pushes at the ball with hard hands which is asking for trouble against the Dukes ball.

Remember also they'll be using the same Dukes ball as last year with a thicker lacquer that made it swing prodigiously. So a compact technique is a must.

And it's gone according to script.

 

[sweep_shot]

Roy failed big time in Test.

I must say that I am slightly surprised. I was expecting him to do better in Test format.

 

[The Viper]

Roy playing as an opener was bound to fail. The conditions in England are tough for opening batsman. Roy does not have the technique to combat the new ball. England should have brought in Sibley as an opener. Then maybe try out Roy at 4. After all he plays in the middle order for Surrey.

 

[Junaids]

It is exactly what happened with Martin Guptill.

ODI cricket is played with a ball with no seam (it's smaller and it's machine-stitched), which barely swings and which has to be bowled straighter than in Tests due to the risk of conceding one-day wides if you bowl outside off-stump.

It means that men like Guptill and Roy - and more recently Jonny Bairstow - can thrive in ODI cricket by taking guard further outside the line and swinging their bat at every ball.

Guptill and Roy have never had the red ball skills to a) Leave the ball, and b) Play low bat-speed defensive shots.

It means that they try to play at Test deliveries that they should leave - which is precisely what the downfall of both of them has been in Test cricket.

There is a limited role for uncontrolled sloggers like Guptill or Roy in Test cricket, but only in teams which can't last 80 overs until the second new ball. It's why Shahid Afridi briefly got a second Test career around 2005-2006.

But to really succeed as a hitter down the order you need a better defence, like Adam Gilchrist, so that you can survive against the second new ball.

So I see no Test future for Jason Roy. And as much as I enjoyed this year's World Cup - and I actually did - I must confess that I see Jason Roy as proof that white ball cricket is a lower form of the game than red ball cricket.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Roys going to keep playing test cricket with such an open Technic then try him at 4 and open with Denly. If he continues to fail then use him in white ball cricket only.

 

[Sir-fraz]

roy was never gonna last opening in test cricket. i think we all knew this when he was selected, but were being optimistic.

and with the english openers just there to get out, doesn't matter where you play him in the line up he wont last.

 

[volcyz]

Hes been playing too defensive which is putting pressure onto himself.

He's like the new KL rahul who doesn't know when he should attack or defend.

 

[Manunited18]

Hes been playing too defensive which is putting pressure onto himself.

He's like the new KL rahul who doesn't know when he should attack or defend.

He plays to far in front of his body rather than under his eyes with hard hands, until he rectifies that then he will struggle as a opener

 

[MenInG]

Jason Roy averages just 9.80 in this series, one of the lowest by an opener in an Ashes series

 

[Markhor]

Entirely predictable.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Might as well get Boycott and Atherton out of retirement am sure they could do a better job.

 

[MenInG]

Jason Roy's lean Ashes series continued Friday with another low score to have former Australia captain Ricky Ponting convinced he is not up to the task of opening the batting in Test match cricket.

Roy fell for nine in England's disastrous first innings of 67, caught at first slip by David Warner after driving and edging a full delivery from paceman Josh Hazlewood.

Roy has been a dominant force opening the batting in England's World Cup-winning one-day side but has struggled to transfer that form into the five-day game since making his debut against Ireland last month.

In five Ashes innings to date, Roy has scored 49 runs at an average of 9.8, and after the latest failure Ponting says the right-hander is out of his depth.

"I honestly don't think he's a Test match opening batsman," Ponting said on Sky Sports when asked about Roy.

"I think he's a white-ball opening batsman and the shot we saw him get out to today is a shot of a white-ball opening batsman.

"Saying that, David Warner wasn't (a Test opener) either, but he's been able to build a really solid defensive game around all the shots that he had.

"So, the next progression for Jason is going to be put those shots away early on, work out a defensive game where he can get through the tough times and actually earn the right to bat when it's a little bit easier, when the ball is not brand new.

"But if he keeps playing that way in Test cricket, especially in these conditions here in England, he's going to have more failures than success, I think."

Former England captain Nasser Hussain says Roy is still in white-ball mode after today's reckless drive.

"I'm sorry, as an opener in England against the Dukes ball you have to play for your off stump and Jason Roy, if anything, had the mentality of 'I'm going to get some before you get me'," Hussain said on Sky Sports.

"If anything, he went even harder at the ball."

Michael Vaughan, England's 2005 Ashes-winning skipper, says modern batsmen who are required to hit good balls to all parts of the ground in white-ball cricket can often find it difficult re-learning how to defend or leave those same deliveries in the longer format.

But Vaughan says the likes of Roy must adapt and stick to the basics in Tests.

"(Roy) has got too many clubs in the bag. He needs to play pitch and putt," Vaughan said on BBC Radio.

In his five innings against Australia, Roy has been caught behind the wicket three times, caught and bowled from a leading edge to fast bowler Pat Cummins and was bowled after charging Nathan Lyon and missing an ugly slog in the second innings at Edgbaston.

It's his shaky form against Australia's high-octane new-ball pace attack has ultimately seen his position in the side come under fire.

While England coach Trevor Bayliss believes Roy is in the top seven batters available, he has previously said the Surrey product's best spot is in the middle order where he has played a majority of his first-class cricket.

Hussain says Roy's position in the order could lead to friction between England's selection panel and the captain and coach.

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"England's coach Trevor Bayliss, he himself said 'I think Jason is more suited to the middle order'," Hussain said.

"So there is a clash building between the selectors and the coach and probably Joe Root himself.

"Joe Root at No.3 must be getting a little bit annoyed at strolling out after a couple of overs every time with your opener flashing outside off stump."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/jas...headingley-not-a-test-match-opener/2019-08-24

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Looking like Sehwag out there.

 

[andy0204]

Looking like Sehwag out there.

Sehwag scored centuries in England and South Africa and had an average of 49 in test,seems like Multan innings you haven't forgotten.

 

[saeed5646]

I would go that far and say fakhar zaman looks more convincing in test than roy .

Should select more test format player like Rj burn and leach .These limited over bulley won't succeed in test

 

[Hasan123]

Looking like Sehwag out there.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is he still giving you Sehwag vibes?

 

[Saj]

Modern-day thinking from selectors - good in other formats, so can play Test cricket. Absolute rubbish thinking.

 

[Robert]

Modern-day thinking from selectors - good in other formats, so can play Test cricket. Absolute rubbish thinking.

I don’t see why it is rubbish. All the physical skills are the same. It just involves a different mental approach.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Someone made the point that he has opened twice in county over the last 4 years. His usual position for Surrey is No.4. England being one of the toughest places in the world to open, you can't expect your ODI opener who does not have the necessary technique for blunting the new ball to suddenly turn a corner. I mean just look at how Warner is doing. This was a bad experiment and unsurprisingly it has failed badly. Only problem is that England may have lost the Ashes now.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is he still giving you Sehwag vibes?

Yes. I think a big hundred is on the cards soon. He has the talent and the confidence to adjust. People need to be patient with him - it is going to take time for him to instill the discipline in his game that is required to succeed in Test cricket.

With Roy, it is all about the mental approach. He has already proved that he has the capability of scoring against the best bowlers in the world, and that is a bigger hurdle to clear.

I hope the England selectors will have enough patience not to drop him at this point. Maybe moving him to #4 for a while and then promoting him again could be the right thing to do.

 

[Mamoon]

On a side note, some people are keen to see him fail because it reaffirms their believe that aggressive, free-flowing players cannot adjust to Test cricket.

It is comforting for them, because if they do, their belief that Test cricket is the toughest format is challenged. Every attacking player has to go through this.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

may score some runs on dead flat wickets but with even a slight movement or spin, he will always be a sitting duck ... test, odi , T20 ... almost everywhere

 

[Saj]

I don’t see why it is rubbish. All the physical skills are the same. It just involves a different mental approach.

Involves better technique, patience and a totally different mindset.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

On a side note, some people are keen to see him fail because it reaffirms their believe that aggressive, free-flowing players cannot adjust to Test cricket.

It is comforting for them, because if they do, their belief that Test cricket is the toughest format is challenged. Every attacking player has to go through this.

Not true. Aggressive, free flowing test cricket does work but only few can pull it off and only where the conditions are easy for batting atleast in the first innings - India/Australia etc. It is very difficult to pull it off in England because of the seamer friendly conditions and the dark, red Dukes which was specifically made to suit the strengths of England's seam attack.

 

[Mueez]

If England want to win this match, it will depend on Roy.

Come on Roy show what you can.

 

[Hasan123]

Yes. I think a big hundred is on the cards soon. He has the talent and the confidence to adjust. People need to be patient with him - it is going to take time for him to instill the discipline in his game that is required to succeed in Test cricket.

With Roy, it is all about the mental approach. He has already proved that he has the capability of scoring against the best bowlers in the world, and that is a bigger hurdle to clear.

I hope the England selectors will have enough patience not to drop him at this point. Maybe moving him to #4 for a while and then promoting him again could be the right thing to do.

I understand where you are coming from but he does not give me Sehwag vibes. But I would like to see him given a bit more time.

He has a lot of work to do.

 

[Junaids]

I don’t see why it is rubbish. All the physical skills are the same. It just involves a different mental approach.

I don’t think the skills are the same.

Opening in Tests is not about shots, it’s about leaving every ball that would miss off-stump.

Jason Roy doesn’t know where his off-stump is. Usually he gets out playing unnecessary shots outside off-stump, and today he was too far over to leg and missed a straight ball and got bowled.

He just hasn’t got the skills to be a Test batsman, I’m afraid.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jason Roy's scores so far in The Ashes:<br><br>10, 28, 0, 2, 9 and 8<br><br>Total runs 57<br>Average 9.50<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvAus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EngvAus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1165247669322866689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

I understand where you are coming from but he does not give me Sehwag vibes. But I would like to see him given a bit more time.

He has a lot of work to do.

Roy's true worth in a Test squad on the show here.

 

[MenInG]

Struggling England Test opener Jason Roy‘s career batting average dipped to a 8.85 with his dismissal for eight to Australia‘s pace spearhead Pat Cummins on day three of the third Ashes Test, and with it came an outburst of anguish that could signal the end of the Surrey batsman’s run in red-ball cricket this season.

Roy was bowled by a ripper of a delivery from Cummins, the No 1 ranked bowler in Test cricket, to lower his average as Test opener to 8.85 runs per dismissal. Only one opener has opened as many times as Roy has (seven) for a poorer average, and that is New Zealand’s Ken Rutherford who averaged 4.60 from ten attempts.

After he was bowled by Cummins, Roy cursed in anger and this was picked up by one of the host broadcaster’s TV cameras. Roy was seen screaming ‘f*** off’ as he walked off the pitch at Headingley on Saturday.

During the semi-finals of the 2019 Cricket World Cup, Roy had been fined for dissent at an umpire’s call when he was incorrectly given out for 85.

After Roy was dismissed by Cummins, on air the former Australia captain Ian Chappellcommented: “If you’ve ever seen a batsman totally off balance and completely beaten (it’s here). He (Roy) is out of his depth. Not only is he out of his depth opening the batting, but he’s out of his depth at Test level.”

Roy, 29, was called up to England’s Test squad for the four-day match against Ireland at Lord’s last month having scored 443 runs at an average of 63.28 and strike-rate of 115.36 during the team’s historic World Cup run. He made 5 and 72 in England’s win over Ireland, and was included in the home team’s squad for the Ashes.

Since then, Roy has tallied 57 runs in six innings against Australia.

He was one of the England batsman whom Geoffrey Boycott criticised after the hosts were bowled out for 67 in their first innings.

“I don’t care how many runs he makes in the second innings. If he plays another Test as an opener, then someone wants his brains tested,” wrote Boycott in the Daily Telegraph.

Before a ball was bowled in the Ashes, Australia pace bowler Josh Hazlewood had cast aspersions on Roy’s ability against the moving red ball in Tests.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...t-batting-average-heads-toward-new-low-884093

 

[James]

Before he has been getting himself out by not doing his job properly as an opener, but ironically he was showing a lot more application yesterday until he got a pearler from Cummins. So for once he got a bit unlucky there.

Although I don’t think he should open, he may have a Test future as a middle-order batsman.

 

[the Great Khan]

It shows how odi cricket is simply a one sided game where players with poor techniques can score..the white ball itself is a disgrace of a ball..doesn't move or do anything..allows poor players like Roy to prosper

As for the sehwag comparison..sehwag could tuk tuk if he needed to and had an OK defence..but get that ball moving and he was a duck like Roy too. .

Roy will hit big on phatta Asian tracks and his fans will drool..

 

[James]

Sehwag has a good career average because he played most of his cricket on roads in the subcontinent.

He was famously awful in South Africa, England and New Zealand when the ball could move around.

 

[andy0204]

Sehwag has a good career average because he played most of his cricket on roads in the subcontinent.

He was famously awful in South Africa, England and New Zealand when the ball could move around.

I already told in this forum,sehwag scored a century in England in his first series as an opener facing Matthew Hoggard and he scored a century a century against south Africa in South Africa in his debut,
You are talking about the roads in the subcontinent it's called rank turners and Australians called doctor pitching as well and sehwag was the best batsman when he faces spinners on ball is turning fair and square,he smashed warne,murali,saqlain.

 

[MenInG]

Less than two months after backing Jason Roy to open the England batting during the Ashes, former England wicket-keeper Alec Stewart has made a U-turn on his stance on the struggling top-order batsman.

Roy was a unanimous choice to open the batting in whites, following a spectacular ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2019, where his 443 runs at an average of 63.28 and strike-rate of 115.36 had a direct, positive impact on England’s campaign.

However, the 29-year-old has struggled to replicate that form against the swinging red ball, aggregating 57 runs after six Ashes outings. But while he still seems to figure into England’s red-ball plans, a move down the order may be in store, and Stewart backed that change.

"I think we all agree that Jason shouldn’t open," Stewart told Sky Sports. "We all said, 'look he’s had a great World Cup, therefore can we get him in the Test match set-up?'

"We said he’d make mistakes, so if he opens, let’s not go too hard on him if he plays attacking, rash shots because we know that’s going to happen. But once Joe Root said he would go to (number) three, my take was Denly would go up top and Jason Roy would come in at four or five. That, to me, was the sensible way of doing it, but they didn’t.”

Stewart pondered the options in front of England. Swapping Roy for Denly in the order has been suggested by some, but Denly has hardly been successful in his current position, at No.4, which makes it a problematic solution. Apart from his second-innings fifty at Headingley, Denly has had some starts but not done anything substantial thus far.

Stewart also suggested names such as Dominic Sibley and Zak Crawley. Sibley, the 23-year-old Surrey-born batsman, has topped Warwickshire’s run charts in Division One of the County Championship, racking up 949 runs for the season at 55.82, including a first-class best of 244. Crawley has likewise been in solid form for Kent, making 716 runs at 37.68.

"So now are they going to flip Denly and Roy?" Stewart asked. "Then you look at Denly. He got stuck in, but he’s also being tested now up top – shoulder to head – and he hasn’t played that particularly well. So if you suddenly say Roy’s not going to play, do you put Denly up and Jason pops down or do you keep Denly where he is, leave Jason out and bring in a Dominic Sibley or a Zak Crawley?

"Dominic Sibley has earned the right through weight of runs in county cricket, but again, you’re going into the unknown because these boys don’t see enough short, fast bowling in county cricket."

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[Manunited18]

Like I've stated before, unless Roy stops playing to much in front of his body with heavy hands then he's a walking wicket in tests, this isn't a glorified slog with limitations to the bowlers lol

 

[Manunited18]

It shows how odi cricket is simply a one sided game where players with poor techniques can score..the white ball itself is a disgrace of a ball..doesn't move or do anything..allows poor players like Roy to prosper

As for the sehwag comparison..sehwag could tuk tuk if he needed to and had an OK defence..but get that ball moving and he was a duck like Roy too. .

Roy will hit big on phatta Asian tracks and his fans will drool..

Yep completely agree

 

[Hasan123]

People say his technique is bad. His issue that he is playing balls that he shouldn’t be. That’s not a technical issue. If he can resolve that I see him having a successful test career. If he can get past the new ball, he could be lethal.

Knowing when to leave and play the ball is more of a mental issue than technical.

 

[MenInG]

England hoping against hope that he will come good

 

[Mean&Green]

It shows how odi cricket is simply a one sided game where players with poor techniques can score..the white ball itself is a disgrace of a ball..doesn't move or do anything..allows poor players like Roy to prosper

As for the sehwag comparison..sehwag could tuk tuk if he needed to and had an OK defence..but get that ball moving and he was a duck like Roy too. .

Roy will hit big on phatta Asian tracks and his fans will drool..

That’s all batsmen in this day and age even kohli and Sharma can’t play the moving ball and they are the best players in the one day game. That’s how cricket is now though and that’s what people enjoy sixes and fours flat pitches. Jason Roy brings something special to the game anyone would pay to watch him bat in Odis.

 

[saeed5646]

Dropping easy catches while batting remains pathetic. England team management/selectors are not learning their lesson from roy burns success who is proper test cricketer and have decent record in county and now proving his talent against aus .

Roy and butler need to be shown door from test format both are terrible and shouldn't be picked for test matches

 

[Manunited18]

People say his technique is bad. His issue that he is playing balls that he shouldn’t be. That’s not a technical issue. If he can resolve that I see him having a successful test career. If he can get past the new ball, he could be lethal.

Knowing when to leave and play the ball is more of a mental issue than technical.

Actually if you watch it it is a technical issue, he's playing to much in front of his body, he's searching for it, in England against quality quicks you have to play right under your eyes meaning not extending your arms searching for it

 

[Hasan123]

That’s all batsmen in this day and age even kohli and Sharma can’t play the moving ball and they are the best players in the one day game. That’s how cricket is now though and that’s what people enjoy sixes and fours flat pitches. Jason Roy brings something special to the game anyone would pay to watch him bat in Odis.

You must be new to cricket. Go and watch the England vs India series last year where no other batter other than Kohli could get bat on ball which were described as the most difficult English conditions in a while.

 

[Hasan123]

Actually if you watch it it is a technical issue, he's playing to much in front of his body, he's searching for it, in England against quality quicks you have to play right under your eyes meaning not extending your arms searching for it

His confidence has gone now. Hence your seeing these errors. Doesn't seem to have worked out. Was always a gamble that was worth a go.

He won't be playing vs South Africa in the winter.

 

[Boi]

The guy is a hack and is clearly out of his depth in Test cricket. Has always struggled with the ball nipping back in so surprises with how he’s been getting out.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

That’s all batsmen in this day and age even kohli and Sharma can’t play the moving ball and they are the best players in the one day game. That’s how cricket is now though and that’s what people enjoy sixes and fours flat pitches. Jason Roy brings something special to the game anyone would pay to watch him bat in Odis.

How come it seems that Pakistan batsmen are pretty good against the moving ball? Babar and Haris play swing very good

 

[SLcric123]

England and South African conditions are harder, so having players with tight defense is a must.

Roy would have done well having played for an Australian or any Asian side.

 

[Manunited18]

His confidence has gone now. Hence your seeing these errors. Doesn't seem to have worked out. Was always a gamble that was worth a go.

He won't be playing vs South Africa in the winter.

Hes always had this issue of hard hands and playing away from the body, against a gun attack he ain't getting away with it, so is buttler